Overcoming Fear to Redefine Yourself w/ JP Sears #TheOnePercent

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Yo, podcast peeps. What's going on? Welcome to the 1%. I'm Ryan Daniel Moran and today I am ethically stealing a podcast that I recorded with my buddy JP Sears. JP invited me onto his podcast, so I want to give a quick shout out to his show, which is called Awaken with JP Sears. Subscribe to. It is really good and this episode was my favorite because it features me. Actually, I received received more feedback from this episode from anything I've done in the last several months, with the exception of maybe the you are enough podcast. And even my own internal team members were saying how raw and real this conversation was. And so I wanted to share it with the 1 percenters. And what I think you're really going to benefit from is just connecting with the experience of entrepreneurship and this crazy game that we play in spite of our own happiness. And so I think you're gonna get a lot of enjoyment and value out of this. And also if you enjoy this conversation, JP is going to be co hosting the Capitalism Conference with me this January, so in Texas, January 21st through the 23rd. JP and I will be on stage together for three days, talking with other entrepreneurs and high achievers and investors. And it'd be really silly for you not to come. And you're gonna miss a lot of laughs and a lot of big ahas and a lot of friendships and a lot of connections if you aren't there. So go to TheCapitalismConference.com for more. And in the meantime, you'll enjoy a few laughs, a few braingasms, and probably a lot of deep thoughts out of this conversation with JP and my.

Ryan Daniel Moran. Welcome to this abstract space that doesn't exist on the physical plane that we call my show.

It feels super trippy to be here.

Yeah.

Thank you for inviting me into your consciousness.

You're welcome. And I appreciate the fact that you didn't show up in physical form because I think your essence is more powerful than your form. I think the more formless you become as a person, not other people, but you become as a person, the more impact you offer.

Well, I'm just trying to lead the charge that is when we're able to upload our consciousness to the cloud and maybe download other people's consciousness, and you have downloaded mine into your podcast.

It'S just like porn without the sexual.

Just like porn. That's what I was thinking.

Well, it's good to be here not having sex with you, brother man. I just want to say I'm happy to have you here within the podcast and so happy to have you in my life. I mean, since Amber and I moved to Austin, you have truly become one of my absolute closest friends here in Austin and actually outside of Austin, too. And aside from just feeling a very genuine friendship, brotherly vibe with you, you simply fascinate me as a person. You might be a spy for all I know, and if you are, then you're not a very good spy, because I suspect you're a spy. But one of the reasons why you fascinate me is your diversity, your multidimensionality.

I'm a white male. There's no diversity.

Well, you know, you have different col socks on, but, you know, your diversity. You kick ass and take names in the entrepreneurial business world, and not just, like, doing one thing in business, but you're running online businesses. You're teaching other people how to run businesses. You're running live events. You have the public Persona. So you're doing so much within that world, and then you are in the private life. You are a very deep person doing real work on yourself, and you're deadlifting 400 pounds in various Instagram posts. And you were also one of the absolute kindest people I know. Thanks, J.P. yeah, it's almost rude how kind you are.

You send thank you notes in the mail for, like, you came over for dinner and you sent, like, a handwritten thank you note. And Amber and I were talking about that for, like, how kind is Ryan? That's amazing.

So. Well, the appreciation was genuine, but thank you for the kind words.

Well, you're welcome. That's a very kind thing of you to say. His Holiness.

The Ryan Daniel Moran. So recently you got back.

Is that what this podcast is? You're just gonna compliment me for the next hour? Because that'd be great.

Yeah, and I'm gonna compliment you until you start squirming. It's gonna become progressively more invasive. Compliments to the point where you feel violated.

I'm pretty sure people will listen to it and say, I got no value out of that podcast, but, wow, there were some creative compliments. That's fine.

And I think getting no value is some of the best value people can get because they'll realize all value is found within.

Amen, brother.

