EP 558: Apple cooked on AI? Apple's Siri failure and the end of its AI innovation

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Is Apple cooked when it comes to generative AI? Well, a recent article that just came out from Bloomberg is reporting that Apple is actually reaching out to its clients closest competitors to essentially do the job they couldn't do in providing a smarter AI powered Siri assistant. So yeah, I think they are. So I'm going to be breaking down on today's show what was in that report from Bloomberg, how Apple went from AI power to laughing stock and why. I think this is the beginning of the end for Apple in terms of the generative AI. All right, hope you're ready for some spicy hot takes on hot Takes Tuesday. I'm ready. Let's get into it. What's going on, y'? All? If you're new here, welcome. This is Everyday AI. My name is Jordan Wilson and I'm the host. And this thing, it's your daily live stream, podcast and free daily newsletter helping everyday business leaders like you and me not just learn what's happening in AI, but how we can leverage it to grow our companies and our careers. 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I want to hear from you all. All right, what's your hot take? Am I completely wrong here? Or if you're, you know, gonna be reading today's newsletter reply, let me know. But I do want to feature my favorite hot take from our live stream audience in today's daily newsletter. So if you want your hot take heard by thousands of people around the world, just go ahead and drop in the live stream comments. I'm gonna pick my favorite hot take, but you know. So this is all starting from this report from Mark Gurman. And Mark Gurman is a well respected tech journalist at Bloomberg. He's essentially the Apple whisperer. So he has a stellar track record on just about everything, but specifically Apple, that is the main thing that he covers. And his report that just came out a few hours ago is saying that Apple is considering using AI technology from Anthrop or OpenAI to Power Siri, sidelining its own in house models in a potentially blockbuster move aim at turning around its AI efforts. Yeah, pretty telling there if your move to turn around your AI effort is to stop using your own AI. So here's what we're going to go over during the rest of today's show. We're going to talk a little bit about some of the internal development disasters that force this dramatic strategic pivot, if you want to call it that. I like to say this is more of a admitting that you failed and you can't keep up. So we'll see how Apple's stock responds. I would expect it to kind of go down over the next couple of days, but hey, I'm not a financial analyst, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once. How Apple went from AI pioneer to industry laggard in a few years and why Amazon's successful Amazon partnership, or sorry Amazon successful Alexa partnership with Anthropic could even reveal the new industry playbook. So let's just go straight to hot take y'. All. Apple has reportedly spent millions with an s millions of dollars a day trying to build their own generative AI systems in large language models. And they've failed to produce literally anything meaningful unless by meaningful, you know, combining two different gen emojis using Apple's AI is meaningful to you. Aside from multiple class action lawsuits, Apple has not produced a single useful thing. Class action lawsuits aren't useful. It was just a joke there. But it's so bad. It is so bad. Apple's AI efforts are so bad they actually put out what I said was marketing disguised as research, saying that large language models essentially stink, right? And that these new reasoning models that Apple has been unable to develop internally, well, they're not actually that good, right? So yeah, if you actually want that hot take from a couple of weeks ago, go listen to episode 543 which is Apple's weaponized research Insides its illusion of thinking paper. Yeah, literally, things have gotten so bad at Apple that they are putting out pretty bad research that immediately got debunked by the scientific AI community. That's how bad it was. And this new smarter AI Siri that has been kicked down the road for multiple years according to last year's Apple WWDC. So WWDC 2024, we were supposed to already have this new AI Smart Siri. And the latest reports that came out a few weeks ago were saying that it could get pushed back until 2027. So we don't have an updated timeline yet. Or if this potential partnership with either OpenAI or Anthropic means that that date might get pushed up. But y', all, Apple was so bold a year and a half ago at WWDC 2024, right, their big yearly conference, they tried to rebrand artificial intelligence and call it Apple Intelligence. The audacity, right? They promised all of these amazing things. And the headliner, honestly, was this new smarter, more intuitive Siri. Because if any of you are using Apple devices on a day to day basis, like myself, you know, Siri does nothing. If I'm being honest, I would have more confidence in the original Eliza chatbot from the 1950s to respond to most of my queries than I would for Siri. I think I use Siri to get the weather Sometimes it works. Most of the times it doesn't even work. So this was supposed to be Apple's AI redemption story, this new smarter Siri. It was supposed to, you know, put everyone at ease. It was supposed to, you know, appease