Billy Murphy: Skipping The 9 to 5 To Become Forever Jobless

Oh, hey, everybody. Do you know what you're listening to? It's called Freedom Fast Lane. And I happen to be Ryan Daniel Moran. Thanks so much for tuning in. Hey, today I've got a really special treat for you. We're gonna be hanging out with Billy Murphy. Now, Billy has been causing all kinds of noise and destruction in the itunes store here. He just launched a podcast and has surged way up the charts like a maniac. It's really been me angry. But Billy also happens to be my next door neighbor. We live in the same building here in Austin, Texas. And I asked Billy to come in and talk about his concept of being forever jobless. That's the name of his podcast. And he also has this philosophy of the fact that you can be successful without a job. And I happen to agree with him. So I asked Billy to come in and to share his story and to talk about some of the tips and strategies that he has for the everyday person on their road to success. So in this podcast, Billy talks about getting started as an entrepreneur and he also talks a little bit about investing your profits into cash flowing places that will allow you to quit your job as well. We also talk about how to take what's working for you in your job and turn it into a business. This is a good one. You'll really enjoy this chat with Billy Murphy of Forever Jobless.

Hey, everybody. Ryan Daniel Moran here. And today we're joined by a good friend of mine. He's a fellow podcaster who is kicking my butt in the itunes rankings. He's got one of the top podcasts on itunes called Forever jobless and he just happens to be my next door neighbor. So we're joined by Billy Murphy. Bill, thanks so much for hanging out with us.

Yeah, man, thanks for having me on.

Hey, so you have been scorching up the itunes rankings here. I'd be actually curious, what do you think it has been that has resonated so well with the audience? You have this idea of being forever jobless, which obviously I resonate because I think the 9 to 5 is a dinosaur and it's going away. But what do you think it is about your message that has been so popular right now?

I think the biggest thing, obviously I love entrepreneurship and I saw a lot of podcasts kind of having a similar show. I mean, there's probably 50 to 100 new entrepreneur podcasts each month, but they had the same format, the same style, a lot of them did, probably 80, 90% of them. And so when I went into it, I went into it as if it was a business project and basically looked at where I could fill a gap in the market that wasn't there. So I basically made a lot of my shows are very, very short, maybe five to ten minute clips. Very few of them are interviews. It's mostly just me kind of talking about different concepts, different ideas, different strategies that I use and I didn't really see many people doing that. So I just thought it was, I guess, a way to stand out in all the podcasts that are out there.

Billy, we're about the same age and we've had a pretty similar story in the fact that both Forever Jobless. But I'd like for you to take a minute and share your story with my audience and how you've been able to stay without a 9 to 5 throughout your entire life.

Sure. So when I got out of college or shortly after college, I started playing poker professionally. I played in college kind of part time as a side project and got pretty good in college. Got a job for a little bit after college and just it wasn't for me at all. So I went full time. I mean you can, I'm sure you can relate.

So, you know, I knew I was pretty good at poker, but I didn't know how good. I'd never given it, you know, a full time attention because I'd always been in college. And so I said okay, if I'm ever going to give it a shot, now is the time. So I guess I was probably 23 and started playing professionally. First month I didn't make any money. I hadn't played in a while. I was rusty basically just kind of had a four to six month gap where I barely played and so I hired a coach. The second month I made $17,000 and then just kind of kept going from there. I did the poker thing for probably about four years full time and then I launched a poker training company in 2009 and then from that point just kind of kept getting involved in different projects. In 2011, started probably about 15 to 20 different e commerce stores, just really small niche dropship stores and kind of treated it more like a, more like a little fund. So I outsourced 100% of it from the beginning. Had people just kind of putting up sites and or buying sites and did that for I guess a couple years. Sold off most of them last year and then started Forever Jobless. I guess it was maybe a year and a half ago. Started Forever Jobless and just doing the blog and I guess most recently the podcast and Then I've also started investing and advising in just really small online companies.

