What is Black Magic? | Left Hand Path Explained | Quantum Reiki Podcast

What is black magic? I think this is a very personal experience for every magician. So today we're going to be talking to two very well versed practitioners in black magic. Myself and my good friend Eline. We're both energy healers and shamans and we work deeply with this in different capacities. So let's go right into it. So what's black magic? I think you should go first on your opinion on your experience. I think there's the definition of black magic that we can like discuss from a textbook term. Term, Right, Yeah. And then there's like the individual experience that has a very pure definition of it. So I think we should do our own. Okay. Lives. Okay. Okay.

So for me, black magic is anything that has not been explored, understood, and that it does create tension when we come across it. So it's really broad. I know. Like my, my personal definition is quite broad because I just, I, I personally feel that I'm the most powerful when I don't have this fixed definition on black magic. I try to be as generous and broad as I can be. So typically for me is anything that I feel that is misunderstood, that is demonized, that is perceived to be extremely negative and bad to me, that has a vibration of black magic. So I will look at that kind of stuff, whether it's within the person, whether they literally feel like they're being attacked by other curses and hexes and stuff like that. I look at it, that's what's coming through for me. What's yours?

Okay, okay, okay. For me, honestly, there's a word that comes up and it's just like yourself or like myself. Right. Like, that's what black magic to me really is, because through my experience, black magic has shown me how it's so integral to your anatomy. Like, you're doing it by default and you're not even aware of it. And the world is structured heavily off of like black magic principles. And when you learn kind of like, okay, this is a system that I'm working in, you can then have more dexterity to move elements of reality around. You know what I mean?

Yes.

So I, for me, it's always been, it's always been trying to discover power. Like, I've always been really attracted to power. I, I love power at different degrees, and I've explored power in ways that kind of have forced me to let go of that idea of power. So like, at times I wanted to be like this super entrepreneur. And then once you actually get that level of power, you're like, like, this is a lot that you gotta deal with. Like, with more power comes more responsibility. And then it makes you adjust and be like, is this actually want? So it shows you almost like you're lying to yourself. Like, you thought this thing that you wanted is. It was gonna like, be the ultimate fulfillment of Dharma. You've. Now you have it, and now you're not happy. What is Dharma if. If. If it's not fulfilling? You know? You know what I mean? So it's shown me, okay, well, anything I eventually want is only because I'm not clear with myself. And. And that's what black magic, I think, has really, really taught me the most, is like, the more clear I am with myself about what I'm actually creating, I don't even have to manifest because it's all happening around me anyway. Like, by default, the only thing that's going to be there is what makes me invincible. And invincibility is like me being in my. My highest vibration in my personal universe that will eventually trickle into other universes that, you know.

Yes, absolutely. It's.

It's.

It's creating. I love power, by the way, too. I love. In the beginning, I was seeking to understand what, like, the conventional understanding of power was, which is to manipulate reality or to gain what I want. To be able to go after the goals that I set, forced to do and attain it, and then have enough awareness or power or courage within myself to fight against. I think this is important. To fight against anything that comes in my way. That originally was my perception. And then after a while, I realized as I evolved in my understanding, practicing black magic and even understanding black magic, it's like, it gets to this place of still teaching me about power, but from a different perspective, that there's so much power as well in the surrender and the yielding and sharing of power. Because people don't think about that. That you actually become more powerful when you share, when you affect change at a higher level.

