Two barbers discuss chasing likes versus authenticity on social media, the booming barber scene in Canada with events like Roosevelt/Ruzel shows in Saskatoon, and how smartphones are eroding real interaction. They share grooming tips and the "done-over-perfect" approach to content across YouTube, Instagram, and podcasts.
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Yeah, and we're live.
Should I get rid of these glasses?
Yes, please. So, brother, you're busting out the music again, eh? Yeah, I'm loving it.
Oh man, it's going so well.
But I'm loving all the old shit. Like, I know, it reminds me of like back in the day when you were popping that shit out. I loved it.
I'm gonna keep, uh, keep reminding of the old stuff because like, again, It's fully new for people, you know?
Oh, absolutely. It's kind of like you gave yourself a revival, right? Right. Major.
That's why I called this song "Back for the First Time." That's awesome.
Hey, what a change of path, eh? Oh man. I remember when you started that and where you were going with it. Just funny how life takes you where it's supposed to go.
It's unreal.
Right? It feels so right right now. We can't plan out our futures. You know, we can give ourselves direction, but we can't do it more than that.
We could also work really hard and just like let it take you wherever it's gonna go. But just keep working hard, be nice to people.
Oh dude, that's all, you know, like, you know, it's so funny, like, uh, the effect social media has on people. Like, I, I'm— we've had this conversation last time. I'm not I'm not that social media guy, right? And I know the importance of it, and I know, like, you know, it's great for exposure and to get yourself, like, you know, visible and whatever. But the approach of people— the approach of people's— I don't know, like, the meaning to get on social media— I'm really getting fed up with it, man. The problem is I'm really getting fed up with the way way people approach it. Like, you want to approach it because you're passionate about something, great. Yeah. But the, the hypocrisy— oh my God. And I don't know about in every industry, but in my industry alone, dude, I'm like—
so the major problem right now is that, again, everybody, everybody's creating content. Doesn't matter if you're—
but that's okay. Yeah, yeah. But it's great.
But the issue is the reason why people are creating the content.
Exactly.
The reason why people are creating the content is to see the likes, to see the comments.
Yeah.
Which is false because it's controlled. It's controlled by A, money, B, algorithms, C, just like it's not, it's not realistic, you know?
Right.
So I was actually having this talk with my cousins the other day. I was like, I honestly, I don't look at a single number. Of value. Like, when I post something, I post something. And like, yeah, obviously when I log back into Instagram, I see the numbers, but I don't let that quantify what I'm doing at all. No, because it's just about the importance of the content. If the content is good, if you like it, it's the 100%.
Like, I— like, maybe I'm, I'm a dinosaur when it comes to this stuff, but I don't— I definitely don't post stuff because I feel like, oh, this is something that someone would like to see. It's something I enjoy. Yeah, it's something maybe I found funny, something I found stupid, something I found interesting, whatever it is.
It's a little— it's a little bit twofold though, because if it— granted, it should just be for you, but at the end of the day, social media is just exponential word of mouth for your business.
That's exactly what it is.
The most important crucial thing you could be doing for your business is putting out what kind of person you are. So when you put stuff out about your kids, and granted, like, your business page doesn't see that, but a lot of people follow you, you know. So when you talk about your personal life, when you talk about what you're eating, when you talk about where you're going, like, oddly enough, those are the things that could maybe affect business more than like a promotional video about your company.
Absolutely. You know, absolutely.
Mind you, the video that you put out like a month ago or something with Ruzel.
Okay, so that was— so, um, I work for Ruzel Canada. Yeah. Okay. And we were— we now started doing— we were always, uh, doing shows where we're invited by our distributors.
Okay.
So now, because barbering is like in so much high demand, like even hair salons are looking ways to like better their male clientele or better service.
Yeah, because guys are caring more and more about, first of all, the way they look, and second of all, the experience.
But at the same time, for the longest time, men didn't have the choices they have today, right? Like, look, dude, you see it in the last 5 years. The amount of barber shops that opened up.
Oh, it's crazy.
Time a dozen, right? Yeah. So the thing is, now men have options, whereas before they were kind of forced. If you wanted a good haircut type thing, you either went to like an old school barber shop where they had those 2, 3 cuts that they would do with all the old Italian men or Greek men. Yeah, that was it. Now they're—
or you went to like a salon.
