S1 E11 - Behind the Lens with Terralogical

Virtual photo shoot?

Yeah, like a virtual photo shoot. Really? Love. Beautiful.

What is a virtual photo shoot? And at the end of the night, like probably about 9:30, all the bridal party stripped naked and we jumped into the swimming pools. Then a bunch of the guests followed. So we had probably like 40 guests in the pool completely naked.

This way in the office, I would see like suddenly, you know, from the bunch of photos, then suddenly I say like, why are all the guys like.

You didn't know that?

I didn't know that. I'm not. I'm not going.

You would have come to the wedding day?

Yes, you should.

I don't think you quite understand what we do on a daily basis because sometimes he'd be messaging us just through the day, random questions. I'm like, I can't do this right now.

We've just got a billing. Can you approve this? Hey, this one's over. I'm like, I'm busy. I'm like. So we took him to a wedding and he was like, oh yeah, I get it.

Hi and welcome back to another episode of Bali Weddings Unveiled. My name is Britta and I'm joined by Tristan. Yay.

And today's episode, we're going to be diving into all things photography with one of our favorite photography companies on the island, Terra Logical. Thank you for joining us.

Thank you for inviting us.

Absolutely. Now before we get started, we do need to make a quick note of our sponsor for our beautiful flowers today. These came from Nata Florist. Gorgeous. We do use them for a lot of weddings, so. Thank you, Nata. So today, please introduce yourself.

The hardest question of the day. Names. Tell us about you.

Yeah, I'm Iress. I'm one of the leaders, a photographer in terrological. I've been joining theological for almost 10 years now.

Wow. Just a little while.

Just a little while.

I can see why you've worked your way up now.

I'm Irene. I'm the relationship manager in theological. I've been with theological for eight years now.

Wow, I didn't realize you've been there that long as well.

Yeah, it's been quite long time and.

Obviously we deal with you behind the scenes. Explain to us what a relationship manager does.

So I deal with everything that the photographer doesn't want to deal with.

People like inquiries and like answering questions. Just kidding. Not that the photographer doesn't want to deal with, but like they don't have time to deal with it because they.

That's what our GM does. He does all the stuff I don't want to do.

Yeah. Because they'll be on the fields and then they wouldn't be able to respond to questions as quick as, you know, we would. So we'll be on standby whenever there's questions and we would answer them if there's feedback.

Yeah.

If there's things. Yeah.

I think that's something really important to note because some of the smaller companies that we deal with, they take a long time to reply because they don't have a.

You.

They don't have a pretty. The photographers are answering the emails and that's something we've discussed so many times.

Yeah.

A lot of our.

Yes.

More.

They do their own admin.

Yeah.

And when you're out at weddings, you don't have time to do that.

Exactly. You can't. You can't like, you know, taking pictures of the bride and like, you know, replying to stuff. It's difficult to break the concentration also.

Right.

Yeah.

That's why we have her.

Who we love, because we get to. We get fast replies, first of all, which is amazing. And tell us a little bit about terrological. How long has Terror Logical been running for?

Okay.

Is it 15, 16 years? Yeah. When I joined, it was 10 years.

Wow.

So I guess it's been 17.

Yeah. It's almost 15 years.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think so.

So a long time. And Terrological runs Bali and Jakarta, don't they?

Yes, we do. Since the pandemic, we run Jakarta as well, but we also go to Singapore, Thailand.

Wow.

Wedding shoot. Yeah.

Random question, like, what are the legalities? Legalities?

Legalities.

I'm working in those other countries for Singapore.

We have a partner now, so we do have a partner to branch out in Singapore.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right. Amazing. And we work with you a lot. So what do you think you would. How would you describe your style of photography from terrological?

Basically, the style of terror photography is more of a candid kind of style with a bit of touch of editorial, documentary kind of stuff now. So, yeah, most of our clients doesn't like to be posed.

Yeah.

Yes. They're just so many.

Yeah. They just want to enjoy throughout the day and everything.

So, yeah, a lot of people just want to be told where to go sometimes as well. It's like, okay, stand there.

The amount of times I've looked at a bride on a wedding day and you can just see her like. I'm like, are you done with photos? You're done? She's like, yes. I'm like, okay, great. You can speak and tell us that you're done with photos. Yeah, yeah. We're getting more and more requests for candid these days, I think.

Yeah, yeah.

And what do you think makes a good photographer? There's a lot of photography companies on this island, and we tell our clients there's, like, a couple of amazing photographers, and then there's a lot of good photographers, and then the rest are.

What do you think makes a good photographer?

I think the one that really care actually about their crafts and what they're doing is wedding photography is not just like, people come to the venue and then bring the camera and then shooting.

Yeah.

