Mia Pineda - Astrologer to 3M+ Followers (Mia Astral) | Why Your Birth Chart Is Not Your Destiny

I like figure it out. This formula, what if astrology is like an umbrella to work other things? I think everybody looks for faith or a source to know what's going to happen to them.

Mia Pineda is the strategist who turned marginalized voices into powerful brands. From grassroots beginnings to scaling movements, she's mastered the art of influence with integrity.

The place that I start is like looking, what's your self concept? Who do you think you are? And I believe the natal chart is a great place to start unraveling, changing the narrative so that way you are understanding who you and enlighten the potential. All entrepreneurs, all the people that I admire, they don't have easy charts, they have very difficult charts. And that difficulty in their charts is the same muscle that pushes them through everything.

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I think faith is healthy when it question itself. Question even what I'm saying, how did you experience it? You need to have a life. You need to make your own choices. I focus more on big trends that we're going to see unraveling through time for people to study, develop and get a sense of it.

Mia, you've built one of the largest astrology platforms in the world. By teaching something that most astrologers won't, they can completely rewrite what their chart says about them. Explain to me why that is so novel and so not common in the world of astrology.

First of all, I think everybody looks for like faith or a source or in this case astrology to know what's going to happen to them. Like I need something to tell me that this is not going to last forever, this breakup, the, the loss of a job or the loss of a person. And I just need something to give me external certainty. I practice kabbalistic astrology and the whole foundation is the certainty is within you. So I'm not going to teach you or I'm not going to tell you, like be dependent to me or to the astrology or be dependent to an answer outside yourself. Let's create the answers. I believe like we can all create, like this refugee inside of us, that place to go. But that place to go has to be like a stable rock, like even in the storm, if you want to see it that way. And that's going to happen when you understand how you're thinking, when you listen to the things that you say to yourself. And the place that I start Is like looking, what's your like self concept? Who do you think you are? And from that I start creating with my clients and students like the pillars of this person you want to be. And I do believe that if you have the desire of be this way or that way, you have the potential to do it. Why? You and I don't have the same desires. Like, I don't want to be the President of United States. Do you?

No, I don't either. So maybe that's the same, but a lot of other things.

Yeah, but for example, maybe you want to be this great podcaster. That's not one of my desires. I have other desires. And I do believe that that seed of the desire, if it's within you, it's because you have something there, a light that can be sparked to develop it. So I do start in. Okay, who do you think you are? What do you know so far? And I believe the natal chart is a great place to start, to start unraveling, but changing the narrative. So that way you are creating these new neural pathways, understanding who you are and enlighten the potential of what it is. But it's all based on Kabbalah, because Kabbalistic astrology tells you that each position in your natal chart is not like a decree of destiny is. Okay, we have this here. How do we want to develop it? It gives you at least this idea of freedom to say, I can pause and choose if I want to move it this way or move it the other way. And I believe in the power of taking this seed inside of you for you to think I have a choice, I always have a choice to be reactive or to respond to this. So I think that's the difference.

So I love this. And the reason why I love this so much is because my biggest, I don't want to say issue, I don't know much about astrology, but I would say my biggest issue with sort of following anything that seems to place a responsibility outside of yourself. It could be a religion, it could be a spiritual practice, it could be astrology, it could be anything that says, I'm not responsible for my own life because this is what the universe said should happen to me. I find that to be a very defeatist attitude. I find it to be very depressing. I find it to almost be this self fulfilling prophecy where you're like, well, if it's not meant for me, I'm going to give up. And the reason why I don't like that idea is because I found in my life the exact Opposite of that. If I put enough energy and effort and like, life force towards something, I find that the world starts to change and bend to my will. And I think that that's one of the strongest ideas. And I don't think that it's easy. And it's not just my idea. A lot of big entrepreneurs believe this. They put enough energy towards something, the world will let them eventually figure it out. And I just wish more people wouldn't quit before they start just because they believe that they're not supposed to do it, if that makes sense. And I love the version of what you're talking about because you're saying, understand who you are through astrology, through natal charts, through all these different. All these different things that we can read and understand, and then use that to set up your life and carve your life and use that as like a guide. But not as like a sentence.

Exactly. The thing is, when I. I was born into astrology, in the sense that this was the language of my household, thank God my grandmother who raised me never used it as a. Yeah, it's like a sentence, you know? But then when I started going into astrology myself, like, me, myself alone and started, like, understanding what was behind the, like, the mathematical side and everything, first I was coming out from this very important person who was an astrology authority in my hometown, told me, you will never achieve anything because you have this and that in your chart. And then I was, like, holding on to astrology to find a different answer, developing my astrology sense, reading books, starting by myself. I, like, figured out this formula. It was very young. I was like, maybe 16 or 15. And I'm like, what if astrology is like an umbrella to work other things? And still to this day, I've been doing this professionally for 18 years now. The way that I feel like I attract people is through astrology. But if you're looking for a horoscope that tells you this is going to happen to you and you don't have to move a finger, maybe you're going to be like, okay, Mia is not for me. Because in every, like, if. If it's a tweet, if it's a video, if it's like a meme, whatever it is, it's like, okay, I'm bringing you here, but let's look like, further and let's work inside of us. So I'm not this person who's going to tell you what's going to happen and you don't have to do anything or the other thing I don't do is fear. A lot of astrologers use fear mostly in the recent times, like as hookups or as a way to get a lot of clicks on YouTube like these headline. And I believe that people don't learn through fear. You're not going to open yourself to learn and grow just by fear. Fear indeed is effective, but I do believe like the most effective thing you can do long term is working on yourself, like believing in yourself. Like you said, when you believe something is going to happen and you put, you pour all your energy into it, I believe the world bends to you because you start looking for ways that if you just say to yourself this is not going to happen, you close your eyes to it. If you think it's going to happen, you're going to see windows where you used to see walls. You're going to make it happen. And I do believe in that. All entrepreneurs, all the people that I admire, they don't have easy charts. They have very difficult charts. And that difficulty in their charts is the same muscle that pushes them through everything. I've seen very easy charts and very comfortable people. So I do believe that little challenge, that little fire is what makes the world bend to you.

And so if you go back to like when you were a child growing up and you mentioned before that there was this one astrologer who said you would never amount to anything.

Yeah.

Obviously that didn't, that didn't turn out like you've obviously did. You take that and say, I need to prove this wrong. I need to do something that's going to prove this, this astrologer wrong. This is like, was this almost like motivation?

You know, there's a lot of questions people ask me. And I was so young that I can see it one way right now that I'm in my 40s, very different when, from when I was a teenager. But this is the thing. I was born in a very like, different conditions from everyone around me. My mother had me very young. I was raised by my grandparents. And when I turned like 14, 15, I had this burning question that didn't let me sleep because my mother had me very young and we didn't live together. She came to United States to finish high school. I stayed in Venezuela. And I remember every time that I called my mom, I was like, why did you have me? Like, what made you make the choice of having me? You were super young. And this burning question, I was like, why did I come here? Like other people in these circumstances would have chosen something else to handle it differently. And I was like. I didn't say in my mind, like, I came for something, but I was like, what am I doing here? And nobody could answer that question for me. I asked her, and she's like, yeah, I don't know. Things happen that way, this and that. And I'm like, no, there has to be something for reference.

Your mother was 14 when she had you. It's not like she was, like, 18, 19, 20.