You know, I talk a lot about the strategies that I recommend for becoming financially free. And it starts with building up an income stream that is not tied to your 9 to 5. The second step is investing that cash into a business or another piece of cash flowing asset. And you did that with poker as the main source of cash flow and then investing that into other businesses. So to the kids of America, you don't need a 9 to 5, you can just gamble and get rich. Billy, you know, there are so many ways to make money. There are so many ways to make a million dollars even. And you had your success from playing poker and investing that into other assets. But I still continue to hear so many people say, how do I get started? How do I actually get that first thing that is going to produce cash flow? How do you answer that question when people ask you, how do I go forever jobless?

Yeah, it's hard because you mentioned it is. There's so many different ways to make money. I feel like a lot of newer entrepreneurs just get distracted because you can make money playing poker, you can make money day trading, you can make money in real estate, you can make money online. So it's like there's so many options. And I think people, newer entrepreneurs struggle with the fact that number one, they don't know a lot yet. So for example, you or I might give specific advice on something they could do where they don't really see the whole picture because they haven't really been in the game. And so they're just kind of hearing it from an outsider perspective, almost as if you read a book and a lot of the theories make sense, but unless you're actually in the game playing.

It doesn't. From a wantrepreneur perspective, somebody who hasn't done it yet, it's tough to imagine kind of being in the situation and knowing the full picture. And so I think, I mean, there's that whole argument profit versus passion, right? Like should you go into something to make money or should you go into something you're passionate about? I really feel like it's easier to make money if you're really passionate about something. However, the actual process of being involved in a certain business, you can be passionate about the actual, I guess, business and the startup phase rather than the product itself. But either way, I feel like people shouldn't chase the money. And I know that's not, you know, people listening might think that's not really, it doesn't Help them. It's not super actionable, but the thing is, they're going to. I think most people spin their wheels for such a long time because they're just trying to chase the money. And if they just found something they actually wanted to work on and just gave that a 100% effort, I think people would be way more successful. And the second part of that being that they should just find someone who's already doing exactly what they want to do and just listen to that person follow them, because they've basically already done it and laid out the framework. And I think a lot of people are trying to listen to 20 different people who have 20 different ideas, and some of them know what they're talking about and some of them don't. And so they'll just spend years and years and years just spinning their wheels and just kind of going a little bit of this direction, a little bit of that direction. And it's really hard to get somewhere if you're not focused.

Yeah, I understand, and I agree that passion is a great place to start, because if you're passionate about something, chances are there's a market for it, because a lot of other people are passionate about it. But at the same time, I think you can become passionate about a business that you're starting. I have a yoga products company. We live next door to a yoga studio, and I've never been to it, although I've done yoga. I sometimes do yoga. I like yoga, but I don't wake up in the morning passionate about yoga. But I am passionate about that business. I love everything about that business. And maybe that's just how people like me are wired, where you're just passionate about business. But I do think passions can give you insight. But still, I think you can become passionate about a business that you're in when people are first starting out.

You have a lot of people who come to you and are first starting out and like this idea of being forever jobless. Where do you tell them to look? Where do you tell them to start thinking? Where do you start telling them? Who do you start telling them to get around? And in order to start getting to think in this entrepreneurial mindset of expansion and growing your income, apart from a 9 to 5, where do you tell people to start with that?

I think the biggest thing, obviously just doing simple things, like listening to a podcast, reading books, reading blogs from people who are, I guess, further ahead than they are. They talk about you, are the five people that you spend your most time with. But I think there's some flaws in the way most people interpret and execute that. Right. So they have a lot of people surround themselves with friends that also want to be successful, but they aren't there yet.

I think some people don't put themselves in situations to learn from people enough, whether it be going to conferences, whether it be getting a coach or a mentor, things like that. I think the biggest thing is just whatever industry someone's in, whether it's they want to go into real estate, they should find someone who's already done a lot of successful deals and just mentor under them. If I could go back in time, I probably would have gone and just worked for free for someone rather than getting a job or rather than going to college, just go work for free for people who have already built large businesses. And I would have just worked for free.