It's also about they caring about the clients. They, they, they. They can feel at the wedding as well. I mean, in a way, and then capture. Because at the end of the day, the photography, like.

Things that really matters.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. You do need to love, I think, weddings in the industry because you're capturing a whole story, not just a photo shoot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And how would you say shooting in Bali differs to some of the other locations in that you work with in the world? I guess.

Bali have a really good.

Golden light, if I can say, like, golden hour. Golden hour, yes. Yes. Correct. Yeah. That makes a ballet.

Have a different mood when you have that time to shoot the couples and maybe all the guests as well during the cocktail time.

Yeah.

Some of the photos we get back from cocktail hour.

Stunning because all the.

Guests are also dressed up and they, you know, it looks beautiful with the Bali scenery as well at the time.

Do you have a favorite venue to work in in Bali?

I mean, you could see them all.

Do you have a favorite or a top three?

Personally, yeah.

I love Uluwatu area. It's not just because, you know, close, but they have a really beautiful golden hour area through the cliffs and everything. So, yeah, personally, I love Uluwatu area.

Yeah. Is there a particular venue in Uluwatu that you like the most?

One that has not many stairs or.

Yeah, maybe that one as well.

Yeah.

Or maybe you have, like an elephant to go down to the beach if you have a cliff by wings.

We just had this discussion in the car a couple of days ago because Emma, one of our newer girls, she was asking me what my favorite venue was, and I was like, so many. But she's like, are there any venues you don't like working at? And I said, oh, there is, but they're not for any particular reason apart from the fact that I don't like the stairs. And I literally said to her, Kyungan Estate. Gorgeous. I hate the amount of stairs and the up down, because there's so many levels. Like for us, we're constantly walking up and down. And then. Do you know what happened yesterday? We haven't done a wedding at Kyang in years. My sales girl messaged, tristan, I just booked you a wedding at Kyangan. Of course you did.

Love the venue because it's beautiful, but I hate the stairs.

Yeah, yeah. Kyangan's very beautiful.

It's gorgeous. It's a gorgeous venue.

It's just.

It's exhausting.

Yeah. For this. Yeah. I love Kayangan as well. Yeah.

Any other venues out that way you love?

For now, Uluwatu Surro Villas.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Because we know how to work really.

Really. At the.

That's always my favorite.

Yeah, yeah. Favorite.

Yeah. Uluwatu Surf Villas. They won't work with outside wedding planners because they've got their own in house, so.

Yeah, that's true. Yes. But they have really beautiful.

What about the grass? I've heard the grass is really uneven, though.

At Uluwazu Sur Villas. At. The grass like to put tables on there is really hard because the grass.

The ground is not really that flat. Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's the only thing for the cocktail. So they cannot really put maybe table set up.

Yeah.

And just mingle around. Yeah. Because the ground is not flat.

But the photos in Uluwatu Survilla always. It always looks like, you know, the Bali Cliff epic vibe.

Because it's like, really? What's that venue you did that big wedding at with Jerome and Karen? I loved that venue.

Bayou Sabah.

Yeah. I really. That one very barley staff were a little bit to deal with.

That's just our response to anything.

But the villa itself was beautiful and the photos we got were gorgeous.

Yeah, that was beautiful. Yeah. A little bit dated, I think, the rooms, but still beautiful. Just barley, you know.

Are there any areas of barley that you don't like working at because it might be a little bit more difficult?

Not really.

Yeah, not really.

Yeah, Everywhere.

Yeah, everywhere.

I've got a wedding coming up at a new venue, actually. Have you been to Parlour Ubud yet?

You know, you've got Pala Uluwatu, right. Part of Pandawa Cliff Estate Parlor.

Yeah.

The owners, they've opened up one in Ubud.

It's stunning.

I've got my first wedding there next week. It's going to be gorgeous.

No, we don't know.

It'd be nice. For me, something different because I'm so used to doing all the like, very high end beach weddings and the cliff weddings. So going into the jungle, I'm a little bit excited about that.

There's a lot of greenery at the background.

Yeah, yeah. It's a different vibe.

Different vibe, yes.

Yeah, definitely. Is there anything that you guys wish couples knew before they booked a photographer about style, about lighting, about the costings, about the amount of work that goes into it?

I think it'll be great if they know, they really know what style they like and that they actually choose photographer according to that style. Because, you know, it's. I think the most difficult thing is like when they, when they ask you to be someone you're not, especially in terms of photography. It's like you're, it's across your brand. Yeah.

It's.

It's your art. So it's difficult if they have. They come with a certain expectation of.

Something else and then you've got a particular style.

Yeah, yeah, that part is a bit tricky. But other than that.

Yeah.