Yes, yes. I think those are really good definitions, personal definitions on black magic. But just generally, if we were to describe it, black magic is the. The perceived usage of negative energy or like, dark energies to manipulate reality. And a lot of times people consider black magic just like horror movie type stuff, which is like, you know, you kill somebody or like, you know, you do something like that. But really, black magic is also used in healing. It's used in manifestation. It's used in like. Like subconscious reprogram, like, stuff like that. It's actually in everything. And shadow work. If you're somebody who's Gotten into shadow work. Shadow work is like, like intro level to actual like black magic. And it's, it's barely scratching the surface to be honest, because you're still in the light trying to perceive something that is, is darker, it's deeper, it's beyond the light itself. It's the shadow that is being cast by the light. But then eventually there comes a point where the shadow stops existing and it just becomes the void. It'll become the darkness, It'll become like a sense of emptiness and then becomes the void. And then it keeps growing into like these amorphous concepts. Like. Yeah, that's like one of the, that's one of the best ways to understand black magic at a definition. Can you do really shitty things? Yes. Can you do really awesome things? Yes. What black magic will actually do is it'll force you to face yourself, to see who you really are. And the reason why some people end up doing really shitty things when they start getting into black magic is because that's who they naturally were underneath it all. And they didn't have the ability to exercise self control which then forces them to implode their lives and all this other stuff. Because black magic is power. Black magic will give you the ability to do some really insane stuff. But then if you have ego while you're doing these processes, the ego will get inflated and it eventually it's going to come back and it's going to like, it's like a rubber band like from which, from what you created from it has to return back to. And then that's where people have the whiplash and their lives implode.

Yeah, that's a great point. Black magic is inflates your ego because of the acceleration of power you're going to gain from the practice and understanding of it. So if you don't know how to let your ego die in certain situations and then allow this like death and rebirth transformation to happen, then you would have a lot of whiplash. And that's why a lot of people get into it. Some people get into it and they're just, they create a lot of chaos for themselves and then they can't help it. Eventually needing to take a break, get out of it or get some help from someone who can help them. But yeah, that, that death and rebirth process is, is critical.

Well, the hope black magic process honestly is like a culture of itself is what like really comes to my mind, that you have to learn a new way of being because you're being more real with yourself. Which means if you're being more real with yourself. You have to be more real with the structure of the cosmos. Meaning we live in a third dimension. The third dimension is polarized. It has positive and negative. It's dual, it has gender. We see it in everything. So it's not like you can e it. And there's moments where you see the unity of all of it and it becomes like a third thing. But you know, when you, when you're working with black magic, it's. It's about no longer having a prejudice. Like, I. One of the things it's done a lot for me is like reform the idea of God. Like, and it, it has not corrupted the idea in weird, in a weird way, black magic has brought me closer to God. And, and most people don't. Like, most people don't realize I have.

Personally witnessed, I personally witnessed this progression in you. So I can attest to that. Yes. Before, like, yeah, for a while you're like, not talking about God. And now you're like, wait a minute.

Because, like, you end up realizing that the concept that humanity has used to define God is what you actually have resistance to because it's not the truth of what God is. And that's like what really opened my mind. Like, I started. I started learning the, the fullness of God, which is also the negative or the perceived negative because it's not even negative. It just is. It's a, it's a certain density or chemistry of energies that exists on the within God, on just a different spectrum of God. You know, I mean, it's almost like when, when you, when you have a friend that you hang out with every so often, you know so much about them, but then a best friend, you, you know, like some of their dark, you know, I mean, and like, that's, that's what black magic has really taught me is like the darker aspect of God that God himself embraces because it's manifested. It wouldn't be manifested if God wasn't participating. Everything is God, you know. Right. Yeah. So, like, I get really angry. Just to like, top it off, you know, when I see these creators that come out and they're like, oh, no one can do black magic if no one can do black magic. Why the hell is it a concept that every culture across all humanity for like thousands of years, we all have a consensus that it's possible to do? Like, it's just whether or not it's taught openly because obviously you don't want people to have access to shit like that, you know, I mean, that's why it's the occult arts, you know, but it exists because it can manifest. And there's so many people around the world for thousands of years that have been attesting to that.

Yes. And it's. It's, you know, the people who insist on denying black magic, they're only limiting their own power of expansion. That's what I've seen. I. I used to be in the Christian world for five years, and they were very conflicted in the sense that, you know, they. They would talk about God and mentions the devil, but then when I ask them about it, they're like, no, the devil doesn't exist. What do you mean? Okay, so if you accept God, but yet you don't accept, like, what you said earlier, that the Bible mentions the devil as God's creation, part of it, but you don't accept that it actually is what it is. So why. Why. That's why there's that phrase, like, the devil's greatest trick is to convince the world that he doesn't exist so that he can operate in the shadows all the time. The boogeyman to come out and scare you. And you have no control in that. In those states where you're being freaked out by the potential that that black magic might be real. Right. That's one of the reasons why I got curious with black magic, because I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, this can't be it. This is. It doesn't feel right. I know there's. I know there's evil in the world. You can't tell me that there's no evil in the world. And I do feel and know that there's also a higher power, like light and God and deities and whatever you want to believe in.