And just immersed myself in their environment. I would have learned a lot more than just kind of. I had friends who always wanted to be successful, but it's different because none of us had actually been there before.

What do you say to the people who say, bill, that's great for you. You're young, you're single, you get to travel the world. I'm married, I'm twice your age, and I've got two kids and I need my nine to five job? The idea of going forever jobless.

Isn'T possible for me. What do you say to that person?

I think that's totally fine. I think using something that generates income for businesses or investments is perfect. I think a 9 to 5 for some people is that resource for poker for me.

Was an income generator. Like, I never planned on being, you know, a poker player till I was old. I always played poker because it was a fun and easy way to generate a lot of capital to allow my, you know, my businesses to take off my real estate investments. It allowed me capital to do anything I wanted to do. And so I think, you know, people shouldn't quit their nine to fives too early if they don't have anything they're working on yet. I think there's, you know, there's pros and cons. Obviously, if you can go all in earlier on a business, you have a higher percent chance of making it happen quickly. However, just using the money and just pouring it into business and testing stuff out is a fine way to go. I don't think people need to leave their nine to five until they have some business or some income coming in from their business on the side. If I was them, I'd just be testing ideas at Night on weekends, and basically just seeing what people want. I mean, it's a little slower process because you have five days that you're. You're working where, you know, most entrepreneurs are just working, you know, five to seven days on their business. But I don't think people need to quit.

You know, that I've heard seen this big trend happening right now where people who are in nine to five jobs are starting to realize that they're producing immense amount of value within their job for the one client that they have their boss realizing that if they cut out all the noise, like meetings and mounds of email, that they could actually go out and get other. I'm doing quotations with my fingers right now, other clients. And I've seen people actually take their nine to five jobs and turn them into businesses just by fulfilling that one need and creating that into a business. For example, my old personal trainer who listens to the show, hello, Nathaniel, he was a personal trainer for a gym and was getting paid to sell memberships and was getting paid to be involved in the training process with people. And he said, well, this is kind of ridiculous. Why don't I just take on personal clients myself? I'll go to their homes and train them. And after a while, it's so much clientele, he hired another trainer and another trainer. Another trainer has this business that is growing year over year, taking his job and turning it into a business. And I always tell people that that exists in most industries. Most people have the ability to create a lot of value in their job and if they were to take on that as a business, that it's a form of entrepreneurship. We're all entrepreneurs. It's just a matter of how many people are paying us for that work.

Right.

Bill?

I think that the 9 to 5 is a dinosaur and that we're all going to end up being forever jobless. Do you agree with that assessment?

Yeah, I think there's always going to be some jobs that people will have, but I guess the trend is definitely going away from jobs. It doesn't make a lot of financial sense to have a job.

Why do you say that it doesn't make sense to have a job?

Well, I mean, people, they're basically asking to have, number one, their income capped. If you're in a job, your employer dictates exactly how much money you make. Where, like you said, if you just switch the situation where you were just contracting out your work to that business.

You dictate how much you can make because you can go to that client, you can go to another client.

The second thing is they control everything. So at any point they could fire you and hire someone else. It's just there's not a lot of upside with a job that you wouldn't have the same, if not more upside if you just ran the business yourself. If you ran yourself like a business instead of a job, like you said, I mean, it's not, there's no benefits. People are like, yeah, but they give me health insurance, they give me dental. It's kind of weird to hear people say these things. These are not overly expensive things. If you just went out and, you know, head of business. I mean, these are things that don't cost a lot of money. It's obviously potentially different if you have a huge family already and all that, but for most people it's, you know, getting insurance or something is. Maybe you're tacking on a couple thousand dollars a year, but it's like, well, the job would take way more of that from you. In terms of income potential.