She had no idea. Exactly. But I'm making this question when she was, like, maybe 30. Already 30, but she still didn't have, like, that answer for me. So I go to see this astrologer, and he's like, I don't know. You should have come to the world. Your son is next to the south node. Well, don't expect too much from life. And mind you, I was saving to have this. This consultation. I was saving, like, my. My weekly money, like, and this was, like, my gift. I was graduating from high school at 15, and this was my gift to myself before choosing what career I was gonna do in, like, in college. I was like, do I do philosophy? Do I do law school? I'm gonna see this guy, and then I'm gonna make my choice. And the whole hour of consultation was like, one depressing thing after another. And I remember coming back to my apartment with this little cassette where everything was recorded and, like, this folder, and I'm like, I'm never gonna open this again. This. It can't. Like, this. This can't be it. There has to be something else. I don't know if in that moment I was like, I'm gonna prove the world wrong. Because in. In the rest of my life, I've never been a person of always trying to prove people wrong. No. Like, I don't. I don't feel like that's one of my main pillars of character. But I do think it was more like a survival thing that, no, I'm already here. Like, let's see what happens. But I never had an idea how or in which manner or sense. I started law school, and I loved it. I work as a lawyer for two, three years. I never thought to myself, I'm going to make a difference in the world. But I do. I've always known I'm a very sensitive person and that I feel things very deeply. But you know what? Things happened the way they happened when I moved to Miami, and circumstances pushed me to look refuge in astrology again. And then I was like, I don't know. I was just following something that made me Feel good. I've heard this very long time ago by Monica Berg in the Kavala Center. She said, the way you know you're connecting to your purpose is because this is lighting you up. It doesn't have to be your work, but you feel more light up. You feel like you want to give. You feel like there's more of you, that you want to expand. And also, sometimes you're going to do things that just contract you, of course, sometimes because of trauma, sometimes because of fear. But there's some things that they just close your heart. And when I came to Miami and I started going to the Kabbalah center and I started understanding potential instead of, like, destiny or sentence, I was like, there's something here. And I started tweeting, and I'm like, I just want to see if this can help someone. That it feels like me. Like there's, like, a closed road in my perspective. I was trying to look for something that said, okay, this is not going to be the same for the rest of your life. Things are going to evolve. Things are going to change. And there was, like, a push inside of me, and I felt like, more energy, less fear, and pushing and pushing and pushing, and it keeps happening, you know, like last year.

Yeah.

Even though I've been doing this for a long time, at the end of 2024, there was, like, a very hard situation that I was going through, and it sparked the same, like, fire. And when 2025 started, I was like, I'm gonna do everything that I haven't done because of fear. And here I am talking to you, making a podcast in English. Because what I'm saying is, like, it's not like, oh, I knew what I was gonna do, and I felt this fire. And it's been a blast for 18 years. Like, sometimes I feel that fear again or I feel that shell again, and something sparks something, and I'm like, okay, I'm breaking through. But it's not to prove people wrong. It's because I feel there's something, like. It's, like, expanding me.

Like, you feel you follow energy.

Yeah, I follow energy. Yes.

I love that.

Exactly. You put it into words.

No, it's very power. No, just because as you're saying it, like, it resonates a lot with me. I don't always know why I'm doing what I'm doing. Yeah, but you just kind of follow what feels good and feels right and gives you energy and doesn't take energy away. And I think my whole career. Not just with career, with People too.

Yeah.

Some people give me energy, some people don't. And for some reason, whatever. Whatever mission that I've been put on this earth to do, like, even when I'm tired and I'm, like, stressed out, like, when I do this, it's like every time disappears. Yeah. And I've never felt anything else like that. And I've done, like, a lot of different jobs and been successful at different things, too.

Exactly like that.

I'm curious how you turn something that gave you energy and lit you up and you were passionate about. How do you turn that into an actual job? Because that's something that a lot of people wish they could do, but they don't do successfully.

Okay. Every business is different. And in my case, when I started doing this, like, professionally, I was just recently moved to United States, and I did have a 9 to 5, actually a 9 to 5, a 6 to 10. A lot. Um, I'm. I've been very fortunate to have people in my life that have coached me without being coaches. I was reading a. A friend's post two days ago that said one of the things that I look in people is that they're coachable. Because when you meet someone that is not coachable, that thinks that know it all. Yeah, there's nothing going on there. And I was like, I'm. I'm coachable. Like, I. I open myself to listen to people that know from things that I don't know. And even if you say something that rubs me the wrong way, I'm open to, like, hearing you and asking myself, like, what is it that I don't like? Like, I understand that bias. Like, is something in me. So starting this, I had this friend. She used to live in Venezuela, and she was working for this company who manages personal branding. And this is 2009. So I had no idea what a personal brand was. Or, like, in those times, you didn't talk about content. Like, we didn't say creating content. I remember the world. The word influencer came in, like, 2013, but in that. In that moment, I had no idea. And she's like, you have this blog in blogspot. This is very good. You already use Twitter. Open your Twitter and don't keep it privately private. Start tweeting and start posting whatever you're doing in your blogspot. And I'm not thinking about money at all. So what happened to me was that tweeting, I got, like, leads for people that wanted for me to do the horoscope for the newspaper, this and that. And the thing that Changed. Like, that spark. This money thing in me was that I found out that one of the people that was publishing my horoscopes was charging for ads in the horoscope page because it had a lot of clicks. I had no malice. Like, not nothing in me was like, like, money driven. I don't know. Like, I didn't had it in me, but when I saw that, I was like, wait a minute, Wait.

They're making money off of me.

They're making money off of me. And that is not right. And also, I'm working two jobs. So wait. And she's like, no. Said IGA mas. Like, let's do this. Let's create a membership. And I'm like, how? Like, nobody's gonna pay for this. And she's like, you'll see. I started looking for pages with, like, paid content, and I think maybe the New York Times, it was one newspaper that was starting to charge for some, like, some articles, not all. And I'm like, this is not going to happen. This is not going to fly. All my people, all the people that are following me, following me on Facebook or Twitter are in Latin America. I'm charging in dollars. Like, this is not going to happen. I remember that we did this. We launched a membership in 2011. So it was like some years of me working for free. In this moment, I'm making the decision because I got fired of getting people on consultations. So I'm attending people back to back. I was charging, like, maybe 150 per consultation, one hour of reading your natal chart, transits this and that. At the same time studying to have a very good perspective, attending people. I was very scared of attending people in the beginning of not being professional enough. So I was, like, really putting myself, like, the time and effort to be professional. I didn't have any role model.

It was like a little imposter syndrome.

Yeah. Because, like, try to travel back to 2011. While in the world of astrology, there was not this role model for me to say, okay, he or she is doing it this way. I can do it this way. So I had to just, like, fake it till I make it. Creating those newer pathways to say, okay, this is happening. I'm going to believe myself that I'm this person. So I'm attending people. I'm earning a lot of, like, a little bit of money. We launched a membership, and then the membership is, like, either monthly or every six months. And I'm like, okay, this is a recurrent charge. I can, like, start making a plan. My first Plan was not to buy, I don't know, a purse or anything. I was like, I need a graphic designer. I need a graphic designer. I need somebody to help me. I refused to start Instagram because I was like, how am I going to translate astrology into pictures? Like, I didn't know how to talk about an alignment or a transit. Am I going to take a picture of the chart of the planet? What am I going to do? And then I started thinking, maybe I can pose this and this is like Venus in Scorpio, this outfit or this and that. So I was like, okay. When I open Instagram, the world really opened because everybody was like going into that social media platform. And then I was like, just promoting my, my, my membership, my business. If you wanted a horoscope, you had to go in and receive it every, every Sunday. And my membership also included class every day, like Monday, Tuesday, every day you would get 40 minute or 50 minute class to learn how to read your chart. And that was a hit. Like, I don't know how, I still don't understand how it happened, but it happened. And then I organized myself, like financially a little bit. But my first impulse was I need a team, I need people. I can do this all on my own, I think.

I mean, you say you don't know how it happened. I think it happened by you starting, which is a big blocker for a lot of people, regardless in terms of business or content or otherwise just starting, but then also just working a lot. I think you just, it sounds like you just worked a lot.

Like I worked a lot. And also, you know what, it's not.

Magic, it's a lot of hard work.

There's a lot of people that deceased, like very early. There's a huge difference because I think early adopters, we had a lot of opportunities in that moment. When I see myself, I look back 2012, 2013, for example, TV programs, magazines were catching this drill that the content was going to come from those people in social media. So a lot of people were just like knocking on the door on do this for me, come to this TV show, come to that. So I had so many opportunities that I also feel as humans, when we see that something is getting recognition, is getting you applause, you get very motivated. So if I started astrology now, now there's a lot of people creating astrology in social media. You know what I mean?

Of course.

So I think early adopters, we do have this advantage that everybody was looking for us in the beginning. And if you kept doing it, you have an authority in the, in the area, because you've been doing it for 12 years, 15 years.

