10 Library Listing Lessons from the American Library Association Conference 2022

Hello. Happy Tuesday to you, my friends. It is the last week of June. We are now officially into summer. So, yeah, it's an exciting time. And we are also officially about to enter into my YouTube break. So this is the last video that I will be posting until we get into August. So I take the month of July off from, from posting to give me a chance to get caught up, get some new videos in the can, create some new content, and just, you know, just take a break from the constant two per week posting. So, so this is the last session until our last video until August. And then starting the first Tuesday in August, I'll post a new video and then I, I can't remember the exact date, but mid August, we'll start going live again and our deep dive trainings will return in September. September. So, yeah. So welcome to our last video of the before the summer break in 2022. All right, so today's subject is going to be 10 lessons learned from the American Library association conference, where I've literally been back in Vegas for 14 hours. So I have not even been back from D.C. where the conference was happening for a full day yet. So I haven't had time to fully digest and process everything that I took away from the four days of the conference. But I do have 10 lessons that I thought we could share or 10 tips or takeaways, however you want to call it. So we'll be doing that. And Angela's here, so. Thank you, Angela. And she said that it's the last one before summer break. But look, we've got a little extra time on Tuesdays now, so that's good, right? So if you're joining in, make sure you say hello. If you're watching the replay and hashtag replay, you know the drill. I will still be reading your comments. So whenever you watch this, I will respond. We can still have a conversation. So you can join in then. But yeah, let's, let's talk about this American Library association conference because it was pretty cool. And it's the first time that Book Launchers has attended. And I don't know the exact attendance numbers, but there were thousands of librarians, librarian assistants, library study students, technicians, directors, board members, and even authors, publishers, all the services that support libraries. There was all these booths with library vending machines and even toys and furniture. You know, basically, if something is sold or supplied to a library, it was represented in the exhibit hall. But this is not just an exhibit hall. There was, you know, sessions going on in rooms all around the conference center. And I Got an email this morning and there still were sessions today. So I think it's actually a five full day conference. It's just the exhibit hall was, and I say only very loosely, only open for four days. If you've ever done a booth anywhere, four days is a really long time to be exhibiting at any sort of an event. But it was really, really fantastic. And it was interesting too because there was one other hybrid publisher there, but no self publishing services. We were the only ones there. And I think that's because, I mean, we decided to attend because our big mission, like if you look at kind of the super bowl mission of what we're creating at Book Launchers, our big mission is to be the first choice in publishing, not an alternative to traditional publishing. And, and because that is the mission, we are focused on creating distribution channels and relationships that parallel what traditionally published authors have access to for our authors. And so this next 12 month period, we're entering our own annual planning period because our fiscal year ends at the end of June. And so for the next fiscal year we're intensely focused on developing writing community and part of that is definitely gonna be really leaning into library distribution. Library events, library programming, and libraries in general are somewhere that we have been wanting to develop stronger relationships and stronger channels to for our authors. So attending this was a very significant investment. We paid for the booth. Sarah, our book marketing manager and myself both flew in. We paid for five nights, four nights, four nights of hotels, five nights of hotels. Regardless, it was a significant investment, but I do think it's going to be worth it. We definitely made some further connections. We solidified some other connections that we've already started developing with some people in different companies. And we learned a lot about what libraries are looking for and how to connect with them and how to build stronger relationships as well. As we added a lot of librarians to our various lists, we, whether it's our, our early pre release book review list or our list of, you know, books that we're going to put together for different themes for different months of the year, there's lots of librarians looking for programming, so, so it was great. And so I'm going to give you guys 10 takeaways that I think you can apply. We're certainly taking them and applying them in various ways as well. And like I said, I haven't even been home 14 hours yet. So it, this is still very new, very raw, so work with me here. But I'm excited to share this with you because it was really, really an eye Opening cool experience for us. Christopher