Yeah, you mentioned that our incomes are capped when we're working a 9 to 5. There's actually one of the writings of Karl Marx and I'm all about freedom. So this is a little bit surprising that I'm quoting Karl Marx. But the reason why Karl Marx didn't believe in capitalism at that time was because he said that there was an inverse relationship between the amount that employees got paid and the value that they created. If they were really getting paid their real value, then they wouldn't be employed at a company that was making more. Now, I obviously disagree with that assessment, but it, it raises the question of what is your real value? What is your real earning potential? And you discover that not in a socialist society, like Karl Marx would say, but you discover that by being an entrepreneur. You, you discover what your real earning potential is, where the cap on your income gets raised when you leave the workforce and you start having value based pay, which happens in the marketplace, which happens in entrepreneurship.

Yeah, absolutely. I always tell people, if someone is hiring you for a job, the only reason they're hiring you is because they're making money off of you. So if you just essentially to some degree cut out the minimum and like you said, there's nothing, it doesn't work exactly like that all the time. But if you just did it for yourself, then you're making all the money off of yourself rather than somebody else. And obviously some companies are going to have leverage. They have bigger platforms to enable the value of you to be higher to them than it would be to yourself. But at the same time it's like the only reason a company's hiring you is because they can make money off of you.

Bill, you mentioned before that you invest in some things and that people, even if they have nine to five jobs, can start to invest in things that produce income that aren't required for them to show up to do. And I agree with that assessment. I'm curious, what are the things that you're investing in? I know you invest in some private businesses, but talk a little bit about that.

Yeah, so this is just kind of a test at this point. Right now I only have two active ones and looking at a couple other ones, but basically I'm trying to invest in things that basically seem uninvestable. So small e commerce businesses online.

One of the companies I invested in was a design company. A lot of these companies are not companies that these aren't going to be multi, multimillion dollar companies. But a lot of these are run by young kids who don't have capital, don't have network and just don't have a lot of experience doing this. Where with a little capital infusion, a little advice and a couple connections could help them grow their business a lot quicker.

I felt like there was kind of a gap in the market where these businesses that maybe make a couple grand a month, no one wants to invest in that because it doesn't have any huge potential to be a home run. However, that's like the unfilled gap in the market is a lot of these are really easy to take from a couple thousand a month to 10 or 20,000amonth.

This is actually interesting to me, so I'd like for you to clarify a little bit of what you said of, of them not being investable, but with a little bit of capital they can grow. Would you explain a bit why even businesses that are cash flowing don't have investability according to most people's standards, but yet you're still able to go in there and change the business. Would you clarify that?

Yeah. So when I say uninvestable, most people think of VCs and angels and all this. And these small businesses are not attractive to them. And part of the reason is number one, they're too small. So in other words, if somebody has a million dollars to invest, they'd have to go invest in hundreds or thousands of these to basically be able to disperse their money and get the returns they want. And it's just not an efficient way to do it because it's too much to manage. The other thing is a lot of these businesses are.

I guess the easiest way to describe it is.

Most of them are technically worthless or close to worthless without the person operating it because it's so small. So in other words, if a business is making like $2,000 a month and it's run by one person, and yeah, you could sell it, you know, you could go sell that on Flippa, but it's not something that someone wants to invest in because the business itself is not worth a lot of money. So a lot of times I'm investing strictly on the hustle of the entrepreneur behind the business at a very, very small stage for a business that doesn't have a very high ceiling. And so the problem with that from an investment standpoint is if the entrepreneur takes on a second project or.

The business just doesn't work out, you're basically investing 100% on the hustle. The business doesn't actually have a huge asset value.

Obviously. The problem with that is it's not.

There'S not some home run potential too. So a lot of people invest on. They know nine out of 10 are going to fail, but one of them will hit it out of the park. Well, the things I'm investing in, none are technically going to hit it out of the park. They don't really have that potential. However, because of the fact that no one else is involved in investing in these, you can get a higher expected value from your percentage because of the fact that you'll get a higher equity piece than you would have if you had 10 people competing against you for the same company.