the analysts and, and reassure, you know, investors in the ch. In the. The board at Apple. But instead we got another catastrophic failure from what was once the most prominent and powerful and innovative company in the world, of which it is no longer any of those three. And I'd say one of the main reasons why Apple is no longer considered the most innovative, powerful company in the world is because of its lack of actual measure, measurable Progress on Generative AI. Generative AI, I.e. the economy, that is the, the, the next leap in, in world power. Let's be honest, there's a reason that there's a legit arms race between the. Because whoever kind of controls or creates the next most powerful, you know, AI model, whether that's, you know, AGI, artificial general intelligence or something else, they become the world power that is in an unfair advantage over everyone else. Apple is nowhere to be heard of in this conversation. Right. Some of its biggest competitors, Google and Microsoft, they're still in that conversation of being some of the world's most innovative companies. Apple. Not anymore. Again, unless you think gen emojis. Yeah, like I keep bringing this up because Apple really at their WWDC this year where they took a quote unquote gap year off of AI literally one of their biggest announcements on the generative AI front was hey, instead of creating one emoji with AI inside, you know, imessage or whatever, you can combine multiple gen mojis. Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. Apple is so innovative. That is a laughing stock. I am embarrassed if, right. I'm embarrassed that I've been an Apple user for so long and I don't know how many iPhones and in Macs I, I, I, I have and I've owned over the years. I'm embarrassed to have, you know, I guess supported a company so loyally for so long. And me obviously being a generative AI fan and practitioner and analyst consultant, all of those things I, I don't think we will ever see, at least not in my time, a company fall from grace so quickly as Apple has, as demonstrated by this. So let's talk a little bit more about what they're actually trying to do according to this report. So the Bloomberg reports that Apple is in talks with both Anthropic and OpenAI to essentially take over their Siri development because Apple can't figure it out. Just like how when they kind of rolled out their certain aspects of their smarter Siri 1.0 essentially it kicks most queries to ChatGPT. It's like, yeah, you're gonna have to use Chat GPT for that, right? So this potential deal would sideline Apple's own in house AI models completely. So it's not like they would according to reports, be using a hybrid like they're kind of using now. Right? Right now their own on device AI is handling some Siri queries, but most of them are just getting kicked to ChatGPT. So this was essentially a stall tactic of more than a year with this OpenAI partnership where you know, essentially we still have the Same dumb non AI Siri and it just kicks most requests to ChatGPT, but it can't take advantage right now of any of the information on your phone. You can't ask it, you know, hey, you know what did this person text me? You know, what's in my email, right? It's funny actually. Perplexity rolled out an iOS assistant that is better than Siri. Right? And one thing that Apple kind of did to their credit, but I guess was also tipping their hat at where they were going is they opened up their on device or their edge AI, their small language model to third party developers. Which I guess was another nod at saying yeah, we really can't figure this all out internally. So let's open up the reigns. After a year of keeping this in house and allowing third, third party developers to use essentially the, the AI that is on Apple's iPhones, right. So the AI capabilities, right, so they have small language models but for a year they didn't open that up to anyone else. So this is just the latest kind of departure from Apple's legendary vertical integration strategy. It's not even there, right? This is not the Apple that most of us have known over the past, you know, decade or so. So let's dig in a little bit more on what Apple's kind of desperation, you know, kind of the desperation level internally at Apple. According to this report from Bloomberg. So Mark Gurman revealed that Apple is requesting custom AI models from competitors. So they're like, yeah, can you just kind of make this for us? It's not like they're like, hey, we're just going to use this model you already have and we're going to go ahead and you know, fine tune it or you know, work on it our ourselves. They're like, no, can you just like make us something for us? Right, which obviously Apple would do any company that size. But it's, it's, it's telling, right, that they're not even able to just, you know, work with one of the current models. Anthropic's Claude has emerged as a leading candidate after some internal testing, but there are some pricing disputes. More on that here in a minute. And Apple has demanded that models run on their infrastructure to, to preserve their privacy narrative. So one thing Apple has gotten right over the years is putting privacy first. And when it comes to AI that is obviously of an utmost concern is you know, what happens with all of my personal data that may be living on my iPhone. So you know, this could be another thing that causes even more delays. So like I said, the