How to Write a Great Non-Fiction Book | Live Replay

All right. Hello and welcome, everybody. I am really excited. So those of you who already are concerned about my caffeine intake and how fast I can talk, this might not be the day for you. Yeah, I'm really, really excited because Linnae St. John, who wrote Readme A Parental Primer for the Talk, she. We just found out that she made the semifinal list for the book prize, or the Book Life, which is a Publisher Weekly contest that they run. And the prize is judged by, like, Publisher Weekly reviewers, their editors, acclaimed authors, and publishing veterans. So it's a pretty cool award. And the finalists in each of the categories get a grand prize of $5,000. So this is really, really exciting. She's now in amongst the top 20. So there are four categories and there's five books in each of the four categories. And so, yeah, she's made it down to the semifinals. So I am crazy, crazy excited for her and her book. And I can't wait to find out to see who the finalists are. And you're actually going to get to see an Author Spotlight video from Linnae coming up. I think it'll be published early April. She's second. So we have one other Author spotlight coming up next week, I believe, and then it'll be Linnae, so you'll be able to meet her and hear some cool tips from her. But, yeah, I just had to start with that because I'm really, really excited. And it also really fits with today's topic because today we're really talking about how to write a book that is worthy of a Book Life prize. So when I'm talking about writing a book, I'm not just talking about writing a book that's going to get published fast and be out there. I'm really talking about a book that's going to have impact on your reader and impact on you and your life, because you've carefully crafted a great book with a powerful message that are going to read and care about and that could get ranked into the finals. We had another client who made it into the quarterfinals, and so this is really. This is really cool. I think it was quarterfinals. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was. Maybe not. Maybe it was just the ratings. I'm getting it mixed up. There's a lot going on, a lot of really great client wins happening around. So I'm having trouble keeping them all straight. Regardless, it is about writing a great, great book. And so if you're sitting there going, I have an idea, but I don't know where to start. Or maybe you've started and stopp your book, some people say. I've been working on this book for over a decade. So this is really going to help you get started with that book and really create a great plan to write it. So that's what we're talking about today. So if you're here, make sure you give that a thumbs up. Let me know and make sure you say hello like Kevin has, like Kara has. Hey, Kara. I don't recognize your name, so welcome. I think you're new. Poetry from the heart. I was just noticing that there weren't comments from you. At least not. I don't think I saw your name go in the draw. Maybe only once. So it's good to see you here, Rachel. Yay, you made it. I know your name is in the list. And so, you guys, I have to tell you, while I'm saying hello to everybody, the mug is empty. Today. I couldn't get my printer to work, so all that came off of the printer was like garbly gook. So I'm going to be using an automated randomizer today. So no, no draws in the mug, which is too bad. I have to figure out what's going on with my printer and why it won't print. So I sent them to Angela, but I've also got them queued up into the randomizer on my computer. So we'll probably do that. But do say hello, those of you who are tuning in, because we do prizes for those of you who are here live. And of course, if you're new, you may not know, but the prizes are this fabulous book, Launchers. Oh, you were sick. I'm so sorry to hear that. Well, I missed you. I noticed that you weren't around. So the prizes are the fabulous hashtag noboringbooksmonth and of course, the oh so soft journal, which I was just writing in. So there we go. Okay, so let me just finish saying hello to everybody. Angela's on board, so she'll be hopefully coming up with some cool ways that we're going to figure out who wins who's live today. Vince, hello. Working on your second book. Congrats. And Kevin McGuire, do you have a recommended count for nonfiction? Yeah, so this is a good question. So for nonfiction books generally, you know, you're looking at a typical nonfiction book is going to be somewhere between the 50,000 to 65,000 word range. You know, anything under 30,000 words is light and it's harder to kind of feel like it's a book of any sort of substance. So we're generally shooting for 35,000 or above, but not more than 70. 75,000. Like that becomes quite a big, big book. I don't know if Jacqueline is here. She knows all the word counts. I know she had quite a schedule, but she knows the word counts on a lot of these books. Like this book, I believe got into the hundred thousand word range. 