Mattish is in the house. Great to have you here. My friend Rachel Brown. Rachel says libraries are one of my happy places. Me too. And it was really wonderful to, you know, some people have made comments on some of my videos saying libraries are dead. Like, who cares about libraries? And it was so wonderful to see the passion and the dedication of, of these librarians. And frankly, I don't agree with that because I go to the library probably at least once a week, if not twice a week with my son and it is always packed and they're working. You know, they have a lot. They have a Lego club at my local library. And, and it is so busy. This. So busy. There was probably 200 people at Lego club last week. So. Yeah. So libraries are not dead, but they are doing a lot of things to engage their community, which was one of the takeaways today. Victor's here. Hello. Great to have you here. And Jeremy, wonderful to see you here. So thank you everyone. If you have questions as I'm going about sharing the 10 tips and takeaways that I have for you, please post them here. If you're watching the replay, post them and I will respond. But Angela's here. She's going to be collecting, collecting your questions. And of course, as always, there are prizes for participation. So I'm going to kick things off actually with a prize right now. But I want to. Let's see, what am I going to do? This is going to be a quiz question. What do you think was? And if you read the launch letter, you're going to know the answer. But what do you think? There was two topics when librarians found out that we were a nonfiction service. So we only do nonfiction books. What are the two types of books that were most requested? Do you have this or this? So let's see if anybody can get that. We'll kick it off with a prize. Our prizes, we have our OSO soft journal. We have our hashtag no boringbooks mug. And this is going to be the last round of these mugs that have this logo because we are in July or August rolling out a new logo on a new website. So I'm very excited for that. All right, so take a guess. What two non fiction subjects do you think the librarians were most interested in? You can go ahead and post that while I give you tip number one. And hopefully tip number one isn't the answer. Nope. Okay. So my takeaway number one is libraries are very, very patron focused. They are there to support their community and Serve that community. So topics, and this is not the answer, by the way, to the question, but programming topics and lists and subjects and themes that they were really interested in as far as their community and patron focus. Financial literacy, careers, esl, parenting. They also. There was a lot of school libraries there and they were really looking for programming for teens. This was a very, very hot topic that a lot of people had. So if you have a book that. That is going to be very educationally valuable for teens, you know, I would highly recommend putting together some library programming and sending that out to libraries because there's a lot of demand for that. But they're very. They're focused on making their communities better. So that's where the career part and even writing and self publishing was a really, really huge topic. I had 20 copies of self published and succeed there, and they were gone like that. It was personal interest or hey, oh, this is. I get asked this all the time at the library. How do I self publish published? How do I get my book published? And so that was very interesting. But the thing to know is that the libraries are very, very focused on their communities and the people who are supporting them are the people that they really want to support. So not surprising, but it was really interesting to see, like their. Their laser focused attention on those things. All right, let's see if we've got a winner. Okay. Irma's children's book. Yes, there was definitely a massive demand for children's books, but we only do nonfiction. So when they came up to us and they said, do you have blank and blank? It was not our norm. Our norm. And I say norm loosely because we do a lot of. Not a wide variety of nonfiction. But if I was to pick a norm, I would say we tend to do a lot in the business. Personal finance, real estate type, space entrepreneur, leadership, that kind of stuff. That is not what the libraries were interested in. There was other subjects that they were really, really interested in. Rachel took a guess. Business and paranormal. That was interesting. That's a good guess. So nobody reads the launch letter. Are you guys looking the launch letter? You should get the launch letter. So, Angela, if you can drop a link in there to make sure these folks are getting the bi weekly launch letter so they not only get the answers to these things, but you're getting invitations to our deep dive and all those things. All right, Jafdolls, welcome. Great to have you here. And Jennifer's in the house and Mike Herd is here too. All right, so I'll give you guys another minute. To try and take a guess. Otherwise I'll give you the answer. But so the question, Mike, if you just joined, is what are the two subjects? When libraries found out that we do nonfiction, what are the two subjects that they asked us for the most? So go ahead, take a run at this and I will carry on to my next