Unleashing Productivity Power: NJ Shelsby's Blueprint for Overcoming Overwhelm and Achieving Focus

If anybody feels like they are too overwhelmed or they have too much to do and that they think that they can't, that that's just the way it is. I just want to plead with them to start looking at what they want their life to be like and start creating that possibility for a different way of working so that then they can start, you know, taking some steps to make it different. Because that is not how it has to be. I mean, I used to be a chronic overworker, and it's so funny that the number of times that I am at night sitting on the couch reading a book while my husband is making dinner, that's the norm. And it used to be that he'd be sitting on the couch and I'd be complaining, resentful, like, how come you're relaxing? There's work to be done. And now it's like, if I'm tired, I'm going to relax. We can work a different way. It doesn't. We don't have to always be working foreign.

Hello. I am so pumped that you are here today and that you are going to have the opportunity to meet NJ Shelsby1L. There's an S in there. Shelsby. She is a productivity powerhouse. Listening to this episode, you are going to hear how she has some different beliefs than the traditional viewpoints in the productivity space. And we're also going to touch on some specific examples. If you are feeling a little bit overwhelmed, you feel like you got a little bit of clutter a lot on your plate, distractions galore. Shiny objects. You're going to want to listen to this episode because we've got some tangible things that you can start to consider and think through to shift out of that overwhelm, to shift away from shiny objects. As a wife and mother who once worked in an intense corporate environment, NJ has experienced firsthand the damaging effects of of long hours and stress. After developing an autoimmune disease, she was forced to start working smarter, not harder. I know you may have heard that term before, but NJ does this a little bit differently. She helps women gain control, eliminate distractions, and focus on what really matters so they can achieve a new level of success and work fewer hours along the way. Let me know what you think after watch. Listening to this, watching, listening. Wherever you're hanging out with us to this episode, there are going to be some nuggets in there that might surprise you. They're going to be some nuggets that reinforce theories, thoughts, ideas that you might have had. And there may be Some things that you want to explore and implement right away. Just like I did near the end, I asked NJ a very specific question about something that I have been wondering about from a productivity perspective. And I hope this helps you, too. With that, let's turn the conversation over to the fabulous NJ productivity powerhouse. Here she is. Nj, I'm so happy to see you. Thanks for being here.

Absolutely. I'm so excited to talk with you today.

The best. You have some unique viewpoints. I just want to. I'm so excited about this because I want to go right there and then, you know, we'll circle back around. But you have a belief around work life balance, and I want to hear it.

Yeah, I do. Like, I hear these people all the time who are like, there's no such thing as work life balance. And I disagree. And I think that they're thinking of work life balance as, like, the scales of justice, that. That it means being perfectly balanced. And that's not what work life balance is about. It's more like, if I asked you to balance on one foot, what would it look like? Right. Like, you'd be sometimes leaning this way, sometimes leaning this way. And it's all about, you know, moving back and forth to keep from falling over. And that's work life balance. It's about not, you know, going to the extreme so that everything falls apart. And that means not sacrificing your health, your sanity, your relationship, you know, not having those regrets 10, 15 years into the future because it was all about work. Wow.

I love that visual. What? You're on one foot. Like, okay, you're. Things are a little wobbly. It's not going to be perfectly balanced. Like, I'm not going to stand there every day. And actually, I was doing Pilates this morning, and I was like, oh, I'm falling over. I had the move down and then I fell, and then we just rebalance. We get right back up. But I love this because you can be grounded on that one foot. You're kind of wobbly. This is okay, but you have this foundation that is strong most of the time. Oh, this is beautiful. It's interesting because I heard the term and I practiced for a little while after, like, okay, hearing this. Let me try this on. Work life integration.

Have you heard this? Okay, I have not.

Yeah, I. It makes sense because I. It didn't work for me. And the idea is that I'm working and I'm living, and they become integrated. They're intertwined. But what does that mean? It means, like, oh, I'M working while my kids are here. My kids are here and I'm working. And yeah, that did not work for me.

Yeah. And I think that what people lose sight of is the fact that we have not evolved, our brains have not evolved to handle the way that we currently work. And I think doing work, life integration makes it even harder. Like we need buckets, right? That you can say right now I am in this mode. I need to cut off social media, I need to cut off text messages, have the family not interrupt me. Just for 45 minutes. Let me focus on one thing, but the constant task switching. Because there's a ping or even if your phone, you know, people have their phone on, on silent. You know, they have it silent, but their internal like, oh, do I have any messages? That forces them to pick it up and look at it. All of that bouncing back and forth, it just makes us feel a little crazy.