90,000 for sure. So it's a big, big book. When you contrast it to this book, which I just happen to have here, which you can see the difference. And I think. I think Jillian's book was about. I'm just going to check the page number so I can give you guys a guess. Yeah, her book was probably 60,000 words. So you can kind of compare the two. But this is a good sized book. Like this is comfortable. So that's a great range. So hopefully that helps you. I also have chapter four is 15,000 words. I want to break that one up. I also do have a video where I showed you and I had the actual word counts on them. I think it was how big is your book? Or does book size matter? Or something like that. I don't know if Angela can find it on the buy. She might not know what video I'm looking for. But there is one there, Kevin, that compares it. All right, Aubrey, hello. Welcome. Okay. And I think that's it. Well, Rachel. So she's asking if 30k mark would be considered a novella. A novella. That's a fiction term. It's not. Let's see. Who do I have here? That's kind of 30,000. Sorry for leaving the screen for a minute. Just trying to grab one that's smaller. I'm not finding this one. This one was just over. It's a little squished. Sorry, Mark. So this one, I think was just over 30,000 words. So again, I'll give you the contrast. So there and there for contrast. So you can see it's. It's smaller in all, you know, and thinner. But it's still a decent, you know, still a decent book. Might have been 35,000. Okay, let's kick back over to the topic at hand and if you guys have more questions, go ahead. And of course, if you're here, do smash that thumbs up button because it's just fun. I don't know if YouTube even cares anymore, but, you know, it makes me feel good. Okay, so let's see. Oh, yeah. Okay. So we're talking about writing a nonfiction book. And one of the reasons I thought we would cover this today is because I'VE been going to quite a few conferences, and last week we were at or a couple weeks ago, we were at Podcast Movement in Los Angeles. And I'm just about to go to Orlando for VidFest and PodFest. And I meet a lot of people who say things like, I've been working on this book forever, or they've written a book and it's not selling. And this is the one that always makes me the saddest is when they've gone to the effort of even hiring editors and they have a book that looks decent, it's grammatically correct, but it's not great. And as I talk to them about their process, I find that they skipped the important early steps. And a lot of people, a lot of people, and I'm just as guilty of this, you guys, is they just. Inspiration hits and they sit down and they write. And that's really how I wrote my first book, More Than Cash Flow, and it did very well. But I actually put myself through a lot of pain in that process. There was, I think, 35,000 words that got cut and were never, never seen again. And I also had to spend, I think, four or five months in editing to get the book into shape. Whereas if I had had a plan from the start, the book probably would have been tighter to begin with. And I don't think editing would have been so grueling. The other thing is, when you write without a plan, you often don't have enough clarity around your goals, around your reader, around the impact that you want to have. And your book will not have as powerful of an impact as a result. In a way, I was kind of lucky with More Than Cash Flow, because that is what I did right? And I did it well. I knew exactly who I was writing the book for and why I thought they should read it. So I had that clarity crystal clear before I started by accident, you know, I didn't know that that was super important, but I was kind of on a mission when I wrote that book, which really help and why it did so well. So number one is get clear on your goal. But I want to caution you from setting goals like, I want to be a New York Times bestseller, or I want to sell 10,000 books, even. And this is really something I've gotten really clear on recently. So even if you've watched all my videos, I don't even think I've put this into one of my polished videos yet. Because really, what I've seen working with all the authors we've worked with in the Last little bit is when that is your goal, when you're really focused on what the book is going to do for you and, you know, selling a lot of books, becoming the known expert, all of those kind of things. They. The big thing is you're making yourself the product, not the book. And when you do that, this creates a challenge. Your ego comes into play in a big way. And when your ego is in play with your book, what is already a very, very emotional thing becomes even more emotional. And whenever your ego gets involved, that's when the monst come out of the closet. And you guys in the comments go ahead and tell me who your monsters are. I'm going to introduce you to my biggest two. Not here, don't worry, they're still in the closet. But my biggest two monsters. And they come out whenever I'm no longer acting in service, when I'm not acting in service, and I start acting from a place of ego. This is when my monsters come out in a big way. And my biggest monster is a fear of judgment. It is a big, ugly, gross, mean monster. And it comes out in full force when I