21 Apr 2025 · 11 min
Alex Lieberman breaks down procrastination as hyperbolic discounting, the bias that makes us overvalue immediate rewards. Three fixes: remove choices and automate decisions, pair short-term pleasures with long-term goals using the Pomodoro technique, and use accountability partners like Focusmate to lock in social commitment.
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What's up, everyone? This is Alex, the host of Founders Journal. As you may know, I built Morning Brew from my senior year of college until we sold the business in 2020. And now I'm building a variety of businesses in different spaces and different stages. I'm basically averaging 1 to 2 new businesses per year. And because of that, I have had the opportunity to test a ton of different products and services, ultimately landing on a core software stack that serves as my business operating system whenever I start a new company. I have my go-to banking service. I have my go-to formation service. I have my go-to domain hosting service. But probably the most important of them all is my HR service, Gusto. If you're a longtime Founders Journal listener, you know how much I think about people in the context of business. A business is nothing without its people, which means a platform that helps me manage and take care of my people is invaluable. And that means I've tried every HR platform under the sun, always with the same exact goals in mind. First, I want a product that's intuitive and delightful to use. As a non-HR person, I find the intricacies of payroll, benefits, taxes, compliance, and expenses to be painful. So I just want something that makes my life easier. Second, I want it to be affordable. I'm a bootstrapper at heart. I started Morning Brew with $0, and I started StoryArc with $0 as well, which means I don't have infinite dollars to drop on SaaS products. And third, I want a platform that acts as my one-stop shop for all things people. I want it to handle payroll, benefits, hiring, onboarding, and taxes, all while integrating with all of the other tools in my business stack, whether it be QuickBooks, Slack, or Google Workspace. Well, Gusto hit the trifecta, which is why I am a customer and use it for every single one of my businesses. Yes, this is a paid sponsorship by the amazing team at Gusto, but I would sing their praises even if I wasn't being paid to do so. So if you're looking for a platform that takes the pain out of payroll, benefits, and HR, I highly recommend you check out Gusto. And if you sign up at gusto.com/alex, you will get your first 3 months free. Now onto the episode. What's up everyone? This is Alex Lieberman and this is Founders Journal. For those who are longtime Founders Journal listeners, welcome back. For those who are new to the show, here's the deal. Founders Journal is my audio diary made public for the world. My goal is to increase your odds of success as an entrepreneur by sharing the stories, lessons, and tactics that I experience as I build my businesses. You can expect the podcast Monday and Wednesday with episodes that are under 20 minutes in length. And if you want to get notified when a new episode comes out, make sure to subscribe wherever you listen. Today on the pod, I'm talking about procrastination, something I am for sure guilty of. I first break down the science behind why we procrastinate, and then I share 3 specific tools that I use to take control of it in my life. Lastly, if you haven't yet introduced yourself, Please do so. I love getting to know my listeners, so shoot me an email at alex@storyarb.com saying hi and I'll get the conversation going. Now let's get into it.