It really does. So this perspective on work life balance is really refreshing and we're going to come around to some of this. But first, could you tell us a little bit about your story and how you got to where you are today and what you are doing today?

Absolutely. So I was in the corporate world, like, very success driven. Failure was not an option. Working long hours, and I mean, there were days I literally worked 24 hours straight. And two things happened in a short period of time that kind of started to wake me up. One was I came home from work late at night, everyone was in bed. And there was a note on the table from my son, who was about 10 at the time. And it said, mom, how come I barely ever see you anymore now squeezed my heart, right? Like, because I used to be a stay at home mom and now here I am, you know, neglecting my kid. Second thing that happened is I had a doctor's appointment. And on the way to my doctor's appointment, I forgot where the office was. Now I'm not talking about a. It took me, you know, 30 seconds to remember. I mean, I could not remember and had to call to get directions to an office that I had been to, you know, six, eight times, something like that. And when I showed up and told my doctor what had happened, the look on his face, that he was like, so serious. And he was like, you have to immediately take steps to reduce your stress level. And so those two things were kind of a catalyst for me to start making changes. And so within a little over a year, my dad had died, I quit my job, left my husband and was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease, all within that period of time. And when they diagnosed me with the autoimmune disease, it happened over a weekend where Friday I had some, some testing done because, you know, I quit my job. Insurance was ending. I just wanted to make sure everything was okay. And they found a blip on the, on the X ray. And my doctor tells me Friday afternoon, well, I think you have lung cancer that, you know, has kind of that spread and it's really bad. So that was a Friday. So all at all, weekend long, I'm dealing with this. So Monday I got in for a biopsy and that's where they diagnosed me with the Hashimoto. So it's like, good news is you don't have cancer. Bad news is you have an autoimmune disease. So that just kind of put me on this new path in order to just not work all the time and really take better care of myself. And it sounds easy, right? Like, you get an awakening like that, and it's like, okay, I have to make big changes. But the reality was that within a short period of time, I was still. I was working the long hours. I was just now working for myself, not, you know, the man. But my identity wasn't wrapped up in, you know, who I was, you know, as a hard worker. There were all the internal things about, you know, what, how people were going to respond and how they would feel if I didn't, you know, answer that email right away and just all that kind of internal stuff. And there was, you know, this digital explosion of messages coming in and not having the boundaries and place. And so I don't have a lot of self discipline. If that clickbait gets in front of me, I'm going to go down that rabbit hole. And yeah, so. And, you know, there is just bad habits that I think we all have fallen into because we didn't, we didn't know. Technology is actively trying to get our attention. And until we take the time to say, okay, where's my attention going? And what can I put in place? What habits can I change? It's kind of like trying to walk a puppy without a leash when on Memorial Day weekend when all your neighbors are grilling, like, trying to get that puppy to go where you want it to go is virtually impossible. And so that's kind of how we are if we don't have, you know, boundaries in place. And.

Yeah, and you had a big catalyst, I mean, a series of catalysts to start to shift mindsets. And I'm just thinking, you know, mine There are some significant moments as I look back in my life, like, okay, now it's time for a change. You know, I've got that moment when I was driving home from corporate also, I was like, oh, this is very similar. And I was driving home, Everybody was sleeping. 9 o' clock at night, there was a giant moon. I was like, why driving home from work, why wasn't I sitting in my backyard with my kids looking at that gorgeous moon? And this is when I just started. I made a decision. Something's going to change. I didn't know what yet. Yet, Right. And I had to start shifting some behaviors and mindsets and make some new decisions. So it really started with exploration for me. And I'm sure there is someone listening who's like, oh, I. I had a catalyst or. Yeah, it's not always the big catalyst. Sometimes when I made shifts in my life, it's just something that's percolating. It's just this idea, like, I. I don't want to live like that. I want to live like this. How could I do that? So again, I started exploring. But how did you. And you mentioned that you're like, okay, it wasn't. It wasn't so clear. It wasn't so easy because you had these behaviors that were ingrained how you live. So how did you start to make shifts from who write the old identity to the new?