am acting from a place of ego. And then my second biggest monster is imposter syndrome. And imposter syndrome also comes out when I'm acting from a place of ego. Because I think, oh, who am I to say this? Who am I to, you know, try and help people? Who am I? Right? So I don't know who you guys have for monsters, but those are my two biggies. Of course, fear of failure, and even to a smaller degree, for me, fear of success is also there. But every author I meet has to contend with these monsters. And I think if you set out from the start with a goal that isn't focused on you, it's rather focused on your reader. You put those monsters in the closet and make it easier to keep them in there. And so what I'm trying to say is focus on a specific goal for a specific reader. So if I go back to my book, More than Cash Flow, like I said, this is the thing I did accidentally write is when I wrote this book, because I had gone through the wringer with Wiley thinking I was getting a book. And they ultimately came back to me and said, no, marketing department doesn't think you'll be able to sell enough books for a book deal. I kind of had to let my ego. My ego was squished, kicked out of this. And I said, after a while, I said, you know what? No, this book needs to be written. I need to teach people that, you know, if you are going to become a real estate investor, that you need to make better decisions and not just focus on the numbers and not just think of it as passive income and all these things that people were looking at, but can lead to some of the incredible challenges that I face, like owning, then being the not so proud owner of a crack house and having a property manager who punched a tenant who fell to the ground and later died in hospital. So my property manager, or our property manager got charged with manslaughter. These things were completely preventable had I made decisions that were actually a fit for my lifestyle and the life I was trying to create, not following the prescribed methodology that most of the real estate investing books and gurus were teaching at the time. So I felt compelled to write the book to share these stor not because I thought they were going to make me look good. In fact, I was quite certain they were going to make me look really bad for being so foolish in doing these things and having these things happen. But I did have a very clear reader. You know, it was that new and real estate investor, somebody trying to decide whether to get into it or somebody who is already into it but wondering if they're doing something wrong because it was. It wasn't going as they expected. And so I was very clear. And so if you focus on a reader goal, so what, what is the impact you want your book to have on your reader? What do you want them to know or do or be or have after they read your book? You get super clear on that goal and your book becomes the product, not you. And you are setting yourself up for a much better ride. You're still going to have an emotional roller coaster writing your book, but you are setting yourself up for a much better ride when you do that. All right? Hey, Derek. Welcome, welcome. Sorry you're late. That's okay. I'm just glad you're here. Welcome. And. And Vince's biggest monster is imposter syndrome. Thank you for sharing. You're the only one that told me. Oh, wait, Angela has an imposter syndrome. Who else is here? Let's see you guys. Tell me about your monsters. I want to meet your monsters. Jackson and Hangry. Julie. Are those your monsters, Dave? Thank you. Yes. If I am hungry. I am not very pleasant to be around you guys. So always have snacks if you're going to be near me. That was my husband, for those of you who don't know. He occasionally makes appearances on the YouTube videos, usually for comedic relief. Of some kind. And Vince said, this is really timely. Thank you. You are welcome. And Rachel said similar fears for her too. Okay, awesome. So I'm going to carry on with step number two. So now that you've got clarity on your goals, and really I'm saying it's not your goals, it's your goals for your reader. Number two is to get clear on who that reader really is. So when you know, when you know who they follow, this is kind of how I like you guys to think about your reader. And by now you already know that if you're trying to tell me your book is for everybody, it is not. That means it's for nobody. And even yesterday, I'm trying to think of how I can share this, this conversation without. Basically I was talking to somebody whose book he tried to tell me was for everybody with a job. And I challenged that because his ultimate outcome that he wants for the reader is only going to apply if somebody actually wants that outcome. So I had to challenge him because a lot of people with a job aren't actually in pursuit of the outcome that he can offer. So, you know, your book is not for everybody. It's like I always said about the bald man, right? My dad's a bald man. Just because you might offer a hair regrowth solution, he doesn't care. He's in his 70s. He's happy as can be being bald. He loves it, except for the sunburn. That's the only part he doesn't like. So