Right.

The cosmos. So the people who comes to me doesn't matter from which perspective and says, there's only light or there's only one God or there's only one way. To me, it's just yet another way to deny their own inner darkness.

I don't disagree with the concept that there's a oneness. Like, yeah, for sure. But that oneness is in everything. Like, and I mean, you and I were having a conversation earlier today, which, you know, we were like, we should record this on the podcast. Good.

It's coming back.

It's coming back. It wants to be manifested. So basically, you know, I was. I was having these deep meditations the other day where I realized that I should almost, like, hire myself in the astral to be my own, like, hypnotist therapist and like, allow, allow like a quantum shift from like a higher perspective. Right? Like I'm. I'm going to like a cosmic therapist who's me, who knows everything about me and can help me get out of my own situation. And in that conversation, it was talking to me about, like, in every manifestation, like right now, right now, the manifestation that you want is, Is already in front of your face. It's already here. Like, it's not that you're trying to work your way towards the manifestation is that you. There's something off in the equation that's not allowing the manifestation to present itself the way you want to see it. So when you look at it from that perspective, like, literally can't give yourself anything because you already have it. So what resistance is there other than a calculation error when you change it from, oh, I gotta jump hoops and like, walls and all this other stuff to a calculation shift? Okay. That's like just going back and reviewing your work really quick and then adjusting a few key elements that changes the whole algorithm to manifest what you want to witness in the holographic reality. And it. What's. What's really powerful about that is like, it brings me back to. It's like I. It's not that I'm. I don't have the things that I want is just. I am not clear enough on what it is that I want. That's why it hasn't manifested.

Yeah.

You know what I mean? It's clarity. Clarity is invincibility. Okay. Okay.

Oneness. To me, if, if, if you get to a place where you understand. Not necessarily oneness, but I, I like to think of it now as totality. Like how you like to talk about, you know, totality. It is understanding literally you are. You exist in this reality where there's always darkness and light, and no matter who you are and where you're at, there's always going to be, quote, unquote, resistance. Because that's the thing that annoys us the most, right when we're going after shit, what the fuck? Why can't I motivate myself? Why can't I get up and just like, make a plan? Why can't I go work out when I say I want to lose 10 pounds? It's the resistance that get us to slow down, to like, give up on ourselves to whatever, get. Get into a very chaotic state. And black magic to me is like understanding how to deal with the resistance that comes up so that you can have totality, so that you can understand how to behave in a certain way that allows more manifestation and more flow to come in while witnessing the totality of where you're at. Because it doesn't matter where you're at right now. You're going to have positive and negative stuff happening. Even if you're at the highest high, right. Maybe you're going to be anxious because you're about to go on the biggest talk show or something and you're like, oh my God, I'm just going to fail this. That's resistance, that's negativity. That's something you're going to have to deal with. So it's kind of. Yeah, to me, it's like understanding in the secret, the occult knowledge. A lot of it is in how do you deal with your own darkness, your own resistance so that you open.

I love that you bring that up because that's actually something I've learned a lot of. Like, it's. That's one of the things that's reformed me with. You're going to be the bad guy and in some reality, eventually, because you are an infinite being, therefore you cannot deny, like you denying your own, like, quote, unquote shittiness is not helping you become more authentic with a higher vibration that is like, the more authentic and the less resistance you have with yourself, then you have no choice but to be higher vibrational. And then a lot of people think, oh, you. That was one of the reasons, I think that it really got into black magic too. Because I had noticed that there were 5D, 6D 70 shitty, shitty people and was hit. I'm like, how the. Is this happening? Like, how did they. Did they hit this peak and then got corrupted? Or is it that, like, there's another criteria that's required here for ascension to happen and it has nothing to do with whether or not you're a good or bad person. And when I boil it down to get to 5D, you just need to be hella authentic with yourself and live from that authenticity, which of course is going to give you fear. But then at the same time, like, if that. That is the challenge, that's why you're doing black magic, to become invincible. Are you truly invincible if you still have fear and if you're most importantly fearful of yourself? You know, I mean. Yes, then of course you're gonna have reasons to be afraid of the world. And because you don't even trust yourself fundamentally.

