40 - Network State Conference 2024 - Fireside with Pieter Levels and Balaji

Oh, one second. Is that a. Make your Brady get ahead. Oh, I love this. Is this the EUAC executive? I love it. Okay, you're ready on bass. Beth will love this. It's inspired by Beth. All right, that's great. That's great. He's a mutual friend. I look, I'm a huge fan of Europeans. I'm not even wearing. The only problem is actually. All right, well, I. I want to poke at this a little bit. You know what? This symbol that you have here is symbol of the eu. Yeah. You probably don't like the eu, right? Exactly. That's right. So this is like saying, I don't know, make the game be great again. Right? We can block off the J flag. Thank you very much. Be wet for one second. Here we go. This is not. But it is for Europeans, who I love very much. So Europeans is for you. All right, here we go. And certainly you are doing your one man army job to put European tech on the map. And it's funny because just sort of like that right there. Caught a few themes that I think about and talk about, but many people in the audience know you are from Twitter. We actually are in cell sets for almost 10 years indirectly. Right. You want to talk about that? Well, you've seen me pop up on Twitter. I've seen you pop up on Twitter. You're much bigger. But we used to tweet about similar stuff. Slightly different, but about the changing future of the world. I talk a lot about China, the rise of Asia and stuff. I've been in Asia a lot. Like, I've been nomadic in Asia for almost a decade and stuff. And now I live in Europe, in Portugal. But I know Asia very well and I've always been kind of annoyed by like once you go to Asia first time and everything is like building things like beautiful solar content. You go back to Europe and you're like, why can't we do that? Right? And everybody has this Frenchness about Asia that is core, that is how the mellows. And like you put one flight for them to Singapore, to Bangkok or Vietnam or to a city, right? It's like, wow. Yeah. And then you talk about China in a positive way, about their development, not about other stuff. There's a lot of problems. And they immediately go for like, yeah, but what about this? And they're always right. But it's basically something where it is. It's like saying, oh, the X axis is high. Well, what about the Y axis? These are different axes and Right. It's basically they're Using the moral card because they know that things are good on the economic axis. Right? Yeah, they're right. And what I always say is like United States, like 200 years ago, there was a lot of fraud, there was slavery around the time. So there's a lot of. Everybody had. So everybody had every culture. We don't get. One thing I wanted to just talk about is 10 years ago, one of the things that you and I both saw and I think it's just massively amplified today, even 10 years later, it's just the unbundling and bundling. That's why actually what I put on screen there is how digital nomads enable network states, which on the one hand is obvious if it said. But it's not that obvious because nomads are solitary and they roam around. But humans need groups and you can't do everything yourself. And they need companions and snap. It might be a regroup. So you actually ran a survey which I thought was amazing. I go back and I look at that actually every once in a while of all the people on your various apps. So I have all these users and I do a lot of things. They talk to each other, they do meetups. I have one physics page. It was inspired by OkCupid. They had these dating statistics back in the day. They removed that. They got acquired by Mets.com but those were very interesting statistics. The difference in men and women nomads, the political differences, what people eat, like you need meat, RDF kind of stuff. One thing that jumped out to me when looking at the data as we were just talking about is something that was obvious to me upon reflection, but it just wasn't part of my a priority model going in, which is there's very few conservatives who are digital nomads. I mean, duh, because they're all either liberals or libertarians, right? Yeah, but that's just not the degree of it. The quantity of green data surprised me. I don't know what surprised you about that data because actually, well, in this case the political difference between men and women was like, I think somewhere like 75% of women. These genomics are very progressive, so feminist thought. And the men are like it's very libertarian or conservative. About 45% are progressive. Big difference there. So the men, that means that are under the difference in the women. Actually I don't have to calculate them. So the women that leave their country are different than men, for example. I brought some other data because it's hard to remember all the data. You know, I love this. I Pull out the citations every podcast. You guys know, podcast in unit. So about nine years ago, I did a presentation on digital nomads And I predicted 1 billion digital nomads in 2035. And people called me crazy. Then Covid happened and now people call me less crazy. So now about 1/3 of the world works remotely globally and about 3 billion people work in the world. So there's 1 billion people work remotely now in 2034. I think that's very, very good. About 10 to 3%. Those are the enormous. So about 100, 200 million people are the nomads now on and off. Not full time, but they work in other countries and they're on. Which I think it's amazing because when we started 10 years ago, a lot of people were already doing it, but it was micro subculture, you know. And now it's massive digital jobs. Most men dilemmas are software developers. Most women work in marketing. 