you really have to make sure you're clear. And so to test yourself, to see if you are clear on your reader, think about who they are already following. So who are they listening to, who are they reading, what problems are, are they trying to solve already? You know, so really think about it. And when you can really figure out, you know, where are they hanging out already? What are they reading, who do they listen to? Not only do you have a clearer sense of how you're going to build market to them, but now you know who you're really writing for and you're. You're setting yourself up for success in connecting with them. Number three is to look at the content and ideas that you already have and figure out how you can present them in a way that's unique. And one of the examples I gave when I spoke at podfast Podcast Movement last week, there's too many pod pod events right now, was from Imani Roberts, one of our clients who's got a book coming out in April. He's got a podcast called the Imani Experience. And we work with a lot of podcasters, helping them take their content and their messages and their themes and even some of their podcast material and crafting that into a great book. So the Imani Experience is where he talks to creatives who have left the corporate world. Sorry, can't have a drink. To pursue their creativity. And as part of his company, the Imani Experience Media company, he does team building events for corporations where he goes in and will do, he'll teach them how to be a DJ and have that be a team building event. So it's pretty cool. And it really does bridge that gap between creative and corporate. So how do you take that feeling and that theme and some of the content he already has and turn it into a book? So in working with my team, they analyzed that content and his message and his audience, and they decided to take you through a night as a DJ to learn corporate lessons. And this feeds really nicely into, you know, where he wants to grow his business too, which is in the team building exercises, doing DJing. So it's really, really cool. His book is DJs Mean Business. One night behind the turntables can spin your company's success. So really, really cool. Like I said, it's coming out in April, but that's what I mean about analyzing your content and kind of looking at what you're already doing and thinking about your goal so what you want it to do for you, but who you wanted to connect with and what you wanted to do for them. Now, step four is not going to be a surprise to any of you that have been around for a while. It's to create your hook. And I've said it many times, but your book might be about you, but it's not for you. And before you write anything, you've got to get clear on that hook. And that hook is something that is only about your reader. So this is about the benefits, the emotional experience, the reason that reader needs to read your book. You really have to make a promise and clearly explain who that book is for with that hook. And if you've already done steps one, two, and three above that I've already mentioned, then you are really well positioned to create this hook. One of my favorite examples of this still is Scott Bradley's book Screaming for Pleasure. And here it is. I'll just grab it because I know it's right here. And I love this as an example because he has a podcast called Hell Bent on Horror. And they were, they had a little bit of a challenge of how do you. How do you take, you know, someone who's essentially a horror historian? Sarah Bean, our book marketing manager, told me that's what she calls him, and I love that. So now I've stolen it, and I'm saying that. So how do you take, you know, somebody who knows everything there is to know about horror movies, horror authors, horror directors, and turn it into a book that has a benefit for a reader? And in the conversations that he had with. With our story expert, basically it came out that he feels horror makes him feel happier because it allows him to explore emotions that he, you know, doesn't otherwise explore in his life. And then they found research to back it up, that horror actually does have, you know, the benefit of making you happier and healthier. So screaming for pleasure, how horror makes you happy and healthy was born. And, you know, his ideal audience is people who want to introduce their friends to horror. You know, people who already love horror, but also people who have forgotten about it and, you know, kind of want to reacquaint them with it. So that's a cool example of a hook. Another cool example is Michael Brenner's book Mean People Suck. And I've also got that one here. I feel like this is like school show and tell here. I'm surrounded with books. Okay, so this is. This is also a really cool example. And we just had an author spotlight video with Michael Brenner on how to get Amazon book reviews. So hopefully you guys all check that out, because it was a really, really cool. He gave some really good tips, I think, for people launching books and thinking about getting reviews. And, you know, his big thing was to start earlier than you think you need to, especially if you want some influencers