LLM Siri or sometimes people say the AI Siri or Siri 2.0. Right. This project was originally supposed to be out, but it has already gotten pushed back to 2027 and it could even get kicked obviously more times. It's already gotten pushed back I believe more than a half dozen times. And CEO Apple CEO Tim Cook. Anyone notice my, my, my clever naming of this episode that Wasn't AI, that was me. Yeah, Apple is cooked on generative AI. But CEO Tim Cook removed AI chief John Gianardi. Giannardria. I don't know, I probably got that right a couple of months ago in March. And Apple's own models reported performed their own models reported performance was 20% worse than the aging competitor technology. So not even compared to, you know, state of the art technology. So right now, here's what's happened. Apple promised a smarter AI powered Siri. They couldn't deliver. What was delivered was a bunch of class action lawsuits because Apple advertised this, right? They said hey, buy the new iPhone and here's this, here's a look at this smarter Siri. They literally had commercials and it just didn't exist. So they're right now the butt of any AI or innovation joke. So users are mocking this dumb Siri or the Apple quote unquote Apple intelligence that it can't really do anything. And class action lawsuits are going to I think continue to be piling up for false advertising promises. And their AI features are being described by many as half baked toys by reviewers. And I, if I'm being honest, I think that's giving a little too much credit to things that are half baked because there's things that are half baked that are fantastic. Half baked pancakes, low key, really good, right? So even calling it half baked toy I think might be giving Apple and Siri a little bit too much credit. So here's where it gets interesting. So it seemed like according to the report, if you're reading between the lines and we're going to be sharing that report in today's newsletter if you do want to read it. So it seemed like Anthropic was kind of a preferred vendor for this maybe over OpenAI, which I found interesting. But again that was me inferring and reading a little bit between the lines. And again this is according to unnamed sources, but again this Bloomberg reporter is stellar in his reporting but it says that Apple is facing unprecedented costs for external dependency on their core feature and the financial pressures right now are forcing parallel backup negotiations with OpenAI. Because right now it seems like Anthropic and Apple are kind of might not be able to come to a in agreement on pricing because right now Anthropic is reportedly saying that this would require a multi billion dollar yearly investment from Apple and it would go up exponentially year over year. So you know, reportedly Anthropic is like yo, this is going to cost you many, many billions of dollars. And it's going to get very expensive. Apple reportedly didn't like that. So they're also talking with OpenAI, so we'll see what actually happens here. And it also is worth noting that Anthropic does have a similar kind of deal with Amazon Alexa. Obviously Amazon is a huge investor in Anthropic, so that one makes sense a little bit more in terms of, okay, that's an obvious partner or an obvious vendor to take over. But you know, Amazon kind of came to that realization as well and they're like, yeah, we're going to use Anthropic to power their new Alexa plus service, which it's slowly rolling out. I think the latest report said that there were a million people who received access to this so far out of. I believe they have hundreds of millions of Alexa users worldwide. So it's only a very, very small portion, but it can be done. But will it be done? Because when you think about the demands that Apple is reportedly making, right, in terms of making sure that this works on Apple's private servers, again, I'm not an AI engineer, but I do presume that would be fairly difficult to do. And I would guess that's probably one of the reasons that Apple hasn't been able to accomplish this internally. That and they're really not investing in their AI teams. Right. You've seen, you know, yesterday we talked on the, you know, weekly AI News that Matters segment just how much money Meta is investing by building their new superintelligence lab, I believe it was called the MSL Meta Super Intelligence Labs, led by former CEO of Scale AI Alexander Wang. And they just have a bunch of former OpenAI researchers, former Apple researchers, former Google DeepMind researchers, like Meta is saying, hey, we're not competing at the level that we want to in generative AI with large language models. We're going to go spend billions of dollars. Yeah, there was a, I believe it was a 14 billion dollar acquisition or you know, Aqua Hire essentially for 49 equity and scale AI. Yet companies like Apple that are literally Scrooge McDucking sitting on piles of cash, right? Literally sitting on piles of cash and they can't invest like they're not investing in AI talent like the other AI labs are. So it's no surprise to me that Apple has failed internally to build a team. And it wouldn't surprise me if Apple even isn't able to negotiate a deal because guess what? Now analysts are going to get wind of this, obviously that it's been out now for about a half day in Bloomberg So far, so we'll see how the market reacts. But what this does create is it creates pressure on Apple now to finalize a deal