66% of the youngest are stable. And I think that's interesting because dating is very hard for the part of the deal. Yeah. So two parts are nursing. I think it's because it's related to network state. Like there is no physical. There is physical ops now, right. You have Bali, Mexico, Thailand, all these places. But people are still limited by visas. For example, like you can leave a country after 30 days or 90 days. So you just leave. You can't start friendships, you can't start relationships. They've got now more of these digital home indies that's been. It's still amazing, right? As a starting house. Are they poor, for example? Are they like backpackers? No, they're super high income. They make like $125,000 per year on average. 90% are university educated, 24% have a master's degree. It's good for network states to attract these people, right. Because they're already mobile. They are hycum. I know you don't like text, but I think if a network is wanting taxes, it's a lot of money, right? 125k. It's a lot of money for text. Well, actually that's the thing though. A deal is if you think of a country as a platform, like a developer platform, use Apple, use Google. And you do pay attach to that platform because it gives you more than you would build on your own. If that's a fear of guilt, you're actually signing the social contract. By entering that jurisdiction, you're doing so consciously. I think that's fair. Right. As long as you actually have choices. And so there Actually is benefit of course to countries to bring in these kinds of people. Yeah, I think so. I think especially now because in the Europe you see a brain drain. So if you want to start a startup in Europe, you move to the uk, to US or to Asia. You don't do Europe because it's too hard, there's too much regulation. That's why I make this hand, to make Europe and make it better for startups. So they will move out. I still like yours in my. They would move back to Europe and we would make it better in Europe. I think it's always better to iterate on what you have to reset from zero. I mean, obviously you have more granularity than I do. But I think there are still some decent spots or actually rising spots even in Eastern Europe because they're doing very well. Because they have the right balance I think of, and this is the balance, I think that's in this room of they experience communism, they don't want that, but they're also, you know, they haven't gone like totally the other way or what have you. And so that's like a good balance of, you know, having to, you know, calm head on their shoulders and being pro capitalist and you know, all this kind of stuff. Well, you always see immigrants in the U.S. they're like super anti, you know, communist or what. They're like, no, no, I don't want that. Again, Eastern Europe, it's not so Europe. They've got antibodies after a century of this stuff. Actually, so does South Asia to some extent or India, so does actually China, so does Russia, so does Latin America. Now like Kelly doing what he's doing is because they see what drugs and inflation do to a country and they don't want that. Right, Keep going. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, so tell people. I mean there's actually many ways in which you are sort of an emblem of this era. Here's a few of them. Right. First being that's an AI generated photo. Yeah, that's right. My name's Gronlobaz. It's just close enough to maybe be stylized, but yeah, it's the early algorithm. So it sounds good. Much better now and you should definitely try it. I thought they'd be more representative actually in some ways. Right. I thought this would be more representative of. Yes, it is. But I think people photos are getting better so people don't see anymore what is AI, what isn't. And I see my face more and more in AI photos because they look a little better, you know, in real Life and including one article. So. Well, okay, so a few things. First is A, you are just like you are the sovereign individual, right? Like incarnate. Okay. You've helped other people become sovereign individuals. B, you're like the one man machine developer. The thing I don't understand and this is the thing everybody needs to maybe you've talked about this secret is how do you. You've got like num. You've got remote. Okay. And photo AI. You've got several other apps. Mooting IMs. Yeah, a lot of AI apps. I mean these are, you know, it's a pain to maintain stuff. Anything that's working, that's billing, people are blasting customer support requests and so on and so forth. So what do you do? Well, first of all, it's not perfect, like especially now, like you're still a one man guy. Yeah. And you want server guy manual. It's not perfect. Okay, fine, tune in now. I understand. So he ultimately gets a line into Serpentize, which he doesn't really does. Linux upgrades and stuff. Security is very important, right? Because if you want to show you can do scrappy, but you can't do security. Wrong. It's very important. You have user data, it's very important. But generally I like to keep it scrappy. I like to shoot fast and I think because it's PHP and it's really code, nothing really changes. So PHP will operate for example from 7 to 8. We have to change some stuff. Professional language. And I'll study this great post on Slack Engineering several years ago which said php. Yeah, yeah. It was like if you ask any engineer about php, they'll know two things. First, it's a horrible language and should never be used. Second, it powered at one point Facebook, like Wikipedia, blah, blah. Some of the large sites on the Internet use PHP now. I've been hip hop and so on and I'm not saying I actually don't know what the state of PHP is today, but there's something