tip. So, so, so again, I kind of just hinted on this, but our titles that weren't business related were really hot commodities. That's not to say people didn't take business, but they took them out of personal interest. They didn't take them for their library. So we were giving books away, we were doing quizzes, we were getting people onto different email lists and things like that. But we had about a little bit over 150 books to give away. And our business titles weren't the titles that librarians were taking for their listings. They were taking them out of personal interest. So business, real estate, personal finance, you know, wealth, retirement, those kind of subjects were of interest, but they weren't the things that they wanted for their library. They wanted the niche topic and so the more niche your book is. So we have a author that just came out with a book today, Darrell Whittem. It's. And I've just blanked on the exact title. I believe it's called Mound Gardening. There might be some other word in that title, but that would be a potential subject that they would be interested in. The paranormal. Christian. So Rachel, you were close on. That was one of the books that we had on the table and that sucker went fast. There was so many people that wanted that to fill gaps in their catalog. We had other subjects that were on. We had an immigration book, the Immigration Lawyer. Again, the titles, please forgive me. I got in at quarter to 12 last night and then woke up at 4am because my body thought it was 7am so my brain isn't quite firing like it normally would. But we had a book on immigration that was. People were like, oh, we need this, we need this. We had a lot of medical librarians come by that were looking for resources on nurse self care. We have a couple of great titles from Beth Kavanaugh. Even a book. We have a book from on caring for your aging parents. That kind of subject was of interest. We had another book on helping raise kids who will become medical doctors, that kind of thing. So those things were of interest too. Let's see if anybody got the answer yet though. Let's see, Robert says family relations. My Kurt said Teen Werewolf, Warm romance. Robert said communication. These are great Jeremy Butler, Paranormal Christian was a very popular title. That was an extremely popular title that we have. That's not necessarily the category. Secrets to Mound Gardening is the title. I knew it wasn't just mound gardening. Thank you, Angela. Managing Life after the Pandemic. Mike, nobody wants any books to do with the pandemic. I was watching author signings all around and there was quite a few books that were out and they were the ones. I shouldn't laugh, but people are tired of it. I think that's what I can take away from this. And the librarians aren't really interested in. In those subjects at the moment. But there was quite a few books that were talking about the vaccine development. There was one on an epidemic which actually had nothing to do with the pandemic. It was actually about aids. And so. And I saw that and they were really trying to have to push people to come to that signing. So it was interesting that that is not necessarily what they were looking. Honest Immigrant was the other title. Thank you, Angela. So Teen Werewolf. Okay, so I'll just give you guys the answer. History and science. And if they were married together, oh my goodness, you saw fireworks. My friends, the librarians have a huge, huge appetite for historical nonfiction and anything science related. And so we have a book coming out again, Angela, if you know the title, please help me. But it is a great subject that we're really excited about that Mary's. So science, the history of electricity. The, the. The scientific boy, Give me grace today. Thank you. So Cathedral. Kathy Balustrari is the author and, and it's. And she's got a great YouTube channel here too, which I'm making Angela work overtime. Maybe she can drop Kathy's fantastic YouTube channel here and you guys can check it out. But she has a book coming out that the librarians just. We had pre launch. We had pre launch copies and. And the librarians were all over it. And we're going to be able to send a lot of librarians to that book when it releases because it married the exact thing that they were just hungry for because there's so much demand for that subject. And they also have. It appeals to teens. And so even the schools were. The school librarians were all over that too because it has story, it has some drama. You know, it tells the tales of the inventors and they were really, really excited but by this subject. So, yes, the answer was history and science. And so those were the two subjects that if you had anything historical, nonfiction, they were all over it. We have a book called Lamb Lash street and they snapped that up. So that was really cool to see. Is we have a lot of titles that don't necessarily get mainstream business oriented attention, but they were the things that libraries were really, really excited about. So that was really, really fun. Okay. And yes, and Mike said, I never would have guessed that. And 100%, it was a bit surprising to us as well. Again, we live in a little bit of a world where we focus a lot on what media is looking for, on what speaking engagements pay for and other