Yeah, no. And it's like authenticity. You take it to the highest level, then it is embodying the totality of who you are cosmically. So when anyone decides to do that, I'm sorry, you're gonna have people who hate you and you're gonna have people who love you when you're at that peak of your power. Doesn't matter anymore. It doesn't matter. You look at anyone who is successful, they. They've got haters. There's no way they can avoid it because they're so visible, because they're so influential or powerful, whatever it is, or rich, whatever, however you want to perceive them to have so much power, and they have to be okay with that. Otherwise they will just fall and not be able to maintain that vibration and continue to go up.

People, people who react to you, meet you at a certain vibration within their reality. So like, if you're like an epiphany and then they react, like, and they come into contact with you and they react negatively, then the negative impact their reaction is the epiphany of being in your energetic field is what I've learned. Does that make sense? Yeah. So like, it's not, it's not that people necessarily hate you or they're envious of you or whatever. It's just they were in that vibration of envy when they came into contact with you. And then that triggered them to manifest like a negative comment or, you know, something else that's like that, you know, that, that outwardly expresses its negativity and it, you, it really just starts changing the way you even look at how events unfold in manifestation because it's no longer about, I don't know, like, I guess I'm going on a tangent, but I think what's where I'm trying to get to is with social media, right? Like, I've, I've always been somebody who has been, quote unquote, the nice guy for a very long time. Which then later I learned nice means ignorant. And that's why I was having a lot of ignorant experiences. When I stopped calling myself the nice guy, I decided to be the real guy, like honest 100 about everything. And then that allowed me to then evolve. And the truth of the matter is the, like, no matter what you do, it's almost fulfilling to just not be a liar to yourself. So like, for instance, I get people who send me negative comments on Instagram and I get into this thing where I'm not going to outwardly be mean to you, but I'm going to now agitate you to show you the flaw in your own thinking. So then I like to debate a lot. So when I end up getting into these conversations with people who like, are clearly not conscious enough of themselves to be aware of what's being said in a video or something like that. Then I debate them until their, their logic collapses upon themselves again. Like they, they almost contradict. They always contradict themselves, actually. And then in that process, at first I used to be afraid and I used to be like, oh my God, what if I, you know, have these debates with people online and it just ends up getting me canceled? And then it was like, you know what? No, because the honest, honest to God is not to allow people who are spreading misinformation or have a limited form of thinking to feel justified in walking away, that they're walking with the truth. Does that make sense?

Yeah, absolutely.

So, like, I'm not causing, I'm not giving them a service or the world of service by letting them walk away with ignorance. So even if it means that I have to trigger you so you can see your level of ignorance and, and show other people your level of ignorance, because I think that's the most important part of the equation is like other people can see those comments and that conversation in that debate. And then a lot of people will be like, oh, damn, Axel made a point like there is a flaw in this logic or whatever. And then always, always when the person gets challenged and they, they realize full circle that their, their original standpoints has a bunch of loopholes and like it just can't stand found. They all become the victim. Suddenly I, oh, I'm so glad that like, you were. You feel like you, you could take off all of your, your aggression on me. Like, you're not the victim. You came in here with negativity. I neutralized it. And because you didn't get the win, now you're a victim of the conversation that we're having. And it happens that way a lot of times. Like, like there's this common misconception that like shamans all have to be. Or shamans, the healers all have to be nice. Like the nice guy, you know, I. Person, you can talk to me and I don't have to like, hold my ground. Like, yeah, for, for people who are still on that journey. That's truth. That's what their life is. But people at like our level now, hell no. Like, we gain more power by shifting reality, by directly confronting your consciousness. And it. There's different levels of confrontation and you pick and choose your battles. But it's like black magic has forced me to acknowledge. I like to debate. I like to make them look stupid on the Internet. I also really enjoy, like, the. The energy behind it because it forces me to really think clearly on what I'm going to say. Make sure that every word is applied correctly. Do not, like, have any punctuation mistakes. Do not have any, like, grammatical errors of anything form so that you are presented clearly without any loopholes in your conversation. And it's made me a stronger debater. It's make me. Has made me somebody who can communicate more clearly when it comes to the sciences. And I think that's why people on the Internet respect me when I jump, like, when I throw things out there, even though they're, like, wild. Because even. Even sharing about black magic on Instagram and stuff like that. There's a lot of people who tell you, like, the regurgitated, like, get herbs, do this, do that. It's all energetic work. Like, if you really understand how consciousness works and your anatomy works, you can hack black magic in a ton of infinite ways. Because we live in an infinite universe. And that's the nature of God.