Want to stay on this point because I think you bring up an interesting perspective for that guy who is twice our age, works a job and has a family, that there are ways that you can get into business without you having to leave your job and hopefully that turns into more of a full time income. But I'm curious, you're saying what the problems are with these small businesses that you're investing into. What is, what is the attraction for you if they're small and they look worthless and they're not making all that much money? Why are you attracted to invest in those types of businesses?

I think for me part of it's the challenge. I think the fact that no one's really doing this is kind of attractive to me if I can figure it out. That's the thing with a lot of these. It's harder to do it this way because of the fact that I'm kind of needing to solve all These little things. So for each business that I'm investing in, doing a different type of contract structure and all this that isn't. It would be a lot easier if someone had already done it and laid it out for me and I just followed the same process. However, the upside for me is a lot higher because of the fact that no one's doing it. So in other words, if I go into a business now that's, let's say, making a couple thousand dollars a month, if hundreds of people were doing this type of investing and a deal came up, well, I would have all sorts of people bidding the price down. So for example, when people watch Shark Tank on the show, I'm sure so on Shark Tank, there's five sharks. And sometimes if they get a business everybody likes, they bid the price down. So somebody would have got it for a 40% stake in the company. But instead, if Mark Cuban was interested and Barbara was interested, all of a sudden the price goes down. Somebody settles on 15% because of the fact that they had bidders against them. Well, technically, with what I'm doing right now, I never have a bidder against me.

And part of that is, number one, I'm probably the only people, only person approaching these people about investing in their business. But number two, like I said, there's just not, there's not many people with capital who would understand two things, I guess, one, how to help these people past just a money perspective, and two, how to find those people. And so in other words, a lot of people have money. They could invest in these type of businesses. But.

Somebody who retired and has all sorts of retirement money to invest their money is not going to be smart money to invest in an online business venture, for example.

I feel like.

This is the spot where I have an edge. If I went to Silicon Valley and tried to invest there, I don't have any sort of edge. I'd just be gambling. If I tried to become an angel investor in the tech companies in Silicon Valley, I wouldn't have any idea what I'm doing relative to the investors out there. But in this type of space, in the small niche business space, I felt like this is one area where I would have an edge and two, where it was just nobody else is doing it, so I figured I'd try it. Worst case scenario, my downside is pretty limited.

So I can't really lose that bad on the deals. And. But if it works, then my upside is pretty high because I could just keep doing these deals over and over and over. And so what Makes it attractive to me is it's not like I'll just do one deal or two deals if it works. If it doesn't work, I'll just do these couple of deals and that'll be it. But if it does work, there's nothing stopping me from going to do 10 of these deals or 20 of these deals. Where if I'm making a few grand a month off 20 deals or 30 deals or however many as a passive business because someone else is operating it, that'd be a pretty awesome scenario to be in.

Yeah. I think one of the best investments you can make is in a small business, in a market or a niche that you're very familiar with so that you can actually provide value to that business and help it grow because you turn around your ROI on that money very quickly. That's one of the reasons why on Shark Tank they know that some of the people who are bidding to invest in that business have expertise in retail or expertise on the Internet or whatever it is. They can immediately provide value for that business and they know that their investment is going to be returned very quickly. You and I can do that with Internet companies. And I do the exact same thing that you do with investing in a person who's going to hustle and build that business. But I think that anybody with, no matter how old they are, if they have a 9 to 5 job or what they have industries that they're familiar with that they could provide value to and serve as the entrepreneur or the capitalist that kickstarts that business and also serves as the advisor to help that business grow. That is a great kind of alternate way to start building up massive cash flow without going to a 9 to 5 job. Even if you don't currently consider yourself an entrepreneur.

Yeah. And I feel like a lot of people, a lot of newer people who say I don't have money to start a business. If somebody can solve something, the money is out there. There's. It's easy to get money. If you have an idea that's solved in terms of people need it and you know how to execute on it, it's never going to be hard to get money. You just have to approach the right person, approach anyone in that space. Right. Like if someone wanted to go into supplements and they had an unbelievable idea of how to market it, everything they could go to you and their problem would be solved. I think people over complicate the money aspect of it because the money's there if. If the business is already solved.