nice about having everything in one file so you know, you can move it to different files. You know, you can start in one file, which is easy and you can still horrible. And it's weird and all this kind of thing, I don't know because I don't. So I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I'm always surprising. But I write quite clean codes and you can write very vanilla. I like to write vanilla and I slowly improve it. But I figure I use cursor a lot. I use a lot of AI stuff now to Write codes. So how do you look the hard part to me about maintaining let alone one app, but quite a few of these actually pretty good apps. Some of them like Nomad List, I get it because it's sort of a static site, but it's a D to heavy stack site. A lot of data cleaning. Again, I do a lot of. I do all the manual data stuff like that's like grind mode on these spreadsheets. Yeah. I mean you don't need to update a lot. Like you update every year. For example, you get new data from World Bank. Right. Or imf. You go to data, you normalize it, you change stuff, you put it in. You know, those like you, there's, you know, passport index dot com. Yeah, very good website. Awesome website this is. Go ahead. Yeah, I love the. It's very cool. It's simple, but it's actually deceptively hard. And you're like, how hard could it be to maintain the pass rate? Well, actually if you have 200 countries, 200 squared, you have, you know, 40,000 cells. I have the same part of visas. I have the visa filter. Like I'm from the Netherlands and I have a girlfriend from Germany. Which countries can I visit? Yes, well, the visa stuff changes every few months. The European Union is added to three countries. So this is another thing that you're on the frontier of that I think is very important. Which digital passports are what come after digital currency and all these different pieces of identity. Like for one thing, a scan of your passport just doesn't cut it anymore as an identity thing because AI can take that. Right. For everything. All identity owns, cryptography for everything. People are changing locations so much that something that I have to think about, like my documents, whatever. It's like how many days can I stay in this country and move around and so on. Right. So have you thought about a product in that area? You know, I do. It is. So I send my robot sends you a message. If you become tax liable in the next 30 days, you add your trust me. And I think a lot of people, they say, dude, this feature is the best because just before the 180 days or the 90s, wherever sent you a message, get out of the trust because you're going to be tax hybrid. People really love that. Do you show a cause of perpetual traveler? No, it's related to this actually. You can do the calculation. This would be a fun app. Basically, if you're not resident more than X number of days of a country, you're not like a tax register yet. So if you have like six countries that you do a circuit through like every 60 days, then you're not a tax resident of any of that. True, but how are you going to maintain a relationship as a person? I think it's a problem. Of course, of course, of course, of course that's a problem for somebody who's in their 20s, over 26. So I talk to a lot of people here, a lot of people are like talking about let's move to Puerto Rico because they have zero percent tax. For me, it's always like, I think you want to live in a place that's actually nice to live firstly with your friends near you, where the economics are only a benefit. After that you pay first service. And then if they have nice tax benefits or they want to attract like digital homeless or something, you can add that. But it should be a really cool place to live. And already I began. It's hard to like change the place where you live to a cool place. It is not, you know, I haven't been to Puerto Rico, but I live in Portugal and we live now, like I've seen these reserves here. We live with like I moved all my friends essentially to beach villages on the Portuguese coast. So we all live in these villages and it's nice. Have your friends five minutes near you. You can walk just as everything's changed. So this actual building and our school and so on. Actually one of the things I want to do is work with your community of all digital nomads. And so I've got this paper I'm going to publish which I, you know the Sorting Hat from Harry Potter. Okay, well, I thought it appealed to the Gen Z ish or whatever. Yeah, I know what I mean. Like Harry Potter is just a little bit younger than I was headed up. Basically there's this thing in Harry Potter called Sorting Hat and you put it on and it tells you what house of wizards you belong to. And so I have this concept called the ideology vector where you get a vector of, let's say minus N plus N. Actually if you go to ns, it'll calculate it for you and you get a vector of minus and plus N on nuclear power, let's say. And you put in your opinions. Minus 10 on nuclear power, minus 10 on Lee Kuan Yu, minus is plus 10 on, you know, Dubai, etc. Right. And this actually gives a lot of signal. After about 50 to 100, you know, measurements, you start clustering people by other people who bound. Ah, interesting. Right. And this comes from something called spatial theory of Loading. Okay. Or I'm just applying this, but it's much more granular than Democrat, Republican, or. I think it happens organically with the dhuloma. It's like they move to places that are kind of like their body, right? Yes. Like the people that. The Dynams in Bangkok are very different than Bali Bali. They're more like. They want more like Westernized. Like, Canggu is a very. Like a Western kind of little village. Bangkok is very tiny with some