And with that said, you recently got back from Burning man, and this is one of those man, you hashtag hippie science. So you posted something on Instagram about a breakthrough you had at Burning man, and I've been itching to talk to you about it because I just relate to it so much. So can you give us the rundown of what your breakthrough was you were talking about on Instagram?

Gladly. However, let's set some context. So first, it should be noted, my company is capitalism.com so that should tell you a little bit about my political leanings, about my biases in terms of what I believe about the world. And I am an investor as my primary occupation. So I am a fairly logical person. I definitely lean head versus emotions. And that has started to shift over the last year or so. And I had a major breakthrough in the last couple of weeks. And I set that context just because I'm not of the mindfulness community. How about that?

Are you saying you don't have ultra spiritual DNA, bro?

It's not my default setting. Correct. I grew up in the Evangelical Christian Church. I'm no longer religious, but I did go to school to be a pastor. And I've filmed a documentary about my transition out of traditional Christianity, which, of course, you were in. Coming soon to a YouTube near you. And so the shift that I had was. So first things first. I had an experience on the playa at Burning Man. How much context can I provide before I tell you anything?

Give us a solid 17 hours of context.

One of the things about Burning man is I'm on the opposite schedule of most people that are there. That, you know, Burning man has a reputation for being a bit of a party fest. And you couldn't be closer to the truth. There's drugs and sex everywhere. At Burning Man. I'm on the opposite schedule. I'm in bed by 10:30. I wake up to see the sunrise. Most people stay up to see the sunrise because they can't go to bed because they're tripping. I don't live in that world. I go to be disconnected for a week and be connected to myself for a week. But anyway, I had an experience where one day I literally stood up after a workshop and felt immensely present, almost like someone had slipped me something very, very present for about nine hours. And I literally sat in a chair for two hours and watched people go by. And part of my brain was like, this is weird. But I just Feel immensely present with what is in the moment.

And that was a weird experience for me because it felt like I had been meditating for a 10 day retreat. Not that I've ever done a 10 day retreat, but what I imagine it feels like when you do a 10 day retreat and it just happened spontaneously. Don't know why, but it happened. And it was a very interesting experience. And that kind of set the context for the rest of my time there of just being present with what is. And that's different for me because most of my time and most of my life is spent accomplishing things. I'm a driver, I burn myself. Whatever the saying is about candles and ends and burning things they say, like.

Burning the Amish people that make the candles.

That's right. So I was burning so many Amish people. Right. That's basically my life is just burning up.

And I definitely don't know where the Amish or the Amish, as some people would say, get all that wax for candles.

But it's because they don't shower and they don't. They have so much coming out of their ears as earwax. It just makes very flammable.

That's why they can't hear people talking about like the updated technology. They're like amish, Abraham, do you want an iPhone? And he's just like, what?

I can't hear you.

Yeah, but I do want to make another candle.

And it makes a perfect combination there. Anyway. Wow, that was a great tangent. J. You're great at that.

I think we all learned something.

So I'm a driver. I work very hard on my business. I work very hard in the gym. I work very hard in everything that I put my attention on. I've discovered in the last year and a half that I am a workaholic. I do not know where to get my emotional needs met outside of work. I'm aware of that. Don't know what to do with it. Just aware of it. So to be that immensely present was a new experience for me. Something happened though, towards the end of the week when our mutual friend Aubrey Marcus magically showed up at the Playa and he wasn't sure he was going to make it because of his accident. He had a life threatening accident about 10 days before burning Man. He showed up and he was recounting the story about his accident and he told the story about how before his accident he knew how to get what he wanted from people by looking and acting a certain way. He knew the charming smile to put on. He knew the Face to make. To make people like him. Handsome dude. My personal trainer used to tell me, ryan, you could easily be the fittest entrepreneur in Austin if it wasn't for Aubrey Marcus.

And just to hit the zoom button on that. I mean, Aubrey is very charismatic. He has tremendous influence on people in a great way. So what you're saying is definitely not overstated about how he's able. Has been able to put on a face and get what he wants from people. And not at all meaning that in a bad way, but just to really emphasize what you're saying.