Bill, what do you think are some of the biggest mistakes that you see entrepreneurs making when they're first starting out?

I think probably the biggest thing is people try to diversify. I think they hear it and it sounds cool, and they try to do it. But what happens a lot of times is people don't understand how to make one successful business, and they'll do 10 unsuccessful businesses, and they'll tell people they're diversifying.

They don't understand. I think it makes sense to learn the process, learn exactly how to start a business, how to market it, and do it all the way through. And even if you fail, you'll have a much better idea how to do it. But a lot of people try and do 10 different things at one time, and you can really never get deep enough into the process to learn to the level you need to learn to be successful. I think people here. I think people hear all the time about diversification, how it's a good idea. Diversification is a great idea once you have a lot of money and you don't want to risk losing the money if your goal is to keep the money, but to diversify. When a new entrepreneur starts out and they have a thousand bucks and they're trying to diversify, what exactly are you trying to diversify? Doesn't make any sense.

I agree 100%. Diversification is what comes after you have.

Gotten to the level that you want to be at. That's how you protect and you grow wealth. But the way that you earn cash to start is by building that business that creates that income that is not dependent on your time. I agree 100%.

Yeah, exactly. I think people are confused. I talk all the time about ev expected value in the beginning. As an aspiring entrepreneur, people need to be concerned with expected value. Where is the highest expected value you could be putting your time and energy into and time and money. And people are doing the opposite. They're trying to diversify, which is essentially like the most negative expected value way you could approach it, where if people just took risks, right? Like, let's say somebody has, you know, $10,000, right? And the way most people would treat that $10,000 is, number one, they'd either diversify, or number two, they would never play the game. They would say, I have $10,000. I want to keep it. I don't want to lose it. However, let's say that person's goal is to make a million dollars. Well, if they play the game trying not to lose the $10,000, they're basically guaranteed to lose when it comes to reaching their goal. I always say it's risky not taking risks. It's because of the fact that a lot of people try to play the game safe. And by playing it safe, they're actually playing it risky because they can't actually attain their goals playing with the strategy that they use. And I'm always. It always just. It doesn't make any sense to me. When new entrepreneurs start out and they're like, okay, I gotta play it super safe. I can't take any risks, they're basically guaranteeing themselves that they'll never, ever reach their goal.

I agree 100%. I had a philosophy teacher who was probably the oldest man I ever saw in my life. He had to be in his early thousands. And he actually gave us a talk at the last day of philosophy class in college, and he said, I'll never forget this. He said, without risk, a life is not worth living. And at the same time, I say we can never achieve what we want if we don't take risk. So I totally agree. Bill, what type of trends do you see the marketplace going towards when people are starting to have a business? As far as the entrepreneur sector of the world goes, what trends do you see coming that people should be aware of? So as they're looking for new opportunities, they should be in tune to those trends that are coming soon?

I mean, I know I can talk on one that I see right now. For example, anything new that comes up, there's like a million different business opportunities off. Anything new is happening. For example, podcasting. Right. So podcasting isn't necessarily new, but it's new in terms of it's going more mainstream right now.

And I feel like there's so many business ideas People could be launching off podcasting. There's podcast editing companies that could be launched.

The easiest business to create for you is just solve your own need. I feel like just launching the podcast for myself, it's just a totally new area for me. There's probably like three to five different businesses that I could have launched out of podcasting, just because a lot of people, you know, it's newer, it's going more mainstream, and there's just not a lot of people doing stuff there yet. And so I think the easiest way to spot trends is basically just spot areas where you're noticing a problem for whatever you're trying to do or whatever you want. And if you do a little bit of due diligence, you can figure out if there's a lot of other people like you. And if there is Then just, you know, calculate. Okay. Does this opportunity, would this make enough money for me to be happy with this being enough money for a business for me to start? And if people answer yes to that, they should just go all in on it?