Usually the clients that come to us, they already know that they want candidates.

Yeah.

So it's always like, oh, yeah, we trust you guys to do your magic.

But that word, it was like, okay, that's me.

Yeah.

We'Ll try to understand them better. But yeah, it's difficult if it's not.

Yeah. Do you have relationships with other companies that if a client came to you and said, I want really posy photos or ones like this that you'd go, we don't do that, but this company does. Would you refer them elsewhere and have some ideas for them?

Sometimes we do refer, but usually they, I think they already, usually they would already book us.

Yeah.

So it's not like they ask.

Yeah.

Do they, do they ask?

Because from a wedding planning point of view, we obviously guide the clients and when they, when we talk to them about photography, we work out their budget and what kind of style and then based on the style, we recommend the photographers. But yeah, you would get a lot of direct clients that maybe have no idea on style and what you guys do.

What do we do is usually whenever a client come to us, we actually encourage them to really check our portfolios to really make sure. Yeah. If you really like our style or not, that's always the first step. So then they will go through like their own reflections and analyzing. Yeah. To see if it's, if it's them.

I think you've got the reputation, though. Like we always say, you don't see the process. We go through for wedding planning. But we have a supplier list that we send to our clients. So when they say book with us, we say, here's all our key supplies. You have to book first. So celebrant, hair and makeup, photography, video, and then entertainment. And we've broken them down into categories, and you guys are our top two photographer recommendations if they have the budget.

So you.

I would say that you are, like, one of the best in the industry by far. And then we've got a second category that it's like, these photographers are great, but we've put you up the very top as the premium photographers, so you've definitely built the reputation up there.

Thank you. Thanks so much for always recommending us.

Absolutely.

You guys are just so good. Like, you've obviously got a team behind you. You've got people that are on emails, and you've got your on the ground team. And I think it's just so easy.

For us as well. The last wedding that I did with you guys, I got this beautiful little sneaky reel, like, a couple of days later that I didn't even know we were gonna get. So I like the little surprises we get sometimes as well.

Yeah, we try. We try. We try to make it quick.

What's the majority of your market? Is it local? Is it western? Where do most of your clients come from?

Now that we opened a branch in Jakarta, I would say mostly still Australians. And then Singapore.

Jakarta. Yeah, mostly still Australians.

Yeah, mostly.

But I guess now Singapore, Hong Kong.

Getting more international. Like us. We used to be mainly Australia, and now we're getting a lot from Hong Kong. Singapore expats, mainly.

Yeah. The Jakarta market. Yeah, we have a lot of domestic clients also since the pandemic. Yeah, I mean, we always have, but more now. Yeah, yeah.

How did you guys survive the pandemic? What did you do? Did you go back? Like, did people go back to villages? Like, what did the photographers do during the pandemic?

Fashion projects.

Like what sort of fashion projects?

Myself, during the pandemic, I do like, food photography to help. Yeah.

So still photography. But I thought you were gonna say I worked in a food car.

Because there's a lot of people who try to cool at home and try to sell food.

Yeah, there was a lot of that.

So I shoot it for free. We shoot it for free. There's no fee.

Oh, that's nice.

I try to help their business, but the thing is, they really. They need to be really.

New. Not the one who had, like, the business before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the thing.

What about everyone else? What do they do?

What do you do?

I think about.

He also.

He didn't mention. He also did like a. Like a video shoot. Like a. What do you call it? Long distance photo shoot.

Yeah. Gorgeous.

Oh, like a virtual photo shoot.

Yeah, like a virtual photo shoot. Really love it.

What is a virtual photo shoot?

Okay, okay. Some of our friends cannot go back to Bali that time, but I'm shooting fashion as well, so some of my friends are models. So let's make something creative. Let's do a virtual shots. So.

So.

The results are amazing.

We'll show you later. They opened the laptop and I do as well. Open the laptop. So we're using a, like FaceTime and kind of stuff they put. Yeah.

You know, and then we just screenshot it.

And then I was.

It was a. I thought you use camera.

Some of them I use my camera, but some of them I use. Oh, my goodness.

That is very creative.

Yeah, Yeah.

I need to see these photos. Yeah, yeah. Please send. I'm going to message you later. We'll try and put some photos up so everyone else can see. That's fascinating.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's really nice.

You got to pivot and change. What about you, Irene? What did you do? Oh, she's laughing.

I became an artist.

Seaweed farming with an artist?

Yeah, I became an artist. I mean, I graduated from fine arts, so it's just like a perfect timing to really try to go into it more.

Anything we would have seen?

Maybe, Maybe not. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe not. I was just doing it from Instagram and then did some exhibitions in Bali and Jakarta and Bandung. And Jakarta. Yeah.

