Kamal Ravikant: Overcoming Adversity in the Face of Failure

Hey everybody, Ryan Daniel Moran here and this is Freedom Fast Lane. Today I'm really excited to be presenting to you Kamal Ravikant. Kamal is one of the go to guys in Silicon Valley. Companies all throughout the valley go to Kamal to help them with their new tech startup. Kamal has been incredibly successful and has his hands in a lot of very successful tech startups and he's very well connected out in Silicon Valley. But today we're not here to talk about launching a new app. We're not here to talk about building a new tech startup. See, Kamal a few years ago was extremely successful, but he found that he wasn't happy and that set a new journey in Kamal's life. And today, although he is still an advisor in lots of companies out in the Valley, he's also the best selling author of Love yourself like your life depends on it and live your truth. So I asked Kamal to come on and talk about his journey of being busy and stressed out to discovering how abundant life can be. If you've ever found yourself stressed out about work or not quite living what you think your purpose should be, then you'll really resonate with Kamal's story. I think you'll really enjoy today's chat with Kamal Ravikant.

Hey everybody. Ryan Daniel Moran here from free Freedom Fastlane. And today I'm joined by Kamal Ravikant. He's a best selling author, he is a venture capitalist and a good friend of mine. Kamal, thanks for hanging out with us at Freedom Fastlane.

Thanks for having me, Ryan. Happy to be here.

Well, Kamal, you have inspired a lot of people doing something that you thought was gonna make you the laughingstock of your industry. You told a very honest story in your number one bestseller, Love yourself like your life depends on it. And I would like for you to first of all share the story about that book and then we'll go into your personal story and why that's impacted so many people.

Okay. The book itself I published in summer of 2012 and mainly because I was sharing something that had worked for me, that I transformed my life around. When I hit rock bottom, which was working on myself, I worked on myself from the inside out and it was really helping my friends and they were just hammering me to write it down. So I wrote it down.

And they were hammering me to publish it, to share with others. And I wrote it down and I published it self published on Amazon, very shyly not telling anyone about it except a few close friends.

Basically so that I could just give it to them and be done with it and I was honestly terrified writing it and putting it out. In fact, even in the book I talk about how scared I am because in Silicon Valley a couple years ago no one talks about, we talk about. You always hear about the success of the Facebook, the Twitters, the dropboxes. Everybody thinks they're going to come here. It's the modern day gold rush. The dirty little secret. Most startups fail, like 90 something percent of them fail and people burn out. We are very highly driven, slightly insane people and that results in a lot of burnouts and crashes and no one talks about it. And I crashed really hard. And when I read the books about how I basically crashed and got out of it, how anyone can basically replicate what I did. So I put this book out.

And within five weeks it was the number one self help book on Amazon. People started blog posting about it. James Alster did a blog post that launched it. Tim Ferriss tweeted about it. People just started like the book went viral, you know, like you. And it was like all over the web people are tweeting and facebooking and, and so imagine like five weeks later after writing this, I just get up and I check my Amazon stats and it's like books, self help number one, love yourself like your life depends on. Blew my mind, changed my life. I really, I mean I really like was terrified that I would be like, you know, I'd be a laughingstock here. I would be afraid to go to conferences here. You know, people know this little book I wrote and you know, like who talks about loving yourself in any industry for that matter? You?

Yeah, well, most people talk about the ascension to the top. Most people talk about the great success stories. And I think that's why we are slightly crazy people. It's because we hear the great success story. Most of the startups think that they have the potential to be the next Dropbox or the next Facebook. And here you come out with the story of losing it all and what you did then. And I really think that that's why it's made such a so much noise, is that so many people experienced that yet nobody was talking about that experience that you went through.

Yeah, it's interesting man. Like I'll run into, I'll go to events or parties and I'll run into like well named, well known CEOs, you know. And you know, like I remember one dinner I was at this guy at private dinner I was at, this guy like leans over to me, he's a CEO of a very successful company and he pulls iPad out and on this iPad is open is my book. And he's like, you know, this really helped me. But you'll never hear him say it publicly.

Just showed it to me very privately and I was like, dude, that's awesome. Thank you for buying it. You paid for my coffee this morning.

I mean it means a lot, but it's very funny. Like the kind of people that will come out, come up to me and say like, you know, that they've read the book and it helped them. But actually even more importantly is like the emails I get, the reviews I read, you know, like, it's like they're using people. Like suicide prevention groups are using this, psychologists are using it with their patients. It's, it's, you know, and what all it is is just, just telling your truth, you know, that's all it is. Like listen here, you know, here's how I felt, here's how I got up. It's a step by step how you can replicate it because I'm just, you know, I'm just a human being like anybody else, just figuring my own game out.