So in the salon, you always were a filler, right? You would be fit between clients. And it was like they never put any time or care into men. And now with all this options, guys are seeing, I don't have to go to a hair salon, I could go to a barber shop. So now, now hair salons are starting to feel like, hey, we're losing a big portion of our business, so we gotta up our game. So we've been getting a lot of like interest from hair salons to learn, you know, traditional barbering. Yeah. So what we decided to do with Roosevelt now, Roosevelt Canada, is create our own shows, right? So, so now we do like these barber events where we go into a town. Like, we were in Saskatoon. That was the video was for when we were in Saskatoon. Yeah.
So we had 200 people, barbers and hairdressers from all over, but no, like, no, like clients?
No.
Okay. No, it was all, uh, it's all like internal.
Yeah. Okay. Professionals. Yeah. And that was what They were like, well, if you could put a video together of what you're about, you know, like just who you are. And I honestly, that was like a buddy of ours that comes to the salon and he does this. So I'm like, yeah, if you could put together something. And I didn't even know where to go with it.
He just started asking me questions.
Yeah. And you know, like I just flow, like I speak from the heart. Yeah. It's what I feel. But yeah, it came out actually, I was, I didn't know where I was gonna go with this video, but actually I enjoyed it myself. But yeah, that's the kind of stuff that like it gives people a little bit of insight to what I'm about, I guess. Yeah, you know what?
Well, exactly.
See, the thing with social media is I, I like, I like truth. To me, I really, really—
man, but the, the only thing that's gonna continue to cut through is truth because since Everyone's doing it. It puts us in a world where there are people who are sincere about it, and there are people who are just doing it to try and make money, and there are people who are just doing it to try and show a different persona, and like they're faking things. Yeah, and the sincerity is the only thing that's gonna break through.
Okay, so that's where I was going with this. Okay, so this guy, this guy Johnny Baba from the UK.
He owns a mug too. What?
Trademark. Is it?
Is it a mug if it's that small? No, it's an espresso cup. Espresso cup?
Yeah.
Like it's not an espresso mug?
Not at all.
Like a mug is a mug shot, right?
Yeah. It's not an espresso cup shot, right? It's not a cup shot.
Line up, please. Need your cup shot.
We're going to be taking your cup shot now. Carry on.
Your cup shot.
Maybe for a little criminal. A little criminal gets a cup shot. Yeah, anyways, I was saying this one guy, so he was a barber in Ireland, then one of his good clients said, you know, you need to expand this, so they started doing like a bigger form. But this guy's real. He's in his late 40s or mid-40s, and he's real. He's been in the industry for a long time.
You saw where my eyes are going.
He's been in the industry a long time and he's building an empire.
Okay.
Okay. And that's what he calls it. He calls it the Baba Empire. Cool. So, uh, what I like about his post is— okay, so in the barbering—
oh, I think I saw you just— I reposted him.
Yeah, because the barber industry right now is like, you get a lot of these barbers and they're like riding the coattails of other barbers and they're trying to get into like, you know, the more high-profile barbers and work with these barbers.
Yeah.
And all their posts are like, me and my friend, me and my friend, you know, my brother, my this and my that. I gotta be honest with you, I have a lot of people that I know in this industry. Yeah. And do I consider them friends? To some extent, yes, but we're acquaintances. Yeah. More than anything. My friends are the people that were there at my wedding and the birth of my children. Yeah. You know what I mean? I broke bread with. Yeah. Those are friends. Yeah. You know, like that I call up and depend And nothing that gains—
nothing. Acquaintances, absolutely.
Yeah, yeah, 100% for sure. But let's not blur the vision of what it is and what— you know what I mean? Yeah. And, and post all this stuff like about how great it is. So what this guy did was exactly that. He's like, you know, uh, well, you read it.
Yeah, it was, uh, if you treat your business like a business, it'll pay you like a business. If you treat your business like a hobby, it'll pay— it'll pay like a hobby.
You'll pay for it like a hog.
Right, right, right.
Yeah, yeah. And, and, and that's what— and his hashtags are the best. Like, these hashtags are just like brilliant. Yeah. But that's what I feel it's come to. It's like, let's look, I love what I do, don't get me wrong. And at the end— but at the end of the day, like, what I, what I posted was, my bills don't get paid by hugs and kisses.
Yeah, no, for sure.
Like, we're all in it for the same reason.
100%. It's great to get But on that note, if you're not saying that, then you're not truly being sincere, you know what I mean?
You know, like, to me it's like, I don't know, I just look at it in a way where, look, I love the people that I've met in this industry from the traveling, from the education, from all the like shows or what have you. At the end of the day, like, yeah man, it's great to know them and all, but I don't feel like it's—
at the end of the day, it's a business.