Yeah. Yes. I mean, it was a huge study and personal development. And I think my impression, I mean, we've known each other for years. My impression is you're a pretty disciplined person. You seem very, very self controlled. Like, if you say, oh, this would make sense, I'm gonna do that. You seem very able to do that. That's not me. I am the opposite of that. I am adhd, which means I don't do well with routines. I resist routines. I have. Have you. Are you familiar with Gretchen Rubin's work, the Four Tendencies?

Yeah, I really like that book.

Yeah. Yeah. You're probably an upholder, aren't you?

Oh, I can't remember. I know I am not the person who needs others to hold them accountable. It does not work. I'm a terrible accountability buddy.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I am the rebel, which I resist all expectations, internal and external. If I put something on my to do list, I immediately get this, like, inner resistance to doing it. If I, like, try to do, like, very stringent, like, very strict goals. Huge, huge resistance. Like, I have my worst business years when I, like, try to go into that mode. Yeah, Yeah. I had all of that stuff working against me. And then now having an autoimmune disease. You know, I have Hashimoto's, which is an autoimmune disease of my thyroid. And so when I'm under too much stress, working too hard or eating the wrong things and it gets activated, I'm like foggy headed, I'll get depression, anxiety, and so I've got less available time to work. And so yeah, I had to dig in. And through all of that, I kind of figured out that there are three things that, that are affecting it. There's your belief, obviously, we all know that, right? Like if, if, if I do this, this bad thing is going to happen. And so that kind of drives some of those habits. And then the other thing that a lot of people don't talk about is we, we store these emotional memories. And so something that happens to us when we're little that our nervous system is, is, feels like it's a little overloaded. And so instead of processing it, it shoves it down like, oh, we don't want to go there, right? It can be something silly like you're drawing on the wall with a crayon and your mother yells at you or something like that, and you just feel this shame or something like that. But these, these memories are stored in our nervous system. So as adults, when we're trying to do something, sometimes they get activated and our wonderful brain trying to protect us, it'll feel that the similar emotion is coming up. And we don't even consciously realize it, but it does before we're aware. And so it tries to pull us away from that behavior. And how this applies in productivity is, let's say something happened that whenever you try to not look at your phone that you get this emotional feeling like somebody's going to be upset, you know, or you know, because. And you know that you're from your family of origin is, you know, your family, you know, someone yelled at you or something like that. And so we have these unconscious impulses where our brain is trying to protect us from these emotions that are uncomfortable to feel. And so part of the process that I found is that through, you know, 30 minutes, we can work through that. And then something where people could be struggling for a long time to not check their phone. And then all of a sudden it's done, it's gone. They'll be like up for hours and have no need to check their phone. They can do it more on the conscious level of when they can say, okay, I'll check my phone at noon and 3. And they don't really have that, you know, oh, what if someone's upset? Or what if I miss out on something? Like, it's pretty easy to work through that. And then the third piece is about. We have memorized patterns. Right. Like, we are habitual human beings. You know, that behavior that you do gets kind of hardwired. And so it's just a matter of creating, jumping out of that pattern and then reinforcing a new one. And so when you, when you put all three of those together, it makes it really easy to make changes.

This is good. Okay. A couple of things we got to dig into. The first, I want a full disclosure. My daughter has been calling. She broke through my dnd. That's why you heard the ring. I was like, oh, my gosh, please don't call. She's going to break through. And she did break through the dmz. I know it's not an emergency, but you were talking about. Right. The reactions, the emotional responses. And I, what I'm thinking is I need a new system in place. So my dad do not. They don't know that I'm on a call right now. So. Fair enough.

Yeah.

These are things that life's going to happen. Life's going to come up and we have a behavior and a response and a reaction to this. And it sounds like you put systems structures in place to be proactive.

Yeah.

So that in the moment. Okay, we got it. Or we're not responding and reacting.

Right, right. And I have to, because I have very little self discipline. I, you know, clickbait, it gets me every time. So you ever use Bing?

Don't think. No.

Bing. No. Okay. So as opposed to, like Google, you know, so, you know, I do consulting work for Microsoft sometimes. And when I'm there, I have to use, you know, I use Bing.

Yeah.