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. And I love the way that you are talking about that. You're practicing to not have any resistance, even in the tension, and then the way you're operating is. Is really next level. Because I can't say that I would behave the same way if I was in your shoes, because it's a difficult situation to be in, to be a content creator and have all these people come at you with their opinions and then having to refrain yourself from getting into every debate or battles.

Yeah, you pick and choose your battles.

Yeah, you pick it up.

See, you can also see, like, where your energy can get applied. Like, there's been so many times where I could chew out somebody and I feel it, like, do you even deserve, like, this energy right now? Nah, I'm gonna just do something else. You know what I mean? And it, like, I couldn't. I didn't have that level of control doing light magic for the longest time, being like a super angry person myself. And like, like I have fire. I like to get in fights, basically.

Yeah.

Like, I couldn't do that with. Is white magic. And that's. That's. I guess that's the next point that I really wanted to point out earlier was true dark magicians. Coming back to what you said, like, they work in the shadows. You don't. You don't know that the puppeteer is there. They're puppeteering you, though. And then when you. When you practice black magic now, you can see the puppeteer, and that's what usually like freaks people out at first because it's like, oh like we're like in a false reality and like even what I think about light magic is not even completely true and, and blah blah, blah, blah.

Definitely. It's, it's basically the ones who understand themselves, their own darkness, the deepest are able to have the most self control and therefore power because they will flow and choose wisely based on what they understand to be kind of the most opportune moment within detention. Because the people who are able to excel compared to others are the ones who are going against what the 90% of the population is not doing. You know, going against what they're. Sorry, going against what they're doing. So we're, we're doing like the 10%. We're going after the 10% is what black magicians do is what shamans do is what we look at the loopholes, we look at what people are missing, the, the consciousness, the, the behaviors, reactions and all of that. And it always comes back to ourselves in the end. Because black magic will keep telling you you're weak. Here, work on it. You're flawed in this perception confronted. And if you don't confront it sometimes when you're practicing black magic, they will throw it in your face. Let's just create like they create a collapse or chaos in your reality. And that's why this is one of the reasons why, you know, it's, it's wise to have some sort of guidance traversing through this realm, some sort of a teacher, a guru who has more experience than yourself. Because yeah, that, that kind of stuff happens and it's not easy. That's why most people don't do it correctly.

But I think like the, like I got into, I got really deep into black magic because I had mastered onto high and, and mastered is very loose word, you know, I mean you were.

You were trained as a shaman when you're younger, so.

Right, right. But like at, when I was younger, I didn't like for instance, one of my divine powers by default is like death magic. I was, as a kid, I didn't, we didn't call it necromancy. I just knew how to manipulate the dead realms and stuff like that easily. Yeah. So when I got older, that's when I was like, oh, oh, oh. I've always been able to just do necromancy. You know what I mean? We didn't, when I was growing up, we didn't call it manifestation. It's just how worked, you know what I mean? Like everything's around you is alive, the plants are alive, the cosmos is alive. If you treat it with respect and you talk to it, it will respond. And then I grew up developing a relationship with the cosmos, like quite literally. And then that's kind of how I. Like, I've done black magic things. Like, I've. I've cursed people before I even knew formal cursing. Like when I was 16, the. The first curse I ever laid was because, like, my dad was drinking. He was being super abusive. I wanted to get back at him. And I heard a voice like, okay, grab this plant over here. Pull it. Like, pull one of the leaves. You know, like, say this prayer. Blow energy into it. You know, do this to that. And it gave me a whole instruction manual. I. And when it told me, okay, ready? Three, two, one, blow through the leaf, I blew. And in that instant, he was pulling out like a liter of fucking vodka and it slipped out of his hand. It was brand new and it shattered all over the floor. And it was like so instantaneous that I was, I thought to myself now as an as, as an adult, that cursed him, but I was doing that out of self defense because I knew that if he kept drinking, the night was going to get worse. So, like, is. Is that truly evil? And in, in that sense, like, am I what was talking to me? Like, you. Debatably, you could say it was a demon. You could say it was God. It was a voice. And I feel like it was like the. It. Like it was a spirit of the void itself. You know, it's like giving me instructions like the Akashic records. This is what you have to do to get rid of this problem.