It's a business, you know, like, and We can't lose sight of the reality of that.
I mean, look, I even experience it in the world of entertainment, you know?
And oh yeah, how many best friends do you have right now because you're on the radio?
It's so wild. But, and it's funny to me because—
right, it, it— but it's life.
It's like the way it is, which is— yeah, like, it's okay, you know? It comes with the territory, right? But absolutely. But also, like, you know, being someone that has, you know, sometimes reached out to people as well. And for me, I was never one to question like when somebody gets back to me or if like, for example, if I was to reach out to somebody who's like all the way up here, you know, and I lowered it for a reason.
Yeah, just for now.
So if I, Like if I reach out to someone who's like up here, you know?
Yeah.
And they didn't answer back or they gave me like an answer that's like, you know, like, I can't help you. Yeah. I always appreciate the process. I always understand that like, okay, it just means that I'm not there yet. You know, like I don't get sour and salty where people are like, I don't understand why this person doesn't give me a chance or give me a shout out or whatever. Like they're There's a process. When I interviewed Casey Neistat, he said like, man, like sometimes people win and sometimes people lose, you know, because he was talking about how on YouTube now you have to have minimum 1,000 subscribers to start monetizing on YouTube.
Oh really? Yeah. How does that work?
Monetizing?
Yeah.
Just basically you like click to monetize on your content, and if you get views, you know, people are seeing ads, so people who are like, you know, putting the ads there are paying out money that goes to the content creator. You know, cool. Yeah, so if you make a certain amount of views on a video, you could get paid a certain amount. But again, you have to have 1,000 subscribers to be able to monetize, you know. So he was saying, yes, but he was saying, he's like, you know, because people were asking him like, how do we join your team? You You know, he's like, you don't. You just straight up don't. Like, that's not how it works. It works because I worked my ass off. I figured out, you know, how to win, and now I won.
And like, that's the thing, I work my ass off. Yeah, freaking job. Oh man, it's a job. And it's like, if anyone tells you social media is so like social for the, the fun kind, there's nothing social about it, dude. It's a business. It's a tougher This is the me cutting hair because I got to remember that every time I do someone's hair, I should take a picture of it and I should make it realistic and I got to put hashtags. And not only that, I need to take an appointment between appointments just to do this.
Just like this video alone that we're doing, right? So now it has to— if we want to do this properly, right?
Right.
It has to live on YouTube. I have to export the audio for a podcast. I have to put it on Instagram TV now. I have to make a 1-minute cut for an Instagram post.
I have to make a commercial.
Yeah, I have to make a 15-second cut for an Instagram story.
And then people have to find this interesting.
I have to make a Facebook, a different format for Facebook. Like, there's a million different ways where I have to expose it. It's exhausting. It's exhausting. And honestly, like, I believe that that's a part of the issue with why, you know, like really good content creators are sometimes struggling to put stuff out because they're just like, look, even with the music now, man, it's like I don't even have one concentrated avenue in which I'm like, oh, go check out my YouTube video. I can't because if I, if I try to send people to just the YouTube video, they won't go. But if I have that same video on Facebook book, then they'll watch it.
Okay, but now tell me something. Yeah, if it's on YouTube and it's on Facebook, yeah, can they— if like, how does views work? If they view it on YouTube, it's viewed on YouTube.
Yeah, but they use it on Facebook, it's, you know, yeah, but the two don't coincide.
No. So you don't even know, like, no, you're wrong.
Exactly. And that brings me back to don't worry about the numbers, worry about the quality of the content, because the numbers don't matter.
They're fake.
Yeah, the numbers are fake. Yeah, you know, and that even like now that I've been on Virgin for about almost a year and I've been like working my ass off to just put myself in front of people and I'm messaging people non-stop on Instagram and on Facebook and like trying to just like say like, you know, this is who I am. This is what I do. Hope you would like like to follow along because it's cool, you know. So now that I've been doing—
well, you want like-minded people. It's—
that's what you want to hit. It's not, not so much for me. It doesn't necessarily matter that I'm hitting like-minded people because I'm not really trying to network. I'm more trying to build a following and build a fan base. So they don't necessarily have to be like-minded.
Well, they have to like what you're doing.
Yeah, but like-minded would mean like I'm trying trying to, you know, network with other radio hosts. That's not what I meant, you know. Like, so yeah, I'm finding people that would like what I'm doing, right, you know. And so in doing that, again, like, the numbers don't matter because the amount of things that I even consume on a regular basis, but I don't like anything on Facebook or Instagram. I send people messages if I like something.