things. But a lot of authors are writing books that aren't in the space that, you know, that is like that thing that we focus intensely on. And there's a huge appetite for those kind of subjects out there. So that was really, really exciting. Okay, so going back to my tips, let's see, number three, I kind of touched on this already, but medical library staff were hungry for resources because I think they get a lot of textbook and you know, what do you call them, reports and journal and journals and things like that. But the things, the books that we had that are covering perspectives from nurses, self care, some of the decisions that need to be made and kind of the softer side, I think of medicine were of great interest. They were the first to say, put me on your list for new releases that cover these things. So that was really, really exciting to see and to realize that, you know, that there, there's a lot of medical libraries out there. All of the, a lot of the universities have them, a lot of the hospitals have them. So there's a tremendous appetite and opportunity if that's your subject area. Number four is, is we didn't realize this, but author signings at this conference in particular, I can't speak for all library event general, but this event, author signings were huge and we didn't have one. If we choose to do the conference in Chicago next year, we will absolutely have an author signing. So any of our authors watching this, if you are interested, willing, able to travel to Chicago, we won't be covering travel expenses, but we will definitely be having author signings if we do this again. They were huge and authors gave away 50 to 75 copies of their book. And even keep in mind that doesn't mean 50 to 75 copies of the book are going to be listed in libraries. Some of them are going home with the librarians for their own personal interest. Some of the people attending aren't necessarily anything to do with the catalogs, but it's exciting to see and to kind of experience that and what it does do is now whenever somebody did take get a copy, they had to scan their badge. And so now you have their contact information to communicate with them about other titles and even to potentially send emails and say, hey, you attended the signing for this book, you know, if you liked it, post a review. So those kind of opportunities were there. And librarians know the value of a review. Number five was kind of an interesting thing. There is a need for more education around self publishing and this is multi pronged because a lot of librarians kind of said oh no, our library doesn't buy self published books. And then I would kind of challenge them and go well do you think you would carry this book or this book or this book? And and they would go oh yeah, of course. Well all of those are self published. And so a lot of them didn't think they still have a bias. They still think self publishing means not edited, not good covers. It also quite a few of them indicated that a lot of their catalog cataloging decisions go back to paid review services like Publishers Weekly, Kirkus, Forward Reviews even. And they said if an indie author isn't investing in those reviews, unless there's a lot of demand or it's coming up on one of the lists that they rely on, they're not going to know about the book or, or list it or carry it. And so it was interesting on that side of it. But the other side of this was also the need for understanding the self publishing process and the community demand in a lot of these libraries. So we're actually going to start, we're going to put on webinar series in the fall for libraries on self publishing and it'll likely end up that we do more and more programming around it. We as a company are also rolling out a bit of a writing community that I think a lot of these libraries have writing groups that will tag into our writing community, which is going to be initially a free service and then a small fee to participate in our writing training and writing support. And we doing it for a variety of reasons but, but it was interesting to kind of see the parallels and the connections into the library, but also the need for self publishing education for the libraries and the librarians for from many, from many, many facets. But we had a quiz question and the first question was 90% of libraries have purchased a self published book. True or false? And the answer is true. But the vast majority of people submitting this quiz said it was false. So that tells you that they don't even know, right? They're buying self published books and if they meet the criteria that I've already kind of mentioned, they're buying them because of the demand. They're not buying them knowing they're self published. So it was very interesting on that regard. All right, let's see see what you guys are talking about. Lightning Tamers. Thank you. Angela is just mentioning the the title that we have coming out. It's in pre release right now or pre launch. I think it might be pre release still. But Lightning Tamers is the one that I mentioned that is is tying science and history together specific to electricity. And Charity said is there a way we can help with the libraries on self published educating libraries on self published authors? Not yet, Charity, but thank you. I appreciate the offer. You guys