How to Choose the Right Audiobook Strategy in 2026 (Without Wasting Money)

All right, how to choose the right audiobook strategy in 2026. If you're working on a book right now or you have one that's already out, you've probably been asked if you're doing an audiobook. But audiobooks take time, money— well, they're just energy intensive. So the question can be, is it worth it? And nowadays there's so many different ways to produce and distribute an audiobook, which is a good thing, but it can also make it confusing and uncertain. Like, how do you know if you've chosen the right path for you, for your goals, for the resources that you have? So that's what we're going to talk about today. Um, I'm Julie, the Book Broad, founder of Book Launchers, and of course your host here at booklaunchers.tv. And I've already seen, I think it, I saw Gary saying hello. I saw Bruce Wayne in the house. So if you're here, do say hello. Angela just popped in too. And of course, if you're watching the replay, you can say hello in the replay too. I check all the comments. So let's keep on going here. So lots has happened lately. Um, ACX recently announced a change in how they're going to pay you. So we'll talk about that today. But also, and I was hoping today I was going to be able to do a full demo for you of the interactive audiobook. However, the beta is not quite functioning to the point where I can share it, but very soon I should be able to do a full video and show you the interactive audiobook. I demoed it a little while, I think back in January, um, They have continued to improve their beta. You can see their website right now. It is sinai.ai, I believe. In fact, let me open it up for you and show you. One second. Here we go. I should be able to show you this. Let's just see if this will allow me to share my screen. Where is it? Window. And let's see, there it is. Okay, here we go. So this is, this is the Interactive Audiobook Company that I demoed back a while ago where I used, used it to produce the second edition of Self-Publish and Succeed. And, and so this is the company where you can talk with, talk with your book. It automatically translates it into French and Spanish. So it is a really, really cool program. As you can see here, it's still in beta, and I was still hoping to be able to show you the version of it now in beta of my book, but my access was not quite working the way I needed it to, to be able to show you. But you can check this out, and then as soon as the beta version that I have is working properly, I will do a video for you all checking it out. But you can see this, like, you can get it to read, create reading guides. It can summarize, it can extract pieces and create notes on the fly. So when Gary's driving and he's listening to Self-Publish and Succeed or Self-Promote and Succeed, he can go, okay, wait, what did— what was just said? And he can interact with it, and then he can go, okay, great, that last paragraph, copy paste and put it in my notebook. And so it's fully interactive. So it's not just, you know, the translation like it says, It is also talking to it and being able to have it save your notes or say, wait a minute, what was that last sentence? Okay, what does that word mean? Like she just said exclusive distribution. What does exclusive distribution mean? And it will give you the answers back. So it's pretty, pretty cool. But we're not talking in detail about that platform today because like I said, it's not fully, fully launched yet, but I'm excited for it. And I do believe this is one of the reasons why I keep saying that books are not format optional anymore. This is, while they are early to the space of people being able to, or early to the space of people using it and knowing about interactive audiobooks and getting comfortable with it, I do believe that, you know, especially when you think about the use cases of how many people are driving around listening to their audiobooks, wanting to take notes, wanting to have it back up without having to push the buttons and being able to talk to it. I think this is going to be a pretty incredible platform, whether it's Sinai or somebody else doing it. But, but anyways, all that's to say, let's get into it because there is AI narration options. There's professional narrators, there's do-it-yourself, there's Audible, and they've changed how royalties work, Spotify, you know, ElevenLabs, ElevenReader. So there's lots to talk about to figure out what the right strategy is for you and for your book so that you're being efficient and effective. Okay. So, you know, that starts with your goal. Then it's considering, given your goal and your resources, how are you going to produce it? And then based on how you produce it, where are you going to be able to distribute it? And, and what do you do with it? So, so before we talk about how to do it, we want to talk about why you're doing it. Because a lot of authors, they try to calculate what the ROI, what the return on investment is going to be for their audiobook. In other words, they're