Yeah. So you're saying, look at where things are hot, but don't look directly at what other people are looking at. Look at what services and products and goods people within that space are also going to need and want and service those. For example, there's people who have podcast booking services and they charge clients monthly fees to get them on shows, and there's podcast editing services. Right now, you know, I have several Amazon businesses and there's this huge surge of people going into Amazon, and I think some of the really smart people are developing Amazon software and they're, they're investing in Amazon businesses like you and I have talked about, and they're looking at kind of other ways to capitalize on this trend without going in and starting the exact type of business that everybody else is doing. So is that what you're saying? Just look at what is hot, but also look at what's on the outside of where everybody else is looking. Look at what goods and services people are going to want as a result of that trend building.

You know, I like to, you know, personally, it's a lot easier to get into things where there's no one doing it yet. So your idea that, hey, you know, Amazon, you know, is getting more popular, people wanting launch products, so people are looking proactively and trying to create services for what people will need. So that's probably a space that maybe there's not a ton of Amazon services offered yet and software. But however, since they see all the people going that route, they know they're going to need it. They know they would want it. And it's probably easy for you to see as an Amazon user, hey, it'd be great if this was out there. And so for someone like you who's in the game, it's a lot easier to see in the future what type of businesses will be successful that aren't there yet. I think a lot of people, maybe someone is in knitting. I don't know anything about knitting, but maybe someone's in there. Like, I wish someone had this, or I wish they're starting to make this. I wish this is going to happen. They can probably see. If you or I looked into it, we wouldn't have any idea where it's going or what the unfulfilled needs are in the niche. But somebody Else in that space probably sees all sorts of businesses, but they just don't think in terms of. A lot of people don't see themselves in terms of an entrepreneur yet. But as soon as you find a need that can be filled and you can fill it, I think a lot of people just need to fill it. And they'll realize that, like, holy crap, it's not that hard to be an entrepreneur. Just solve what I know is needed.

Bill, you have had incredible success in the itunes store. Your podcast has been surging up and has become very popular, even though it's brand new. So I'd like for you to take a couple minutes to talk about the Forever Jobless podcast and the Forever Jobless blog.

Yeah. So basically my whole, I guess my whole goal with Forever Jobless, when I started the blog, it was just to share stories where just my own successes and failures and just talk about a lot of theories that I found a lot of people doing wrong that I felt I could just kind of clarify and make a little bit easier for people to understand why they should be doing things a different way. And then obviously, the podcast is just an expansion of it. It was a little easier to. To put out a lot more content audio than writing. It was taking me forever to write. So basically, I launched the Forever Jobless podcast just last month in April and just wanted to basically share stories, just talk about different business ideas, different business concepts. And I wish I would have had things like that when I was starting. I mean, at the time when I was starting as an entrepreneur, I had no idea what to do. And so my goal with Forever Jobless is just make it a lot easier for people to kind of have a little bit of a blueprint to follow on how to become an entrepreneur and how to become Forever Jobless.

Well, Bill, I appreciate you spreading the message of freedom. Congratulations on the success of the podcast. You can find it on itunes under the name Forever jobless or@foreverjobless.com Billy Murphy, thanks so much for hanging out with us at Freedom Fast Lane.

Yeah, thanks a lot for having me on.

I really love what Billy had to say about investing into small businesses that are just getting started that he deems uninvestable. I thought that was a really cool way that somebody who is even working a job could invest in a business and start to be an entrepreneur without having a whole lot of skin in the game and without having to walk away from what they're currently focused on. That would be a really cool transition point. That was my favorite part of today's podcast. Hey, if you liked this, you know we are just scorching up the itunes chart and it really helps us rank if you go and subscribe and leave a review and tell everybody how much you love the podcast. Here at Freedom Fast Lane, we've been showing up in the what's Hot section all over itunes, and we'd like to keep that momentum going. So if you'd leave a review, it would really mean a lot to me. Hey, you can also find the show notes over@freefreedomfastlane.com and you can leave a comment with your thoughts on what you thought of today's show there. Thank you so much for listening and I'll see you at the next show.