And then obviously we had the pandemic. Me and Britta covered this a bit on one of our episodes about, you know, just how tough it was on Bali. What was your policy on postponements? Did you. Was it a year? Two years? What happens if a client wants to postpone?

Obviously this is like the first time for everyone, so we have to adapt a lot.

Everyone was learning.

Yeah, everyone was learning how it goes. So it was, like, kind of difficult, but we tried to adapt. I think the first year you thought it's gonna last only for a year, so you'll be like.

Yeah, we were like, see ya. See you in, like three months.

Yeah, yeah.

Three years later.

Yeah. So we just kept adjusting it. It was like first a year and then another year and then another year and another year. Yeah.

And has that changed how you now handle your postponements and cancellations?

Yes, I think. Yeah. So now we do. We don't promote it, but we do have more flexibility when clients book us. Yeah.

Because we've had quite a few clients postponing for next year because of little things that pop up. Pregnancy.

Just little things.

Yeah, yeah. So now we do have that policy. Like if they want to postpone for.

You, do you put a time limit on it? Like you can postpone within a year. Because a lot of the suppliers do within a year. Yeah.

Ideally of their original.

We do. We do one date change within 12 months and then anything out of that. It's like another planning for. Yeah, Like a whole nother year.

We just had a client, I kid you not, she was supposed to get married in 2019.

Postponed, then cancelled. She just emailed me two weeks ago. I trust him. We just, you know, we're coming back to Bali. We'd like to kick off our wedding planning. Can you find out about credits? I'm like, there are no credits. Like, that was five, six years ago almost. But it's hard because we did. We had to. Obviously not everyone had policies in place and it's been such a change for the industry, I feel.

Yeah, yeah, definitely. It's not just the industry, I think just the world, like, you know, remote working, hybrid working. All these things coming up since the pandemic.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

Now, one of the things that we get questioned on a lot of, and this is something that really annoys Bruta and I personally, is when we had. We've had postponements and cancellations, they don't understand why they can't have a refund on the photographer because the photographer hasn't come to my wedding yet. But they don't understand the back end of the admin and actually you blocking dates and, you know, you've got a whole admin team working behind the scenes. You've got to pay for websites and phones and businesses and, you know, drive to keep all those photos. So I want to just kind of walk through the booking process with a client. So they would contact you to book in. You normally do a questionnaire. What's the process from start to finish of an inquiry for you guys?

Yeah, so when they. When they have questions, like I mentioned in the beginning, when they come to us, we would suggest them to really look at our work. Yeah. And then if they have further questions, then of course we'll answer it. And then if they're ready to book, we'll ask them to fill up our booking form with the questionnaire. That questionnaire is Actually really important because it helps us to also filter if they are our type of clients, if they actually like our service. Because there's like a question like have you seen our works there? And what you love about it.

Yeah.

And then from there on we will lock the booking. So we won't. We will refuse other bookings on that date. Yeah, I think that's.

Yeah.

And then you've got a pre wedding meeting normally just before the wedding.

Yeah, just a few. A few. A couple of weeks before the wedding. We'll meet them to get to know them. Yeah, yeah.

Now not many photographers actually do that. I think it's actually the top two photographers that do that. What do you discuss in the pre wedding meeting and why is that important?

Can I answer?

Yeah, I think that part is.

From us. We want to know their personality, what kind of.

Photography or maybe.

Yeah, photography in a bigger picture that really resonate to them.

Yeah.

So we can a little bit more understand later on in the day. So they don't feel like to be a model, like a very session photoshoot in kind of way so they can enjoy.

The day.

Yeah. I think it's probably also nice putting the faces to names before so they feel more comfortable in the day. They know who their chief photographer, videographer is.

Like a stranger in the photo.

Yeah, exactly. They're not just going in blind.

Yes.

There's some keywords that we also look for. You know, if they're like what kind of couple? Like you know, are they like romantic, are they playful, are they comfortable with being romantic?

You know, like some of them. I think we had a wedding last year and I had to tell the photographer like six, seven times, like do not make them kiss. They're not comfortable kissing in front of their family, but they'll have their first kiss. But don't ask them to kiss again after because it was against like the religion aspect. And they kiss, kiss.

I'm like stop.

Yeah, yeah.

There are some things that is easier to discuss on a video call. Especially uncomfortable topics. Yeah. So.

Well, I guess when you show up on the day as well, it's not just the bride and groom. You've got the whole bridal party and family. Then there's certain questions you maybe couldn't ask.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right.

And then after the wedding, editing, how long does that take? Like how long does it take you to go through all these photos and edit them?

Normally one week after the wedding for the highlights.