trying to figure out, will it make me money? Chances are that your audiobook, if you were to narrate it yourself, um, maybe using equipment that you have at home for podcasting or, you know, studio, and say a typical nonfiction book that we work on— because you can hire us if you haven't worked with us on your book, you can hire us to edit, produce, master, and set your audiobook up for distribution. And so if you do that, it's, you know, for, for the typical-sized nonfiction book is $3,500 or $3,850 depending on a few factors, um, if you hire us to do it. So, um, you know, that, you know, right there, and you go, okay, well, if I'm gonna make $4 or $5 per audiobook sold, now I have to sell, you know, 800 audiobook versions of your book. Possible but not common. Okay, so I think that's important to understand is that your audiobook will, you know, pay potentially sell as many copies as your print book. Your ebook will not sell that many copies, maybe when it's on 99-cent deal, but on a typical day, your print book will probably sell the most, your audiobook will sell the second most, and your digital version, your ebook, will sell the third most. And if you have a hardcover, it's gonna sell the least, typically. Always exceptions, okay? But generally speaking, that's the thing. So when you say specifically, will my audiobook make me money? Probably not directly, right? That's, that's the real honest answer, is that, you know, there's maybe 20% of the authors, um, and that might, that might even be high, honestly. Um, but, you know, there's probably 20% of the authors that are going to make their money back from their audiobook. But I think that's the wrong question, okay? Especially because, you know, most of the time a single nonfiction book is not going to make any author rich on book sales alone, right? This is, this is a goal of authority building, leveraging it, and, you know, utilizing it as the beautiful intellectual property that it is. But for most nonfiction authors, it's, you know, an audiobook on its own is not really going to be a revenue play. It's a visibility, a discoverability, and an authority play. And ultimately, this is the point that I can't emphasize enough. If someone hears about you from all the efforts you're putting through, you know, maybe you're, you're going deep on Author Launch Kit, which we're spending the month of May doing an intensive with all of our lifetime license holders that wanted to participate. Um, we're doing a 30-day implementation month. So maybe you're going hard on that and somebody finds your book. Hooray! But they only buy audiobooks and it's not available in audio. You have lost a sale. But even bigger than that, you've lost a reader and the opportunity to build a relationship, because there is no, no, to find me later. There's, you know, very few places, or, you know, very few people even, that will go to the effort of trying to find you somewhere else and connect with you or buy it in a different format. You've lost them, okay? So that's really, really important, because if somebody is an audiobook listener, they don't switch formats, they just move on. And so that's where I think the real value is in this, because if you're not in the format that your audience prefers, you're not discoverable to them. And now you have lost that long-term relationship and that ability to have your material consumed. By the way, speaking of, you know, being consumed, I put this in the launch letter this week. So if you're not subscribed to our newsletter, highly recommend you grab it. You could get it at booklaunchers.com/newsletter. But I put the story in there because Nick Hutchison, one of our authors, he wrote Rise of the Reader. Someone from overseas read his book and contacted him and gave him equity in their company to be on their board. And that happened because they consumed his book. And I actually— this would be an even better story for today if it was audio, but I don't know if it was the audiobook. All I know is that he got equity and has been advising them, and it was all a result of his book getting consumed. So hopefully, you know, okay, listen, I need an audiobook. Now, there's lots of options to produce your audiobook. There's more options now than ever before, and I think it's not necessarily just a matter of picking the best option. Because hands down, the best option for most authors is going to be for you to narrate it yourself. Again, this isn't fiction. We're not performing our book. We know our words inside and out. This is about the best option for your goals and for, you know, the resources that you have. Because the best option for almost everyone is going to be, be the narrator yourself. However, when you factor in goals, time, budget, that may make that not an option. So my recommendation is the closer the voice is to you, the more powerful your audiobook will be. In other words, my ranking as far as production options go, um, because, you know, who knows the production options we're talking about here, right? We've got— we