Influential person for sure. And he was expressing how after his accident, he felt like he lost part of what made him valuable. So he lost the ability to put on the charming smile because.

His nose was ripped off his face.

Yeah. And not divulging personal details. He's posted this publicly. He's got a cut nerve in his face, so he can't smile the way he normally does or at all. Can't feel parts of his face.

Yeah. And him expressing that idea of losing something where you got a lot of influence, meaning self value. And him having the realization that people loved him not for what he did, but for who he was as long as he didn't get in the way. That was the phrase he used. People love that. As long as I don't get in the way. And him having the realization that he was enough even without the charm or the things that he put his personal value in. Now, what that did for me was it just made me question the idea, are there things in my life that I do because I don't feel like I have enough value or because I'm enough? It just made me ask the question, if Aubrey Marcus, somebody who is a friend and somebody that I look up to, is openly expressing that he realized that he had areas of his life where he was operating because he put personal value in external things. Could that be the case for me, too? Do I do things because I'm not. I don't feel like I'm enough? That was the question that went in my brain. And I played with this for about 24 hours. I felt like there was something to explore here. I could not shake this idea.

So I got together with some friends the following day and I just. I could not shake this idea of do I do things because I fear that I'm not enough?

And I started to look at my goals in my journal. I take my journal everywhere. And I started to look through it and it was things like maintain 10% body fat year round.

There's things like profit. $5 million on this initiative was very numbers driven things. And I started to wonder, like, what is it about the number that I'm so hung up on? What is it that I'm trying to get out of these goals? And I started to think, what is it about having abs or having 10% body fat year round that's so important to me? And I started to think about what was driving those types of goals. And I started to realize there is some part of me that values that external validation that is simply a comparison. You look better than this person, you make more than this person. There was nothing in that goal about making $5 million that was like make the best product on the planet. It was just make $5 million. Is that how I'm evaluating progress and goals, is how much money shows up? Now this is strange for me because I deal with entrepreneurs all the time who are obsessed with money. I think of myself as less obsessed with money than most entrepreneurs. I'm aware of other entrepreneurs and other personally responsible people who are obsessed with just the result. And I coach those people. And so to just see it in myself, of, wow, I'm putting a lot of pressure on the number rather than the process. What's the driver behind this? And at some level it was because internally I feel as though, or felt as though there was a lack or a gap that could be filled by the external validation that would come from the money or the admiration, which points to me feeling as though there's something in me that's not enough.

And I got very sad, just really sad looking at all of these goals that I've been setting, realizing that most of them were driven out of some sort of feeling of lack of or lack of love for myself. And I was talking this out loud with some friends of mine and I remembered back to 8th grade when I just said the first time I can ever remember feeling this way was back in eighth grade, my parents split and I was clinging to any masculine leader in my life. I lived with my mom, my dad, dad lived on his own. And there was a friend of mine in 8th grade that I really clung to who was he ended up winning best overall student in middle school, was really fit, read like Warren Buffett books. In eighth and ninth grade, he was the kid I wanted to be. And one day at the lunch table, after being friends with him for about a year and a half, he said to me, you know, I really don't like you that much and I'm only friends with you because I feel sorry for you.

Whoa. How did that feel on little Ryan?

Well, I never went back to lunch. I went and hid in the computer lab every day for the rest of middle school. And I remember this, but it was like I remembered this.

Yeah.

And I remembered my solace was the computer and I skipped lunch. So I was starving by the time that I went home and I was by myself in the house. My mom started working when my parents split, and I would just eat everything I was hungry because I didn't go to lunch. And kind of my go to filler was peanut butter. I would just eat peanut butter out of the jar and jp, for the last year and a half.

I have become aware that I have addictive tendencies to.

Working and binge eating. When I feel an emotion I don't like, I work and I eat peanut butter. This is trippy. Now, as somebody who is as logical as me and who is as, like, masculine, goal oriented, I'm like, just stop eating the peanut butter.