to give you blurbs and things like that. But, you know, he had a book. He came to us with a draft of a book that was called the Empathy Formula, and it was really good material on using empathy in business to create profits and have happier teams and so forth. The challenge is nobody's really searching for empathy. You know, it's not like people are going, I need to get more empathy to make my business bigger. So they had to dive into this and really find out, like, what is the hook of having empathy and why would somebody want a book on empathy? And in those conversations, Michael talked about the 43 jobs that he's had and how he realized that a lot of people think they have to be mean to get things done to motivate their teams. And he said, mean people just suck, and you don't have to be mean. If you're empathetic, you actually can get your business to be bigger and your teams will be happier and more productive and so on. And that's how mean people Suck was born with the hook. That is pretty much his hook is pretty much in the subtitle. How Empathy Leads Do Bigger Profits and a Better Life. So those are some examples of a hook. There's videos. I gave Angela a playlist that I reorganized recently to help you, and it covers a lot of the topics, including some cool tips to help you write your book and how to use surprise in your writing, how to start your chapters so you're not boring, all these kind of things. So I'll get Angela to link that playlist here. She also has the link to Linnae's semi finalist announcement. So if you guys want to check out the semifinal for the Book Life prize, I don't know if she already dropped it in here. I didn't see it get dropped in here. But Angela, if you can drop that in along with the playlist link, that would be awesome. Let's see. I love being bald. No wasting time doing my hair in the morning. Derek says, I think ego may be my monster. Yeah, ego is what causes all of our monsters to come out. So I totally get that. And Rachel said it. My wife is similar. If she doesn't get her coffee or breakfast, she gets hangry. Yep, that's me. Oh, Mike, you missed the good stuff. Yeah. We've already covered steps one through five, and I'm about to announce step six, which is to write your darn book. And really, this is going to look different for everyone, but I think the best thing you can do is clear yourself of distractions and train yourself. You know, write in the same spot as much as you can. You know, same spot might be a different coffee shop, but it's kind of training your brain that whenever you sit down in this certain location in a certain place, that your mind just knows, okay, this is book writing time. And as much as you can, turn off all notifications and distractions, and I think that goes a long way in getting your book written. But the big thing I really wanted you guys to see today is that step six was right. There was five steps that happened before you ever get there. Oh, did I talk? Oh, I skipped step five. Sorry. I got so excited about the hook. I was like, wait a minute, I skipped step five. Step five is to take that hook and everything we've talked about and to create a table of contents or an outline. And really, you know, some people will go as far as to take this and almost make it like a treatment. And what you want to do is under each chapter title, you want to first evaluate, does this support my hook? Does it fit with the hook? Yes or no? If the answer is no, save it for another book. It does not fit in this book. Everything has to support that hook and fit with that hook. The second thing is to jot notes. So, for example, let's see. I'm just doing this on a whim, so this might not work. Okay, so he's got a chapter. This is Michael Brenner's book I just grabbed. So he's got a chapter called your company sucks. And under it, he might have wrote, okay, org charts. This is really funny, actually. He's got an org chart, the real org chart, the magic of the bullseye. So he's got a bullseye org chart that focuses on the customer, talking about criticism, the mission statement. So these are all things that he probably bulleted out underneath that he wanted to make sure he covered. When he talks about why your company sucks and how to fix it. So you want to jot down the things that you immediately know you need to cover. And again, all those sub points you're evaluating, does this fit with my hook or doesn't it? And based on this, you then create a plan. Now, generally, what I recommend to our clients, because they're working with writing coaches or writers, is that they set a weekly call with the writer or the writing coach, and every week they're meeting to discuss what needs to be written next and what they've already written. And the people who do this on a weekly basis do make much better progress because there's a consistent plan, there's consistent accountability, and there's also consistent support. The people who kind of fly by the seat of their pants and, you know, go on a streak of writing, they're also the same people who kind of disappeared for a while. So they might write a whole bunch, and then they write nothing, and then they write a