Self-Publishing and Book Content FAQ's Answered

Hello. Happy Tuesday, my friends. It is the middle of September already. Time is flying by, so I have a handful of announcements. And then today's topic is basically an faq. So frequently Asked Questions. When I was at fincon last week, I ended up jumping on stage and answering, well, filling in for a speaker that didn't show. And because I didn't have a talk prepared for that, I gave a little spiel and then opened it up to questions. And that crowd asked some amazing questions. And so I thought I would share some of those questions with you today and give you the answers. So, yeah, that's what we're going to do. But first I wanted to share a few announcements. So tomorrow on that would be September, the. Oh, my goodness, 14th. There we go. September 14th, we have a children's book workshop. So I'll get Angela to drop the links for these things in the comments. So say hello when you arrive. Hello, Efren. Hello, Angela. Thanks for being here. So we've got a children's book workshop tomorrow. The following weekend, we have our deep dive, which is going to go into marketing. We're going to talk about, you know, other people's audiences, using other people's audiences to sell books, grow your brand, grow your business from your book. So that's going to be a really fun deep dive session that is happening. I should have broke down all these dates. E.A. welcome, Bill, welcome. And then finally, we have our Self Publish and Succeed live course starting October 10th. So hopefully, Angela, you can also drop that link in there. So we've got the children's book workshop, the Deep Dive and Self Publish and Succeed Live. So Angela's busy dropping links for you all while you're saying hi, Bill and Stella are also here. So that's great, but I am not going to waste a moment because I do have a little bit of a timeline I'm on today. I'm going to dive right into these questions. So the first question that I wrote down for you all kind of actually is a good one for you, Bill. As you say, you're looking for a literary agent. So the question that somebody in the audience at fincon asked me was, why would someone self publish if they can get a traditional book deal? And my answer was only, they would probably still self publish if the book deal wasn't worth signing. Now everybody's going to have their own criteria of what makes a book deal worth signing. However, I shared a few things that people thought or people found surprising, which was, you know, considering that it's especially because we're talking nonfiction, but even in fiction, this is your intellectual property. And when you have a book deal, when you have a traditional deal, you're giving the publisher the rights to that content. This does limit what you can do with that content. You will have challenges giving it away for free if you want to do that for lead generation. You will have challenges if somebody wants to turn it into a TV series or a movie, because the publisher will be the one that gets to negotiate that, not you. And you will have challenges if you are not fulfilling your end of the contract and the publisher decides they want to do something else with that content. And I've shared this before, but a colleague of mine, a friend of mine in the real estate space when he was in Canada and he had written a book on investing in the US and he left the real estate business. And Wiley, who was his publisher at the time, republished it under some. Republished his book Word for Word, they changed the introduction, but otherwise it was Word for Word, his book under somebody else's name. And that is something they can do. They have the rights to do that. So that's something to think about. And so to me, if you're signing a traditional book deal, you should be getting something substantial in return because you're giving away a lot. You're not just, you're not just getting somebody to upfront the editing costs and do a book cover for you. They're taking a lot, they're taking a big chunk of your royalties, and they are also taking your rights to your intellectual property. So, you know, you want to ideally negotiate a big signing bonus, which is going to be tough to do if you don't have a large audience or there isn't something really in demand about your topic. And additionally, you know, if you can, I would try to negotiate rights like foreign rights, audiobook rights, you know, to keep those yourself. So it's a, it's a big, complicated answer, and there's no wrong or right way. But I would caution everyone to, you know, think carefully about whether you really want a traditional book deal. A lot of people think that they need a traditional book deal or want one because the traditional publisher is going to market the book because there's like this romantic version of what it's like to be a writer where you, you sit down, you write your book, and you hand it off to your publisher and they take care of everything. It is so far from the truth. You are responsible for marketing your book, whether you self publish or traditionally publish. Sure, the traditional publisher will give you some Marketing support, usually for the first month or maybe the first three months. But even then it's looked. They're looking at you as to how are you