Yeah.

And I have an emotional charge to overeating and workaholism.

Yeah.

And this was the first time that I was like.

Oh, my goodness. This is like middle school junk. That started when I learned when a piece of software code got in there and told me I was not enough, that I wasn't loved, and that I had to change something. And it was around this individual who I looked up to in fitness and money. Now, fast forward two years. I had a mentor who my mom introduced me to. She was friends with at her church, and he mentored me on investing, business. He was a wealthy guy and he was a bodybuilding champion. So he was the first person to ever put me on a, like, a real fitness plan. And part of that fitness plan was I was underweight and I had to just eat neat, neat in order to make him happy. I had to eat neat, neat, neat, neat, and work really, really hard. And what happened? He had his own set of issues. And a couple of years into our mentorship, I missed a phone call from him, and he literally broke up with me as a mentor. And he was like, you haven't earned my mentorship, and I'm ending our relationship.

So the cycle repeats for the second time.

Right. And I had never put that together. That I had two experiences in my life where in order to be enough, I had to perform physically and in work. And in both cases, the other person told me I wasn't enough.

Yeah.

Now, to the outside world, it's like, of course this person would be a workaholic foodaholic Jim Aholic. And it had never occurred to me. JP Never occurred to me. And immediately upon realizing this, I cried like Ron Burgundy when Baxter was punted over the bridge. And I immediately. My workaholism was, like, needing to do something about this. I immediately have to work through this. I have to do something about it.

So it's kind of like what I'm hearing you say is, oh, you realize there's call it a faulty program. And I don't mean that in a shaming way, but, okay, you realize there's a faulty program in the psyche software. So the faulty program says, let's deal with the faulty program by running the faulty program.

Right, Exactly. And there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it except just be with it and let it be.

Just let it be. Be with it. Like, what does that actually mean in practical terms?

Mourning it in some capacity? Mourning the feeling that most of my life has been driven by a feeling of lack. Most of my decisions have been driven by the fear of not being loved or not being enough.

That most of what I have pursued in life has actually been the fulfillment of an inner child or an inner lack that I never recognized that I was completely unconscious to.

And I have made millions of dollars. I have lifted heavy things. I have traveled the world and have always felt this restlessness of feeling like I had to get somewhere, I had to accomplish something. I started to think about things like, JP has more Instagram followers than me. And I have joked with you about Lewis House. I know Louis. I like Louis, but internally, I resent Louis because Louis has more social media followers than me, even though I've built bigger businesses than him. And there's immediately a comparison game of what's he got that I don't? And now one of my Goals is, like, 1 million followers. For what? Yeah, like, so that I can have some sort of external validation that what I have done is worth doing. No, Absolutely no regard for the goal being being proud of my work.

Yeah.

Which one brings more satisfaction? If your value is completely in the power of other people, then you are always at the mercy of something changing and you feeling not valuable. And for the first time in my life, it was like somebody hit me over the face with that message. And I realized that the same thing I saw in other people was also in me. And I had absolutely no idea. I made the entry in my journal where I was saying, if I believed that I was enough, if I believed that I was valuable just as I was, what would be different about My goals. And I didn't know the answer, but I did know this, and I underlined it. I would know that my goals wouldn't be based in numbers. This external validation of, I'll weigh this much, I'll lift this much, I'll look this way, I'll have these followers, I'll make this much money. Those are all things that come as the result of something else. And I was chasing the numbers. And, jp, I'm sorry for repeating myself. I was completely blind to it until I asked myself the question, is it possible that I'm doing things out of a feeling of feeling like I'm not enough? In my head, I'm like, of course not. In no way do I have that blind spot. Until I started looking at what's the real reason I want to make $5 million on this project? Why is that important? And it's because some part of me feels as though what I have or less than that is not enough. And not enough to what?