Westerners, and it's like a different Persona that wants it. Right. So we can do an inversion where you can move to a place where there's people of your vibe, or you can find people of your vibe online and then move. Yeah, right. And so now we can do both. During COVID you saw this happening where you had, like, different types of nomads. You had like ski nomads. Right. Like people moved to ski villages in the US During COVID Just go snowboard and work remotely. So I think it's very cool. Ten years ago, we had this nomad scene and we were all like, wow, this is so cool. And then it starts splitting up quickly. It's very cool. That's happening because one of the big points in the network state book is that there is a second map of the world. There's a map of the land and there's a map of the cloud. Right. And so proximity, you can have somebody who's very close visibly, but you don't know that. And now we're seeing somebody who's 3,000 miles away. They're very close to your social networks then. Right. And so all four possibilities are possible. They could be close and you know them. They could be close if you don't know them and vice versa. And one of my big theses is it's not really a thesis, but it's like it's less visible to people because we don't have great maps of the cloud. We're only starting to just get these opensteam social networks like Farcaster Lens and Nostra and so on, where you can actually make these graphs without going through Twitter and Facebook's API. Right. But when you make these graphs, you see the tribes you're talking about. Yeah, this rich speaker, I think. Yeah, show this math types was completely accurate. And I think that's what's happening for sure. And it's interesting because I'm in Europe and like, he did like, I think it was some negative tribe in Europe. And I agreed with him. It was like, yeah, it's interesting Like, I feel when I leave Europe, I feel it's more ambitious in other place now. But that's kind of like a tribe, right? Like, it feels more ambitious in Asia. Yes. People think of Chanti's Law in Europe, your northern European issue. Oh, that's like, nah, this is like a Swedish thing or something like that. Or Danish where it's like, oh, you think you're better than us? Yeah. And a high brow thing also. Yeah, for sure. If you start a business there, like I said, you partner, like, they usually look for the problems. If you start a business in Asia, you. They're much more like, yeah, let's start a business. All right. This is a tribe as well, so I'm honored to agree. And I think it's very cool. I think networks is very cool. Like, I always disagree with you on the final part of network state, because you write in the book, like, the final part is sort of community aligned. For example, the final part is like the physical, like you actually declare a state. And I'm always like, bro, what are you thinking? Like, come and show up. Okay, okay, let's talk about that. Let's go. And the crypto part. I own crypto, you know, but I'm not like, yeah, I don't use it a lot, so I'm not completely convinced yet about the. Oh, my God, it's virtual. But like, like, I met a guy here who wanted to start a network between Egypt and Sudan, like Maxim, who got it. And I'm like, yeah, but you need both to kind of like you and let me steal, man. I actually want to engage in school, go a little bit over. I want to steal this one. I said, yeah, okay. So first of all, the military part, basically, you know, going back to Locke and many other thinkers, the justification we see was protection of property rights, right? Eyes of guns. Why is this land yours? Why is this property yours? But an alternative way to protect property is cryptography, right? We have how many divisions does bitcoin have? Stalin has the Pope. How many divisions has the Pope? Meaning the Pope is weak. The Pope just has influence. But how many divisions has bitcoin? It has a trillion dollars without armies, right? But it has long division, right? And subtraction, addition, multiplication. And it's cryptography, right? And that is a completely new way to protect property. And it's protecting billions of dollars. And actually it will become the only way to protect property. In case by argument of that, cryptography is a border that can't be busted like that. Say all borders. The only defense all borders are cryptographic borders. Actually, in a sense, only two groups in the world that really think deeply about Internet borders, in my view, and those are in very different ways, China and crypto. Because China thinks about the great firewall and crypto thinks about blockchain. And those are both things that say, hey, Internet territory is actually really, really, really important. And how do we protect it and really take it seriously? And the rest of the world doesn't. And that's why I think that's what persists. Now, to your point about the military, basically, you see there's a famous photo of Nelson tank on top of the tank. And so, okay, so at the end of the Soviet Union, Yeltsin was standing on top of the Soviet tank. That didn't fire on him. Okay, why didn't it fire on him? Because media had come in through the eyes and ears of soldiers. Right. So what's upstream of the gun? But it's the power created by the cryptography and by the ownership and the possession. If you ask the question of who's upstream of what, the most obvious question is, oh, the military is a true crafting, but actually not in every society because someone has to, like, if you ask the question if wasn't true, you really get to media and money because money is upstream of media and that because you're funding journalists, you're funding newspapers, you're funding outlets, and that influences others. The media is upstream