But how do you, how do you. Yes, I agree, but how do you keep reinventing yourself so that you keep staying relevant and you like, what's the strategy? Because I do agree early adopters have this advantage, but you still need to find a way to like, keep the excitement in your audience or with your customers.

So this is the thing, astrology wise, every day something is happening. Like the planets are moving. So regarding content, for example, let's say I was a fashion influencer. I would be attached to trends to fall, spring. I don't know, I'm not a fashion influencer. But you have to keep looking what's going on with the brands, I guess. But as an astrologer, every day something's happening. So I don't have to think, like, what am I going to talk about? Like, I know what transit is going to happen in December and I'm already talking about it. Like, I don't even have to talk about myself. Every day there's something going on. How do I create, like the attractiveness, I think is the way of expressing myself. I think I can transmit passion because I really love what I do. And the other thing that happens is as humans, we pivot. Something happens, something changes. I started doing this when I was like 23 and I was a single girl in Miami. Okay. So from 23 to 30 something, I went through dates. I went through a lot of breakups. I went through like the six in the city time. And, and I never exposed my private life, but I had a book deal I had to write. I think it was five, six books and two book.

Yeah, good book.

And two of those books were about relationships. And that because I'm not a person to say, like, in this story, my boyfriend left. No, but I explained the whole story in the books with a little bit of astrology. Like, for example, he was a scorpion. This happened. So I think there was a great pivot because the books were literally like Sex and the City. I had characters, they were my friends. People saw them in social media. So this is Chloe and this is that. So that was a pivot. Then I went on a book tour. I came back to Miami after, like touring for like three, four months. I go to a yoga class for the first time in my life. And I don't know, I got. Not a depression, but I got like, oh my God, like my life is changing. And then I was like, I'm going to pursue yoga and I'M going to get, I'm going to get myself certified. And then I took my, my followers to get certified in yoga and cabal. And like, I've been taking these people in, all the people that are like, but it's not a lie. Like, this is me looking for answers saying, okay, I did this nutrition course and last year I did this hormone workshop. And this is happening and this is perimenopause. And this looks like the, like the moon transit, like the same way as our cycles. I find ways to see everything in life and like, how is related to astrology. So I think as women or as people that like, astrology is interesting in seeing real life experiences with that parallel. But I think that's a reinvention. I haven't, like, looked for it. I'm just like, living life.

So I have a couple thoughts I love. First of all, I think that's very wise. I hope I'm going to explain what people really have to understand from what you did. I don't know if you did it purposefully. I think you, you understand why it's so good with your content. But first idea is this is like why Taylor Swift's music is always better when she breaks up. Because.

Oh, yeah, no, my.

She has, like, experience.

My classes were amazing in each breakup because, like, let me tell you.

I know, let me tell you what.

Are the transit of a mama's boy. Like, you know, like, that's the thing.

That's. So this is what I think a lot of content creators, and I say content creators. You run a business, but you're a content creator. But a content creator is a business at the end of the day. And if you don't have good content, it's going to fall flat. People aren't going to follow you. But to be a good content creator, you have to live a life that you have to live. You have to go do shit.

Yeah.

To go out, you have to go travel, explore, like, make mistakes. Yeah.

Because get up again.

That is what. Again, hate the word. Everyone hates the word authenticity. But that's what it is. It's just bringing your life in, into your content to give you an example of how that it, like, impacts me. Like, even with the podcast. When I first started this podcast now, just over six years ago, I didn't bring any of my life into the podcast. I was scared shitless. I didn't want to talk about what's going on in my life, with my relationship with work, with anything. Now I bring everything into the podcast and it does that much better because now people feel like they know me. So they still get podcasts, they still get the content, but they, they understand that, oh, I just spent two months in Dubai because I'm trying to figure out a real estate transaction. And that was a show and I was talking to somebody that's big into real estate and drives the conversation. But it's, it's just, you bring your life into your content and then people feel like you're not just this talking head just talking at them. They're like living vicariously through you. And then you tie it back to what you do for a living, which is astrology, and then all of a sudden it's now relevant to your main content and now it's relevant to your business. I think that's one of the smartest things that anybody's ever said on this show about how to create good content. Yeah. Go live a life.

Yeah. But I have to say some things about this. I'm me, like you. Like, I don't bring my day to day to my stories. Like, I don't try to create engagement about what's happening in my day to day. I open myself about my breakups in a book because I felt like it was like a book. Like it's a book. You know what I mean?

It happened and you gave it space and then you brought it in.

But this is the thing, another thing. For example, 2025 was a year, astrologically speaking, of huge change. And I don't, like when I follow someone that is talking about something and is not following through. Like, I'm talking about change. And everybody that follows me knows that this year I've been making huge changes. I'm not going to just talk about it, I'm going to live about it. But another thing that I think is important, but this is in the world of astrology, astrology has always been tied to spirituality. For a lot of people, spirituality is, I don't eat meat, I don't make mistakes. If I know astrology, I know what's going to happen to me. And I'm like, I feel like I'm a very spiritual person, but I'm still like, I make mistakes. I'm impulsive. I follow the energy, I follow like the love, the heart. I don't pose myself as this spiritual, elevated person that is not going to make mistakes, because that's a lie. You know, I've been trying really hard to separate astrology from spirituality. Not because it's not tied up, but because in my world, in my business, World, if you're an astrologer, if you do tarot, Reiki or something like that, you shouldn't charge. But that's the thing. I'm a very ambitious person. I'm not gonna deny that in the sense that I do see all the time that I invest creating content, not for social media, but for my membership. I work every day, four to five hours, just recording all the time for classes. I take, like workshops and courses, not only about astrology, other things too. So I do see all my effort. I do see all the people that I have in my company. Astral is a big company. We have people in Mexico, in Colombia, in Spain, in United States. We used to have something in like, in Netherlands. Like, we are a big, big team. So I do create content and create a business to provide to all these people. You know what I mean? And people from outside don't see that. They think that, oh, if it's astrology and it's spiritual, you shouldn't charge.

And I'm like, why do people say that? So I don't agree with that.

No, I don't agree with that either. And I do believe that even though I'm taking all the shit for it, in the sense that before me, I never saw someone like, saying unapologetically, this is my workshop, this is the value. My time is valuable. I'm working on myself. I'm trying to get more degrees or more everything that you have to do for it. I do believe there is a value on the perspective that you have built it. I hope it opens the doors for other people working this type of content, saying, yeah, if I work for your newspaper or your magazine, this is how much I charge for this piece. Because what people don't know about astrology is that you study every, every day, there's always something happening and you have to sharpen your vision. Because if not, for example, this is the thing, you see the world as you are, not as the world is. So I've seen astrologers say, oh, this is a Pluto transit. This is going to be awful for you. Like what this guy did to me. If you don't open your mind and get out of yourself, you're going to make content and horoscope for 12 signs from your little bubble from your life. So, for example, one thing I do a lot, I go into forums in other astrology sites. Why? Because I need to see another astrology perspective, astrologer's perspective. I need to see how they frame world events. I need to study the history of some Transits. If not, you said go out and live because if not it's just a little bubble and that takes time, that takes effort, that is valuable. And another thing that I understood this year and it was like, because I went into creator method and I met people like you or like Gary is like, you have something very valuable is that you've been creating content for 18 years so you can teach people about content. And I'm like, you see, like, yeah, but since people frame you in like if you're good at this and it's easy for you should be free. It's like, I know. So I do have experience in this and I do have experience in that. And I hope everybody that's doing something out of passion can see that. There are a lot of accomplishments in all of that journey. For sure.

One last thought on, on how you've built up this incredible business because I think this is also a useful lesson for people that are, they have passion and they're building something that they're passionate about. But say they didn't take the leap. They're doing it in my opinion, smartly. So they're still working their 9 to 5. How do you know when you take that hobby and you turn it into something full time, like you turn it into your life and your career.

My life is not a really good example because I had a 9 to 5 and then an 8 to 3am and my boss from my 9 to 5 fired me because he told me like your life is not here. Like you really love astrology, like you do your own thing. I'm gonna let you go with a two months paid. But you know, this is, I'm so grateful for that. But the way that I see a lot of people have done the jump is that they know they, they want to jump and they start like saving what they call a you fund. Have you heard about it?