that, number one, they're comfortable with, but makes sense fiscally and I don't know, right? If we're saying that Anthropic is asking for multi billion dollar annual partnership that is going to hockey stick year after year, it doesn't seem like they're at a point where they still might be able to hit that, you know, 2027 deadline, right? Imagine if we get another two years. Imagine if we get to 2028 and Apple still has like, hardly no, you know, generative AI in their devices, right? Or if they're like, now you can create, you know, Genmoji movies, right? No, no one wants that, right? We want for Apple users, you want a smart Siri and you want a powerful edge AI device that actually runs AI, right? Not just has the capabilities to do it. So Apple has already demonstrated that they can't do it on their own. This is an epic failure. So how the heck do we get there? How, how did Apple go from again, the world's most powerful, profitable, most valuable company to now just on the downslide, right? And the, there's probably a reason why a lot of the top AI talent in the world doesn't want to work for Apple again. Look at, look at their laughing stock, you know, AI research paper that they put out a couple of weeks ago. Any serious AI researcher reads that and it's just like, yeah, it's, it's like, it's, it's, it's a face palm, right? No one can take Apple seriously when it comes to AI, which is problematic in many, in many regards. Number one, it's problematic because their consumer facing products are going to clearly lag behind and they're going to have to just hire a competitor or open up it to third party developers and hopefully third party developers will just be able to create great apps that can take advantage of these capabilities. But number two, think about the long run, right? If the future of innovation is AI, which I strongly believe it is, and if you're listening to this podcast or live stream, you probably are under that realization as well. This does not bode well for Apple's future if you cannot. Are you still running in circles trying to figure out how to actually grow your business with AI? Maybe your company has been tinkering with large language models for a year or more, but can't really get traction to find ROI on Genai. Hey, this is Jordan Wilson. Host of this very podcast. 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That is a sure signal of a company that is going to slide for years to come unless they do something drastic, right? Something like even more drastic than what Meta has done over the past month or so by spending, you know, tens of billions of dollars on acquisitions and spending reportedly hundred million dollar plus annual salaries for individual researchers, which I don't see Apple doing. Apple's no longer aggressive. They're a dinosaur when it comes to innovation. And this is essentially, you know, there's a lot of reasons but I think there's also internally there's this legendary now in a bad way, secrecy in Apple, right? There would be entire departments that would exist for years that other senior leadership in Apple would have no clue about. That doesn't work anymore, right? You can't be working in secret silos anymore because your AI needs to be ingrained in your company's DNA and that Apple perfectionism prevents iterative improvements approach that AI models require, right? AI models are not perfect. They need to be constantly updated, improved. That is not in Apple's DNA. And we've already seen two or three years of essentially broken promises as rivals race ahead. Speaking of rivals, let's talk about Google. They did it, right? They, they went off to a pretty shaky start. If you remember back to their December 2023 unveiling of their Bard large language model. Didn't go very well. They recovered. Now I'd say without a doubt they are the hottest AI name in the world since probably December of 2024. So the last six or seven months, I don't think most people would argue that Google has been number one in the AI space. Or at least in that one A1B with OpenAI and they successfully integrated their Edge AI across the Android ecosystem. So they proved it could be done with some highly capable small language models. The Gemma family of models from Google that runs their different AI smartphones are absolutely amazing. And also Meta is poaching, also Apple's talent, whatever was left. Right. So there's not a lot that I think Apple can do to recover because all they've done is shiny marketing that's led to class action lawsuits and research papers that have been widely debunked and ridiculed in the AI research community. There's no longer innovation at Apple, which is what they have been historically known for. So here's the hot take this partnership if it, if this turns out to happen, right? So this could actually be, these talks could be happening right now and obviously Apple could pivot again if they can't work something out with Anthropic or OpenAI and they still might be able to figure this out internally, you know, by 2027, which is laugh, right? But I don't think so. I think this is the beginning of the end for Apple being an innovator in the most important technology. Because the most important technology in the world right now is in smartphones. They're not AirPods. It is generative AI. And this is the first time that Apple has gone through a major outsourcing of a core intelligence technology in the company's history. Yeah, they