can narrate it ourselves, we can use a digital voice, we can use a voice clone, um, or we can have a professional narrator. Right? So we have lots of different ways. And I'm sorry, I'm just reading the comments and we're cheering for hockey teams, except for nobody's cheering for the Knights. Go Golden Knights! They beat Anaheim last night. Yay! But I do see a go Sabres. Anyways, so too many pictures in his book to do audio, Bruce says. I call the genre that I made up memoirabilia. But he's here to listen and learn and share and participate, which we are always grateful for. So thanks Um, all right, so as I was talking about the different, the different ways to narrate, right? We've got your voice, your voice clone, digital voice, and professional narrator. My personal preference is, is if, if all things are equal, so you've got the time, you've got the money, you've got the energy, um, let's do you as the narrator. Okay, so that's my number, uh, number one, and that gives you the widest distribution options as well. That's, that's the deepest level of connection, authority, and distribution. Okay, which means you have the highest discoverability. My second choice, and some people will disagree with this, but my second choice is your voice clone, which I— we, we are affiliates with ElevenLabs. So if you do choose to use them, I'm always grateful for you using our affiliate links. It's, you know, the payouts are nice, but really we're building partnerships, and the more these companies see that we are sending them people, the stronger our partnerships get. So that's why we love when people use our affiliate links. So booklaunchers.com/11labs. And I think Angela will put it in the, in the chat, and then I will put it in the description below for those watching the replay. The voice clone. And I also have a couple of videos which, you know, since Angela's just sitting there, I'll send her over to YouTube to go grab the two videos that I've done on ElevenLabs recently and distributing your book to ElevenReader. So there's one on how to voice clone your book on ElevenLabs, and then there's another one on how to set it up to distribute on ElevenReader. The voice clone, why I say it's the next best thing, because again, you know, nonfiction, we're trying to build authority and credibility and that know, like, and trust factor. And while your voice clone is not the same as you, and thank goodness for that, because at the end of the day, we still want the human versions of ourselves to be the ones that are the most relatable and the most connecting. That said, you know, your voice clone can get pretty darn close, and it's still going to be better, I think, than the disconnect that a weird digital voice will create. Or for me, even a professional narrator— and I always give this example of The Subtle Art of Not Giving enough, right? I'd heard Mark, um, Mark Manson. I'm sure I just forgot his name. I just liked— but I heard him on quite a few podcasts. I was familiar with his voice. And then when I was listening to his book, and it's such a, you know, so personal, and it's so strong of a voice, to have it not be in his voice was so disconnecting for me. It really, really threw me off. And so, um, so that was, that was hard. And I think that's why I'm so passionate about you know, you, your voice first and your voice clone second, and then a professional narrator third. And, you know, some people will say find a voice that has likeness to you, um, you know, that's up to you. How, you know, for me it's like what voice feels the right one to you, um, you know, they can sound incredible, but again, I'm going that connection point and you want your voice. The fourth choice is a fully synthetic voice, and I did do a video using Amazon's virtual voice system quite a while ago. I took my first book, More Than Cash Flow, and used it as an example. It was fine. I wasn't, I wasn't super excited by it. That said, ElevenLabs has some incredible voices that you can choose from, and so you could choose a fully synthetic voice, I believe. Well, not I believe, I know you can also license some celebrity voices. So if you want a celebrity voice to read your book, to narrate your book, um, in some cases I believe they're available for license use inside of ElevenLabs, so you can check that out as well. But that's my rank order, right? Okay, um, now of course the cost reality on each of these— your, your time is your time, um, but if you rent a studio or you use your equipment at home, you know, there's— those are costs. Um, if you do the voice clone with ElevenLabs, it's the cost of a month of service with ElevenLabs. It's not super expensive. I think it at the highest level that you need, I think it's $99. I'll just double-check that for you right now. Here, I will also share the screen so you can see what I am looking at, if I can. Let's see, this is it right here. So there's 11Labs and their pricing. Let's click on this. So I believe, I mean, you could do it for as little as $6 a month, what I had used when I produced