Yeah. So if you sit down in front of your computer or wherever you put all your Photos like how long does that take you if you were to do it in one session? Because a lot of people don't understand how long this takes.

Half a day.

Half a day.

But then you have to focus on, on that thing. But it's only for the highlights. The hardest part for me is it's curating the photos to make this, you know, this the story.

Yeah.

Because highlight the. The lesser you pick the photos, the harder you choose.

Well, also there's so many photos, I guess that are like just slightly different. Yeah. So trying to pick the best one.

Out because we're taking the pictures like a sequencing, like.

Yeah.

That would hurt my brain.

Oh, yeah.

So bad.

I got an email the other day from a client because she wanted to choose her own photos to be edited. And then she emails me back saying it's really hard to pick 300 photos. Can you just get them to do it for me? I'm like, yes, it's.

It's too difficult. I literally, I get. We obviously get all the unedited photos for. And I have a browse through them and I'm like, if I want to use any of them for our socials, I'm like, that one. Oh, that one or that one. And I can spend like 45 minutes just going through a set of high pain photos. Oh, that one. Her smile slightly better. But that person in the background looks weird.

Yes.

Correct.

Yes. Sometimes you get the best. Yeah. Best expression with this person maybe.

Yeah.

And then. And then the other person at the background doesn't look really nice. So kind of it's really hard to pick.

Do you ever get any really weird requests from clients? Like can you make me skinnier or make me look younger?

Yeah.

Yeah.

What's the weirdest request you've got?

Actually, I think one of our clients asked you to make them younger with aunties.

Yeah.

Probably just like make their face look a bit different.

Can you do that?

We can, but we don't encourage it because like our style as well, like we want to stick to our branding. Like, our style is natural. We don't want you to look different in your wedding photos than you actually are.

Yeah. Because I think.

I'm thinking that when you look your photos in the next 30 years and that person doesn't look like you, is it going to look weird? Yeah, it's like. Yeah.

What's the weirdest request you've had for editing?

Editing.

Remove all the shadows.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

They don't really, like maybe in the shadows and the armpit. They don't really put like the slit.

From like the grooves under arms.

I think the weirdest request for me, for my client was like the girl asked me to ask us to remove one of the guests in the group photo.

Oh.

I was like, how are we gonna do this? That.

I remember that.

I know because they don't.

She doesn't really like the way she dressed. Dressed.

Yeah, yeah. In the wedding.

On that wedding. Can you remove this person?

We agree, like, I kind of agree like the, the, the. The guest outfit was a bit inappropriate.

But we've seen some inappropriate outfits at weddings.

Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. But it's a bit difficult to. Unless she's like, you know, on, on her own. But this is group photo.

So she's like literally in the middle of octopus. Yeah.

There was this one dress that I saw like three times throughout the year. Last year, it was the year before, same exact dress, completely see through. It was like that kind of mesh material and it was like every girl just had like a G string on.

What world is that okay to wear to a wedding? I know it's Bali, but you're still at a wedding.

I had one last year. She wore a bright red dress, like a very standout, like you know, Jessica Rabbit style, like low cut. But then it also had like very belly out. Like there's going to be some sort of.

Yeah.

Classiness I feel to the outfits at the weddings.

Oh yeah.

I'm sure you've seen a lot in the bridal room even. What's your craziest story from just the prep room?

The bridal. Bridal profession.

Yeah.

Or groom. Whatever comes first.

Maybe the one that.

She doesn't really care about surrounding. And then it just pop up their robes and. Yeah. It's like.

Should I take the photos or not?

Okay, okay, just shoot now. Or how do you deal with that though, when they are naked and you and they're taking photos, do you like. I wouldn't know either.

Yeah, yeah. Just walk out.

Just normally, like traditionally when the bride's getting ready, I always see the photographers outside. Oh, she's getting dressed. But sometimes I guess. Yeah, they don't. Yeah, yeah.

Some of the brides are. That's what really care. Right.

We had a wedding years ago at. What's that villa that just burnt down in Canggu? Oh, it's beautiful villa. But it burned down recently and at the end of the night, like probably about 9:30, all the bridal party stripped naked and jumped into the swimming pool. Then a bunch of the guests followed. So we had probably like 40 guests in the pool completely naked, ordering drinks. And of course, we've got staff there. So I'm like, all right, guys, like, when you take the drink waters from the pool, don't like, eyes on the head, everyone's phones away. I don't want to see anyone taking photos. But I don't even remember what happened with the photographer that night if he was taking photos of them naked in the pool. Because they just all. They just all got naked and got in the pool one. And we were like, oh, okay, this is happening.

Wow.

Completely not naked. That's epic. No, I never had that before.

Never had that before.