selling books. So you really want to be the one that is driving that traffic. So a lot, A lot to cover on that subject. But that was kind of my answer for the audience there and what I said, and I'm looking here. Okay, great. Thanks for posting all of those. If. Sorry. Oh, thanks for posting all the links there, Angela and Quizmaster China. China, yeah. So I checked out the workshop, the children's book workshop from. From self publishing School, and I thought it was pretty solid. They let me check it out before I agreed to do the workshop. And I've been looking for children's book resources, and so we've sent a lot of people to Keith Wheeler Books for support. I am connecting with April Cox and some other people, and I'm really just trying help a lot of people with the children's book piece. So. Because it's something that comes up all the time and it's not something that we do anything with. But, you know, as I've said before, take a look at everything and figure out what's right for you. It is really something that, you know, I think I would love to be able to help people with children's books because it's something that we personally, as a household, consume a lot of children's books. But, you know, nonfiction is a big enough beast as it is, and we have a long way to go to, you know, be the state to be at doing everything at the level that we want to do there. So we're going to master nonfiction and stay in our lane for a long, long time there. But we do want to try to give you guys resources. And so we've been referring people out to a lot of different places on that, which is why we're doing the workshop tomorrow. And I'll be connecting with a couple of other people in the next six months to help you with that. So, yeah, I think. I think it's exciting to be able to connect with other people who can help you. For those of you doing children's books in other ways, and I'm not sure how to say your name, but Sam. Raj, maybe. I think traditional publishers always have a lower risk than self publishers. They get to choose the best work, have a small upfront cost, higher retained earnings, and mostly no extra obligations. Yeah, for some traditional publishers, that's true to a point. However, when you understand the costs that go into production of a book and in many, in the larger traditional publishers case, they're maintaining distribution channels. And there's a cost to that. You know, like when you go to the airport bookstores and you see the best sellers, you know, they have the top 10 charts that's bought and paid for. If you. It doesn't often, sometimes they match to, you know, a bestseller list somewhere. But in many cases you'll see that it's. If you kind of dig into it, you'll see that, you know, it's got the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, all the way to 10. That's bought and paid for space. And a lot of the display space and a lot of the bookstores is paid for. So publishers do have a, you know, they do take a lot of risk. And you know, producing a high quality book is a very expensive. You know, editors in particular are very expensive. But designing a great cover and doing a lot of the work that has to go into it does have a lot of upfront cost. And you never know for certain what books will sell, but they mitigate the risk by looking to the author. How many people are in your audience? What kind of book sales can you guarantee? And some book contracts, I know a lot of the ones in the real estate space space, you know, back, you know, 10 years ago when I was in talks, you had to guarantee the sale of 5,000 books. So a lot of people were buying 5,000 books and using them in their audience or at their workshops, but they were buying them from the publisher. And that's how the publisher reduced their risk was by putting it in the contract that the author had to buy X number of copies. I don't know if that happens all the time or if that was just kind of the standard contract that was happening for real estate books at the time. But that can also be a clause in there. Okay, so let me just check my next question. Oh, this was a cool one. So I've never been asked, I don't think I've ever been asked this before. And, and the question was, what do you think Rich Dad, Poor Dad's hook was Because I spent a lot of time when I was speaking talking about the outcome of the outcome. So the hook of the book and you know, then they also asked why it did so well. So I thought this was a really interesting question because I do believe that Rich Dad, Poor dad is an example of a book that doesn't have a clearly defined audience. It's kind of like middle class. And so it's not a perfectly defined audience. And the Hook. You know, you can interpret the hook in many different ways. My own personal view of the hook was that it was to get your money working for you. You know, you're working hard for your money, so get your money working hard for you. And as a result, you won't have to struggle like Poor dad did. Right? You can have the freedom and the confidence and the comfort that Rich dad had. And I think that that's the hook. But it is a more generic book. And you look at some of the really, really successful books and they are a little bit more generic. They can reach a wider audience. And I know that