Yeah.

And as I've grown, grown older, I've done like quantum, like, not quantum hypnosis, but I've done like traditional hypnosis with people who understand like, quantum physics and shit like that. Not to be confused with like, DeLorean's cannon's technique. But I've done these sessions where demons have come out of my consciousness and they have been linked to pivotal moments in my life when, like, one of them was when my dad had broken his neck and I was 8 years old. Like, in that moment, the. There was. Because astrology, when you do cliff offic astrology, it shows you that there's a demon accompanied by every angel. They're always in the same place together, like positive and negative. The demon that was drowning my dad was drowning him, while the angel is counter opposite was telling me, your dad's about to die. You need to go Ahead and like save him right now. He's not pretending is what got my dad to live. So, you know, I mean, like I responded to what that angel has said to me and I think about the alchemy behind it years later, and I'm like, okay, well that was supposed to happen to awaken like this hero energy in me as an eight year old, you know, I mean, and arguably my dad had generated a bunch of negative karma from all these different angles, which is like, no, duh, this angel or this, this demon, right, this angel slash demon came through and tried to drown him because he had summoned that himself. And then I look at like different things. The, the last piece I'll add here, it's like, I look at like how when you study black magic, it teaches you about demonology. So I was thinking about like my entire. When my dad would lose his, he'd be like, you're letting Satan in the house. Satan, Satan, like that was always his word. He never said Lucifer, the devil. He didn't say any of the other forms. It was always Satan. Well, okay, Satan is wrath. And my dad was really violent and he tried to kill people and stuff like that. So like I see the manifestation that I grew up in which was Satan, even though he was super devout religious to like, you know, his perception of the Christian God, which then made me feel resentful towards the Christian God because I'm like, if God's supposed to help you get past your demons and why the hell is he getting like possessed and like want to kill us all and do all these things, you know what I mean? So then I look at that like, my dad was an alcoholic. That's Beelzebub, the demon that makes men kill themselves with their own vices. My grandfather had had that connection. And it was only when I was doing like a really advanced like akashic transformation that I ended up realizing a contract that one of my ancestors in like the 1600s or something like that had done with the demon Beelzebub to let Beelzebub run through our veins so that he could, my, my ancestor could get something that he really wanted. So my grandfather, my great great great grandfather, you know how many times over, gave the family bloodline as an offering to get what he wanted. Which then I saw how it destroyed my father and his father and his father. And if it wasn't because I had learned black magic, that was coming for me too, you know what I mean? It's like, it's like I'd rather know.

Than not Know, that is such a good point, dude. Like, I, I'd rather know, like I'd rather know more truth about this reality, about the reality of humanity and how evil we can, we potentially could be and all the demons that have personified throughout the ages because of our own, you know, humanity, our own confusion between the darkness and the light and being hidden because being hidden or lied to, it's, it's not a great way to live. I just feel like you, you miss out on so much of quote unquote power or magic.

Like I think about how look at us like we don't wear black lipstick and we don't look super goth.