No, not completely naked. But I have a wedding in Phuket, and it's on the beach side. So when the after party comes super late at the. Almost at the end of the event. Yeah, some of the guests are open their shirt and then the dress, but they're still wearing underwear, and they jump into the beach.

Well, I'm sure you guys have also seen multiple times the Eagle Rock that the Australians do. No, the Eagle straight down around the ankles.

Oh, that's an Australian thing.

It's an Australian thing.

The Eagle.

So we. We take a request from the clients close to the wedding night. Are there any songs that do not play, like, Eagle Rock just in case people take their pants off and occasionally they'll be like, yes, don't play that song. Because a lot of the men will just drop their pants.

That's why in the office I would see, like, suddenly, you know, from the bunch of photos, then suddenly I see like, why are all the gu.

You didn't know that?

I didn't know that.

I'm not.

I'm not going.

You're going to come to the wedding day more often? Yes.

You should.

Have you been to the weddings? They're so fun.

I do sometimes. Sometimes I went to the one in Puritanpo Hill and I met Rita there.

Yes.

Yes.

Sometimes I.

During COVID I met a lot of the admin people, like, at the end of COVID because they were coming out to the weddings, which was really nice.

We even did that once with Anwar. We brought him to Bayou Sabah that day.

We took our accountants.

I don't think you quite understand what we do on it daily basis. Because sometimes he'd be messaging us just through the day, random questions. I'm like, I can't do this right now.

We just got a billion. Can you approve this? Hey, this one's urgent. I'm like, I'm busy. I'm like, so we took him to a wedding and he was like, oh, yeah, I get it.

I don't have my phone in my hand unless a supplier is calling me to say the cakes arrived or something along those lines.

I would say the wedding itself is actually the most, you know, the most fun you have in working in a wedding industry. You know, like working behind the email, like behind the laptop is necessary, but of course it's more fun too.

Yeah, you've got the. You've got the good job.

Yeah.

We get a lot of people that apply for work with us, obviously, and they think, yeah, wedding planning is fun and we have to explain to them it's 90% admin. Like, it is not fun. We're in an office and our office is pretty fun, if I do say so myself. But most of the time you're just doing this all day and chasing suppliers and invoicing. Like, it's not a glamorous job until the wedding day, which is what you obviously see on the socials. But 90% of the job is boring.

Yeah.

I'm actually really impressed with wedding planners because you guys are doing admins and the fields at the same time. Yeah, because on the days that I do go to the fields and then I have to reply to admins, I kept making mistakes, like I would replace the wrong thing or like I would type here and there, you know, so it's like with wedding planners, you guys are doing both.

We're on site. Like you guys show up normally at like, what, lunchtime, two o' clock and you're out of there by 10. We're there from morning. Getting my wedding at TF on Saturday. I got home at 2:30 in the morning.

Yeah, I don't.

And I'd left. We started later that day, thank goodness. But it's such a big day. And then the next day we're like. And we're having to admin.

Yeah. I don't know how you guys do it. It's.

Well, sometimes we do it from the couch while getting a foot massage with our little tray table.

We are dead for late.

And then some days we've got a. You've been to our office, we've got that bed. So some days you'll find our team just having a little nap halfway through the day because they need.

Yeah, I think I've just established now I can't be in the office after a wedding day. It's just going on social battery overload. Like, you give so much on your. On the wedding day and then it's the next day it's like no one talk to me. No one touched me.

Don't you dare, Christian.

The other day I did.

We had quite a big wedding on Saturday. We had two, actually. And my wedding the next day, my son, bless him, we were about to go to hospital, very clingy, and he just kept touching me. I was like, can you just get off me? I had so many people yesterday. I just. I just need my space. Space today.

It's a lot.

What are some like, have you got any horror stories of things that have gone disastrously wrong at a wedding?

Oh, jinx. Lucky me. I never had one really, in my entire year.

In your entire right now? Knock on wood. Right now. Jinxing.

Wow. How is that possible?

My clients have. I. I had a client that, like, she, she got Bali Belly and then she had to be on IV drip the whole day. The whole day, yeah. So we, we didn't get.

Footage.

Yeah, we live like that.

He was sick. He walked down the aisle, did the ceremony, did photos, and then he was asleep in the valet. And I literally woke him up at 10 to 10 and said, curfews in 10 minutes. Do you think you've got it? And you to do one dance so we can get some first dance photos? And he got up and did the first dance and then went to bed.

He was that the Holiday Inn one? Yeah.

He was so sick.

So sad though, like.

Yeah.

As a local, do you have any tips for avoiding Bali Belly and staying healthy? We've got our own tips for the. Our clients. But is there anything you swear by to not get Bali Valley.

With a.

You know, sometimes you, you go to like, nice restaurants and you get Bali Belly. Yeah, Bad luck thing.