Oh really?
But publicly, I don't like anything. Now, okay, what's my reasoning? Yeah, so it's not something that I would recommend to like an up-and-coming business or a business trying to maintain or whatever, but for me, because my business is my— is me personally.
Yeah, it's a personal— yeah, you're You're your brand.
Yeah, so if I show up somewhere and let's say like somebody's trying to get in touch with me and then they see that I like something on Facebook, oh yeah, you know, and then they're trying to get in touch with me and they're like, well, what the hell, man? Yeah, you're posting, you like this. Yeah, exactly. It's crazy, but it's so true. And like, I've been in that situation and I don't like it. So what I do is if I like something on Instagram or on Facebook or whatever, I'll send people a message and I'll say like, yo, this is really awesome, congrats, proud of you, whatever, like that kind of vibe, you know.
It's so crazy.
Yeah. I had a buddy of mine and it actually, it probably limits my growth a little bit because a lot of the way in which someone would grow on Instagram is by like publicly liking stuff and commenting and whatever. But it's just, it's, you know, you have to draw lines in the sand for sure, you know.
So I have a buddy of mine who like, we're in our 40s, yeah, myself and my friends, right? So these are a few guys that just recently got on They just recently got on Instagram and they're like, hey bro, follow me. Okay, so yeah. Oh, can you follow my friend so and so?
Oh wow, that's a big move.
I do. Yeah, yeah. Then I start noticing nonsense. Yeah, you know, like just things that like, it's just interrupting my scroll, right?
Yeah.
So I'm like, the hell with this, I delete.
Uh, got a call from my friend, you deleted my buddy? Really?
I'm like, yeah. I'm like, uh, oh yeah, I was just, I don't know. A million times a day. It's ridiculous. Too much stuff, like, you know, how do you know that? This guy starts looking at who unfollows and follows, and it's like this, like, stupid matrix of games. Time for this. That's why 3 kids and a busy— get out of here. Unfollow. So stupid, man. But I'm telling you, it is what it is, man. That's just the life that we are living Yeah, today, and you want to play the game, you gotta play by the rules.
100%. I believe that at some point, whether it's in 5 years or whatever, there will be some form of regression. And, and first of all, I'm on, I'm on the board, the board of directors at St. George's High School where I went to high school. And now they're bringing up, and like schools everywhere are bringing it up. My wife even was at a big conference where they're talking about it. Like, the gravity of the issue with kids and smartphones is ridiculous. It's a full-blown addiction. Oh, 100%. Oh, like full-blown addiction.
I could definitely see that.
Same exact thing as cigarettes, same exact thing as drugs, same exact thing as gambling, all that, and there's no regulation.
I've heard, and again, this could be whatever nonsense news I'm reading on Facebook or something, but like kids committing suicide based on likes.
It's, man, it's like, if that's true, this is the craziest fact. Kids, teenagers are trying alcohol, drugs, and sex less. Okay, that's a good thing.
Well, yeah, yeah, but that's That's like, that's driving daughters off of sex and drugs. Put them on the phone.
No, but like, just the fact of that, like, because kids are going out less, they're experimenting less, they're trying less things. And it's even worse, what it's doing is making them feel lonely always. Even if they're with their friends, they still feel lonely.
Perfect example, my wife and I don't get many date nights. Right, we do, you know, try to go somewhere nice downtown, a nice restaurant. Yeah, went to this nice trendy restaurant though in Old Montreal. We're sitting there, the two of us, at the table next to us, four girls, must have been 19, 20. I'm not kidding, didn't look up not once. All four of them were on their phones. Yeah, all four of them on their phones, completely involved in what's going on in their phone. And every once in a while, like, oh my Oh my God, did you see? Laugh quick, food comes, picture, post this stuff. Not one of them did they look at each other. Yeah, but they were texting each other.
And not only that, but like, they're together with people but not together, but they feel alone. For sure you're alone because you know what's happening. Instead of looking around the table and being like, oh man, like, all my friends are here, this is amazing, we're having a great time, what they're doing is they're looking at their last Instagram post and seeing that they got 10 less likes than the last picture and they're like, oh my God, what, what am I doing wrong that people don't like me? That's literally what's happening.
And see, to me, I'm of that generation that I'm with my friends. Yeah, I'm enjoying my friends, you know, not that we're not taking pictures and horsing around, for sure. I'm not posting it.