Yes, I have. Yeah.

That you have to have like at least six to nine months in all the expenses that you need and then you make the jump. So I'm not a very good example because it was different times. I had like other situation. But if I, if I had to do it now, I would have my job and I would start working on my thing regardless. Like a little, little by little giving attention to both start looking for business opportunities in this thing that is my passion. You know in, in Kabbalah they say that the thing you would love the most, your passion shouldn't be your main source of income because is so pure that nothing should tainted in a way. So I do believe, like, try to keep your passion sparking. Get from that energy to the things you have to do to keep life moving. But start saving. Like, know what you need to expect to spend and what you don't need to spend. Save enough to have that moment when you feel like it's time to do the jump. I wouldn't do the jump if I didn't have like a, a, like a source of income, something that is moving. Like maybe a business model or an idea. I would do that too. Like when I started, I didn't know what a business model was. I didn't know like about tax, like about anything. I had to learn on the go. If I would start again, I would learn how to handle money first in my personal life. Like me, what's my relationship with money? What's my relationship with growth? What. What's my relationship with necessary sacrifices? And then I would do that, like feeling like I have an idea of what I'm doing.

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Ever since I started, I've always felt this is something I want to do. Even if I didn't earn any money, I would still do astrology for sure. For sure. But I've had my doubts. Not creating content, not doing astrology. Like in 2022 was a very hard year for me because I didn't know how to be a boss like how to lead a team, how to manage my. Maybe fire and impulsivity. Like, handling teams, creating groups, hearing what they needed to say for me was very hard. My best friend works with me. She's here and she comes from corporate. And it's not that she brought corporate to MI Astral, but she brought some practices that are healthy practices in a company. And for me, like, understanding. For me, that was like, going through, like, flow and stream to like, Like a quadricular.

Like a box.

Yeah, like a box. But some boxes are needed. You know? You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like, you can. You're not going to cheat the system and not pay. Like, you have to do everything.

Forget. Forget even that. I mean, like, just in terms of. I'll give you. I'll give you an example. That happens to me, like, sometimes when I'm like, with my scrappy little podcast. Like, I've worked in corporate before.

I've never worked.

You get very comfortable. Like, I run my whole team on WhatsApp. Yeah, that's not corporate. That's not corporate. Right, Corporate.

But, you know, you. You laugh, but. No, we laugh, but it's true. And I've talked about this with other business owners. Like, we got slack. And for me was like, hey, can you send me this? And then it's like, no, hi, good morning. Like, it does Ma. You laugh.

I'm laughing. Because you're the same.

You laugh. But all those little things matter. Like getting the time to talk of one. Like, for example, taking the time to tell one of the people in your team, this idea you brought is amazing, and it did super well. And the work you're doing is. You think that doesn't matter, but you really do need to learn how to lead because the success of your. Your work, it also relies on the success on the team and how they feel and the connection that is going in the, like in. In the everyday life. You don't. You forget because you're creating content and you have, like, running the business and doing the investment. But you're part of their everyday life. And maybe you don't know it, but they look up to you and they're looking up to what? Like, your lead to do this and that sometimes. Not only in business, sometimes also in life. And you have. I know, it's like another space in your mind that you're like, okay, I have to take this into account too. But you really have to pull yourself into being a leader, knowing how to be a boss, owning your mistakes and saying it, and also invest in Their development. Like, workshop this. Let's bring somebody. Let's do this meditation together. Because we do. I thank God I have some. Like, the girl in human resources, she's amazing, and she's always, like, taking care of these things. So, yeah, it's been like a journey to learn those things too.

Yes. But I mean, when you, like, again, if this is something that you're. You are so committed to doing, I'm just gonna just say it one last time. Like, when you, when you take the first step, you. You do figure it out. Like, you really do figure it out. It sounds like a lot, but again, like, all the cliches are also very true. You don't compare someone. Someone else's year 10 to your year one. Like, take the first step, lean in, surround yourself with good people. It does work out.

But I do have second guess myself in that sense. In, like, am I built up to be, like, an owner? Do I need somebody to like in those situations is when I get, like, either frustrated or feel like I'm not doing enough. I should put like. And I did the job like I used to. I. I remember four or five years ago that I felt like all my job was to do astrology. But no, it's also be a boss. It's also looking for another business. It's like, there's more to it, but you grow into it.

I think you grow into it. I also think that this is a really good point, a very important point. So even if you're doing something that you're passionate about, a lot of the work to make that passion a business is not things that you'll be passionate.

About, but it's a part of it.

It's a part of it. So a lot of the, A lot of the hiring and the sales and the leadership and the marketing, the hr, the finance, like, that's not things that anybody's passionate. Maybe some. Not many people are passionate.

People are.

Some people I'm not.

You would be surprised. You think you feel like you're a people's person?

Yeah.

Yeah, I am. I think because some people are not. Like, I. I mean, I think that's.

Why I enjoy doing this.

I believe I'm a people's person. But all those things, like, hi, good morning. This, like, all those little details, they were not, like, first nature for me. And now they've come to be first nature in everything. And I do see the value in it, like, for whoever is listening to us and thinking. That's like, a lot of things. You grow. You have Time and you grow into it little by little by little. Own your mistakes. Like have this. Even though, like maybe like you, you manage people in different cities or places, have this open door policy of you can come to me and ask me whatever you need to ask me. Like, I don't believe in my business, in this, I'm here and you're here. Like, we're all open to like exchange ideas, brainstorming, give me guidance. I, I never hire somebody who loves, loves, loves the brand because I never want to be working with somebody that is just like, oh, I love astrology or I love Mia Strat. I, it's not that. Well, I do love, I love when people criticize me in a right way. Like has healthy criticism because I know it's going to help grow the brand and create something better.

But that's also why the people that you surround yourself with, to your point, they can't just be fans, they have to be professionals and they have to be good at what they do. But they also have to be comfortable, like speaking up and telling them something's wrong.

But you create that space.

Yeah.

With your attitude, you create that space when they can say, hey, I think this can be a change or this or that. And I think that's also healthy in other relationships too. But you have to become aware of what you don't see or yourself. Sometimes I ask my friends and they, they tell me like, yeah, sometimes you're scary. And I'm like, ah, I don't see myself that way. But you have to ask these things. There's this practice before Rosh Hashanah in Kabbalah that you know when you're like the month before Rosh Hashanah, the month of Elul, you ask the people closest to you to tell you things that you don't see about yourself. And it's, it's funny because you think you know yourself and then these people is like, I, I live with you every day and you do this and that and you're like, ah, indignado. But it's true, it happens. So you have to learn how to see yourself from outside.

I think it's very wise because even people that think they're self aware and they, they think they know themselves, who you are is actually not who you think you are. Who you are is how other people perceive you. That that is your reality, that that is reality. Excuse me, it's not your reality, but that is reality. So it doesn't matter how good or bad or nice or mean you think you are. If people don't perceive you that way, it doesn't make a difference. I. I didn't know that was a practice in. In Judaism.

Not in Judaism, in Kabbalah, but Kabbalah has roots.

Like Kabbalah has roots in Judaism, but it's evolved.

Yeah. The same calendar and everything, but anybody can practice Kabbalah. And I do follow all the holidays and everything. And I do this practice with my husband. I used to do it with my friends, like, also in Tubiab, that is, like, Kabbalistic, the day of Love, we used to do this exchange of rose quartz and dressed in white and ask for our desires for the next year. Like, everything. I used to do everything. Now I do these practices with my husband. But it's really interesting because Kabbalah is always trying to teach you to find a way to get out of your ego, I guess, like the way you see yourself. In astrology, we have this method, like, there's the sun and your rising sign, and the sun is how you think you're perceived, and the rising sign is the relationship you have with yourself. And when you understand both, you're like, huh, There's a huge gap between what I project and what I really am. So it's like, I find, like, everything. You're gonna find a way to understand these things. It's from Kabbalah, from numerology, astrology, human design. You're always gonna find a way to understand. Who do I think I am and what am I projecting?

All of these. All of these ideas and practices, they're all really leading to the same end result.

Yes. Like, you choose your umbrella, but try to choose something to. To see yourself.