And they have it where it's got this clickbait where it's like the National Enquirer headline. And it is unbelievable. Like, you open a browser to do something productive and spend 45 minutes down these paths of like, just crazy stuff that has nothing to do with work. It blows my mind that Microsoft's mission statement is about productivity because they are horrible. Like, they derail productivity. But I had to, I know I had to look up how to, you know, turn that off so that I didn't get sucked in. Because if that pops up, it's this battle of will not to go down there. And then you use up your willpower and eventually it's going to win. So you have to put in place blocks like that. I unsubscribe to emails. The ones that I don't want to unsubscribe to. Most of them are automatically filtered so that they're not in my inbox. There's very little that shows up in my inbox because if it's there, it's so seductive. Right. And especially today, people are so good with sales letters. I mean, it used to be, you know, very few people knew that, that psychology of influence. Now everybody does. And if you're, like, having that stuff show up in your inbox, it's this constant. It's like trying to be on a diet and having a plate of brownies right in front of you. Like, obviously we wouldn't do that. But if you don't put boundaries in place to keep that stuff out of the front of your face, that's what you're doing.

Oh, so good. Because it's true. Like, cupcakes are the one thing. Cupcakes, brownie. You put baked goods in my kitchen. And the kids go to school, they will be gone when they get home. The. So you put these things in place to write, set up systems and structures. But. And you also talked about the internal. So I would look at those. Do you think these boundaries and structures that we were just talking about is more the external?

Yes. Yeah. So there's all of this external stuff that is, you know, it's just trying to steal your attention. And so it's about putting boundaries up so that you don't have to deal with the constant, you know, pull on your willpower not to go down that path or part of its willpower, part of it is decision making. Like, we can only make so many decisions. And when your decisions are being used up all day long with these little, oh, should I respond to this text message right now? Is this urgent? You know, what should I say to this person? You. You can't do that. Yeah. And then the internal stuff is dealing with, you know, stuff like, you know, I have adhd. You know, I get depressed, like, probably, at least, probably once every six weeks I'll find that, you know, I have a chemical thing that happens, and I'll be depressed and unmotivated and so trying to. Having to get myself to work through that so that you. You have to be able to prioritize what are your real and true priorities. But internally, that stuff can get, you know, get to the point that it's not your true priorities, whether it's that fear of missing out, fear of Failure, fear of somebody being upset or lack of, you know, needing a dopamine hit or any of these kinds of internal things that'll have us working on the wrong thing.

So if I am sitting here thinking like, oh my gosh, some of those hits, like, oh, fear of failure. Right, whatever. Like, oh yeah, those dopamine hits, they're, they're in my, they're up all day. Right. The internal struggles. How would someone audit and go through or how do you do that with someone to go like, all right, let's identify the internal struggles that are coming up. Because sometimes those are less, they're, they're harder to spot sometimes because they're tucked in our subconscious.

Yeah. And so the way that I identify them is just very easy. It's about what's the behavior that to change that is going to give you the result. And then it's a matter of that resistance to doing that behavior that just totally uncovers them. So if for example, like logically it's like, okay, don't check your social media until 4 o', clock, but you have a problem doing that. It's like, okay, well what would be the worst thing that would happen if you didn't check your social media until 4 o'? Clock? All of a sudden that's where your internal stuff is going to come up.

Oh, that's so good. So that space between we're going to try this, what's the worst that can happen? Okay, and then what if, yeah, what if somebody posts something and I missed it? What if a client tags me in? What? Okay, yeah.

And that stuff is so easy to get through. And normally when I, when I work with someone one on one as a coach, like we'll just go through those, you know, we'll, I normally start with like a VIP day and then we just go through and it's whatever theirs are that are getting in place of the good habits that would make them, you know, much more focused and give them that focus time. Any kind of resistance they have to implementing them. We just clear all of those out and then they're out of overwhelm, they've got buckets of focus time and they just get, kill it. And then we'll do a couple of follow up sessions. You know, anything that comes up that, that we weren't able to deal with and that's it. They're good, they're done, they're, they move on.

So dang good. I love the speed at which you move to like, we can take care of this. It doesn't have to take years to reset and yeah, the other actually before we go. Because I want to hear what you're just about to say on the timeline of it. But before we do the chaos producing habits, we have to change. I want to dive into that a little bit more as well. So chaos producing habit. Example.