my, um, because I used ElevenLabs to produce the second edition of Self-Publish and Succeed. I believe I used the Pro plan, but we are not Pro subscribers anymore. We were able to just use it for a month and then unsubscribe afterwards. But the Creator probably does a lot of this, right? So you've got professional voice cloning and additional credits. This gave you the better output. So if you're ready to rock, $99 and you can have your voice cloned version produced. And actually, while I'm here, I think you guys should be able to see this. Why don't we do a quick draw for everybody who's here and has said hello? Um, so let's— I see questions coming in. We will answer questions at the end, I believe. So, um, all right, so if you've said hello, um, I— your name is in here and we are going to draw, and Angela can tell you what is in her closet these days. There's 8 people— it's actually probably 7 because book launchers can't win. I always joke that Angela can just walk to her closet and see what she would like that day if she wins. Renee, hey, I'm glad to have you here. I didn't see you come in, so hello and welcome. And I don't know what you haven't won yet, so let Angela know. She's got books, she's got journals, she's probably got some mugs And you can just email her at team@— oops, I didn't mean to do that. Stop, stop. Okay, we'll save it for later. We'll pop back after. We'll see who was the winner. All right, so she's got prizes. So email her at team@booklaunchers.com and she can let you know what you can win. And of course, send her your address so she knows where to send it. But thank you. Um, okay, so, um, let's stop sharing the ElevenLabs and carry on with this. So with all this said, there's a cost reality to all of this. So I kind of addressed that the human is going to be, uh, I mean, ultimately human will be the most expensive. It requires the most editing, it requires the most production, um, it requires equipment. And so it is going to be the most expensive. If you narrate yourself, it's going to be the most energy and time intensive, which is why I did not narrate the second edition of Self-Publish and Succeed because I did not have 3 days to dedicate to it back when I launched it. And now it's, you know, just a great talking point for me to discuss the different options and why I've done the different versions. If you hire a professional narrator, you can expect to have an added fee on it depending on their level of experience. And the only caveat I'll put on that is sometimes the professional narrator is also an editor and producer, and in that case, the cost isn't substantially higher than what it would cost you to just have your book edited and produced and mastered on its own. It'll be a little bit more because obviously they're doing the narration, but, but some editors are— sorry, some voice actors, if you will, or narrators, are also editors, and they can be fairly cost-effective. In other cases, you're sending it to an editor still, so you're paying the narrator as well as the editor. There are some services, um, and I don't know, actually I haven't looked lately, but there were some kind of, uh, places where you could do 50/50 royalty splits with the narrators. But I think for the most part, most narrators don't do that anymore because they weren't, um, you know, that just didn't generate very much money for the work that has to go into it. Uh, and then the cost, there was one other. Oh, the digital voice. So on Amazon, as an example, the digital voice is free. But of course Amazon takes their cut on the other side. So when the book sells, you're getting a minimal, minimal amount because, you know, they gave, they gave you the technology to produce it with. My recommendation here— so a lot of people I know skip the audiobook because they can't get the perfect solution for themselves. And I would not— don't optimize for perfect, optimize for presence, which means if you are in a situation like I was when I launched the second edition of Self-Publish and Succeed, you need— the ideal is that it's my voice, right? That I narrate it. But I did not have the ideal situation, so I didn't optimize for perfection, which, you know, frankly, my voice would not be perfect anyways. But I didn't optimize to make it the perfect thing. I just optimized to get it out there. And that is my recommendation because a lot of people are saving money and spinning wheels and not doing it. And, and there is an option that would allow you to have an audiobook right now. Now, if you have an image-intensive book, you probably just don't want to do it. It's not going to be a good experience, as we were discussing with Bruce Wayne's book. But ultimately, you know, the 85 to 90% of nonfiction books that are a great fit for an audiobook, they should be doing some version of this because there's, there's a price point, there's an energy level, there's a path for you. But now you produce it, now where do you distribute it, right? So of course I want to mention the Audible change that just came