Cuz I get Bali Belly in the really good seafood restaurant. I can get that as well, so.

But of course, avoid street food. That's number one.

It looks so yummy. But for the foreigners, they can't.

Yeah, foreigners know.

We had Alyssa here last year and we got supplier meals that showed up at the wedding at Bali Beach Club. And she's like, oh, can I try that so I know what it tastes like? And I was like, I don't think your stomach's going to handle this. Alyssa, I'll order you a pizza. I was like, I can eat it, but I don't think you can.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No street food.

Definitely no street food.

Yeah. What about, like, getting over Bali Belly? Any local tips?

We never had one.

So do you take the charcoal tablets? Because we take.

Oh, yes.

Yes, you do. I've Never heard of the charcoal tablets.

Not it.

Yeah.

Nor it.

Yeah.

Not it. Not it. Yeah.

We always Recommend Just the IVs as well.

Yeah, we get the gas out.

Pokeri sweat. Pokeri sweat.

Insert photo.

Put it in my hand like an advertisement.

And yeah, I always go with pocket sweat. It gives a good dehydration thingy. Great for dengue too, they said.

And papaya juice, isn't it papaya juice for dengue.

Oh, yeah. That I didn't know. But I do drink papaya juice every morning.

I sometimes say Coca Cola for Bali belly.

I'm like, just kill everything, really.

Coca Cola.

Well, you know, if you put like a ring or something in Coca Cola, it like makes it.

Oh yeah, that's true.

So like it's killing something in there.

I'm sure it works.

It even clears the drain of the sink.

Or pure alcohol, the bacteria dies.

A tequila shot, that'll fix everything.

Tequila shots.

Have you had any really drunk guests actually that like by the end of the night you couldn't take photos because they were too drunk? I don't believe you don't have a horror story. That's so boring, I think.

Yeah, but we try to only take. We always suggest, like after party we stay only for an hour or an.

Hour and a half.

There's not much to cover really, is there?

So you don't get thrown in the pool?

Yeah.

Have you ever been thrown swimming pool?

Me, myself.

Yeah.

No.

You have?

Yeah, I have. Literally. Where do they all got naked at? I was sitting on my chair in a corner watching and someone said to me, what are you doing? Because I just started taking off my walkie and I said, this is happening. They said, what is? And it was one of the stuff. I said, we're being thrown in the pool. No, we're not. And sure enough, like, all the groomsmen came for us, lifted my chair up while I was screaming and just into the pool. Oh, you've been thrown in the pool, haven't you? Yanti's been thrown in the pool. Like most of our team have been thrown in swimming pool at a wedding.

They almost did. But remember I was sick and you were like, you will not throw her in the pool. She's sick.

Yeah, twice I've been thrown in. But it was really funny, actually. We had a wedding a couple of years ago. It was Britta's wedding. And Ryan. Have you met little Ryan yet? He's one of our runners. He's very cheeky. And he was being a bit of a smart ass to Me last year and Chrissy and Matt's wedding. The wedding was a very small, intimate wedding. The couple were lovely and at one point I kind of hinted to the groom, I said, you know, that most of my team have been thrown in the pool except for Ryan. And he was like, can we. And I was like. And then me and Britta just stood back and then I went and got Ryan's phone off him as the boys came for him. And then as they threw him, I was like, yeah, well, think about being cheeky to me next time, won't you?

That was the wedding where he wanted to throw me in the pool. But you were like, britta, sick.

You can't throw the pool. She wasn't very well that time.

But I'm still here doing your wedding day.

That's commitment.

So we've got no horror stories.

No stories.

What are the biggest photography trends right now?

As. As we can see from maybe the. The three top or two tops social media platform from Instagram, Pinterest. But now there's a lot more.

Editorial style with the flash, direct flash to look like a bit like a magazine. Yeah, I think that's. But yeah, before we usually use the flash during the after party. We never use the flash, even shooting the decoration and stuff. But we kind of adapt to it to give more different looks. But then within, we still. Yeah, we still need to keep our style with a bigger picture.

One of the things I'm getting requested a lot this year actually is like film photography.

I was about to say that.

So I had it in my head.

What is the difference there? Like, can you explain that?

Film. Film photography.

Old school.

Yeah, right.

Yes. Camera, it's different camera. And.

Gives a nostalgic feel. Yeah. Give a little bit nostalgic kind of vibe. And the color as well. Maybe a little bit more look timeless.

Yeah, I do like the color of the film.

Yeah, me too. Because I get the blue sky.

That's why we provide film photography this year.

Are you getting requests for that more as well?

Yeah, yeah. Since we launched it, we actually got a lot of bookings ready for film.