Example. Keeping your to do's in your head. Oh yeah, okay. That's a simple one. Here's another one that a lot, I mean everyone. Well, most people know that one. Here's one that people don't think about. So our brain can only handle so many information from so many different places, right. Imagine back in the 90s, you had your voicemail, you had your inbox, you had your snail mail coming in and your to do list. Right? That was about it. Well, today we have stuff, these, all these channels of to do's that are coming to us. Messenger, you know, Facebook messenger, text messages. Every email is another one. Your Evernote inbox, your notes app on your phone, open browser tabs, documents that you're minimized on your computer that you still have something to do use something in.

Oh my gosh.

Exactly. The on your phone, open browser tabs that things you need to get back to your photos app that you took a picture of, something to remind yourself to do. Like the list goes on and on and on. Well, your brain can only handle like six of those before it starts going a little crazy. And we just don't even realize and we just have all of these out there. Which causes your brain to constantly be scanning in order to protect you from missing something that it's constantly going to look like until it feels confident that there's nothing in that channel. It like. And it keeps you looping around from channel to channel, which makes it hard to focus. So that's an example of a chaos producing habit.

Okay. NJ that was a good one. I knew there was a good example that I needed to hear today.

How.

And I'm, I was nodding like, oh yeah. Okay, this is open. That's open. I've got this like tab in the back of my head open, right? What, what do you recommend? How do we consolidate?

Yeah, yeah. And that's exactly what you have to do. You have to consolidate. And so like my, the voicemail on my phone, it is automatically transcribed and goes into my email so that it's not another thing for me to check. You can do like unified messaging app. Like it's called text.com. and so that instead of having to check Facebook messages and Slack messages and text, they're all in one. And so that when it's time to check messages, I can go and check one place, open browser tabs, like I use one tab that closes them all down. And then it's part of my like weekly cleanup routine is to go through and find any of those. And so it's about like figuring out where yours are and setting up so that you can minimize them and set routines that your brain trusts and knows it's got it under control. And it doesn't have to worry you because that's the thing. Your brain is trying to protect you from forgetting anything, from missing out on anything. And you have to have a system in place that it trusts, that your unconscious trusts and knows that you've got it. That, you know, up on Fridays I go through when I look at this. And then it doesn't have to force you to cycle back through that. So there's all kind of little things like that.

So good. Okay, coming back to the speed of this. Yeah, there is a lot that could potentially be uncovered and redesigned here. External, internal, and these surprise, not so surprise, chaos producing habits. But like, oh yeah, we should take care of that. So how can you do this so quickly with people?

Because it's kind of like everything can be a mess, but there's some fundamental pieces that when you fix them, everything gets better. Early in my career, I worked in aerospace and medical devices and I was a project manager. And like we had to identify the root cause of problems. And that's just the way that my brain thinks. And so I don't work at symptoms. You know, I, I just instinctively go below the symptoms to the root cause. And once you get out of overwhelm, you're able to think clearer. See, people don't realize that they're walking around in overwhelm, which means they're stressed, which means they're not accessing the prefrontal cortex, they can't think straight. And I can get somebody out of overwhelm like that. I mean, so easy to do. You know, we think that we're overwhelmed because we have too much to do. It's not that we have too much to do, it's that your brain is trying to do it all at the same time. Because your brain is not good with time. And so when you kind of map it out and you, you break it down and you just tell your brain, okay, this stuff I'm going to do next week, all of a sudden it's not worried about it anymore. Like this stuff I'm going to do tomorrow. This is the stuff I'm going to do today, this stuff I'm going to do this afternoon. And all of a sudden this long list of things now your brain is like, okay, I can relax. You've got all that covered. And now I can focus on these couple of things that have to be done this morning. And then when you turn off all of the notifications and you, you stop the interruptions, those two things together, you can focus. And once you're able to get more things done, you know, it's like a snowball going downhill. It just, you know, gets bigger and bigger and you get more done and you're more and more productive. So that's how so dang good.

I was nodding away. High five and point. Yes.

Yes.

The whole time NJ was sharing some of those strategies about how she can get to this quickly through the root cause. Totally obsessed.

And the biggest thing I see is that for some reason as women, right, we're like, we think, I don't have time to stop and do that. I don't think we realize how much of a difference it's going to make. But it's kind of like you were, if you're on the way to the airport to pick up your mother in law and you're running late and you get a flat tire, are you not going to stop and change the flat tire because you're in a hurry? I mean, obviously, right? You're like, well, the speed I'm going to be going at with a flat tire is going to make me even later than if I take the time to stop and change the tire and I'm going to be doing damage to the car that's going to cost me a lot of money.