out. Um, ultimately Audible, you know, love them, don't love them, I'm in the middle. Um, they are still the go-to marketplace for audiobook discoverability. You know, Audible, of course Amazon, and Apple Books. That's where ACX reaches. And ultimately, you know, they don't pay you that well, but this is where the majority of listeners are still finding their audiobooks. They have great global reach and they have built a lot more ears around their member listening. Now the new model— the old model is getting sunsetted at the end of 2026. Which was, you know, you got paid per listen or per, um, you know, per credit used, you'd get paid. Um, now it's going to be even less transparent. Um, it's $50— $50, I wish— it's 50% royalty, um, or if you're exclusive, and 30% if you're not exclusive. And again, I, I know it's a juicy difference, but I don't recommend being exclusive with Audible or Amazon or any player, right? I recommend that you have your book available in a lot of different places so that somebody finds you where they want to find you. But also should Amazon decide to shut you down one day, that you still have the ability to sell your book and find readers while you fight Amazon for whatever it is that they say that you did wrong. And believe me, we're experiencing something not the same as this, but we've had a hack. We had a hacker hack into our Google Ads and then our Google Ad account got shut down and then it got reinstated and then it got shut down again. And we rely quite heavily on Google Ads. So now I've, you know, with this shutdown, we're realizing how vulnerable our own funnel is, you know, at Book Launchers without that ad strategy or that ad channel. So it's a great wake-up for me that we really need to diversify there because here I am telling you, don't go exclusive with Amazon. And we, I mean, we're not exclusive with Google Ads. We do have other funnel sources, but it was a dominant one, and, and without it, it, it hurts. So if you know anybody who needs some book launching services, book support, we have book marketing packages as well as writing, editing, and producing your book. Just reach out. But ultimately, Audible is the one that has the widest reach. So even though I don't love how they're not they're even less transparent with this new rollout that's happening by the end of the year. It is still, I think, the best place to have your audiobook. Now, that said, if you choose option, uh, the option of, uh, voice clone or digital narration not through Amazon Virtual Voice, you will not be able to distribute it through their platform. Okay, so that is the caveat there. Spotify audiobooks, um, its English language audiobook catalog grew from 150,000 to 400,000 titles. That is still not a lot, so you are more discoverable in Spotify than you are anywhere else. And ultimately, they also reported that there's more than 35% growth in the listeners over year over year for US, UK, and Australia. They have good reach. The discoverability upside's very high with Spotify for Authors right now. And also, if you are podcasting or doing a lot of podcasts, I do think that it is an absolute must to be on there. And you are not limited if you have used a virtual voice clone or a digital voice to produce your book. So of course, they, they, they will accept your book in, in that. And it may be where I think a lot of new listeners are getting kind of trained. So authors being there, I think, is going to be very beneficial. Voices by InAudio— this was formerly Findaway Voices, basically, um, Findaway Voices with Spotify and Findaway, and then split off into Spotify for Authors and Voices by InAudio. Um, so it's the successor, if you will, to Findaway Voices, a lot of the same team. Is there. They position themselves as the world's largest audiobook network, so non-exclusive distribution to retails, libraries. That's one of the reasons why I do love them, is it gets your audiobook into libraries and other educational channels. I think it is the— you know, I do recommend that you upload to them for wide non-exclusive distribution and You know, reporting and royalties do vary by retailer and channel, but it does give you really good sales reports. They pay fast and they have good, a good platform for working with them. So this is the wide strategy, and generally speaking, I still upload to Spotify separately, but you can upload to Voices by InAudio and it will also distribute to Spotify for Authors. Cool. I know this is detailed and a lot, but you can pause, you can rewind, you can put me on 0.5 speed. I always smile because I get a lot of complaints in the comments for some of my videos that you're talking too fast. I'm like, just put me on 0.5. You can always change the speed on a video. Okay, let's see, 11Reader. That's what I wanted to talk about next. Okay, so 11Reader, 11 Labs. Again, it's emerging. It is not a hotbed for discoverability. I don't know, I actually have to check. I think I, I think I have not made very much money from them. I don't even think I've had a payout from