makes it feel like, you know, I want to go wider too. I want to do that. But a lot of times it's luck, right? It's luck that got them there. And Rich Dad, Poor Dad's story is interesting because in the early days it was self published and he sold it in car washes in Texas. That's where it started. And it happened that somebody, and I don't remember the precise story here, I've written about it and talked about it before, but somebody bought it at, or somebody bought it and read it at that car wash and they then were either a publisher or they bought a bunch of copies for their company and it ended up kind of growing from there. I don't remember exactly which way it went. But you know, it was, you know, it was luck and hard work and a cool concept kind of all meshing together. And you know, it was also something I've talked about a lot, which is as a self published author, you know, get creative. Like, you don't have to just sell books. And on Amazon you can sell them a lot of different places. So there's a lot of factors that go into that. You know, curious. If you're watching the replay, you can post what you think the hook of Rich Dad, Poor dad was, you know, and any kind of insights you have as to that. And here, you know, feel free to chime in as well. Okay, so next up, the next question I had. And then we're going to do surprises. Angela, I never got the T shirt sizes from you, but we have some T shirts in stock. So I thought we would share some T shirts today. But I do need to know what sizes we've got, Angela, so hopefully you were able to look that up for me. Okay, so the other question was an interesting one. It was, if you published a few years ago, should you put out a revised edition or a new book, a second edition, or what should you do with It. And the answer to that is a little tricky to generalize because it's going to be very different from, for, well, for everyone. And a lot of it comes back to your goals and what you would do with the book if you did revise it, or why you want to revise it, or whether it would make more sense to just do an entirely new book. So I'll give you a personal example and then I'll give you one of our clients examples. So. So for me, I've talked about this before, but my second book, the New Brand, you'd know it. I still believe it's a really, really solid book. It did not sell well and I think, you know, there's a lot of reasons for that. One is the title, which I've also talked about a lot because, you know, doing all the podcast interviews that I did, you know, 80% of them called it the Brand New you. So there's something funky about my title that messes with people. But even more than that, you know, when I wrote it, I was trying, I kind of broke something that I now talk about all the time, which is I didn't have a clearly defined audience. I wrote it kind of trying to leave real estate behind a little bit and move into a new space to work with, you know, a slightly different audience. And as a result, it didn't have a clearly defined person that it was for. If I had just written it for real estate investors and realtors to help them in the real estate space, it probably would have done really well. So for me, what I do plan to do at some point in the future is to take that book and redo it. And basically it won't be a second edition, but it's going to have that content really focused on helping authors create their author brand. So it'll be a whole new book with the purpose of helping authors in this space now. So that would be why I would do it, is because the content, I'd say probably 60% of the content is very relevant for authors. And then I would add a little bit more specific to the book publishing world. So that would be a whole new book. It's, it's enough of a change and enough of a deviation. And that book isn't doing as, you know, it's not doing very well. It doesn't have a ton of reviews. And so I don't need to tie it to it. A second edition that we did with Todd Tressiter. He wrote a book called How Much Money Do I Need to Retire? I believe was what the title was, and. And it did well. But over time, he found the content needed an update and a refresh because time had changed some of the things, you know, or the conditions of the market. And so he wanted to revise the content. As a result, he redid it and it was, you know, there's enough new content. And he, we, you know, updated the COVID and put second edition on it. His audience was the same, his goals were the same. And by doing the second edition, we were actually able. And this doesn't always happen, but we were able to, you know, keep the reviews. So we had to get a new ISBN. When it's the second edition, it's revised a lot if you get a new ISBN. But we were able to contact Amazon and keep the reviews for that book, which can be a really, really big advantage now. And this is kind of. I can see this being a topic for its own video because there's a lot to cover on revised editions and second editions, not listing if the majority of the material is the same and there's just a few minor updates, you could just call it a revised edition rather than a second edition. And then you don't have to, you know, as soon as it's a new edition, you have to have a new. A new ISBN. And then that's where you can have