Well, Kamal, why don't you share that story about, about going to the bottom and how you did get back up on top?

Yeah, you know, I've been in Silicon Valley since the first dot com boom. So I've been part of some pretty interesting stuff here fortunately. And.

My last company that I built, I actually went all in on it and I self funded it for a couple of years, built it up and that took investors money when I was running out of money to really for growth capital because it was starting to do very well and it blew up. And in the process it was not as slow. I mean it was actually like it was immensely painful from every angle. And in the process I kind of burnt out with it. I've been working, I think at that time like three years nonstop. I didn't take any vacations, in fact I took a Sunday off. It was like once every few months, right. And I got insanely sick and doctors were throwing a weird diagnosis and I was doing all these tasks and go check out my hair fell out. You know, if you know me, I have long hair. You know, I mean it was like really weird. My whole body was just shutting systems down and.

And I was just, you know, like my relationships fell apart. Like I was just miserable, like depressed was a good day, you know, like I would have like paid money to be depressed. And I was bedridden. I was in my apartment that wasn't coming out. I Was shades pole, you know, just miserable hating life. Until one morning I just, I think one day I just got up and I was like, I can't do this. I just can't do this anymore. Like, I mean, I get to get out of it or die trying. Like, that's it. I'm done. And so I like staggered over to my desk where I'm sitting right now. I would add a journal. And I just wrote that, sat down and wrote down a vow to myself. And it was a vow to love myself. And it was like a full on. Like just in that moment, it came from nowhere. Like, I remember writing on my desk and I wrote so hard, I think I left gashes on my desk through the paper. Just, I'm done and I'm gonna love myself. And I don't know why I came up with loving myself of all the things, right? But it just came from. From within who. You know, And I remember sitting back when it was done and that, okay, that was interesting. How do I love myself? Because. Because I'd made a vow. And a vow is a very special thing. You know, when you make a vow to yourself, it's beyond a commitment. It's. It's. A vow is like to yourself is the purest thing you can do. I had to do it. So I just sat around and I started reading and started figuring things out, started trying things, meditation, so forth. And what worked? I have a background clinical research. I just ran clinical trials in my head. What worked, I continued down. What didn't, I threw it away. And I came up with this daily practice that I did. And interesting enough what happened was I started getting better really quickly and I started getting, like, my state of mind got much better, which, you know, you read enough studies about this makes sense. But what really blew my mind was my life got better. Like all these situations and circumstances happened that like, I had no control over. And the only thing I was doing was I was sitting here. It is a consistent practice, loving myself. And, and so like, when I. When, you know, when I came out of it, you know, that's what I basically write in the book. And.

You know, I left a lot of details out in the book about, you know, like, because I don't want the book to be about my experience per se. I want. Because it's very, you know, whether you have cancer, this or whatever, you're still a human being. You still have a human body, and you still have the human, you know, the brain and the spirit, same spirit. And, you know, all that stuff Applies to. If it applies to me, it applies to anyone.

Okay, Kamal, you crazy hippie who sits there loving himself.

All right.

That'S the logical brain that comes up, right? Okay, great. Kamal loves himself. How does that impact me? I want to point out, you know, I'm a very driven person. I've gone through the very bottom, which, you know, I didn't know if I was going to make it, Kamal. And you've experienced that, too. And my experience was I hit that threshold, that pain threshold of I cannot do XYZ one more day, or I would rather be dead than spend my life doing this. And it was at that point that I started, for me, it was more making decisions that were more based in happiness than based in whatever other benefit I thought I wanted. And as a result, I got those. Those other extra things too. It was kind of, you know, seek ye first, and all these other things will. Will be added to you as well. And something that you said in your book that really resonated with me, which was, if you really love yourself, if you really make it a baseline to love yourself, you start to ask yourself the question, when opportunities or decisions come your way, you start to ask yourself, would I do this if I really loved myself? And that baseline is very powerful when it comes to total happiness. And when you're totally happy, you tend to be more productive and do cooler things and have better experiences.

Yeah, it's funny. The best advice I think I ever received was from a very wise friend who said, life is from the inside out. Right? So that's what I've learned. If you work on yourself from the inside, the outside molds itself to what's happening inside. Whatever you believe. Hippie, non hippie. And I'm not a hippie, by the way.