We eat junk food even though it's bad for our bodies. We doomscroll through Twitter. And yes, I'm talking about myself, even though we should be working. We commit to Dry January and then drink a beer 2 days in. Why is it that we treat our future selves like absolute shit? So I have good news and bad news for you. The good news is your behavior or lack of willpower is not unique to you. The bad news is that it is a very, very difficult habit to break. Not only do most of us treat our future selves poorly, but we've been behaving in this way for thousands of years. At the very least, since the times of Plato and Aristotle. In his dialogue Protagoras, which sounds very formal, Plato asks a very simple question: If one judges action A to be the best course of action, one would do anything other than A? And based on our perennially irrational behaviors, the answer to that question is yes. You see, the Greeks actually named this human condition akrasia, which basically means lacking self-control or acting against one's better judgment. Now, as much as I'm a fan of the ancient philosophers, I want to get practical with this, and I want to answer 2 very simple questions. First, why is it that we act against our better judgment or lack willpower? And second, what can we do to combat it? So let's start with the first. And My short answer in 2 words is cognitive bias. I recently did this Founders Journal episode on cognitive biases, which we'll link to in the show notes. But basically what it is is a specific flawed way of thinking that causes us to make irrational decisions or behave in an irrational way. And the specific cognitive bias that causes us to smoke, procrastinate, eat junk food, or spend instead of save is this thing called hyperbolic discounting. And it's a word that's unnecessarily jargony because it was created by behavioral economists in the '60s. But it's actually really simple and really powerful. All that it means is when humans are given 2 similar rewards, they prefer the sooner reward over the later reward. And the greater the delay of the reward, the more that we discount its value. So here's a real-world example. Buy now, pay later. You know, on websites when you go to buy something and instead of spending full value today, you get to pay in weekly or monthly installments. The first thing that comes to mind is anytime I go to Apple's website and you go to buy an iPhone, you can pay like $20 a week instead of paying the full $700 for the phone. It is a massive business. Like, buy now, pay later is a $100 billion industry with multibillion-dollar players like Affirm, Afterpay, and Klarna. And this whole business is literally built around the cognitive bias of hyperbolic discounting. These businesses work because we act against our better judgment to buy goods today that will bring us joy right now, rather than to do the fiscally responsible thing long term and save our money until we can afford the item. Which begs the question, if it is literally our evolutionary brain that gets our short-term brain to be an asshole to our long-term self, What can we do to fight back? I have 3 strategies for you. First, remove choice. Don't give yourself the chance to succumb to your short-term desires and force good behavior when it comes to your finances. Automate. Automate how much you put into your 401. Automate the amount of money invested into the S&P versus what goes to your savings account and can easily be pulled out for just spending on the weekend. When it comes to work, create distance. Leave your phone in another room. Block your calendar so that you protect your time from calls or meetings. Turn off notifications in Slack so it doesn't compete for your attention constantly. The second strategy is temptation bundling. This strategy acknowledges that we are human and it will be impossible to remove our temptations to grab onto short-term rewards altogether. And with temptation bundling, the idea is to take a long-term goal Break it into shorter-term goals and bundle them with cheap pleasures. So here's a few examples. If your long-term goal is to get in shape, commit to a 30-minute HIIT workout every day of the week or a few days a week, and you follow that HIIT workout with a short-term pleasure of yours. Say for you, it's playing video games, playing Call of Duty. Or if your long-term goal is to get to 100,000 followers on Twitter, Make the short-term goal of creating one tweet thread and then allow yourself to scroll through TikTok after you complete that thread. Temptation bundling is actually exactly why I love the Pomodoro method, which is this productivity method I talked about in a recent episode. We'll link to it in the show notes because the method is structured in 30-minute increments where you have 25 minutes of work and 5 minutes of break. So temptation bundling is built into that work process. Now, the third and last strategy: make social commitments. Lock social currency into your long-term habits so that you face embarrassment if you don't do the things that you want to do. It's why I created a book club to force me to read a book a month, because I was holding myself accountable to a group of 20 people. Did a recent episode on that and we'll include that as well. And it's why in his book Indistractable, Nir Eyal recommended an app like Focusmate, which is literally a website where you get paired up with someone as an accountability partner so that when you do work, You're accountable to someone else who's also doing work and holding themselves accountable to you. And I can't stress how important it is to internalize this episode and these strategies. It doesn't matter if you're a CEO, a manager, or just getting into your career. We all succumb to short-term pleasure over long-term pleasure. But the most successful people understand this challenge and they develop strategies to navigate it. So to recap, hyperbolic discounting is just fancy talk for for this age-old bias that causes us to say yes to short-term pleasure, even if it causes long-term pain. And there are a number of ways to fight it, but my 3 favorites are removing choice, temptation bundling, and social commitments. Now, I'd love to hear from you. What do you do to keep yourself from procrastinating? I would love to share the best tips that I get from listeners in an upcoming episode, so shoot me an email at alex@morningbrew.com. And while you're doing that, please, please subscribe to Founders Journal and leave a review on the podcast player of your choice wherever you listen to the show, whether it's Apple, Spotify, or another player. It is the number one way we grow the show, and it's how we get to the top of the charts every single month. As always, thank you so much for listening, and I'll catch you next episode.