complications. If you're just revising a little bit of it, you can keep the same ISBN and just say it's a revised edition. If you did get. If you submitted to the Library of Congress, you don't have to resubmit unless you change the publisher or there's. There's the page count changes. So that's where the revised. The second edition would cause that to need a new submission. So there's a few things. And then, of course, every time you do a change and you have to upload, there's fees with Ingram, not fees with KDP. But IngramSpark will charge you fees, unless you are constantly finding promo codes which are out there, depending on what groups you're a part of. So there's a lot to consider. And then there's also the thought of, do you just write a new book? And so it does depend on your goals. It depends on the content of the book, what's changed and what's your purpose? What's the objective of doing the new book or doing the revised version of the book? So it's a lot. It was a big question, and I think it's one that I probably will do its own standalone video on. Real soon. Because I think there's a lot of considerations and kind of, like a lot of things. There isn't a right or wrong answer to this. It really just depends on your own situation and your book and your goals and all that kind of fun stuff. All right, let's do some prizes. Okay. Oh, cool. And Angela just. I just checked. And Angela says we have sizes small, large, and a 2XL. So that's our choices. So we don't have medium and we don't have Excel. Okay. And let's see. Just checking what else you guys are talking about. Okay. And I know Angela's writing down your questions, and I will try to leave enough time at the end. I do have to sign off about quarter two or 22 the hour because I have a meeting here at my office, so. Okay, so prizes. Let me go to my random name picker. Of course, if you're new here, every Tuesday and Friday, a new video comes up on the channel. And if you comment the day a video is released, you get entered to win, and that includes today's replay. So, of course, comment. So I've entered everybody into the random name picker, and it's spinning around and around and around. And our first winner is Michael Cook. And so we have the T shirts, and if none of those T shirts fit, we have magnets. So those are your choices today. Oh, of course. And we always have copies of Self publishing and Succeed, which is now a live course. So if you want to work with me to help you get your book drafted, we're going to work on audience. We're going to work on reader identification, hook clarity, creating your outline. We'll brainstorm chapter titles. We're going to set a lot of time aside to write a book. It's going to be over 12 weeks, and that starts October 10th. But in the meantime, you could win a copy of the book. So, Michael, I think you have a copy of the book. I don't know if you're here today, but I'm certain you'll watch the replay so you can email Angelaemookcrunchers.com and we have three different kinds of magnets. So these are the magnets. They're quite large, but this is. This one says the greatest gift you can give an author is a review on Amazon. Okay, next prize for YouTube commenting. Let's see. And of course, if you're here today and you haven't said hello, you do get prizes for participation, which will be my next prize. Stop. All right, number two. My second one is Rachel Robertson, who has won everything. So I don't know if she's here, but I am certain she would be okay with us posting or re choosing because I know she's one. Is she here? Just looking? I haven't seen her say hello because I would let her pick. And yeah, Angela said I just sent her a shirt. Yeah, I know she's won everything, so I'm certain if she's not here, I'm just gonna pick again because I know she would be okay with that. She's won a lot. She is a YouTube bestie and one of our beloved team members, contractors. Okay, so the winner is Solo motivation. Solo motivation. If you are in the United States, we will send you a T shirt, a magnet, or a copy of Self publish and succeed. So email us at team T E A M book launchers.com but please note, there are a limited selection of sizes and it is first come, first serve. So as Angela noted, we have a small, a large and. Hey Pat, welcome. A small, large and a 2XL. So drop her a link with your mailing address, what you would like and. And if you want a T shirt, let her know the preferred size. Okay, so next up, the question that we're going to answer next and then we're going to go to the. Sorry, I'm just watching. I'm watching some of the comments come in. So the next question, how do you take your existing content and turn it into a book? So if you've got a podcast or a blog or you've given talks, then you've got probably a lot of good content that could become a book. What a lot of podcasters in particular try to do is they take their 20 podcast episodes and try to edit those episodes into a book. So each episode, each podcast episode becomes a chapter as an example, and that can get you a book. But if you want it to be a really good book, you want to start with the first thing, which is who is the reader and how are you helping them and determine that outcome of the outcome. And so you, of course you want to think about your