whole bunch, and then they write nothing. I mean, you got to do what works for you. But I think that if you make writing a habit and you're not waiting for inspiration, you might only write 500 words one week, but then the next week, you might write 5,000 words or you might write a 15,000 award chapter, like Kevin McGuire has. So now we're on step six, which is sitting down to write. And you can see where so many authors go wrong. They skip steps One through five and they write a book. And like I said to you, I wrote a really, really well performing, well received, impactful book that I'm still to this day, six and a bit years later, I'm still getting emails from people thanking me for writing that book. So it's had a long lasting impact. So you can fly by the seat of your pants and write a book without a plan. But like I said, what I had going for me was crystal clarity, crystal clear, whatever. I had a very clear vision of who I was writing the book for and why they were going to need to read it. So I had that hook. Even though I didn't know that terminology when I was writing that book, I had that hook so clear in my head that I think that's what saved my book. But I still went through a lot of pain as a result of not having a clear plan for my book. So. All right, so we rolled through this one. Oh, hey, Jacqueline, you're here. Do you know how many words Gautam's book is? I was using it as a comparison at the start and I couldn't remember how many words. I was just making up numbers. Hey, Marcus, welcome. Thanks so much for joining us. And Derek said Mean People Stuck is a great resource on empathy, so yay. Thank you for checking it out and reading it. We really, really appreciate it. And Guy bought Michael's book, too. Great book. And he's mentioned it to his colleague. Colleagues at work. And Mike, you cannot skip steps one through five. Actually, you can. I just told you I did it, but I'm not recommending you do it. I've seen things work out much better for those who do steps one through five because I got lucky. I really, really did. 110,000. Okay. Yeah, I thought it was over 100,000. I couldn't remember. So, yeah, I was just, I was comparing it to Gillian's book, which I think was around 60,000. Right. So I was just showing them size because Kevin was asking about, you know, average number of words and things like that. Okay, guys, so we went through all the way without doing any prizes. So now this is going to be like Prize of palooza. Hey, Bonnie. Yay. Welcome and thank you for hitting the thumbs up. Always makes me happy. Okay, so I'm going to do the randomizer while Angela, have you come up with what we're going to do for the live folks today? Maybe a skill testing question and maybe a random number? Maybe we'll do that. Two of those. And so if you, if you've Been listening, and you haven't said hello. Now's your last chance to get in on that. And in the meantime, I'm going to do the randomizer. For those of you, like Mike, that are late joining us today, the mug is empty, I'm afraid. My printer just gave me gobbledygook today. I don't know what's going on. So these are not names, in case you're wondering. It's a paper tray, general setup. These are not names. So I couldn't put those in the mug, so I put them in a randomizer. So I'm gonna. Drum roll. I'm hitting the randomizer now. And you are the winner today. So congratulations. Let us know if you want the mug or the journal and where we should send this to to let us know you email us at team and let us know your choice and of course, your mailing address so we can get it to the right place. Now I'm going to reset this randomizer, and we will do it again. Okay? And in the meantime, let me see. Oh, thanks for the drum roll. Yay. Okay. Oh, you looked it up, and it was 190,000 words. No. Are you kidding me? Okay, so that was an extreme example. I mean, I know we. And I use the word we really loosely. I know you guys spent a lot of time really playing with the formatting to get all those words in here. So. Yeah, 190,000 words. So this was not a great example for me to hold up. Do you know how many words Michael Brenner's book is? Because a lot of people here are familiar with that. Yeah. So 190,000 words. It's no wonder, you guys. Columbia University. Yeah, Columbia. I always get it mixed up with Cambridge. Columbia University Publishing bought his book, and so it's being republished and relaunched. You can see why. A university. It fits with university textbook kind of style, right? 