And I don't think there's a person alive that can't relate to what you're saying. I think there's people alive who, much like you, weren't aware that they have their version of I don't feel enough. And I try to compensate for that in various ways that probably don't look exactly like how you are. Compensating. But I think everybody has this. And I think one of the interesting parts of this very, very human wound that we all deal with, and I love how you're vulnerably sharing how you've discovered it and you're dealing with it, is when you notice like, holy shit. I have been largely driven by a feeling of I'm not enough. So I've been making goals. Numbers lift this much weight, this little body fat, this much money. All those numbers equal an amount that I think will be enough. It's never enough. Once we achieve it, make a million. Okay, Then it needs to be 10 million. Make 10 million. Now it's got to be 50 million. Then it's got to be. So it's never enough. But of course, when we're setting the goal, we imagine it will be enough. But once we realize we're doing that and we say, holy shit, I have been blind to this for 30 years. 40 years, 50 years. Then the first step, in my opinion, is forgiving ourselves that we weren't enough to recognize this sooner. Because I think the temptation is we recognize, holy shit, I've been in the swamp. So the temptation is to get pulled right back down into the swamp by shaming ourselves. You weren't enough to see how you weren't enough. And therefore that's been driving you to feel like you're enough by like getting more Instagram followers than Lewis Howes. And I also think there's. And I'd love to pretend like I'm not speaking from experience. Like, I was like, yeah, I can't relate to this, bro, but so much of me is in this. In fact, when you posted your snapshot of this on Instagram, I commented and said, I think you wrote this about me. And I think my inner torment about the I'm not enough wounded child inside of me is the wounded inner child is always looking to see how can I become enough. I want to prove that I'm enough. And he's simultaneously out to prove he's not enough. So that's why wherever he looks, he can see I'm not enough. Lewis Howes has half a million Instagram followers and I don't. That equals I'm not enough. Someone can bench press more than me. I'm not enough. Someone makes more money than me. I'm not enough. So out to prove that I am enough while trying to prove that I am not enough. Lost what the fuck I was saying, but it's so tormenting.

It is. I wish there was a different phrase to use than I'm not enough. I wish I could find a different way to express that because it sounds so, I guess so self helpy. But to me there's a gap between where I am and where I will feel satisfied or content. And the interesting thing I told you the story about, for whatever reason, I had like this sober psychedelic experience where I was present for like nine hours and just I had nowhere to go, nowhere to be. And the reason I go to Burning man in the first place, a is to walk around naked all the time.

Which you're still doing, right? Thank God. This podcast in the video, seriously, you're definitely not enough.

Insert penis size joke.

Besides, walking around naked is because at this place there's 80,000 people that don't trade money, that all look ridiculous because they're dressed up and there's no status. So there's like, there's nothing to accomplish. It's the one time in my life where it's like, I'm not a driver. I don't have to get anything. I don't have to go anywhere. And so you just become yourself. And that, I think, allows that kind of presence to come out. And I had this like, whoa. I just feel really at peace and really present for like this nine hour period. Well, that night I decided to go out. I stayed out past 10:45. I know I was a rebel that night.

JP, you were like the wildest person at Burning man that night.

All right. Yeah. And, you know, I went out with some people in my camp and they were like, yeah, we're gonna go to this club, they play this music and it goes like, it goes like this, it goes.

And we're gonna dance.

So exclusive.

We're gonna dance. So I go with them, you know, and then it's like, we're gonna go to this other club, they play this other music, it goes.

Don'T, don't. And we're gonna dance like this.