here on my YouTube family will be the first one ones to know if there's anything we could do because it will help self published authors and indie authors everywhere if we can educate the library community even more and also understand what they're looking for. Like I said, the heavy reliance on paid reviews, which I know is one of my points that's coming up, was not surprising to me, but it was eye opening how many times it came up from various different angles. So I'll touch on that in a second. But knowing that, you know, you might if you're not working with a company like Book Launchers, where we do we pay for some of these reviews, but not all. If libraries are an important part, you may want to be budgeting an extra thousand dollars. Unfortunately, they're very expensive paid review services, which is why we generally only do one or two depending on the level of service for our authors. But you may want to be planning to invest in some of these paid review services. Okay, number six, Library of Congress. We got to go in and go into the main reading room and tour around. It was very, very cool and it was funny when I walked into the main reading room, like it even smells like books. But what an extraordinary, extraordinary building. But I know a lot of people ask about this and so I have a link that I'm going to get Angela to drop in the chat and then if you're watching the replay, I'll put it in the description down below. Just if you want to learn more about getting your book into the Library of Congress, there's a whole bunch of information there. I've done a video on it before. A lot of books won't be accepted into the Library of Congress, even if you get the Library of Congress control number, which is the LCCN it doesn't mean you'll end up being cataloged and carried in there. They have a pretty rigorous procedure. And I think I read somewhere less than 40% of the titles that are submitted actually get carried. But a couple of things. So the Library of Congress has the Pre Assigned Control Number program, which enables the Library of Congress to assign control numbers in advance of publication to those titles that might be added to the Library's connections. And so that's what I'm saying. A lot of people submit and they get the lccn, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will actually be cataloged. And then there's. There's a whole bunch of other steps that you need to take. And there's some rules. Only us authors in book publishers are eligible to participate in the PCN program. And the final determination of the works that are selected is done by a selection of librarians and officers that recommend. And so you want to kind of read up on it, but I, you know, you can follow the process and attempt to do it all copyrighted. So if you submit copyrights, all copyrighted material has to be sent in to be stored. That doesn't mean you're in the Library of Congress. So. So there's a whole bunch of details, but it was, it was really, really cool to see the Library of Congress and tour around. We didn't, we didn't stay and see every nook and cranny, and we didn't get to go in the rare books room. But. But it was still a pretty incredible experience to be able to go there and check it out. Okay, I've already kind of alluded to this one, so I'm actually going to head over and do a quick draw. So every Tuesday and Friday, we release a new video. And of course, we have prizes for all of the fabulous folks that comment on the day a video is released. So let me just go and spin you guys up. I put your names into my little name spinner and let me just hit the button. Okay. Congratulations, Michael W. Cook, comma, author. Thank you for your comments, likes and shares on the video. Thank you. Your choices today are a copy of Self publish and Succeed our mugs noboringbookmug or our oh so soft journal, Angela. Correct me if I'm wrong on any of those. And to collect your winnings, all you need to do is email angelaeenteamooklaunchers.com make sure you include your mailing address. Cause she does not know where you live or where you would like this sent, and your Selection. So congratulations, Michael. I don't know if you're here. I don't think I saw you say hello. No, I don't. I don't think he's here. But congratulations and thank you. And okay, let's try another prize for you guys. So I won't do a skill testing question this time. Let's just do. What's the date today? It is the 28th. And is there 28 comments yet? I don't even know if. Let's see. Angela, is there 28 comments? If there is, number 28 from the top will be our prize winner. So you might be able to win. So get in there quick and post your comment while you can. Okay, so my number seven was paid reviews. They matter a lot for librarians in their cataloging decisions. They also matter a lot for those companies that provide services that feed into the catalog. So for example, like overdrive, we, which is an ebook distribution service that allows library patrons to borrow books, we get into overdrive through Draft 2 Digital. For authors that want ebook library distribution, we get into OverDrive through draft two digital. And I was talking to the person at OverDrive. I happened to luck out and actually be talking to the person that would be. Is in account services. So she's kind of the one that