It's, it's also—
I don't feel the need to. I don't even remember.
It's, it's also a different— it's different the way we interact with one another, right? So like, yeah, for example, question for you. You're how old?
44.
Yeah, but how many jokes do you know?
A lot.
You know a lot of jokes?
I know a lot of jokes. I am quite the jokester. I don't know if you know.
No, but like actual jokes.
Yes, I know a lot of jokes.
Yeah? You know how many I know? Zero.
Yeah. Yeah.
Zero. Because you know what my jokes are now? It's, yo, you gotta check this out.
That's your joke? Go to the joke? Yeah, direct them to a joke.
You gotta see this video, you gotta see this meme, you gotta see what Joe did.
Yeah, no, I know a lot of like, like, you know, it's funny that you say that because I find out when I do, when I do, let's say, barber shows on stage, I like to throw jokes. Sure, because it's fun.
Yeah, of course.
But all the young ones in the crowd— I say young again, I'm 44.
Yeah, yeah.
Most people people in my industry are coming up in their early 20s, right?
Sure.
No one ever throws back a joke. So I remember being in groups 10, 15 years ago, it was just—
you were sitting around, you're just sitting around like, oh, I got a joke.
I'm in groups with 23, 24, I'm the only one, I got a joke.
Yeah, it's honestly—
that's anything else to add to it?
Like, telling jokes is like a dying language. Yiddish, you know, like Yiddish is a dying language.
Yeah, you're right, man.
It's a dying language. Oh, you working this beard right now?
I'm working the beard. I'm working the beard. Oh wow, you want to call it a beard? It's cool. I'm working this, bro.
This is work.
I'm afraid to cut too much. I'm like, I'm just like, okay, and we're done. Yeah. Oh wow.
How's it looking right now?
You look like Jake. You look like a wannabe Jake. I love it.
But look how strong that mustache is, bro.
Oh, it's tight. The mustache is tight. We might want to zoom it in, like, to get like— there we go. So would this be considered— see, because I'm a meat eater, right?
Yeah.
So is this like a a carnivorous beer? Carnivorous beard? I would be a vegan beard.
Yeah, yeah, I guess so, right? Yo, fun fact, today is exactly a year that you're vegan. Vegan, yeah.
And dude, you never looked or felt better.
Yeah, I know, it's great.
Even energy-wise, eh?
100%. I need to start working— I need to start— no, yeah, I need to start working out again though.
Oh, you stopped it?
It's just been like my schedule has been insane lately. I needed to like find a time again to like just work out.
You know what they say about working out, eh? It's got to be— it's not finding the time, it's got to be part of your schedule.
Yeah, I know, I know.
Like, like waking up and brushing your teeth, right?
You need to find something fun because like for me, I was really enjoying when I was doing like those— like they were, I guess, like cross training, workouts.
What time does your wife wake up?
7.
7. What time does she leave the house? 8:30.
I take her.
You take her? Yeah. Like, what I need to do is morning sex.
Well, yeah, yeah, that's, that's workout.
Morning sex, after work sex, and right before bed sex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You do that 3 times a day, bro?
Yes.
You look like me.
That's it. Yeah, then I'm gonna be popping out kids left, right, and center.
Yeah, that's the downfall. Yeah.
Okay, so actually, while you're like finishing this up and while we're wrapping up Broken Word Volume 4, I know, I'm going to, uh, film a little bit of a music video. So you just keep doing your thing.
Boom, that's it.
That's how it's done.
I love you, bro. What are you doing? Well, like we were saying, it takes dedication.
Yeah.
And it takes consistency, right?
Yeah. And that's, that's all I'm trying to prove with the next round of music. So all my music videos are as basic as possible. It's all stuff that's like, literally, I just posted up this camera right here and this is a scene in the music video and I'm in it. Yeah, you're in it. Yeah, you're in it. But, uh, that's, that's literally the whole— my whole mission statement behind the new music is just done, done over perfection.
That's over perfection.
Yeah, you know what I mean? Just get it done. Yeah, don't worry if it's perfect, perfect, because it's never gonna be. Also, I put a freaking music video out, it's there for like a day, and then boom, it's gone.
Really? Well, just in terms of like how things move so quickly, how people post it so quickly.
Like, it's just nonstop.
You look like your brother Jake right now. No, really, like the hair back and all.
Right, right.
It's looking good. You're like a— It's good looking, boy. Yeah, you're like a slimmer version. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, shots fired. Shots fired.