Though I live in San Francisco. I do have long hair. I mean, you know, who knows? Maybe I am.

You know, it has to be consistent. You know, Another thing I've learned is it has to be consistent, focused practice. You know, whatever you decide, however you decide to be. You know, it's like, I want to be fit. I don't. You know, you don't just go to the gym and say, you know, one day or two to say, okay, I'm done. I'm fit. You know, you go to the gym, you know, for the rest of your life, you know, eat healthy for the rest of your life. You know, your mind, your spirit is more. Is the most important thing. And you got to work on that daily, too, as a consistent practice. I chose the filter of Loving myself and went at it, you know, one and I actually would talk about in the book, I'm like, you know, I don't think it really matters what you believe. Just. Just believe something and go all in.

You know, I never thought of it, that perspective. You looked at it through the filter of loving yourself. And somebody else's filter may be slightly different, but achieve the same result.

Yeah, just go all. You have to go all in. And that's where the vow came from. You know, when you make a vow to yourself, I mean, literally the world just ripples and waves around you. Yeah. That's one thing I've learned.

Well, talk a little bit about the experience of then coming back out. You've achieved some great successes in your life. You're very well connected, you're very well respected, and.

Well, you.

From all of my connections, all of my.

Network, everybody loves Kamal. And yet you went through this very painful experience. I believe that most really successful people go through that and they don't have those strategies of. Of coming back up. You looked at it through the filter of loving yourself. Talk a little bit about that process of when things started to get better and started to show up. Talk a little bit about that experience.

It was really interesting because, you know, like, hair was miserable a month ago and say a month later, I remember writing in my journal because I dated it. Writing a month later, it's like, amazed how my life had changed. Like, just, you know, opportunities and people that came into my life and things working out, you know, the company still failed. But the company failed. But the company had already failed. It was just like on its death throes, and I'd just been prolonging it. It failed. But what came out of it was actually this little book, right? This little book just sharing what I. Sharing what I've learned. And writing that book and putting the world. Putting out to the world changed my life. It literally changed my life. It showed me the power of just living your truth and sharing your truth. And I'm not saying I succeed at it. I mean, I fail miserably every day, but I work at it. Right. And it's changed everything. And now instead of being driven as I was before, to make, you know, a certain amount of money, you know, and I could have bought the Cleveland Indians or a team with the kind of money I was going for with that company. Right.

We should talk then.

Yeah. Or at least a few of it. Right.

And then in the process, lost everything. But look, because of that and turning around the way I look at the world now I only do things with people I love and things that are full on expression of me, right?

So what do I do? I run a venture fund now because I love helping entrepreneurs and the fund's doing really well, you know, because I'm doing purely what I want to do. What, what. I'm not out to prove anything to anyone. I turn people down or try, you know, the people who try to invest my fund, I turn them down if I don't like their values, right? And I, and the people I help, entrepreneurs I love, I help, you know, like people who invest in my fund. I'm worldly friends, people I love, I write books, you know, their expression of me. It's something I love, right? So it's, it's. And, and I'm having success in it, you know, like I'm having, I'm like a, you know, it's funny, I never had no idea it's made me a best selling like liter. The first book sells as much as New York Times bestsellers, right? And all I did was write the truth, you know.

Did you experience that moment of like when you started loving yourself, when you started to experience this ability to only focus on things that you really desire? Did you have this, this like adjustment period where you weren't quite sure what you loved because you hadn't played with that in so many years?

Yeah, that, that did take some time. You know, like it's, it's not like life all of a sudden gives you all the answers and everything you want in one single day, right? It's an evolution. And actually I, you know, in all honesty, I kind of got lazy along the way too. And you know, like I said with the whole gym metaphor, if you get lazy going to the gym, you're gonna get out of shape, right? Because you get, you can get lazy when you're in shape. You think, ah, you know, I'll skip it today or I'll eat this pizza today or whatever. And you do that consistently over time. And you're at one day you wake up and you're out of shape. Same thing there. And I learned that the hard way. And actually part of. I talk about that in my second book, which is about full on living. Your truth.

Is that one, you got to be consistent and two is the fact that you got to go deeper. You can't just find your answer one day and just continue to apply it. You'll only go so far. And life has a way of saying, okay, you've come this far, I'm Going to take you to the next level. And you either go to kicking and screaming or you make a decision to go there. So it's very interesting. We have to continue to evolve and grow. And that's actually where these things come from. The things I'm doing now came from, come from like going deeper, those experiences, if that makes any sense.