would help us get listings. And she said one of they make lists for, for the libraries on different subjects, different themes. You know, the top 10, the top 20 lists, you know, in a themed month like Women's month or, you know, a cancer month or things like that, they'd have themed books. And they said, you know, she said that they manually choose those. They choose them based on sales, but also based on reviews. And she said they usually only read the first two lines of the review. And she said they're looking for, if it's an indie book, they're looking at the forward reviews. Or Publishers Weekly, she said. Or Kirkus, she said those are kind of the three review services that they'll pay attention to. And they, they don't have time to read all the things. So they're looking at sales performance, but they're also looking at those reviews to see what stands out, to see what's getting highly positively reviewed so they can highlight it to their libraries for their catalog, for their features and so on. Overdrive, not only is it going to get the library listing, but if it stands out, then you're going to get more and more borrows from. From the librarians. I didn't get the same sort of information from Hoopla. I Went over and talked to Hoopla as well, which is another library ebook distribution service. And I believe they both are doing through different brands, they're both doing audiobook as well. Hoopla wasn't as forthcoming with how you get featured and some of those kind of pieces, but my guess is they're probably doing something very similar to what overdrive is doing. So those paid review services, if libraries matter to it might be something you really, really want to invest in. Let's see, we don't have 28 comments because Angela does not count her comments. So go ahead, make sure you're saying hello. The third one is forward reviews. And you might not be as familiar with them because they're primarily for indie authors. I believe I just typed it in there for you, but. And it came up a few times. It was interesting to me because we haven't put a lot of emphasis on it, but multiple people that we talked to did. Hello. Poetry from the Heart. Great to have you here. Okay, so let's do. Oh, number eight, do you need the pcip? So I've done some videos on this and you know, we've, we've heard from various sources that it's better if you have this CIP or PCIP block. This is the publisher's cataloging in public, in publication. That's what it stands for. So it can be Cataloging Public Cataloging in publication, or the pcip, which is the publisher's catalog in publication. And it's a, it's a cataloging block. It looks like gobbledygook. It's like numbers, letters, you know, it's random cataloging information to the naked eye, but to a librarian and a trained cataloger, it tells you exactly where to put books. And so it's been mixed, but I've always been told it's better if you have it, especially as a self published book. Now that said, I always knew it wasn't a deal breaker. Like I knew libraries would carry it without it because my books have not had it. And I've been carried in libraries in, in multiple libraries by all of my books. So I started asking, especially if I saw somebody's title was cataloger. And the universal answer was it makes my job easier if a book has it. But we, we enter a lot of books that don't have it. And so then it comes down to the buying decision. And so you need your book to be as professionally put together as possible. Because a lot of librarians noted that they don't carry self published books because they don't trust in the quality, they don't trust. They've been fact checked that they're a good resource. You know, there was a lot of kind of comments like that. And so if you're investing in a top quality cover, you're paying for that editing. You've got great citations and they're properly formatted. You know, the alarm bells that say a book isn't quality are not going to go off even if you don't have this CIP block. And then if you add to it, you've got great reviews, you've got community demand, then none of that is actually going to matter. And I think even if you had the cip, but you didn't have all those things, you're going to have a problem. So it's more important to have the demand, the quality, the reviews than it is to have that CIP block. It's worth noting though that traditionally published books almost always have them. So you know, that is something you are competing against, but it's not a deal breaker. And you usually have to pay a catalog or about 100, 125, 150 dollars to do it. We're not doing it on very many of our books, if any. So again, not a deal breaker. But it was something that I've always been told it's better to have it. And I would say nowadays, and based on my conversations, I would say I would focus on the reviews, the demand and the quality and not worry about that piece. Which leads me to number nine, your cover. And high editorial standards are going to matter tremendously. Librarians know the formats. So if you saw my video a few weeks ago about apa, you know, mla, all those, all of those book editing standards librarians know, and they know their stuff. And so if they see that a book does not meet those kind of standards, they see typos, they see a cover that's terrible, you're not going to get brought into a library unless they really, really need that subject matter. And so again, this is about sometimes you have to be as good or better than a traditionally published book to be the book that they choose. And I believe that again, if this is something that's really important to you, you know, put your love and care into your production. And I think that others will love and care about your title as well. And it won't matter if you're self published. And I think that's one of the reasons why 90% of the libraries don't realize, I shouldn't say 90%. 