content, but more like the theme of the content and the outcome of the outcome that can be derived from that content for a specific reader. That gives you the through line and then determine what content, AKA chapters, need to go into that book in order to create that desired outcome. At the end of that, you go back to your content and you go, okay, what goes in which chapter? And you fill that in. You'll see gaps. Inevitably you will see gaps. And now it's your choice as to how you fill in those gaps. You might fill it in by then having writing some new blog posts or creating some new podcasts or shooting some new videos. Or you might just write it in or have a writer interview you and fill in those gaps. There's no one way to tackle it. But what I don't recommend for very if you want to have a great book that is something people read and tell others about and are excited about, I wouldn't recommend just taking your content and trying to, trying to force it into a book. I would start by figuring out the typical, you know, through line of the book, the content that needs to go in it, and then just take the content that you have and work it through. Yes, it's more work, but it will be a much, much better book than if you just take your content. Now you can be strategic. Like we have clients who create courses and they're in the back of their mind while they're creating the course. They know they're going to turn this course in into a book as well. And vice versa of course too. So that can be very smart and strategic in your thinking as well, because it will take it. Once you've done the hard work of thinking through this content, the writing of the book is much, much easier. So there's, there's lots of ways to do it, but that's how I would recommend you approach it and that will help you get a really, really rock solid book. Okay, final question and then I'll open it up to your questions with the remaining time I have. But first, let's do a prize. Angela. So today is the 13th, right? Okay. So let's do the 13th person to say hello today after you posted the links. So she posted a link to our children's book webinar which is happening tomorrow, our Deep Dive, which is happening Saturday. The Let me give you the exact date, my friends. It is happening on Saturday the 24th, I believe, right? Yes, Saturday the 24th at 10:00am Pacific Standard Time, which is going to be all about using other people's audiences to sell books. So we're going to dive into that fun subject. So that's the deep dive. And then there's also a link to Self Publish and Succeed, which is the live course that I'm running on helping you write your book. 12 week course. And that starts on October 10th. So after those links, 13 people after those links, that will be our prize. And then we'll have one more participation prize for you after this. So the next question or the final question I should say is what kind of monetizable? Monetizable, I don't know if that was the right word. What kind of content can you create from a book that can make money? And this is a really wide open question that came up. And so I could take it a lot of different ways. And I actually, the last live stream was all about making money from your book. But what I kind of honed in on for this session was more like what can you do with the content in your book to further grow, grow a brand, grow a business? And I would say there's lots of things like, you know, you can take the chapters and sections of chapters and turn them into videos. And of course on YouTube you can then, you know, get ads and make money that way. And if your channel grows enough, you'll get sponsored, you'll get people contacting you, you know, to create sponsored content. Whether you want to do that or not. You know, you may or may not, but that can be a way you're not going to make a ton of money from. I shouldn't say you're not going to make, I say that very definitively. It's rare for you to make a ton of money from ads on YouTube. You know, the bigger, bigger channels that have tons of views or they're in a really hot niche and they get really strong ad dollars, you know, that or a specific video might actually generate really strong ad dollars. Then you can make decent money. But you know, it's not, it's not like kick back on the beach kind of money for most YouTube creators. But it is a way to monetize the content. So is writing articles. You know, some people can get paid to write articles for different publications and maybe you can use some of the excerpt from your book to do that. Sometimes you can't because sometimes they want to keep the rights and the copy to that. And if you, if you self publish, you could potentially grant them that, but they may not want the content if it's been published somewhere else. But of course there's also my favorite, turning your book into a course. Whether it's a live workshop or an online course or something that you deliver in person, you know, however you want to do it. There's many ways to do it, but you've done the hard work, you've built the structure, the framework. You know, non fiction books can turn into courses so easily. Chapters can become talks that are keynotes. I've seen or not even keynotes. They can be workshops that you Sell or shorter sessions that you