190,000 words. Okay, so world eats, please. Okay. I'm just waiting. I don't know if I saw Angela give me a something. Let's do number 13. Okay, so let's go 13. Let's go 13 from the top. Because, of course, we want to reward those of you who are here from the beginning. Right? Thirteen from the top. And then let's do a. Ooh, I like this. You know what? Let's guess. Let's guess on how many words. We won't do those. I'm going to hold up a book. You guys guess how many words, and hopefully Jacqueline knows she can look it up. If she doesn't let's see. I know. Okay, based on what we've been talking about already, how many words do you think this fabulous book by Leslie Quincey is? It's called Legacy. It's all about transference of wealth from generation to generation. Some really, really great tips. If you run a business and you're, you know, you have kids and you're thinking about passing it on, or your. Your parents have a business, all those kind of things. So how many words. Let me hold it up to Gautam's book for comparison. That you now know is 190,000 words. So there you go. So take your guess on that. And then Jacqueline will give me the right answer, and I'll go back to the randomizer for the other YouTube prizes, which, by the way, if you're just tuning in today for the first time, we give prizes, two prizes away to the people who are here live as a thank you for being here live. And then we also give prizes for everybody who comments on the day a YouTube video is released, which is every Tuesday and Friday. So if you comment on those videos, your name goes into normally the mug, but today I had printer problems, so it went into the. It went into the randomizer. So I'm going back to the randomizer to find my winner. And here we go. And Benjamin Preston. Hey, congratulations. I think you won already once before, but you definitely can get something else. So let us know if you want the mug or the journal this time. And we have the address to send it to, but you can let us know if you want it sent somewhere else. All right, so Jacqueline's right. Okay, we need rules. Is this like the Price is Right? If you're over. Are you out? No, I'm going to say it's closest to the pin wins. So, you know, even if you. Let's say the answer was 50,000 or 52,000 and the actual word count was 52,020, you know you're going to win. So it's closest to. Okay. Okay. How's that? Not fair. Going to get decimal points, right? Okay, do we have the winner for number 13? Angela, I don't know if I saw that come through. So number 13, I'm just looking to see if. Okay. Aubrey. Aubrey Hudson. Yay. You win the number. Comment from the beginning. So email teamoklaunchers.com your mailing address and whether you want the mug or the oh, so soft journal. And also, you guys, I just realized, which is kind of embarrassing, but there's a little pocket in the back so it holds stuff back there. An elastic. It's very cool. And a pen holder. This is a pretty awesome journal. Okay, so congratulations, Aubrey. Let us know what you want. Hey, Studio 38, you didn't win this week yet, but you can still chime in. The prize today that we're waiting is a guess on the word count. For now, it looks like I have thrown up books everywhere because I can't even find a book. Okay, here it is. Is. We're taking guesses, and I'm about to close the guessing. We're closing guesses on how many words this book, legacy by Leslie Quince is. And I'll give you guys one little hint. It is 140 pages long. That's kind of the ending there. And I'll show you the inside. Okay, we're gonna leave the voting or guessing open for one for another one minute in studio 38. Sorry, I'm just leaving the screen for one second. And Studio 38 definitely wants to get the mug. Okay. If someone has. Oh, this is a good question. Good, good rule. Question. If somebody has guessed multiple times, which one counts? I'm gonna say their last guess. So the previous guesses don't count. Thank you for these clarifying questions. This is important. Okay? So I am gonna close it after one more. One more guest comes in. Guys, guess at 40,000. I'll see if there's one more guess. Going once, going twice, going three times. Okay, we're closing the. The entries at GI's. 40,000 word guess. And Jacqueline, what is the answer? Who is our final winner of today? Rules change. Yeah, sorry I didn't set the rules in the beginning. Sorry. You guys get. You can have a complete refund on your attendance today. Okay. There's still entries. Okay, hold on. We're gonna have to. I feel bad excluding you guys if you haven't already guessed. Okay, here we go. Mike Herd wins with a guess of 38,600. The answer was 39. Ooh, 39,000. So it pays to give extra numbers. Yay. Congratulations. And so I don't have to feel bad, Rachel and Marcus, your guesses weren't close enough to win anyways, so yay. Congratulations, Mike. So email us@teamoklaunchers.com I like this game. I think we'll do this again in the future. That was good. Thanks for the question. Kevin, you were the inspiration for this right from the beginning. I'm sorry, Studio 38, you will be a winner. Your dedication to winning has not gone unnoticed. You're just saving it up for when we have hoodies again or something really, really special. All right, you guys, thank you so much. Oh, excuse me. Thank you so much for joining today. Thank you, Jacqueline. Thank you, Angela, for your support and help today. And. Oh, looks like we're getting some spammers again. All right. So thank you so much. We'll be back here again. Actually, I don't think we'll be back in two weeks. I think I'm on vacation. So it might be four weeks before our next live. But I'll make sure I keep you posted. And you keep commenting every Tuesday and Friday when a video comes out, and we'll get you entered to win Studio 38. All right. Thanks, guys. That was fun. Take care.