Yeah. You know, it's not what you think it is. It's, it's almost like never what you think it is. And that, that's, that's the fun part about shadow work black magic, like delving into the cult, you know, like it's, it just surprises you. It's, it's, it's interesting to me and it teaches so much the bloodline thing. Oh yeah, I was going to mention something else about in order to clear black magic, like what is it, you know, as, as shamans who can clear black magic, like, what does it require? What is it? What kind of training or like perception is required of you? Because if you don't understand darkness within yourself, and even the best way to understand darkness is probably looking at the, the trauma from your ancestral line within the family structure, the people who are closest to you. And sure, we can even go into romantic situations because it's. Those situations are the most triggering, intense and confrontational to our ego and requires us to grow, learned or continue to suffer. So understanding that inner darkness and the darkness around you, surrounding you is, I feel like it's pivotal. It helped me clear black magic and understand black magic at a higher level because I, I don't try to avoid it. I don't try to lie to myself when I see something that's undesirable or unhealthy or that is opposing, it's going against what I'm trying to manifest. I always kind of do my best to confront it, to investigate, to work through it. That's just what's coming through. What else, what other like comments do you have about that? Like, what is it it take for someone to be good at clearing black magic?

You can't rely on light, work by itself. And you, you can't rely on non. You, you can't rely on magic that's non pantheon, pantheological. So that are From Pantheon. So for instance, like there are certain curses that gods that are your friends, friends can remove. You know, I mean, then there are curses that you can remove because you understand the blueprint of it. There are curses that you can remove because that curse can't be in your vibration when your client comes to you in the first place. So like it, the moment your client is actually in a physical space with you, the curse is dissolved. You know, there's so many different ways that, that you can dissolve a curse is just where's your consciousness and what is your access point to be able to manipulate infinity to create that result. And that's why like curses at a super basic level, like, and that's what I really think about. It's so funny because when people come through and they're like, oh, I got a curse. Yeah, like that's some that you probably could have gotten rid of by yourself, to be honest, if you allowed yourself to explore how to remove a curse. Because in all reality, most people who try to do curses are doing it from an egotistic base. That egotistic base always has a flaw because it's ego. So like I could easily detach my client from the situation that, that was filled with ego. Because in reality, if, if it's, if I'm cursing you based off of envy, then that means there's a part of you that is in resonance with me being able to curse you through the channel that is envy. You know what I mean? So rather you may want to, you want me to be envious of you or you know, you, you are generating something else. I can't even think of another one because it gets so complex. But you know, it's always a resonance thing. So if I transcend my ego or you transcend your ego, the curse already breaks because that's an alternate reality you, you that still has to exist. And yeah, you are still cursing that alternate reality me, but it's not the me that just shifted into a new reality. So like they're the, the more lucid you are. Even when you think about curses are quantum manipulations. They're not just, you know, summoning spirits that are always gonna you up. Because at our level, we know how to create curses just because of how your psychology is engineered. Like the human. We understand the human experience so much that if we wanted to curse you, it would be something that's so complex that the average energy healer wouldn't be able to break because it's made from a multi dimensional standpoint. So unless you can View a bunch of elements at once, you're always going to miss something which will allow the. The curse to regenerate. And I've seen it happen in clients where, like, they literally regenerate the curse if you don't deal with it at its, like, full inception point. And the inception point isn't always the most obvious thing either. Like, sure, it looks like it's fear, but it could be a very specific fear, not just the energy of fear. And okay, we could say, okay, this specific fear is money. Yeah. But there may be a very specific event that. And then if you don't have the ability to recognize the complexity of, like, it might be something that I can't even trace. I have to, like, leave the whole entire tracing process on the side and just see what the happens. You're gonna allow the seed to always be there. That's how you remove curses, I guess. And you can't be afraid. You can't. You can't be like, oh, I'm afraid of demons. Oh my God, I'm gonna try to get rid of him. I'm developing my faith that demons are gonna totally 100 touch you. Like, that's even a thing. Like, you need to have this level of I wish a would. You know what I mean? And then let that. Let that energy just speak for itself. Because darker spirits respond to vibration. That's pretty much what it is. And then you need to be aware that ego, the reason why, like, light workers are super powerful still get up. Is because their ego is still in the equation somehow. And they'll be like, oh, yes, I am so one with God that nothing can touch me. I am invincible. Okay. I could use that statement to, like, screw you over if you're not actually speaking from a space of God, because God wouldn't have to justify not harming himself.

Yeah, exactly. The fact that you had to use that statement just. Just already means that you're not in a vibration of God. Totality, invincibility.