How did you. How did you decide what you wanted to include in your teachings? How did you decide? Okay, so for people who don't understand the different versions of astrology, I know there's a few different versions. I don't know the names of all them, but I know there's a few different versions. But then there is, like, human design. There is Kabbalah, which I just know because there's, like, roots in Judaism for Kabbalah. I don't know anything about human design, but I've heard people speak about it before, so there's so many different umbrellas. How did you choose what you wanted to include, what you wanted to learn from? How do you combine them? Are there some that are not so legitimate, some that are more legitimate? Like, how do you make that? Because there's so much. And I think that this is a whole other. Whole other conversation. But I think that it's a valid idea. I think that as people and society moved away from traditional versions of religion and God and became somewhat more secular, I think that a lot of these practices fill the void because I think.

They do for faith.

For faith, right? People always need faith. And I actually think it's very healthy to have faith. Because if you don't have faith, then I think you have a very hard time removing your ego. Because for a moment, if you don't have faith in something bigger than yourself, the biggest thing in your life is yourself. I think that's very dangerous. I think that's not a good way to operate through life. So for me, I don't really have any, you know, care what someone else believes or doesn't believe in. But I think that the worst thing they can believe in is their own ego being the most important thing.

Yeah, they got.

Yes, I think it's very, very, very toxic. I also, I. There's an idea also, when you remove God from society, people find gods in other things. And it could be astrology, that could be the thing that they look to, which is fine. But it gets very bad when the God turns into a vice like work or money or something else, right? Where they think that they're only put on this earth to serve money and to serve work or to serve some other, you know, a worse vice like alcohol, drugs, gambling, whatever it is. There's a million different vices that can replace faith and spirituality. But that being said, if somebody is trying to understand what they should listen to, what they shouldn't listen to, maybe they don't have a traditional religious God in their life. How do help them navigate? Because there's so much out there. So help them navigate what they should listen to and what they shouldn't. And you can use your own experience too, like how did you navigate? Because you probably have full view of everything that is more new.

I don't, because for example, I mentioned human design yesterday I had a, like a live class meeting with all my students and somebody asked about human design. I'm very frontal insane when I don't know about something and I don't know a lot. I don't know anything about human design. They told me I'm a manifesto something, but it has never caught my attention. Like I follow what really gets my attention. I do believe, like for me, I don't know for other people. I think faith is healthy when it question itself in the sense, like when I give classes, I'm like, okay, this is happening. Astrologically, I'm gonna give you these questions, question even what I'm saying, how did you experience it? For me, I take what has worked. Putting the work in me, not putting the certainty outside. So, for example, Kabbalah makes a lot of questions. I did psychoanalysis for eight years as a therapy, and there were a lot of questions. Like, in psychoanalysis, there's not like, oh, this is what you have, or this is what it was. Each session ended with a question, like an open question that get me through thinking many things. So I follow whatever allows me the time to think. Never putting, like, the God, like, I am the God, no, but the certainty and the work is within me, not outside. And for example, in astrology, a lot of people use astrology saying, for example, you're a Leo, so this is how you are. I don't believe that. I believe that each chart is unique. And I also believe that you're going to choose what to do, what to show from that chart, even when you don't know it. You know what I mean? So whatever labels you and puts you in a little box, I don't go with that. I need to have space to question myself, to question things, and I follow what I think. It has worked for me. How do I know it has worked for me? It has helped me grow, it has helped me help other people, or it has given me a source of strength in very dark times. But never, ever putting, as I said, the certainty outside. I don't tell people what to do. I place questions like, I tell you, how is the energy, how it can manifest? And then I place the question, how are you feeling it? What do you feel you want to do with it? That way it's more like a dialogue. I never want to place myself in the position of a guru or tell or knowing how everything is, because, as I told you, like, I feel a lot of people has used astrology or other ways of, like this philosophical thinking from a place of superiority. And I don't believe in that.

Do you ever find that? Because astrology, I guess, is, is. Is old. It's. It's old wisdom. Kabbalah is also very old wisdom. What is more New age?

I think there's a lot of things that have been going on for a long time. For example, human design. I have no idea how long has been, but I feel like it's. It's becoming trendier in the past maybe 10 years.

That could also be what I'm just thinking of, like what New age spirituality means. And it could also Just be looking at something that's old, like Kabbalah, and then it becomes popular and people start to study it. And then it seems like it's more New age, even though it's been around.

For Kabbalah is very interesting because it's been like a wave. I remember when Madonna started talking about Kabbalah in 1998 maybe. And then it went away. Then it came back. Then it went away. And I've seen since 2024, it came right, like right back. But right now I'm going to mention some astrological transit. We have the north node in Pisces. So we're having eclipses in Pisces. And every time this happens, there's like a surge in faith and in spirituality. Like, people need something to hold on. Like, it's having like a renaissance. It could be astrology, it could be Kabbalah, it could be anything. But right now. And you're gonna see it like, if you. For me, social media is like, it's telling me the vibe and the mood of people. And I've seen with Catholicism or with Judah, like, everything is coming stronger, but I don't see it like, oh, it's Christianism or it's Judaism. For me, it's like, okay, it's spirituality. Something is happening here with faith. Like, people need something to hold on to.

And, you know, so this is what's so interesting. So when you see astrologically this indicator, you do see it play out in.

Real life every time. There's like a huge transit coming up. For example, right now we're having eclipses in Virgo and Pisces. Every time we're having eclipses in Virgo and Pisces. Like this, for example, Virgo is the south node. Right now there's going to be a surge in self care. Every little detail, all the steps you do for your morning routine. Mind you, the last time we had these eclipses was 19 years ago, this type of eclipses. So there's no way for me to say, oh, 19 years ago we had Instagram and everybody was posting the routine. But before these eclipses started, I gave a class in March 2024 saying to my students, okay, these eclipses are gonna come up Virgo. That is the sign of like the body and all routines. We're gonna have eclipses there. So you guys are gonna see a search in everything that has to do with routines and monetarize everything. Because last year I was already seeing people with the oura ring with this, like trying to get analytics for everything. And I said, this is gonna get stronger. Pisces is the other sign. We're going to have eclipses. Everything's going to be into spirituality or faith and this and that. I say this before the transit starts. And then I'm like, okay, what have we seen about this? Like, did we see the search before these eclipses? We had it in Aries and Libra. Every time there's eclipses in Aries and Libra, there's a lot of things with war and Libra rules relationships. And my example was, let's see what happens to Bumble. So to match, because Libra is going to have eclipses. And if we're going to have eclipses in the sign of relationships, and now everybody's trying to connect through, like online. Let's see what happens. I didn't know what was going to happen. The eclipses happen. And something we saw, like the tendencies in social media was Gen Z saying, I don't want to do hinge or I don't want to do that because I want to meet people in real life. So we start seeing the trends and then we see it in real life. No, it's super interesting. There's this astrologer, Richard Tarnas. He has this book called Cosmos and Psyche. Is that like the huge, huge book? All he did was talking about transits through history and manifestation that has happened. And he's like, okay, astrology is not a science, it's a pseudoscience. But it's the science of observation that every time we have certain type of transit, these are the manifestations. So for example, every 36 years, Pluto and Saturn get into a conjunction. And every time that happens, there's like the Spanish flu And the in 1982 was AIDS. Like, there's like a viral thing that in the beginning people don't understand, and then Voila. So in 1982 was the first time, like, they were handling AIDS, and then 2020 came and it was the coronavirus. So Richard Tarnas said, I don't know what's gonna happen in 2020, but every time we're having this, there's a virus. So that's the thing. Astrology has a lot in observation of transits through history. So every time a transit's gonna come, I explain my students what has happened before. The history is not gonna represent itself exactly the same because we're in another times. You know, like, war is not going to be the same in 1942. Like, it's not going to be the same now. We have so much technology So I present like the basis of the energy and we see it developing in time. It's like the same base but in a different version, if you know what I mean.

I know exactly what you mean.