them. I did just get the book up there, I think in February, I'm not sure. But it's an AI narrative audiobook path, so it gives you speed, it gives you some access. And, you know, these are tech-forward people that are going to be using 11Reader. So not as discoverable as Audible or Spotify, but they will pay you 60% of every sale off of 11Reader. I think I'm having hesitation on that. Um, but this is where I distributed— I'm one of the places where I distributed my voice-cloned version of Self-Publish and Succeed, the second edition. Um, it's not a replacement for the audiobook distribution strategies that we've already mentioned. But, you know, hey, I, I think it's a signal of where books are going. And, uh, and I, you know, I thought the platform was amazing to use for 11Labs, and so feeding it into 11Reader just makes sense. Um, so that's, that's where I'm at on them. But you're not— like I said, I don't even think I've seen a payout from 11Reader yet. I don't think it's widely used at stage yet, but they are putting more effort and intention behind promoting it and growing it. Finally, you know, there's platforms like Sinai that are coming, but I would say direct distribution is the next one. For me, I use BookFunnel. So if you go to Book Launchers— I gotta double-check the link because I got it wrong last time— Book Launchers, I think it's free audio. It doesn't have the second edition version, but if you go to booklaunchers.com/freeaudio, I think this is the second edition of Self-Publish and Succeed, so the Voice Cloned version. Um, it's not showing for some— it's not showing my second edition cover, so it might be the original. Um, but that is an example of a landing page through BookFunnel. So that is how I distribute my audiobooks. You can sell it through those kind of platforms. I just give it away, right? I, you know, again, going back to how much money I'm going to make on an audiobook, I am happy to give you a copy so that you can listen, and I will get your email address so we can become friends. If not friends, at least we can stay in touch. So ultimately, BookFunnel is how I direct distribute, but there are other ways to do it. Some people use Payhip, other platforms. Finally, I didn't put it on here, but I probably should have. You can also you can also just don't use chipmunk speed. I mean, sometimes I listen to audiobooks on 2x speed, but you can also distribute your audiobook through YouTube. So Angela, can you grab the playlist for, from Self-Promote and Succeed? What I did, and you don't have to do it this way, you can just upload the audio version, but I filmed myself while I was recording Self-Promote and Succeed. And then I uploaded it to YouTube as a playlist. So you can also listen here. The disadvantage of this is when somebody consumes the book, they— I don't get their email address. The advantage is that you can see I'm a human narrating my book live and in person. And, and, you know, the other slight advantage is that when you watch and listen, I will make money, albeit small amounts, but I will make money from YouTube ads. So you will get interrupted throughout each chapter, and I'll make a few— probably not even a few bucks, but I'll make some cents, or Book Launchers will, whenever you are consuming it there. So lots of different ways to put your audiobook out there. And again, you don't have to film yourself while you are narrating your audiobook for this to work. A lot of people just put a chapter title page and add the audio file to it. And that is how they upload their audiobook and create a playlist with it. So I'm almost done, and then we will take questions. So the last piece is how to decide. Okay, so what should you actually do? For most authors, the decision is going to come down to, you know, do I have the budget for this? Do I have the time? And can I let go of my perfectionism to choose a path that may not be the perfect path, right? Perfectionism usually is the most expensive one. And it also can mean that you choose not to release a book in the format that your reader really wants it in. So you don't need, you don't need perfect, right? You need something that allows you to be discoverable and that is representative of your work. You know, AI or simple, just get it out. I think ultimately a voice clone, it does take a little bit of time to edit it to make it as strong as it can be. But, you know, it's the lowest cost and fastest way to produce an audiobook, but you can't distribute it on Audible. So that trade-off is pretty big for some people. So, but if budget or time is an issue, it is a great option. And if time and budget are your issue, don't let them hold you back from having an audiobook and being able to give it away to generate leads to, to help people, right? So, so many authors got into the business to have an impact, right? Income was part of this, but impact was important. And if you're not there in that format, it's— you're missing out on those people. Again, you don't need the perfect audiobook. You need the right audiobook