And I'm just observing the absurdity of this activity of like, the absurdity of the need to like, take drugs and go out in rage in order to feel a certain feeling. And I have this thought in my mind of, I think all of you are searching for this feeling of presence that I have right now, like this total peace and happiness with the present moment. I think all of you are going out and doing this thing. I'm going to go to bed. Or maybe it was just an excuse to go to bed before 1am but that was the first insight that I had of like, you're chasing something outside of yourself in order to feel the way that you want to feel. And then when I observed within myself, I've been doing this my whole life just in a different way. Other people might go out and rage. I have been pursuing money so that I can feel a certain way. I've been pursuing looking a certain way way so that I can feel a certain way so that I can feel satisfied with where I am in life while also operating with this angst about the gap between where I am and where I want to be. And as soon as I had that shift, there was a different thought about goals. And my goals all of a sudden became, that's where I want to go. That's going to be my guiding light. But look at all of these beautiful moments that I get to experience between now and achieving then. And all that will do is give me an opening to the next set of beautiful moments. And the thing that shifted for me, I think, after I kind of grieved the thought that I had been operating from that place for a long time was recognizing the fact that I had been operating under the illusion that having 8% body fat was better than having 14% body fat or that having $10 million in the bank was better than having no money in the bank. Better by what metric? Yeah, all those things do is allow you to make a different set of choices to enjoy different moments, or open up the menu of options through which you can choose to enjoy the next moment or you can just choose to enjoy the moment.

Yeah, Those outside measures, 10 million in the bank, zero in the bank, 14% or 8% body fat. Change nothing about fundamentally who you are.

Right, Right. And someone would hear this and say like, well, look at all the different experiences you can have. Well, that's based on the belief that those experiences are better than others.

Sure.

Or that buying a big house is better than buying a small house. I can tell you I just bought a big house. It's a pain in the ass to furnish that thing. I hate getting the water bill every month. I actually crave being in a little tiny house with no responsibilities. So I was operating under the illusion that one was better than the other. And guess where I got that illusion from? It was the perception that I had that I would be more valuable if I had the big house. And think about this, think about being famous. For example, I want a million followers on Instagram at the time of this recording. I have like 8,100. So I'm a few short. Right. So what I realized is I have some weirdo stalker fans just because of my success and what I put out on the Internet. It was the first time that I had the realization, well, if I have a million followers, I think that's going to make me more valuable. But that actually is going to get me more creepy stalker fans too. So I'm operating under the illusion that having more followers is somehow better than having no followers or fewer followers.

Yeah.

And again, based on what metric, who gets to analyze what is better? It's a bullshit metric in your brain about what you think is going to be valuable. And again, I had no idea that I was operating under that mindset. No idea.

I think who writes that bullshit metric is a very scared, shamed 13 or 14 year old boy. I think for each of us and probably have other ages too. And I think a lot of us could sit there and think like, okay, do I want to govern my life by the metrics set forth by a very scared, shamed 13 year old boy, or 7 year old boy in my case. We look at that, say, no, would you want a seven year old boy driving your car? No. We'd realize that's an important part of me. Yet it's probably the least qualified part of me to captain my ship, if you will. And not to say that without compassion, that part of us very much needs our attention and needs our help. Yet that's not a good part of us to have setting the metrics yet we don't realize that's the part of us that sets the metrics because they say, okay, I'm in this terrorized state of feeling like I'm not enough. The only thing I can do to feel like I'm going to survive this just terrorizing situation of feeling immense shame because the popular kid said he doesn't like me. The only thing we can do to feel like we can survive that situation is create a scenario in our minds where we'll eventually be enough, where we can, okay, I'm in the swamp. Let me hypnotize myself to believe there's going to be a point in time when I'm out of this shitty swamp. And that point in time when I'm out of the shitty swamp is when I have the million followers, when I have the million dollars, the metrics that don't actually equal, I'll be out of the swamp. I would dare say it's like quicksand. The more we try to become enough by metrics that were created out of the scared, wounded child who feels like it's not enough, the more we like quicksand ourselves to go deeper into the swamp. And when we do that long enough, hopefully we have the awakening where we say, holy shit. Not only does this feel disgusting, but now my face is underwater. There's not real oxygen to sustain my life. I've been working to achieve an imaginary life that has no basis on giving life to who I really am. And you mentioned the gap, the gap between where you are and where you want to be. And I think that gap equals disconnection and lack of presence with ourself. And I think what I heard you say was when you were on the Playa, feeling real present for nine hours, sounds like that gap disappeared. Where it's not like, here's where I am and here's where I need to be. It's more like here's where I am and that's where I need to be. Therefore, it's like now it's a metric written by, I don't know, our heart, some wiser part of us that says, like, yeah, the way to have a good life is to be here right now. Easier said than done.