Yeah. You're trying to convince yourself of it. Yeah.

Why? You just are. You don't need to say anything. You are. Anyone who is confident is not going to go around and brag about themselves. You know what I mean? Like, there's no need for that. Anyone who is actually embodying the vibration, let's say intelligence, is not going to go around and tell people, I am smart. Smart, by the way, in case you didn't know, I have a master's in here. PhD in that. And like, that is so obviously you're Just in your shadow in a way.

Yeah. It's a lack of confidence which is not powerful anyway. Like in black magic it would make you dissolve like that identity of oh you know, I have, I have all these achievements and certificates and blah blah blah blah like to justify who you're. Nobody gives a about that. Like at the at the core experience of humanity, your degrees and all this other crap doesn't matter if you can't make a connection with anybody and if you can't make a long lasting echo of change with every interaction that you have with another individual. And you may not like always do it on purpose but like you start living from that place which like everything has an intention. Everything I do is going to make an echo in some way, shape or form. Let me be as clear as possible with what I desire so I can walk through the void without manifesting or creating egoic blocks to my full experience, my full divine expression. Because the experience is only be there based off of your divine expression. And I think that's why I really love black magic because it brings you to a state of wholeness. Like you end up realizing everything you've ever said to yourself is a lie. And like cool. You have to still interact with how that lie has created all these different illusions. And now you're okay to like create some. I can't even as I'm talking about it, like the energy is like taking over me and I can't really, I can't verbalize anymore. Cuz intense channeling that's coming through but it's so powerful, you know what I mean? It's like I don't. Why do I need to justify? I think that's why I get caught up because it's like why do I need to justify it? It's an experience. Experience. I know how to be in samadhi all the time.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And there's no yeah, there's not. You start to not have this like eagerness or desperation to have to justify until everyone is satisfied. You're just like, I don't need to. You just feel what I'm saying. If you're here, you obviously are seeking some learning, understanding and awareness in black magic. And whatever you're gonna get and whatever you can perceive is what it is.

Yeah, I think that's like. And I've noticed that with, with myself too is that that whole concept of you reach this level of pseudo apathy, it's not like you stop giving a about other people. It's just you recognize like some people don't give a about themselves enough to be grateful of the manifestation of them interacting with you in the first place. And that's not putting you in a. On a pedestal. It's just recognizing we're all divine instruments of the cosmos. So if I manifest myself being with Tony Robbins and I'm not like present for that, then the manifestation is going to slip right by me and I may feel like I didn't take the most, I didn't get the most out of the experience and there's always going to be some level of regret. But like true creation is like beyond that, you know?

Yeah. Like being able to really catch yourself, being able to check yourself, being able to evaluate and then transform yourself when you find there's too much resistance in that direction, certain direction.

So yeah, you stop justifying you, you stop justifying everything because you realize that by justifying everything we just said had is the problem.

Yes.

So if, why, why go through that whole conversation of all of that to explain that when we can just simply just not be in resonance with it?

Right, exactly, exactly. And then circling back to what you said about, you know, keeping yourself like it's, it's more about also like when you start to, you elevate your own energy and power and all of that stuff, you start to tap into bigger projects and then you start to realize as healers, shamans, alchemists, we are always helping people. So we need to also at some point be more selective. My energy is just as precious as yours and it's just as sacred as yours. So I don't want to waste my time, meaning I don't want to waste your time either. If this is not aligned mind, let's just call it a day. Seriously. Because I've got better things to do and I know you do as well. And that's kind of like my perception of late. I'm just like, it's not that I like or dislike you, it's just I don't feel a resonance and I need to be accountable to myself first and foremost. Otherwise I can't. Yeah. And I can't go after the bigger things if I'm constantly catering to other people's needs and desires and I'm just giving away my power, my energy, just like before. Then how can I say I have elevated and transcended if I'm not doing anything different?

Yeah, no, definitely. No, I agree. That's a good conversation. I think it's like, really, this is an honest to God pure experience, definition and a testing, a testament to what black magic actually is and what we're not saying. Like, get into it. If that's not your flavor, if you're not ready for that, you're not ready for that.

But be honest.

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Thank you for having me.