partnered with other people, they've acquired other companies and brought them under the Apple umbrella. But this is the first time that Apple has done gone through essentially a core piece of technology for their company, that they're outsourcing it. Right. If this does, if these reports are kind of come to fruition and this is a public admission that their Apple's famous vertical integration strategy is failing. Apple is failing. And this is I think creating a long term dependency on external AI providers that accompany the size of Apple should not have. Speaking of the size of Apple, I talked about this a couple of weeks ago, but when you look at, before generative AI, right. So when you look at. And for our live stream audience, I have a little screenshot on my screen here before the, the generative AI boom, right? So if you go back like five years, Apple was crushing everyone in terms of market cap, right? So that's the most valuable company in the world. Apple was the most valuable company in the world with a $2.2 $13 trillion market cap. Microsoft was fairly far behind with a $1.6 trillion market cap. Fast forward to today. Apple is third, right? And their competitors, some of their closest competitors like Microsoft and Alphabet Slash Google, they've grown at a much faster rate than Apple has. And I think one of the main reasons is because of every other company's investments and results in outputs in generative AI. Right? When you look at the the other most valuable companies in the world today, Nvidia, Microsoft, Apple number three, four Amazon, five Google and six Meta. Guess what? The other five companies aside from Apple have created measurable, invaluable generative AI output in house, right? Nvidia with their GPUs, they power the AI revolution. Microsoft with its co pilot technology, Amazon in a lot of different ways even just aside from AWS and providing infrastructure but they have their own set of nova models in in their bedrock platform that I think has been very popular. Like I Alphabet Google with Gemini 2.5 Pro is the best model in the world at least right now and it's not necessarily close. And then Meta, even though I'd say their llama 4 underperformed, they've invested more in the past week in their future AI than I think just about any company has over the course of like a two year span. What Meta has done over the past few weeks is unprecedented. It yet you have Apple reportedly not really doing anything aside from trying to cast shade on the entire large language model ecosystem with some not good research and hiring their competitors to do the AI for them. The future of work, just the future of our lives is generative AI. In the same way that you know, you could say right now most of our lives revolve around or are dependent on the Internet or maybe social media for bad reasons, right? The same is going to be true and is already proving to be true for generative AI. The future of work, the future of our personal lives is ingrained in and around generative AI. And Apple has signaled I think with this that they are absolutely cooked. And I would not be surprised, and I said this on a previous show, someone go ahead and bookmark it. I will say in three or four years I do think that two of the three companies there, Amazon, Google and Meta, I do believe two of those three and maybe all three of them will pass Apple when it comes to market cap because this is a lagging impact, right? The market I think is not going to really correct itself on Apple probably for another year or two when they see just how consequential Apple's generative AI failures are, right? When, when you know, when large Language models become like, you know, a computer screen, right? They become that pivotal for every single person who's doing work. It's like, oh, you can't do work without AI, right? We're not there yet, but we're going to be there soon. And guess who won't be there with their own pocketbook, at least Apple, because they're paying other people to be there for them, which makes everyone else's value go up and their value go down. So the verdict. This is the latest Apple AI crisis, and I'm putting my stamp on this one. This proves Apple's innovation era is over. All right? This company has transformed, right? When Siri first came out, it was a very impressive piece of artificial intelligence. It's barely improved in the decade or so it's been out, right? And now because of their constant AI failures, they're forced to make their competitors richer and not get the valuable data that you would get by putting your own models out there for hundreds of millions, or in Apple's cases, billions of users. Right? There's billions of Apple devices out there. That's another thing you can't overlook. Apple is not going to have. Well, I mean, we'll see what the actual arrangements are, but presumably they're not going to have as much data as they would if they had their own large language models out there. That's why, like AI success has all has been about users, right? Which is why some companies like OpenAI, I think, are fine with losing money because they're gaining the valuable data which helps them make more, more and better models. And I think the cultural and technical failures expose that Apple is officially cooked on generative AI. All right, you heard it here first, y'. All. Hot take Tuesday. I hope this was helpful. 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