So I want to. Yes. And you on this one, as we would do an improv.

Yes. And I want you to.

We both run in entrepreneurial circles, and we know that there's a lot of shitty businesses that have raised a lot of money. What happens when you give a shitty business a lot of capital to scale?

I'd imagine a lot of it bleeds off.

Right. You scale a crappy business.

Makes sense. And that company is now living on the next raise and the next raise and the next raise. I happen to be of the opinion that that is going to be a bubble that hurts when companies that don't have any profitability can't raise money anymore. They go kerplunk. But anyway, the reason I say that is that's what I realized I had been doing to my life. I had been setting these outside goals of like, I sold a company for a whack ton of money last year.

Was it at least four figures?

It was at least $1,500, yes.

We're not going to name numbers, but.

It was more than 1. $480.

I know. It was a whack ton of money.

So what I realized was, okay, great money is an amplifier. It makes you more of who you are. So I thought that that would satisfy a gap for me. But what it did was it amplified it. It made that fear of not being enough. It scaled it. It scaled a crappy foundation. Then I set the goal around. Now I'm going to make even more money, and that will fill it. But what that did was it put more pressure on me to accomplish the thing outside of myself that I felt that I needed in order to achieve validation.

Yeah.

And that sucked because the goal had to get higher. Great. You know, I've made eight figures. Now I got to achieve nine.

Yeah.

I mean, can you imagine, like, go up to somebody, be, like, in order for you to be enough, you got to be worth $100 million. And so the mountain actually gets higher. It doesn't get satisfied. It means you got to go to the next raise. You have to hit the next goal.

That is bigger, which takes more energy.

And that bubble eventually bursts. And that's when you sabotage and you burn out. And I was there. And what happens when you give a good business, a complete business money? They scale a good foundation.

Yeah. And it's become sustainable, profitable.

And so now I have this feeling of telling my team, I no longer have this feeling that there has to be any results because I started playing with different goals. You know, if I really believed that I was enough, that I was a valuable regardless of my net Worth regardless of what I looked like, if I really believed that, what goals would I set? And all of a sudden it was things like, Instead of making $5 million, I just want to be proud of my work. I want to see it in the world and be really proud of it. Well, it's as strange as it is, that goal has no attachment to money. But which idea is probably going to make $5 million? The one that you're proud of that has a meaningful impact in the world, or the one that is trying to extract as much out of the pie as possible? I'm no mathematician, I'm also no psychic, but I think that if you're probably providing value in the world, that's probably more scalable.

Yeah.

And so I am playing with this idea of relinquishing attachment to the result and instead pursuing the enjoyment of the process and the freed up energy. I can't even express the. The difference that I feel in just that. The release of having to pour energy down the drain and instead experiencing it in just what is.

Yeah, I think living for the future is a great way to pour a lot of our energy down the drain, which means it's not really going into us. I think living in the moment, which sounds cliche and it sounds cliche to say that something sounds cliche. Yeah, living in the moment. One of my primary goals today is to be proud of what I do in my business. That energy gets invested, like right now. It's not like pouring it into a fictitious time in the future. It's like, oh, it gets to go to you. It doesn't get to be poured into the gap between where you are and where you think you need to be. And by the grace of Santa Claus or whoever's up there, someone's at the North Pole and it ain't Canadians. I think we can all agree on that.

Amen to that.