Would you clarify that a bit? When you say going deeper, do you mean going deeper as far as the experience of loving yourself and living your truth, or do you mean going deeper.

Explain that a little bit more.

Yeah, that's a good point, I think. Excuse me. It comes from actually like if you learn to work out. Let me put it this way. Our brains are plastic. Neuroplasticity. The concept of neuroplasticity. Same thing with the gym, right? If I just go do the same exercises every day, I'll get in shape for a while. But then after a while my body will adapt. It'll stop working.

Your muscles just adapt. So I think it's the same with the brain. You just gotta. You can't just slide. You gotta like the practice that I came with, I came up with. But also you also have to live life and life throws you challenges along the way. And that's when you. That's what I mean by going deeper. You gotta live it even when life throws you the challenges along the way. And that's actually where the. Funny enough, that's where a lot of the magic happens when you still being consistent through the challenges. It's amazing. And then the reward to get out of it are amazing.

What challenges did you experience? I mean, your. Your focus after this experience was to focus on loving yourself and only doing things that, that really filled you up and allowed you to be more fully you. What challenges came up that threatened to derail that process?

Actually, interesting enough, that came a little bit later. That part about only doing things that are expression of me because I still try to save the company, right? And it failed. I mean, failed in the sense that it would have failed in the sense I had to shut it down. We ran out of money, right? So that still happened. And what I had to do was I had to like take that experience, which is a challenging experience. Shutting down your dream for four years and you know, have no money left in the bank and. And still continue with this practice of loving yourself. What that did was that resulted in me writing the book, right? That resulted me. The book resulted in me then thinking about what else do I want to do? That's an expression of me Which. Which was starting this venture fund. So it was a step by step process. But, you know, in the meantime, I had to deal with like, okay, running out of money. How do I build? You know, build my. Put money in the bank again. Right. So those were challenges. But. But now approaching those challenges of a place from loving myself, I wasn't freaked out by them. I was actually. I mean, there were. I'll be honest, there were some very hard moments, but they were derailing me. Right. And I was able to, like, move on from them. You know, do what I had to do, move on and move to the next thing, which is actually nicer and bigger. I went through the second book I wrote. I was through a very painful breakup, and I had to learn that, you know, like, I sort of forgot my own practice when I was in that pain and realized, nope, you got to live it. And what. That opens up even a bigger world to you.

So does that answer the question?

Yeah. It reminds me of what Michael Singer says in the Untethered Soul, which is, as long as you. Life will continue to throw you new challenges and you'll. You'll continually face things that either cause you to close up or open up. And those who close up tend to cut off life forces. They. They cut off the. The blood that brings new life to them, new opportunities, new experiences. But when you open up, you open up channels that allow you to go to that next level. Level. And so it's not a matter of you get something or you reach a certain point, and all of a sudden you are now happy or you are now fulfilled. Those are just labels that we put on feelings. But there are continual growth patterns that we can practice in order to experience those on a more regular basis. And there are things that we can practice that allow us to feel depressed. It's just a matter of what do we practice in order to experience something more regularly.

Yeah, I love it. I absolutely love it. I'm gonna get that book. And it's like, really, once you find, you know, whatever your thing is and you go all in, and when life happens, you. It's easy to stay open, you know, because you're committed to your truth. Yeah, right. And you see, and it takes you to higher. Each time it takes you to a higher place. Like I couldn't have predicted where I am now a year. Like when I put that book out. No way. Like, I could not have predicted this.

And you still feel challenges now, even though you're at a better place?

Of course. I mean, it's. But like they don't derail me like they used to, or they don't. Like, like I, they don't have the effect on me the way they used to. And it's also like different challenges. You know, it's like, I think I heard this, like a Tony Robbins thing once, which, which was you, you know, you'll never stop having problem. Gonna want to have higher quality of problems, right? Yeah, I like that a lot. So, like, you just have a higher level. You step up higher and higher in the world, you know, like I'm doing public speaking now. It scares the living crap out of me. Right. But I go do it because I get asked to do it now, but I never did before. That's a nice problem to have. Right. Like, I'm having more and more of these things, and they, they, they make me, you know, I can close up or open up, and fortunately, I'm choosing the ones that open me up. And I have no idea where my life will be next year. But I tell you what, if it continues, if I continue who I'm being on the inside, I look very much forward to it.

Well, Kamal, there's this sense that I think we have.