of money because it influences what people invest in and so on. So that's this sort of snake eating its tail kind of thing at the top. There's a totally different theory of the world that says, oh, actually it's upstream, it's military strength, and so on and so forth. And that's the traditional theory of the world. Now, I'm not saying there isn't any merit to that, but I am seeing that if you look at, for example, people kneeling during, you know, like the military police kneeled, for example, in the riots of 2020, something had gone in through their eyes and ears that didn't matter how many guns they had. And so, you know, when you have something like a religious movement, when you have something like a, like a cryptocurrency movement, when you have something like a spiritual movement, then there's no defense against that. Yeah, and it's stronger than any physical power would be. The other piece of it is basically that, you know, if you're a 5G war, 5G war is war, that it's not even detected as war. Like, actually the US Military but at the time, same thing from. Oh gosh, it was like, I'm going to forget the YouTube reference. It had a YouTube which starts with like a ghost and it talks about like how the military is actually a ghost and they're doing these. I'll tweet the video after this. Okay. But it got like 700,000 views and essentially it showed the progression of war. This is the most military produced video and it started with horsebacks and knives and so on. And at the end, the last stage as it goes to scrolling the feed. So the reason that that's important to them is. And I'll make one more. Couple more analogies. Basically, let's say you've got 100 soldiers who are. Let me talk. Let's say there's 100 drones that are coming at you. You can shoot each one one by one or you can hit a button and hack the drones or even turn them back on their cinder. That would be the best. Right? Okay. So there's 100 soldiers coming towards you. Yeah. You can kill each one one by one if you absolutely have to. But so much better to have some pamphlet that goes through their eyes and ears, drop their weapons or even say, oh, you know, we're gonna turn on the other military. Right? Yeah. That's why like upstream. That's why people say the penis. Why? I don't know which country was it the guy. The guy didn't want to last elections, didn't want to give up. Right? Yes. And after all this is, what's going to happen is that the military is going to be like, ah, let's. It's obvious it's windy error. Yes. Getting reward this time. But I see what you mean. And here's why I say that my view is like in the 20th century, what happened was Europe was the center of the world at the beginning of the 20th century, especially British Empire. And then they just smashed themselves, pieced up into giant world maps. And the guys from the border, Russia and America ended up taking control of the world after that. Right. That was the Cold War. And what, what I think is happening this century is you have the US and the west that are the centers of the world and they're basically beating themselves up and they're destroying their currency. And we're on the beginning of this Fed rate cut and we're going to see what happens after that. SUV USD is zooming. If you saw that, lots of things are zooming. So we may be on the precipice of something big. And I think on the other side of that there's two factions which are the centralized faction in China and Russia, the nationalists and so on. And that's like all the traditional stuff people know works. It's gold, it's tangible, it's minerals, it's mining, it's powerful in its own way. But then there's kind of our group of people. I think I respect the power of the military and some of those guys exist. But our group of people are media, money, it's agility, it's the Internet. Right. The Internet versus China is as the dust settles, what I think happens by 2040. So it's an asymmetric rather than symmetric kind of conflict. Let's call it that. Yeah, I agree. I think we're seeing happening with Twitter, with X is the first thing where they're trying to block. They block X in Brazil, now they're trying to block X in Europe. It's the original blazing list which require exo. I think if Elon keeps up, you let X be a big platform where there is inclusive power and information. X is so important. You know one thing that I'll just say, I was going to say a couple of thoughts. I know we're going over, we're going to go over for a few more minutes because conversational conditions. So, you know, sometimes people say, oh, why do they just rise up in the Soviet Union? Why do people just rise up? And the reason that that isn't actually well thought through is you can think of, you know, how a body works with cells like neuromicellular organs. All these cells cooperate. There's a nervous system, endocrine system, all these things coordinate those cells. And when they get out of whack and it's cancer or what have you, there needs to be communication, coordination, resource allocation. Exactly. This arm is getting this blood and nobody's filtering the nervous system. Right. There's no sensor. Nervous system. Exactly this. Right. And to say, oh, why doesn't this cell rise? It needs actually imagine a new state arising as like a human body, a giant human being formed. Like Voltron. Yeah, that's a deep cut. Okay, so Voltron, it's like five robots come together to make an even more giant robot. So that's what a state is. It is a bunch of humans that go snap, snap, snap into things and give to each other. So they've got a coordination mechanism. They've got something to put them together. It's not an amoeba. It's actually capable of goal directed behavior. And for something like