Yeah, this is good. I have a very specific question for you and I think this is going to benefit someone who's listening. So we, I, I've had, I've got a big project I'm working on. I'm really like motivated and excited about it. And I also need, I've got some like digital decluttering that I would like to do. And I don't do the digital decluttering because I'm like this big project. I'm super excited about it. This is where I need to spend my time. And on the flip side, I'm like, oh man, I don't worry too much about Inbox zero anymore. There was a time I don't, but a couple times a year I like to go through and just, you know, tidy up so I have that space. Do I pause and carve out a day to do my just digital declutter because everything else is pretty fine or right. Do you know, you're focused and you've got momentum. Keep going.

What is your digital clutter?

Well, you know, I do not clean up my one Tab every week because I don't even. I'm not even worried about it. I close my one Tab down. I'm like, it's gone.

I'm good.

I'll find it.

And you just. You just said this. The secret phrase, I'm not worried about it.

Oh, yeah.

So if you're not worried about it, you don't take the time to do it. But here's one of the things in regard to digital clutter, that is a priority. There's resources that we need to do our active projects, and we don't realize how important it is to have those handy. The number of times that you want to work on a project and like, oh, where's that information? And you have to. Yeah, you don't want to have to find the information. So I would. If the information that you need to work on that current project is not in a place that it's all together and neat, I would put aside time just to do that portion of it.

I love this. It's funny. Part of the. One of the exciting projects I'm working on right now, I was like, oh, this is kind of all over. So I did just that. I created our mini playbook for this specific project. Like, what is all. Everything I need. So I have one document to open.

Yep.

And then it's all there.

Yeah. Perfect.

You just answered it. If you're not worried about it, let it go. Yeah, but if it keeps coming up and it's a distraction, then. Or if it's something I need, then spend, you know, a couple hours to get that done.

Yes, yes. And as you. Any new projects kind of have a system. I use Evernote, and I use Evernote at home and. And for my business. But if I'm doing consulting at Microsoft, I use onenot for. For that. But same process that each project has a page. And if there's links, Microsoft is huge that anything that you work on there are, you know, 10, 15 links. And it's. It's amazing how many people, you know, you see messages all the time. Adult teams message someone. Where's the link for this? Where's the. Like, really together? Like, exactly. Yeah. It just. To me, it's common sense, but I think that we don't think about it just because we're so scattered these days, and so we have to make a focused effort to have a resource page for every project. And as soon as you. As soon as you come up with it, you create a page. And any information you have, whether they're, you know, links to websites or even if you have files somewhere, you know, either putting a link to that file or a description that says where is. I mean, you might have handwritten notes in a file cabinet that you did, you know, while you were on vacation that you just had some great ideas, and you just. In that note, you, like, write, you know, notes in file drawer, you know, F3 or something like that. Yeah.

NJ from the concept of work life balance to the very tangible strategies that you shared, I am so grateful that we had this time with you. Is there anything that you would say to people to think about and closing words? Do we miss anything? Other words of wisdom?

I just want to say that if anybody feels like they are too overwhelmed or they have too much to do and that they think that they can't, that that's just the way it is. I just, you know, want to plead with them to start looking at what they want their life to be like and start creating that possibility for a different way of working and just really seeing that and. And seeing that as a possibility and desiring that so that then they can start, you know, taking some steps to make it different. Because that is not how it has to be. I mean, I used to be a chronic overworker, and now it's so funny that the number of times that I am at night sitting on the couch reading a book while my husband is making dinner, I mean, that's the norm. And it used to be that he'd be sitting on the couch and I'd be complaining, resentful, like, how come you're relaxing? There's work to be done. And now it's like, if I'm tired, I'm gonna relax. So we. We can work a different way. It doesn't. We don't have to always be working.

So dang good, NJ where do people find you?

Njselpy.com and if anybody is really feeling overwhelmed, I have a exercise that is a video that kind of steps through, you know, that process that I briefly kind of talked about about how you categorize the tasks. And that's@njshelsea.com overwhelm and they can watch that video.

I love it. Go check that video out. We will link it all up in the show notes. NJ it was so fun hanging out. Thanks for being here.

Oh, it was. It was such a pleasure to talk with you, as usual.