Until you face major challenges and you go through this process that you and I have both gone through, this, this refined by fire process. And it's this belief that one day we'll arrive and we'll have no more problems. And it's this idea that if we do the right things, then we'll retire and have lots of money, our kids will be great, we'll have, our wife will still be hot, and we'll have no more problems. And I don't. And I think you are cured of this problem, of this, of this idea. Once you go through the refined by fire process and you realize that it's not a matter of eliminating problems, it's a matter of conditioning yourself to respond to those challenges in a way that serves you rather than causes you to close up or defeat you.

Yeah. And you know, we. So instinctually, it's our nature to close up, especially as men, you know, we have to, we're taught to be tough on the outside, you know, not.

Sure where we are hurting. Right. But like, when you look at, like, I'll just use mine from looking from the filter, loving myself, you know, that actually learned the hard way was like, sometimes loving yourself also means reaching out to people and saying, listen, I need help. Right. And when you start just applying something like this, something this simple filtered to your life, to your thought process, like you Said, you ask yourself better questions, you make better choices, and that transforms your life, right? And I think the only way to do that is, you know, we're all good consciously doing it. But what was it Muhammad Ali said? You know, everyone's like a boxer until he gets punched in the face, right? So, like. But, but, you know, like. But if you're trained right, when you get punched in the face, you'll take it and you will, you know, you'll do what you need to do. Same thing here. If you're working on a consistent practice of taking care of yourself from the inside out, when you get punched in the face, it won't. It won't throw you. It won't knock you out. You'll step up. You know, that's. I think that's the key. I don't know if any people have to hit rock bottom to get this. I think they just have to, you know, pick that thing and go and make it the way they view the world. You know, that comes from inside out.

So do you think that it's possible to achieve that level of evolution without going through a period of losing it and feeling a lot of pain? Because I argue that you can't. I think you have to experience the pain. It sounds to me like you're arguing that if you just focus on. On something, you can circumvent around that. I'd like to hear your opinion on that.

Yeah, I think. Here's the thing, you know, everyone experiences pain. Everyone has experienced pain. If you're beyond the age of two, you've experienced pain, you know, so it's like, do we all have to experience rock bottom? I hope not. You know, I hope. I really hope not. I've been there. I don't want other people to be there. You know, like, and what's one. One person's rock bottom could be another person's dream day. Like, my. My rock bottom could have been like some of the third world who's pulling a rickshaw to feed his five kids, being sick and being in a nice, beautiful place in San Francisco. Hey, right? So, like, what is. You know, I think what matters, you know, we're all human beings. We've all felt pain, we all felt joy, we all felt love. I think the thing is just.

I don't. I hope we don't have to hit rock bottom to get there. I think we've all felt pain to a certain level in our lives, and that's enough. And we will, you know, just. We will, and we will feel pain through Our life, people we love will die. You know, we can't stop it. I think there's a hundred percent mortality rate, right.

And you know, if you love someone, eventually, you know, you love enough people, you know, people are going to die. So you can't go through life without pain. But what you can go through life is and use, you can go through wherever you are now to actually start from inside out. You know, take that filter and just start living your life from there and.

It'Ll transform your life. So as far as hitting rock bottom, I think, I don't think people need that. I hope not.

Kamal, you went through the fire. You kind of got back, you know, got back on your horse and started moving again and life started bringing new opportunities in that that were more beneficial to you. Higher quality problems that allowed you to evolve even higher. And then you wrote Live youe Truth.

Mm.

Talk about that process and what you wanted people to get out of that follow up book.

Okay. Live youe Truth actually was interesting because I could have written after the success of Love Yourself, I could have written more like a Love Yourself too. I got lots of offers for that kind of stuff, you know, love yourself with children or whatever. But I wanted to write what I had learned within the year between Love Yourself and and when I started Live youe Truth. And also because I'm a big believer in change really comes from the inside out. Someone else can't make you change, they can inspire you, whatever. But really you got to have change come from the inside out. So the purpose of this book was to like almost meditations layering in the thought process that will cause someone to actually really figure out what their truth is and live it. Because if it comes from inside out, that's it, it's done. You can't go back because you can't lie to yourself. You cannot pooh pooh yourself in that way. You can't say that's not true because it came from inside you youu can always do that to what someone else tells you and when you get punched in the face. But when you get punched in the face and it came from inside you, it's your truth. Right? So that's, that's the purpose of the second book and it seems to be succeeding from the emails I give people who read it. It's a very different book than the first one. The first one is almost like a little practical guide, step by step how to do it. But that was. The first one is a step by step guide on how if you want to take My truth and live it here. Here you go. Right. Second one is, if that's not enough and you want to figure out your own truth, great, use this one.