are paid to offer. And sometimes you create a workbook to go along with your book and you can sell that as part of that workshop or that talk as well. So those are some of my favorite ways that the content in your book can be monetized. But you know, get creative and if you've got other ideas, feel free to share them. Okay, so wrapping up before I go to questions, let's do our last. Our last a prize. And so the participation prize today is going to be what? Okay, I'm going to see who's paying attention. I was going to do a different question, but I just changed my mind. Where did rich dad and rich dad, Poor dad sell before it became big? Where was it sold? I gave, I told you guys where bonus points if you get the state as well as the place of business that it was selling in. Okay, while that's coming in, Angela, I will take questions. All right. E.A. burlingame car washes in Texas. So Efren, you were, you were almost there. You got car washes, car washes in Texas. So Professor EA, you are the winner and it's the same thing for you book. So self publish and succeed a magnet or a T shirt if one of those T shirt sizes. And again it's going to be first come, first serve on that. Email teamoklaunchers.com okay. Mwanda Henry. I'm in Uganda, East Africa. I loved Uganda. It was so pretty. And we went and saw the mountain gorillas too, which was really special. Okay, how do I sell my book to the whole world and market it to, you know, if the. The answer may depend on the ability to upload to different platforms because the rules are different for different platforms in different countries. So I don't know with certainty. But you know, I would say uploading it to a place like oh my goodness publish drive or one of the aggregators might get you ebook distribution. Widely print book. I am not sure. You probably can still use kdp but it may not be the case for your country. So again it's different rules, different accounts will be allowed to be set up. We have worked with clients in South Africa and Singapore and we're able to set up accounts that can then distribute to English speaking countries worldwide. But sometimes there's issues with banking details and other things. So that's where I am not an expert in all things. And so just investigate it. As for marketing it to the world, I mean I would I always say start local before you worry too much about going to the world because it's much easier to generate momentum locally. That said, doing things like podcast interviews, running Amazon ads, you know, posting articles on Medium or other online spaces that, that ultimately reaches the world. I mean, I don't know. We haven't had a wide international audience today, but two weeks ago we had people from all over the world tuning in to the live stream. So by virtue of just being online, you will end up marketing to the world. But make sure your reader is specific, because I do believe that that's going to be the foundation to marketing success. So your reader needs to have a very specific, specific problem that you solve that you can help them with. And so that's where you really want to dive into that piece and worry about making sure that you're marketing to that specific person first, wherever they are. Okay, Question two, Samraj. Do you think pure play organic sales for new books on Amazon, KDP is dying? I. Not necessarily, but it's not what I would like. I don't know very many books that upload to KDP and just sell. It's rare. I mean, I, I've heard of it happening occasionally, but it's extremely rare. And I would say that is not a strategy for anyone to believe that that's going to be their book. There are organic results that can happen, but when somebody lands on your page, you need to make sure there's reviews for them to see. And you want to make sure that you've got the right keywords and metadata so they can arrive on that page. And generally speaking with, with Amazon, you have to show Amazon that it's going to convert. And that's not going to happen organically at first. Right. A book, I don't even know how many books are loaded onto Amazon every day, but there's a lot. And so you're going to have to drive traffic and drive sales to that book to begin with in order to show Amazon that there is conversion. So sending traffic to your page is worthwhile. If you don't teach Amazon that, then they're not going to bring up your book for organic results. Unless by some chance there's momentum that builds because of a topic that you have that's very niche and very specific. We've seen a bit of grassroots type momentum happen. A true crime book that we, that we worked on a few years ago, the timing was really good because the trial happened around the same time as the launch. So there was a lot of, I say grassroots support because even then, you know, it wasn't necessarily putting it on Amazon. And it sold. But there was something that popped up on a Reddit thread. The book trailer popped up on the Reddit thread. And then that drove a ton of traffic to sell the book. And so with that, you know, it gained a lot of momentum and had a lot of organic sales. And then we had another, we have another book that's in a very specific industry, that's kind of a newer industry. And I think that it gets a lot of organic sales as a result of