that, you Need a way to have that thing form such things as you see doesn't cut into pieces and stop it from forming. Right? Yeah. So encryption is that. Encryption is the border that can't be busted at its knee. It's the actual brick wall that no amount of violence can solve a certain amount of math problems or certain kinds of math problems can't be solved with violence. That's Assange's WordPress. So anyway, my friend Oscar, he works in the CK Snark, zero knowledge stuff, zero proof. I'm always trying to understand what he's doing and I think understand because it's like a. You don't want to show what's inside. Yes. Yeah. Anyway, I think it's very cool and I think that is another key thing because she's new to speech being conducted now. And that's another thing about Europe. You tell your friends in Europe about like that this is happening and they're like, well, they did say like kind of the wrong stuff. You know, they really don't understand shit based level speech. And I think that's maybe the education is a bigger problem. Well, here's the thing is when you, if you know what happened in like Eastern Europe and you know, the unoccupied territories after World War II, it's not like they announced one day, okay, we're going to start, you know, like gulaging everybody. I mean actually the level of red terror obviously dropped off in World War II, but they would announce Eastern Europe, okay, you're all slaves, you know, you have five minutes to get out. The Berlin Wall was only built in 1961. And you know why it was built? Yeah. Not outside of war. No. You know why? Why? Because there was a. So this, actually this is the type of stuff that I want to make AI movies about. This is the kind of stuff we're going to do at the network school. We're just going to take all these historical episodes and make really nice short vertical videos. Open content. Right. These are the bounties. But to explain this concept, basically after the end of World War II, there's a weird. If you know like how lava flows and it just freezes in circulation. The volcano doesn't move for years, then it freezes when it moves. The way the Soviet and American and Western troops had lined up was like a frozen lava thing with a weird idiosyncrasy where the allies of the west had West Berlin and the Soviets had East Berlin and Eastern. So there's a little pocket of Allied territory within. Right. And so this was a loophole where you could get out of communist countries by just going into Berlin and getting into West Berlin. And everybody was using this loophole because nobody wanted to be a slave under communism. Because that's what communism, it's slavery. It's 100% taxation and slavery. That's what communism is. And so all these people who didn't want to be slaves, they went to the, you know what the site of what became the Berlin Wall. They went to West Germany and then the eastern East German said, you know what they called the Berlin Wall? The anti fascist protective barrier. So it's always framed as oh, we're defending ourselves. And so we have the same shift. Same shift. The reason did you know when I was kids, the mechanic of kid in our house he fled he wall and it was like mines of grand told the story this German guy from East Berlin and it's crazy. Have you seen this literature? I think is we should talk more about this. There's a few things I think could be very helpful for you. First is it's literally a human right to be able to exit, to leave, be able to leave your country. Second is all divorce regimes have reduced the brain tanks. Can I interrupt though? Because when I was leaving Holland, because I was 10 years ago, I was in Asia a lot and I had to kind of like de register from Holland or something out there. And I remember how scared I felt about it. Like I would be some international vigilante, you know. And I met a guy in a nightclub. In a nightclub? Yeah, I have like a secret gumpy or something. I was like dude, you're like some, you know, you're like a criminal. It looked like a criminal to me because I was Dutch and we do things, you know, according to the rules. And I thought if it's like kind of illegal, like you're kind of strange and you would be traveling the world as well. And now I'm the same also the super company. But there's a fear made by governments for a reason of a lot of these things leaving your country Europe is a lot of exit taxes. They're already interested. You know, there's a lot of things happening to try to get people in your countries. Basically I think one of the highest value things you can do in my view, not just for your users, for yourself and the world is start building crypto wallets into your products because they're cross border, they're self sovereign for people. They strive to set up crypto. Right? Yes. USDC on Solana finally solves micropayments, like. Yeah. And you can do it on something called base. I always get questions. People kind of pay with crypton. Well, you can get like a Coinbase card or something. It's hard to. Because I need to run stripe and I need to run, like, craniac. It's hard to have multiple things you should evaluate every three or six months. But it is across the chasm to the point that you can do a celebrity at sand. So, like, if you set up a phantom wallet, a kid can just get a bank account and sit back. And sometimes when I get on strike, like, enable payment message. So I think that would be very cool. Okay, so we'll talk much more. But basically, you know, Peter, I think of you as your Mr. AI. You're Mr. 1. You're making products that a lot of. So a towering individual, somebody who's facilitating people's exit, a digital nomad early on, AI man of the hour. So thank you very much, Peter. Thank you for having me.