So how do you suggest that. How do you suggest that people actually go and find their truth and live it out?

I don't believe in any 10 step processes or.

Courses that someone can say, hey, by the time you're done with this 10 step process, you'll be living your truth. It's more a matter of going within yourself. And I talk about how I would go within myself in that book and some of the thought processes there.

But in the end, it comes from picking something, just picking one thing that people say, I don't know what my truth is. Well, pick something that resonates for you and just go all in.

When you go all in on anything, it transforms you. Pick something out of a movie, pick something out of a sermon, pick something out of this conversation, Pick something that comes from inside you in a dream. It's got to feel right for you. And if it feels right for you, just go all in. Make that. Make, commit. I talk about all that in the book in detail, but that's really all it is. One's got to step up in life to themselves.

And if you outgrow whatever your truth was at the time you let go it, because you'll have discovered even a deeper fundamental truth for yourself and you'll only get better, you'll only evolve along the way.

I found that to be true. I actually grew up very religious. I went to school to be a pastor.

Wow.

And in my early 20s.

My church friends would say I strayed. I say that I graduated to a new level of what I believed to be true and shed off what I thought was true before. And that was a painful process for me of shedding those old beliefs that I no longer had and really getting honest about that to myself. Because there was a long time that I put on a facade of I really didn't believe this, but I had to because it was, it was so deeply ingrained in me. And once I. I shed that older truth that I no longer held to and graduated to a new level that was based in something that was more true to what I believed to be actually true. There was a deeper sense of connection with that truth that really inspired me to share that and make even a greater impact than the. Than the roots I had before.

Yeah, that's what, you know, it's like when you go all in and when you commit to something, you evolve as a human being. And I personally think, I'm starting to think that's why that's basically might be our purpose in life is to evolve, to be our better selves, to be our best selves. And you only get there by going all in, by going on the field. You don't become your best self by sitting in the stands.

Well, Kamal, the thing that impresses me most about you is you've been a number one best selling author, you're a successful venture capitalist, you are very well respected. We've covered that already.

Depending on who.

You hang out with.

And yet you just come from this place of this is who I am. And it doesn't really bother me the way that people react to me. And I'm gonna continue living the, living my purposes, regardless of what happens. And just the fact that you're such a down to earth guy, when I think people want to talk you up so much, you just consistently say, this is me figuring out my own path. And I think that's what I like best about you and why you've inspired so many people.

Thanks, man. I mean, like, you know, like I used to beat myself up a lot for screwing up, right? Like I've done, you know, like, I think sometimes, like, name some of the stupidest things you can do, I will take them all off on the boxes. Right? And, but you know, I don't do that anymore. I don't beat myself up anymore. You know, I'm a curious person. I want to experience life. But what I know is that I'm just shedding away. All the, the crap that holds us back is just the crap in our head and a lot of the negative self talk, you know, and when I do that, I make less mistakes or I make better mistakes or different mistakes, you know?

Yeah.

And that's all it is. You know, I'm pretty suspicious of gurus and all of that. You know, I stay away from all that stuff because we're just human beings trying to figure our own things out. The best we can do is whatever we figure out, we share with others. And if it's a really fundamental human truth, it'll help them. And you know, what we figure out is nothing people wouldn't figure out thousands of years ago.

Funny enough.

Well, Kamal, thanks so much for being an example of living your truth. And thanks so much for sharing your story with my audience here at Freedom Fastlin.

Hey, my pleasure, man, thanks for having me.

Kamal's story really resonated with me and I hope that it resonated with you. As well. You know, a few years ago, I found myself in a really dark spot too. And it didn't matter how much money was in the bank or how successful other people thought I was. I was not happy with my life. And that started a wonderful and deep journey that led me to the abundant life that I enjoy today. Hey, there is a fantastic YouTube talk that Kamal gave at Awesomeness Fest last year, and you can find it if you just go on YouTube and search for Kamal Ravikant Awesomeness Fest. He mentions one moment where someone leans to him and says, hey, what if this life is really heaven? And regardless of what you think about that idea, it's a really, really cool concept that had an impact on me. I'd recommend you check that out. Hey, I'd love to hear your thoughts. You can find the show notes and you can leave a comment over at freedomfastlane. Com and while you're there, make sure you sign up for one of our free reports. You can get them by just entering your best email. I'll see you over at the blog at freedomfastlane. Com and thanks for listening.