For example, this year we had a lot of transits that I've never lived. Like, for example, Neptune could enter Aries last time it was 1800s, I was not here. Uranus entered Gemini 84 years ago. I wasn't here. But not only I explained my students what happened the last time this transit came up. I also studied people who was born with it. For example, I was not alive when Uranus was in Gemini 84 years ago. But we have some people that were born with this transit. And I'm like taking these people and saying, okay, let's see, for example, Trump is one of them. He was born with Uranus in Gemini. How would you describe him? This, this and that. Okay, so this transit is starting now. What about these characteristics? You think it's happening? So, for example, Uranus in Gemini, you are very radical with your thinking is either this or that. And another thing that happens with Uranus in Gemini is that you say one thing, but in action you do something completely different. So I never leave the transit. But I explained this to my students and yesterday I asked, okay, what have we seen about doing something, saying something, doing something completely opposite. And what have we seen about people being very radical in their thinking? You know what I mean?

I know, exactly. So when you think about the usefulness of astrology, you see some sort of, how else do I describe them? Like macro trends. You see macro trends with a person or personality or an event on Earth, what is it not useful for? Then what do people assume that astrology can tell them that it actually isn't? Like, can somebody astrology say, like, I know what's going to happen this afternoon, Is that too micro? Is that too like of a niche use for it?

First, astrologers, we use what's called an orb. Orb is the separation in mathematical degrees for an event to happen. There's astrologers that use a huge orb and they don't have precision in their predictions. The other thing is the narrow minded, for example, seeing a Pluto transit and saying immediately this is going to be death. Because there's others, other ways to explain it. For example, the thing that this astrologer saw in my chart, sun next to the south node, he can say, okay, the south node is a point of release. So if the sun, that is essence is next to the south node, your essence is going to be released and then you can see another astrologer say no. The thing is that you help people release old thinking, you know.

Yeah.

So that's why it's very important to open your mind, keep studying, like get different point of views. But yes, if you go into micro trends, for example, just today, the moon is having seven aspects like every 20 minutes and an hour and a half. If I tell you everything that's going to happen today, you're not going to live your life. So I don't focus myself in teeny tiny transits that are just going to drive you crazy. One of the things I tell the people that follow me is don't come to me. The first thing you do in the morning, get your mindset going, like, ask your day, like how you want your day to be. Don't look for astrology to tell you how it's gonna be. You know, I don't want people depending on astrology. I don't want people like getting this source of faith just in that that's not what I want to teach. Because you're gonna go crazy. So many things happen astrologically in a day that micro trends or microtransits, they just like, I think they entertain people, you know what I mean? It's like if you hold on to it, you're entertained. Like when you have a subject that you talk about it all the time, it's good for the coffee table, but it's not good to live that. You need to have a life, you need to make your own choices. So I focus more on big trends that we're going to see unraveling through time for people to study, develop and get a sense of it.

I assume people will go crazy if you try and focus on the minute by minute.

I've seen astrologers, for example, there are astrologers on X that every time there's an aspect, they tweet the aspect. So imagine following that and getting every two minutes, every five minutes, like this is parallel to that, this is next to that, you go crazy. And I don't wanna me myself, I, I have no notifications on my phone. I love silence. I would hate to be the person who's always disrupting your attention, if you know what I mean. For me, attention is very important. I'm not going to post something just for the means of posting it. Every time I post something I'm saying to myself, I'm taking attention from this person, like why people pay attention, you know what I mean? So it's very important to be Conscious of that in my mind, like that's what, that's how I think.

No, I think that's smart. I think that's wise. I think that, listen, I'm not a big fan of social media in general, but I think that if you use it for the right way, it can be very beneficial to people. But we don't need any, any more people just contributing to stress and anxiety and constant like information over like it's not healthy. There's enough people already doing it really that are just inundating people with like non stop, not just astrology but like this is happening in the world over here and this war is happening over here and this bad thing happened over there. And like I just feel like if you can, if you can give a lot of value to somebody's life, it's beautiful. But not, not through just like constant bombardment of like up to the second.

Sometimes, you know, as I told you before, fear is effective and attention is a business, you know, And I curate what I watch, I curate what I read because I know how everything is just going into me. And even when I'm telling myself no, like I don't believe in this, it's just everything getting into me. So I try to curate what I consume and I also think in the same way with what I give. So I'm very respectful of that. And a lot of people think with people like you or me that we live all day in social media. And I don't. Most of the times I post, I check the comments, but I try to reduce a lot of my time in social media because you get so distracted and it's very hard to have a business or to do many things when your attention is just scattered everywhere.

I don't check social media through the day.

There you go.

Is like most of my content scheduled in advance?

Most of my content is scheduled. I do believe in answering questions in the comments because you build a community, you're there for them. And I don't let other people answer comments like if you see me or if you see a typo, that was me, like that was me. But I don't spend the day like just looking at stories, this and that. I do at the end of the day, if I see like memes and funny things, I send it to my, like my mom and my friends because I need to like to have a laugh. But I take very seriously on not taking people's attention for granted or to scare people or for example. Another thing that I don't do is like every time Somebody dies, some astrologers start talking about the person who died and saying the transits. I don't do that because I respect that. Like, this is. You're not gonna take that for a hook or for engagement.

Well, that's what people do. They jump on. They jump on these, like, really horrible world events.

Yeah.

To make, you know, content. And you see it all the time. I've never liked doing that. I don't even like talking about world events in the podcast because I'm like, yes, can I. Can I get more views? Yeah. But I feel like it's. I feel like it's cheap content.

I. I think so, too. I think it also, like, morally and ethically, like, I don't know. I just don't.

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Oh yeah, of course. Like traditional astrology and Kabbalah and Kabbalistic astrology will clash all the time because traditional astrology tells you that something is as it is and that's what it is. Like if you're a Leo, this is how you are and who you are. And Kabbalah poses the question like, really are you? The main goal in Kabbalistic astrology is that the moment you die, nobody can tell if you were a Leo or a Virgo. Like the whole point of Kabbalistic astrology is like, okay, this is the potential, but you're gonna elevate like Above. And in the end, you're not labeled. I don't know if I'm explaining myself.

You are. Yeah, you are. But you start with a guide. Astrology is a guide for you.

You have a guide. But the one that I practice, for example, I always give this example because it's very strong. I was born with Venus in Scorpio. And if you go into traditional astrology, I'm a jealous person. I'm like super intense. And like, I fall in love once and I never let go. I am a very passionate person. But instead of using that Venus in Scorpio in relationships, I pour it into what I like and I have a return of investment. Instead of like saying, no, I'm just gonna love once. Like, Kabbalah teaches you how to use that energy for something. Kabbalah is sharing. Like, that's the purpose of Kabbalah. So how do you use that for something? It doesn't. Sometimes it doesn't even have to be good or purposeful, but do something with it. And psychoanalysis teaches you the same thing. You're mad, okay, what are we gonna do with it? What do you wanna do with that energy? You know what I mean? Like, everything has a use in my. In my mind, like something to do with it.

Why. Why is traditional astrology so rigid? Like, how does that help anybody?

You know what? I don't think it's rigid. It's not. Astrology is whoever is framing it. You know what I mean? But I do think this is changing. I do see that there's like a new wave of astrologers. It's not about age. They're not all Gen Z. Like, I do believe there has been an opening. And I see more people creating content in a way that is to help you develop instead of framing you like, or labeling you. I think that labeling side of astrology was very hard, maybe in the early 2000s, but it has flourished a lot. And I give credit to that also. You know, it's gonna. You're gonna laugh, but there's a lot of people that maybe they're not astrologers, but they make like, funny content about astrology. Maybe some serious astrologers are gonna say they don't help the cause. But you know what? I do believe that people that create memes about astrology are helping two things, like, two reasons why. First, they bring people to astrology that maybe would have never gotten into astrology. And I think the more it grows, the better. Why not? And second, I love humor. I think teaching with humor is very Smart. And if I can teach you something with humor and you can see the light side of something that you up for now, you feel. You felt like it's very heavy. Maybe it opens yourself to. Okay. Like, it's not that hard. I'm gonna work on this. You know what I mean? So I do believe that everything helps a little bit.

No, I agree with you. I think that, listen, if. If you're trying to influence somebody, and this is, again, not just with astrology, but if you're trying to influence anybody and teach anybody anything, like, you have to meet them where they're at.

Exactly.