for where you are right now. And you can always go back and narrate it personally later when you have time, energy, or the budget to do so. Okay. I think, I think that's all my points. I saw questions come in, so I am going to, I'm going to take your questions. But hopefully this helped you think differently about your audiobook strategy, or at least if not think differently, it gave you clarity about which path to choose and how to go about it. And of course, if you want more help with this, I'm happy to discuss it in the comments and/or come on over to our school community at booklaunchers.com/skool. It's free to join, and there are amazing people. Many of them you've already heard and seen in the comments here today, but they are there and are experienced and can answer questions or point you to one of my many YouTube videos, which often answer the questions that are coming up. So, all right, Angela, what have we got for questions? All right, David says, do you have a video on the equipment and software required to record the audiobook yourself? Yes, there's a few videos. One is a little older, Angela. It's on recording an audiobook at home, and that one covers it. The, the— honestly, the microphone required is not as complex as it was then. I still recommend you get a pop filter, but the microphones nowadays versus then are so good. You don't have to you know, go to as many links as I talked about there, but I did talk about that piece there. Then there's another video I think I did on kind of all things audiobook narration or preparing to narrate your audiobook, another video that could be, could be useful. Is this platform user-friendly for organizing chapters and sub-chapters in the book from Notes Hub spoke. Don't know what platform you are referring to.

I was just gonna say, yeah, I'm not sure either. Um, so Linda, I believe you're still in the chat. If you could, um, remind us which specific platform you were talking about, we'll re-put your question back up here. Um, and then this is the last question right now, Julie, until we get that one.

I thought Kindle was forcing a text-to-voice book via tools. You can still do virtual voice for that. Kindle has the option, I believe, for the VoiceBook, which is an accessibility play. I don't know if I would say it's forcing the book, but it is— they're doing it for accessibility. So I think that addresses what you're saying, but I'm not certain.

Okay, well then I haven't seen a further item come in from Linda about her first question, so I think we might be good.

Cool. All right, let's do our last— or actually reveal— well, actually, I don't know, we'll do one more draw because some other people may have said hello since the— yeah, yeah, so I don't want to exclude the new folks that have arrived. So let's go here. And okay, it was Gary. Sorry, Gary, you might win again still. All right, and our final winner of the day is Isaac. Yay, congratulations! So email Angela at team@booklaunchers.com. Let her know if you want one of our, our hashtag #NoBoringBooks mugs, she has, uh, oh so soft journals, she has copies of Self-Publish and Succeed, Self-Promote and Succeed. And I think that that is what we have right now. Um, so a couple things before we wrap up for the day. We do have a virtual summit happening in June. It is going to be all about building your business from your book. So once you've got your book, what are you going to do to get that book into the hands of readers and leverage that We're talking about that. It's going to be June 24th and 25th, free to register, booklaunchers.com/summit. And Angela will, I'm sure, put the link in. And then also two other things to know about. We are going to be at IBPA happening. IBPA, PubU, PubUniversity or PubU is what they call it. Sarah on our team will be speaking and hosting a booth there. Great event. And IBPA is a great company association to work with as an author. So booklaunchers.com/ibpa is our affiliate link if you want to check them out and check out PubView. And then finally, I also wanted to mention the Book Thinkers Live event, which is happening in Boston in July. And, and I don't know the exact dates. I don't know if Angela can find the link quick enough, but this is going to be a fantastic event for any authors looking to level up. So if you're in and around the Boston area or you're willing to travel, I highly recommend you come on, come on over to this event. I'm going to be doing a short talk, but I'm in between Jim Quick and Rory Baden and some other amazing speakers. There's going to be 400 to 500 authors in the room. Almost everybody in the room has written a book, so it should be a really, really great event. And our client Nick Hutchison, Rise of the Reader author, is the host of that event. So that's what's happening. Hope to see you guys around. We aren't doing any more lives this month. We'll be doing a state of book publishing inside of our school community near the end of the month. But otherwise, we'll be back here in June with our next live. All right, take care.