He's actually looking pretty good right now.
He really is. I like that he's also like went more with the suits now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He changed his outfit. Yeah, dude. Like, he's come a long way though, boy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, big time. I love him from the velour Jordan suits, you know.
You know, but he's one of the few people I've ever met in my life that could rock the shit he rocks.
Oh man, like his glasses, his golden meter. Unapologetically himself.
He's so good, you know. He is so good for that. You want to go high shine, mid shine, no shine?
I go low shine. Could I throw on the glasses, take a look at what's going on over here?
Yeah, go ahead, bro.
Yo, so something I noticed in your video is that— now I need help.
Okay, this is what I'm doing, all this. Yeah, I'm gonna just like this.
Yeah, yeah, because, because my issue is, and you said it in your video, I need to know how to just do this.
Okay, you saw what I did?
Well, not really, I was making a video.
This is the problem is with your generation. Yeah, we're never, we're never in it. Ruzo grooming tonic, always as a foundation. Okay, really important. Okay, it's gonna help actually just—
but what is that? That's— I put that like after a shower.
Yeah, so when your hair is wet, towel dry it. Yeah, put that in and that acts like your base. Yeah, and then you have a blow dryer. Yeah, do this.
Snap.
Yeah, not, not on strong heat. Heat, okay? Medium heat, like full force, okay? And just keep bringing it back. Your hair, you have to understand, your hair grows this way.
Yeah.
So when I dry it, I don't bring it back because if I bring it back, I'll go always in the opposite direction of where it's going.
See, because what ends up happening with me is like I end up like having some that go this way and then I have like a few curls here that go that way. So always go that way, okay?
First start in the direction that it doesn't want to go. Yeah, get that going. All this you could dry with your hand.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, and then this side over here, you bring it back. This, you go back, straight back. Okay, because you don't want a perfect— no, you know what I mean? I'd rather having like that natural wave to it.
But for, man, for me, my hair even gets curly, like super curly.
That's going to help. Yeah, yeah, the grooming tonic 100% will help. Okay. Yeah, and then I just top coat it. Like, so now I'll use the Luso Fiber. Hey, and you saw how much I put. Work it into my hands. I top coat it more than anything. Okay, use my fingers as— Yeah, yeah. Oh baby. So when you do that, the— basically the grooming tonic acts like the foundation. It gives the hair the support and the hold that it needs. Yeah, right. It's gonna break up the curl that you have naturally, just keep that natural wave in it, right?
And then by using this to get it in there, just let it just stay.
That's it.
Is there like a shampoo or something or that I should be using?
What are you using now?
Honestly, a lot of the time time I'm not even shampooing.
Okay, well, you should—
is that a move?
Yeah, it's a total move. Okay, it's a boss move. You shouldn't be washing your hair too often. Okay, like maybe once, twice a week.
Yeah, that's what I do, like after, like, I work out or something.
Plenty.
Yeah, uh, as far as shampoo, okay, so it doesn't matter.
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter.
It does matter to some extent.
I wouldn't use anything like a herbal essence that has a lot of silicone base, so it's going to just really talk Yeah, it gives a nice shine, but it actually causes—
so for me, honestly, like, I was actually wondering, is there something like, uh, that like I could use as a shampoo that like I come out and dry my hair and it's like thick enough that it just like works, you know? But I guess that's gonna be the, uh—
no, no shampoo. No shampoo is a basic cleanser, right? Shampoo is technically made to cleanse the scalp more than anything, right? Right. It's not really supposed to clean the hair. It actually— it, it's almost a detergent to the hair. So it's kind of like when women do color, and the more they shampoo, the color fades, right? Because it's, it's a detergent. It's actually cleansing, you know, it's removing color from hair, stripping hair. So I wouldn't do that. I would just use it, just a nice simple soft shampoo. I'll hook you up today.
Okay, sick.
All right, that's not about it.
The best, the best. Yeah, the broken word volume 4. And also look at this beard. Well, it's tight, right?
It's tight.
Like, so I keep this going?
I let it go, bro. I like it actually, right? I like it.
So what do I need to do though?
With your beard? Yeah. Uh, Rizzle Fiber. Oh no, it's not beard balm. It's a beard balm.
Yeah, I actually have enough beard.
Well, you know what, it's not about the beard balm. It's really to control whiskers, just these like flyaways. Okay, you know what I mean? And it gives it something nice and soft so that your wife won't complain.
Oh yes. Oh my God.
All right, I got a beer. I got a beer.