You do. You really have to. I mean, this is why. This is why a lot of, like, political people use memes to get an ideology across. Like, this is. It's not that. Forget politics. But the point is, like, it works. If you want somebody to understand what you're talking about, you have to meet them where they're at. And. And humor and memes, it's, like, culturally relevant.

Exactly. It's a language.

It's a language that people understand. So especially if you want to get a younger generation on board, like, you do have to joke around about things like, don't take life so seriously either, because that starts. That's the curiosity. Right. And they start to learn.

Astrology has a very difficult language if you don't know it. You hear about trying sextiles, conjunctions, parallels, and you have no idea. And I know that if you don't know it, as soon as you hear something like that, you're disengaged. You don't. You can't, because you can follow it. So I do believe, like, speaking to you in a language you can hear. What's my. What's my goal for you to understand me, yes or no? So that. Always think. What's your end goal? Also always think, I see a lot of people not in astrology, in life, like, talking about relationships in general, not love relationships. Like, this is how it affects me, and this is happening to me. It's like, you happen to other people too. Are you aware of how you happen to other people? So I'm always, like, very aware of, okay, when I say this, is this gonna make people understand or no? And I use the simplest language or the simplest examples in real life. I feel like I create astrology for people like me. Like, I want to connect with something, but I want to understand and be able to carry on with my life. So I think the simplest way, the better. Your message has to be like water that goes everywhere.

Talk to me about. Talk to me about spiritual bypassing. So what. What is spiritual bypassing? Because I think that that's. I mean, we spoke a lot about, like, not just removing personal responsibility because you believe in something. You can't just remove personal response. But I've never heard that term before.

What spiritual bypassing is when you use anything spiritual to avoid responsibility, for example.

That's literally what it is.

It is literally. But example in the world of astrology would be, oh, I forgot to come to the podcast. Even though we have an agreement because Mercury was retrograde. You know what I mean? Or, for example, yes, I reacted in this explosive way. The moon was conjunct Mars today. So if you come to me with any of those things, my dog ate the homework, forget it. But also in life. So what's spirituality for you? Let me ask you.

For. For me, it's believing in something bigger than myself. It's being put on this earth to. To be a good, moral, ethical person, to try and do my best to give value to the world, to not leave a legacy in terms of, like, people remembering my name, but leave a legacy with my kids so that they can carry on my values to the next generation. That's spirituality. It's just like doing good beyond myself. That's how I see it.

That's great. For me, spirituality is. Okay. There's a spirit, a spirit that came into this body, in this earth, in this finite, like, where material beings. Right. And is seeing beyond the material. Like, for example, we're just talking, but maybe this can spark something beyond you and I. Something like that. For a lot of people, spirituality is meditating every day or going to temple or church every day or every week, doing yoga all the time. You don't have an idea of how many angry messages I get from people saying that I'm not spiritual because I use makeup or from people saying that I'm not spiritual because I charge my.

Accountant for the business.

Yeah. Yeah. So for me, spirituality is. There's one line. I do what I say I'm gonna do. I do think on the consequences of things that I'm gonna do. And I try to see things not as just like I take it for granted, like, just what I see. There's a 99% of everything I see. You know what I mean? Like, whatever I see in this material world, this is the last step of manifestation. Whatever material we see, it came from an idea. It came from an energy. For me, being spiritual is never to forget that there's something beyond what we just can see. So I remember going into this class and the teacher saying, for me, it's more spiritual that if a person breaks my window coming to me and saying, I'm sorry I broke your window. And maybe I cannot pay you today, but I'm gonna take responsibility for this. Of a person coming and say, I broke a window, but I'm gonna pray and I'm gonna this. And you have a responsibility. Everything else that you take as an excuse not to take responsibility is a bypass. And I do take this also into astrology when I see people saying, no, this happened to me because of this and that. For example, no, I have a mental fog because Mercury is opposing Saturn. And I'm like, girl, if you've been with a mental fog for a long time, do a hormone panel.

Yeah, maybe there's mold in your house.

Do a hormone panel. No, like, being realistic, like we have. I. I call this the school in the sense, like, okay, I'm a spirit. I'm a spirit that incarnated and having this experience. What am I gonna do with this? But I do have to take responsibility into account. I do have to, like, take ownerships on the. Of the things I'm doing, on my mistakes, on everything. Always knowing that I'm not. What we said before, this God or this ego. You know what I mean?

I like that a lot. One, one quote that you have that I thought was really, really smart was. And I think this ties into spiritual bypassing. Getting rid of all responsibility. Assuming that anything bad that happens in your life is not your fault at all. But the quote is, you'll never be happy if you get rid of unhappiness, because you've gotta be fully alive to get happier. So I think that. I don't know if this is too much of a stretch, but I feel like if people use spiritual bypassing and they say that everything bad in their life is not their fault, they're not taking ownership of it. So they can't actually enjoy the things that are good in their life because they've never really taken ownership over the bad.

You know, there's also the people that say everything happens for a reason, you know? But why do you think that is? Because we're meaning making machines. Whatever happens, your brain is going to find a way to say, oh, this is why it happens. Like an association. I believe that, like, when you understand how the mind works, how the body works, how energy works too, you understand that all the range of emotions serve something. So you can't deny any of those parts. Like Going back to the spiritual and the material part, let's say that being spiritual is just. I'm completely detached from the material world. But how are you going to completely detach from your health or taking care of your body or, like, for example, caring you have a family or caring for your family and caring to provide for them if you have a family, isn't the most spiritual thing to, like, think about how you're going to provide for them.

Of course. Yeah.

So that's the thing. I think that anything that detaches you and takes you into extreme is not gonna help you live what you came to live. You know, all the contrast is what makes, like, the juice happen. So I think the terms have to be changing around spirituality or the spiritual bypass and really connect the 360 of what we are. That quote you mentioned about unhappiness. Yes. You need that contrast to see. You need your mistakes to like, but.

You need to believe your mistakes are your own.

Exactly. Yeah. But also your emotions are your own. Like, everything is happening, like, is happening within you. Understand it and create from it. Don't run away from it. Even, like, everything serves something. As I said, sometimes I. I have done things out of trauma. For example, when you ask me, did you do this because you want to try to prove this guy wrong? That I don't believe. That's one of my pillars. But, for example, I'm the kind of person that if my gas tank is in the middle, I want to feel it right away. And I know that's a trauma response of some, like, other things, but it serves something. Once you see that, you know what to do with it. So when you see happiness and unhappiness, once you appreciate unhappiness, you own it and you say, okay, this is part of it. Okay, you create something out of it. Like, don't neglect one of your mistakes or experiences, because everything adds to where you're gonna go in life. You know what I mean?

I know exactly what you mean. Do you feel or do you see with people that gravitate towards astrology, they are looking at it as a band aid for something in their life. Just a general, like, speaking generalities. Not everyone, obviously, but do you feel like the majority of people, you have to sort of reframe what it's actually for as opposed to what they're looking for?

Yeah, and I think that happens with love, but it happens in everything. Because, for example, this type of podcast that you do, I still to this day, like, one of the first things, if I have time in the morning is I listen to something inspirational. And I know it's a band aid sometimes, but it helps me to break imaginary glass ceilings. Sometimes. When you interview somebody that tells something that resonates with me. Like you can use anything as a band aid. Yes. Astrology is gonna have like this. It's like a huge band aid. But it depends on how you guide them. Am I gonna allow for it to continue to be a band aid? Once you come into my content and you start hearing, oh, but how do you handle this? Is this your responsibility? Maybe I'm not that content creator that is gonna rock you to sleep. Maybe I'm more like a soft slap.

I like that.

Maybe like a soft cosmic slap. But I never. I say this in my membership all the time. I don't expect to you for being this membership forever. I just expect for you to get the grounds and move on, like graduate from it.

What has been. Because obviously astrology and, and cabal and literally everything you've brought into your life has been for some. Some version of personal growth. It's all.

Yeah. For some. For some void.

What has been the most impactful personal growth that you've gotten? What is it? What has changed in your life the.

Most of the things that I've studied?

Yeah. What has really actually helped you, honestly, Kabbalah. And what did it do for you?