Yeah.

As well as.

What about content creation? Are you doing much of that?

Lara Film, Our partner, they. They do content creation now. Yeah, yeah. You guys do it too, right? I think I remember I went to one of your weddings and then just.

Getting more and more popular. I was really good at it, so.

Yeah.

Yeah. I always like doing it.

Yeah. With the phone, with the gimbals.

Yeah.

I just don't have still enough hands.

I'm Too busy. I'm too busy. I'm too busy directing. Moving that.

Yeah.

Still in offense. I think there's a gimbal for like the camera.

Actually I want to buy one of those. The little balancing stickers.

IPhone. There's a feature for when you do video and it's like a stabilizer and you can press the button and. Amazing.

Yeah.

Technology.

Technology.

And on average, how long should couples expect to wait for their final photos once they've had their wedding?

One week for the highlights and one month for the full photos, including the edited ones. Yes.

So fast.

Wow.

They're amazing.

Yeah. Most companies are around three months, so we allow for three months. Sometimes I'm chasing at the three month mark, like, where are my photos?

Yeah.

Is there anything that you wish couples would stop doing when it comes to booking photography or on the day for their photos stop doing?

I wish they start doing, not stop doing. Yeah. Maybe.

One thing that the couples maybe can start to print out the photos because. Yeah. It gives the photos more.

Soul.

Soul. I think it's nice.

Like we had like a pre wedding session. We have pre wedding session for our clients. Then we'll have the wedding day too. And then like when they print the pre wedding photos on the decor, you know you have like a sense of.

Yeah, that's kind of a different feeling for the photographer.

You guys have just finished a photography album for one of my couples from how long ago?

When the email came through, I was like, your wedding was like four years ago. They've only just finalized the photos they want for their photo album.

Album, yeah.

Was it? Yeah. Can I, can I, can I mention the name?

Right.

Yeah, yeah, we do, we do have clients from like 3, 4. I mean we don't encourage it anymore now, now we put the time limit like before we would actually try to be understanding. But then now we actually.

Because even the email that came through, the last email was like a year ago. I was like, hey, have you guys finalized your photos? So you also do photo books as well?

Yeah, yeah, we do. It's not, it's really nice when you see.

I think they make a great coffee table book as well. Just having the beautiful photos, especially in your style.

Yeah.

They are very candidly magazine y beautiful.

Yeah. The paper itself I think we got inspired with by Kinfolk magazine.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's it.

I think we have covered most of the things. I guess the final question I kind of had is what are the top three questions you think couples need to ask? Ask photographers when booking them to make the Right. Selection. Because when a client contacts us, normally they'll contact three or four other wedding planners. I don't know if it's the same for the photographers, but what are three questions you think would be valuable for somebody to ask?

What kind of couples you guys are?

How would you answer that question? What kind of couple are you? What answers do you get to that? I don't even know how to answer that.

Are you guys more.

More.

Yeah. More romantic.

Relax, chill.

Something like that. What kind of couple are you? What else? What should they be asking you? Like, what are questions that people ask?

Oh, what kind of photos you guys do?

Yeah. What's your style? I guess.

What's the process like?

Yeah, it's a process like.

Yeah, I think that's how do you.

Answer when someone says to you, because you've got multiple photographers, which photographer should I choose?

So in theorological, we try to. Right now, we try to make everything consistent.

Yeah.

So our style is candid and infused with editorial. So no matter which photographer you choose, the style actually remains the same. It's just based on the experience of the photographer. Like, you know, it has 10 years. So the senior photographer is like five and above and then junior photographer is five and below. Years.

Yeah. Because we get asked that a lot and I'm like, they're all amazing.

Yeah, Yeah.

I don't know how to answer it. I'm like, they're all fantastic. It doesn't matter which photography you pick, you're going to get great photos.

Yeah. Yeah. All our photographers are amazing. I mean, we properly train them. Also, like, you know, it takes years to be the photographers. They really start from being an assistant to second shooter to main shooter.

Yeah.

It's not like, you know, you don't.

Just walk in the door and become.

For us, it's not.

That's like us.

Yeah.

You start on the elopements and the small weddings, work your way into hotels after a few years, then you get the villas and the nicer weddings.

Yeah.

All right. Amazing. Well, thank you guys so much for taking the time to join us today and have a chat.

Thank you.

Hopefully we get some more bookings. So if anyone is interested, this is Terra Logical. You will find them on our supplier list in the top two suppliers for photography. Side note, they do also have a sister company that does videography, Lyrel films, so you can book both, which is really handy. Amazing. Thanks for joining us.

Thank you so much.

We will see everyone in two weeks for another episode of Bali Weddings unveiled.

Yay.

Bye.

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