90% of the libraries have, have purchased self published books and I would say it's probably closer to 100%. They just don't realize it. They just don't realize that a title is self published. So if your book is at a quality that nobody even thinks twice about it, then it won't matter if you self published or went traditional. It's going to come down to those other factors that we've talked about. And that's number 10. Getting into the local library is going to be dependent on demand and getting into libraries across the country is going to be dependent on demand. Sales reviews, getting into some of these lists, and of course the subject matter of your book. Librarians are connected to their community and they care deeply about supporting the people who support their library. So their book listings, their book programming, a lot of those things is wildly varied, but it's really focused on the things that will make their community and support their, their patrons in a bigger, better way. So like I said, if you didn't weren't here at the beginning, a lot of the topics that people were looking for programming around were things like career women's empowerment. Sorry, just blanked. Career women's empowerment. There was esl. They're looking for teen programming. They're also looking for people who will come in and, you know, do parenting workshops even. And self publishing was a big programming demand as well, helping people write. A lot of libraries get people who want to write hanging out there. So, which isn't surprising. So that was really interesting. And then of course I've said this from the beginning, if you want your book listed in the local library, just get your friends and family that have library cards to request it. And that is the best way to get things rolling in a local library. Okay, do we have any questions? I haven't seen any questions come up, but I'm happy to take any questions. And I have, I think one more prize if we have hit 28 yet. Have we hit 28 yet, Angela? And yes, thank you S.D. houston for encouraging everyone to hit that like button. Libraries also have great video store like feels section. Yes, they, they. I was actually talking to a couple of librarians and they're investing a lot in technology. A lot of it's for kids and learning, but they are, you know, they're buying these iPad like things that people can take out and they have gaming for learning, languages for studying. Yeah, there's a lot of investment in technology in a lot of libraries. But interestingly, you know, they, and they're investing heavily in ebooks and Audiobooks and all of the digital stuff. But a lot of the libraries say, like, you can't beat the demand for taking out a physical book. Covid did increase the demand for digital lending, but people are coming back and they want that physical version of the book, you know, so much more. Oh, see, Mike and Angela are both voting for charity to be a winner today. So congratulations, charity. The prizes are self published and succeed the mug or the journal. You need to email angelaeamooklaunchers.com and let her know your mailing address and your choice. And thanks, Mike, and thanks, Angela. All right. Did I give two YouTube prizes? I think I only did one. Right. Okay, let me do the other YouTube prize while you guys see if you have any last minute questions before we wrap up for today. Let's see. Okay, my button's just spinning here. Give me one moment, please. Oh. Oh, that's awesome. J A F Dolls. And I know, I know you were here, so congratulations. That's great. I hope you're still here to find out that you won. You were my next YouTube commenting prize and the Charm Studio. You're welcome. I'm gonna have these comments and thoughts distilled a little more and then I will shoot a more formal video kind of summarizing thoughts on libraries. And it'll probably come out in August or September after I've had time to digest and kind of go through everything and refine these. But this is my preliminary look. Literally hot off the plane to share with all of you, so. So thank you. All right, I don't see any questions, so I think that's a wrap for today. So again, this is our last video until August. We'll be back the first Tuesday in August. I will miss all of you. You are welcome to comment and chat with me on any videos. I'm not going anywhere. Just taking the month of July off from posting and then we'll be back mid August with another live stream and our deep dives will be back in September. So hope you all have a fabulous July. Make the most of it. We only get like eight. Eight weekends in the summer, maybe, maybe 12. But make the most of all the weekends you've got. And I look forward to hearing some stories and answering your questions in August. All right, take care.