Because this mindset of being more proactive in the sense of, am I going to let this be like a step down or a step stone? As I said, we're meaning making machines. So the Titanic for someone is a love boat for another one. It's just perspective. I do believe it's convenient for you to try to see something that is hard as, okay, this is gonna polish me or this is gonna give me the strength that I know I have. I mean, it's convenient for you to think that way. I do believe that if you're gonna create a mindset, create a mindset that helps you, not a mindset that, you know, makes you feel under your potential. So I do believe like that mindset, even though it's like a narrative, it is like that, a program. It has helped me go through very difficult times is the ability to choose how I want to see something. And I'm not always choosing to see the circumstances like, no, this is nothing. This is only unicorns. I try to see it as an objective way, but the way that I talk to myself, you know what I mean? It has changed the way that I talk to myself. Another thing that really changed me is meditation. And I know it's a cliche, but the things that I'm a very not impatient. Like my mind is always thinking, creating. So for me, sitting down and just breathe was very hard. Like, like I'm always doing something. But it made a click when I was finally able to do it. And I don't do it every day, honestly. But when I catch myself the way that I thought, like the way that I talk to myself, a lot of people, you know, you talk to yourself every day and a lot of people are not aware of the words they use. I've seen people saying I'm so stupid. You know, it happens all the time. And I do believe that's that creates your self concept.

But a thousand percent it does also from like a biological response.

And then you feel it.

Yes.

If you, if you say I'm stressed, I'm stressed. I'm stressed. Yeah. And if this is scientifically proven. So Kabbalah made me pause. Then I got into meditation and then I started changing the way that I talk to myself. And then I got into the daily pages. I don't know if you've heard of the daily page.

This writing daily. Yeah, no, I, I've never heard of daily pages, but I also write every day just for my own mental health, to be quite honest.

Change. Like this was a game changer.

Like free flow writing.

No, I used to do the free flow writing daily pages. I don't know if that's like a trademark thing. I have no idea. That's how I call it. Every day I write in present time, things that I want for me to have. Like I want it to happen.

For example, like, I want this podcast to go well.

No, no, this podcast is going. Is gonna go well. Or for example, I'm patient, I'm kind, I'm a patient listener. It's not, it's something that I want to develop. But you write it in present time. And the things that your brain doesn't fat fact check all of these. So when you say it, let's say you're going to call me and I'm like, I want to be patient. No, I'm. I'm patient, I'm kind, I'm a patient listener. There's more probability for me to be a patient listener when you're talking to me than just going in autopilot. So I do this every day on things that I want. I write in present time. And in that moment you start creating the neural pathways for that to happen. And you just practice and practice and Practice. So let's say this week, before every meeting that I have, I'm a leader. I'm a patient leader. Let's say that I do this for five meetings that I have this week, and then next week, I do it before three meetings. I'm already practicing it. So it. It goes developing. It's like a new way of being. It's like that fake it till you.

Make it, except you are literally. You're literally taking on the Persona of that thing, and you actually become that thing.

For me, it has work. It has work. I started doing it last year, and for me, it has worked, but depends on how you do it, I guess. Some people do it like, I am a millionaire. I am like, I do things on traits that I want to, like, see better in myself. This example that I just gave is, like, my typical daily page. I'm patient. I listen like, those things that I know that because I always go fast, and I think very fast. So it has created, like, this new Persona until you're that Persona. You know what I mean?

If people are consuming your content and they. And they know your content, and they're looking to help themselves change their lives, something's going wrong in their life, and they're looking to astrology or listening to this podcast, and they. And they just are looking for guidance. You've said that you cannot remove personal responsibility, but what is the advice to somebody who is struggling and looking for wisdom in astrology, Kabbalah, with your content? Anything else? Where do they go? Who do they listen to? Where do they start?

I try to share content in my stories. And also I have two channels on Instagram where I leave, like, voice. I love voice notes. So I think that's one of the things that I love the most about that platform. If they. They're following me, follow me on Instagram because that's. If I'm gonna share, that's where I share the most. The channels allow me, like, to leave voice notes, and I always leave voice notes that are not related to astrology are more like reflections of the day. And a lot of people tell me, like, this reflection of the day, like, has helped me a lot, helped me see, saw things something in a different way. So I would start there, just, like, looking at the stories in the stories. I always start the day with, like, what the moon is doing, not telling you what to do, like, how the vibe is. And then I share inspirational things that motivate you to, like, take a step forward. Take a step forward. I know that the membership is not for everyone, not everybody wants to study astrology. But I do believe like the voice notes, the stories. I also share a lot of posts with. You're not gonna realize that is astrology or Kabbalah, but it is related. For example, yesterday I spoke in a post about collaboration, like the importance of collaborating with other people because we're in Libra season and Libra is to collaborate. So as I told you, astrology is like this umbrella and I'm teaching you about it sometimes without even you knowing that it's happening.

But you know where the wisdom's coming from and this is how you should interpret exactly.

Like I'm trying. I always, I ask myself what do I want people to feel when they enter into any of my pages? And I want people to feel inspired, to feel energy and to feel like I want to like seize the day like that way. So I always try to share stuff like that. Not with unicorns and candy candy, but like with a realistic approach, like an everyday approach. Simple things. But I'm very aware of how I want people to feel. So start there, starting the story. Start simple. Start reading to see if it resonates with you. If it doesn't resonate with you, doesn't matter, it's all good. I have a lot of people that day to day question me like, astrology is not a science, it doesn't work. And I don't fight with anybody. I feel like everybody should take what serves for them in the moment and if, if it sparks something, they'll continue. But I don't believe in forcing or improving anything. Like trying to prove something to somebody. No, I don't believe in that.

And if people want to use it as a tool, not again to remove responsibility, but to better understand themselves, they'll start to consume your content. But what is the actual place where you can actually start to learn who you are?

Membership. That is like in the membership right now I give classes three times per week and it's gonna help you. Like if you're really basic, intermediate or advanced, you're gonna find something for you. It's not only going to teach you to understand your chart, but also understand the language of astrology. Also every Monday I give this class that is not about astrology, but about mindset, like how your brain works, how to change your mindset, how to like be aware of your self concept, like catching your, your bias or the things that you don't see. And we're like growing into this. I don't believe I love astrology, but I believe that it needs to work with other tools that make people take responsibility. Because when you first encounter astrology, you're talking about planets that are out there and sometimes you believe that the fault is in the stars. So with either Kabbalah mindset, I give people other tools to say, hey, I'm here, so this is what we're doing this week, or this is what. And I do have continuity. For example, this Monday goes with next Monday. So you're like growing step by step by step. So I do feel like there's like, I'm accountable for these people. So I keep like developing the tools one by one will tell you where to start, how to go step by step in the membership. If you're new to it and people love it, like people feel like they understand everything sometimes. Yes. It's like, oh, I'm behind in classes. Like, this class was one hour. Some people love long classes, other people go slower. I do understand that. That's why I do believe, if you really want to get to know yourself, if you really want to have a pause in your life, like, okay, I'm going to take this class. 30 minutes for me is an excellent tool. It's like an amazing way to start. My goal is for you to listen to yourself, like, have that moment. Some people do it in yoga, some people do it in other things. Yesterday one of the students told me, like, you have no idea. Like just listening to you. Sometimes I'm listening to you and I'm not doing like reaching my chart or checking my chart, but just taking a pause and listening to you is like the moment that I have with myself. So whatever helps, girl. Whatever helps.

I love it. Last thing I always like to ask, if you've learned so much over your life and now you teach a whole bunch of different topics to your, to your students and your community. But if you had to pick one idea that was one of the more impactful ideas, it's really helped shape your life. You could be teaching it to your 20 year old self, your younger self. You could be. It could be a lesson that you'd want to pass on to the next generation. Just something that really stands out. What would that lesson be and why?

I'm taking this question as if I have to say something to my younger self. And I would say that you create your own destiny. Like for me to believe that there are trends, energetic trends, not like fashion trends, like to believe that there are energetic trends, do you believe that for sure? There's things that we came to experience in this life but that I have the freedom to choose. How am I gonna transit these situations. I think that has been my biggest learning to feel like that I have a choice that I'm not in just that this little box and everything is written and I'm just condemned to have certain life. You know, I do believe we have, like, I came to meet this. This person and I came to do this and that. But you can always choose how. You know what I mean? Like, the how is up to you.