people, you know, there's not a lot of solutions or books addressing this industry. So not dead. But don't count on it. And you have to have a lot of things right for that to work in your favor. Okay, question three, how to promote books. Sorry, I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing at how do I answer that question in five minutes or less. So my next book is on book marketing and it is already 100,000 words, which I know Efren can relate to having a big book. It's 100,000 words. And when Sarah, our book marketing manager, read it, she said, you know, we didn't go, you didn't go deep enough on certain subjects. And so we're really looking at it again to figure out what, how can we, how can we go get more specific, a little bit more tactical on certain topics without making the book even bigger? So it's a huge subject. But we do have a deep dive coming up on Saturday, and I already set the date and I've already forgotten it. I'm looking at my calendar now. Saturday, September 24th at 10:00am Pacific Standard Time. I'm going to talk about promoting books to other people's audiences and we'll dive into it more there and that will help. Ultimately, having a book that solves a problem for a very specific audience is going to help you promote your book in the long run. What are your thoughts on self publishing a long two volume book as one with two halves versus two smaller formally as volume one and volume two separately? One long two volume book. Who? So that's a good question. I'm thinking through my answer here. So I'd have to do a little bit research. A little bit of research. I love the idea of, of the, I love the idea of having two volumes that you can sell together, two separate books, but you can sell them together and you can also sell them apart. That gives you some marketing flexibility. There are a lot of challenges with a giant book. I mean, first of all, it's going to be daunting for people to buy it and read it and consume it and, you know, bigger books, the big, big books aren't selling as well as the. You know, I actually have a video. If it didn't come out yet, it's coming out. Do big books sell? And it used to be the case that the bigger books sold better, but they've gotten smaller and smaller as far as the trend goes. So I would think having two books and being able to sell them together as volume one and volume two, kind of as a, as a box set and having one and two might give you more flexibility. But. Sorry, I got a little frog here, but I'm not certain. So that's my take on it. Okay. Sorry, you guys. There we go. Okay, Question five from Efren. Do you recommend investing time and Money to attend 20 books to 50k in November? I loved 20k to 50. Wait, 20 books to 50k last year. I loved it. There's a lot of fiction emphasis. So if you are a fiction writer, it's a phenomenal event. They pack a ton of content into four days. It's almost impossible. Well, it was impossible to catch all the sessions that you want to catch, but I did find it quite heavily focused on fiction. And there were times in the day where I was. There was nothing I wanted to attend as a nonfiction focused author. But I did find, and I mean, when I bought my ticket, it was $300, so I don't know what it's at now. And I know their room block at Bali's, which had good pricing, was it sold out. So although I might be able to help you with that because I have a room reserved on backup, so I could potentially transfer that to you if you were going to go. But. So, yeah, it does get pricey when you factor in a hotel on the Strip and all those other pieces. But I loved it. I'm. I was really happy with the content. The networking was pretty cool. There was some great, great people there, Great, great companies. So if you're interested, you could go, we're going to be there. They also post like 65% of the videos on. On YouTube after the fact. The sound isn't always good. It's not always great videography, but they do post a lot of the content on YouTube after the fact. So you might be able to catch some of the sessions that you are most interested in then. Right now I'm going to be there. So that would be an advantage of going is you can meet me in person and tentatively. Jacqueline, our production manager, and Sarah, our bookmarking manager are also planning to go, so, you know, there would be that advantage too. So I don't know if anybody else are coming. I missed the prize. So, Angela, who did we give our 13th. Our 13th person prize? I just realized I might not have done that. I don't know if I did. Oh, here we go. Yep, there it is. It's Tim Trott Productions was our 13th comment winner. So, Tim, if you're still here, congratulations. Email Angela with your prize choice and your mailing address so that she knows where to send it to. All right, I think that's it. I do have to run. I have folks arriving at my office shortly, if not already here for a meeting, so. So all those dates, remember, tomorrow is the children's book workshop. And maybe Angela can post the comments again here at the end and I'll put them in the description tomorrow, the Deep Dive next Saturday, and of course, course, self publish and succeed live so we can work together to get your book drafted. All right, thanks, everyone. Make it a great rest of the day. Bye.