It's probably green lenders. But by the grace of the Greenlanders who protect Santa Claus, you compensated by achieving a lot. You achieve like great physical health. You achieve great business. You've helped a lot of people. I know you have. I've been to your events. So that's been in part a symptom of the wounded child who's begging to feel like he's not not enough. Some people would go in a different direction, take that. I want to avoid this pain and prove I'm not enough. And you know, it becomes drugs, alcohol, and really deteriorates their life. So by the grace of Santa Claus, you went in what we would consider, most would consider a positive direction. And then there's the realization of, oh, the fuel that accelerated me and got me good progress can also be the fuel that ignites and burns this car up. So I think the motivation to achieve a certain amount could become the motivation that causes us to self destruct. Unless there's a shift of consciousness. So you had what I would call a great shift of consciousness. And instead of avoiding the feelings of I'm not enough, nobody likes me, I need to be enough.

You start mourning, you start grieving, you start remembering. And I really love how you use that word. You were really remembering and connecting to 8th grade Ryan.

Which is awesome, I think. John Bradshaw is one of my favorite authors. He says all addiction, workaholism, fitnessaholism, eating, not eating, whatever the addiction. John Bradshaw says all addictions are truly an addiction to not feeling how we really feel. So you start feeling how you really feel.

Now. What do you give? Everything away. Become a monk.

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You know it's funny, I do feel this call to just give more because I currently don't feel a lack. So I don't feel like I have to get anything from anyone. Like, I have this desire to give out of abundance just because it feels good to give. I've had this discussion with other entrepreneur friends and they have said. They've actually said, I fear that if I were to heal all my wounds, I wouldn't have the thing that drives me anymore.

Yeah.

And I do get that, jp. I do. Even being in the sense where I feel like I have started to heal a major wound I didn't know was there, I do feel a bit of the drive is satisfied. The drive has gone away, but it's not the drive of wanting to give more. It's more. It's not the drive to create that's stronger than ever. It's more the angst behind it has gone away. The angst behind it having to result in a certain way has now diminished to the point where now I focus my energy on does this feel good? Does it feel good to operate in this way? Or does it make me feel that old angst that I would prefer to avoid? And now the idea of hustling 16 hours a day sounds great. If I'm scaling something I'm proud of.

Yeah.

There's no more. I'm going to work 16 hours a day to be exhausted because I'm trying to achieve some sort of end result. There's now I can't wait for the thing that I'm so excited about, that it keeps me up for 24 hours because I'm working hard at it. And there's no more of like that tension behind the thing that I want to work so hard on. Because that tension, that angst, it comes on the back end of you being attached to the result because the result will mean something about yourself.

Yeah.

If it doesn't mean anything about yourself, then you're either. You're only going to pursue it if it's bringing you joy or some sort of other meaning.

Yeah.

And so I have, as a result, started to eliminate all things that didn't bring meaning. And the only things that I'm working really hard at are the things that I truly believe in or the things that are bringing me or other people joy, or both. And guess what? The result of that is a much more profitable business. Much happier employees. My ability to be honest with people is up like 321.9%.

Yeah.

Who's counting? But my ability to be honest with people, because I am literally, there's nothing I'm trying to accomplish out of the conversation except a desire to feel free and feel present and feel connected. And so if I'm not afraid to lose someone because I am complete and enough, with or without that person, then I can truly show up and communicate to them in a way that is honest and in integrity with how I feel, rather than stacking a deck of what I might do to avoid being left or to avoid being alone. And so many times we communicate in a way in order to have a result. And the result might not be getting the business deal. The result might be don't leave me. The result might be affirm me. The result might be be attracted to me. That's how I communicate with you, jp. I communicate with you in a way that makes you psychologically attracted to me so that I feel like I'm enough.

I definitely think you think that boink.

And if you're operating from that belief of you're not enough and you're trying to get a result, then it comes through in your communication, in the things you create. And when that has gone, at least since I've had a peek into what it looks like to not feel that I'm able to communicate in a way that's truly honest and authentic. And that has been a really freeing experience.

And I think a piece of that profitability that I think you touched on, I'll throw some of my own words on it, is the journey becomes much more enjoyable, much more peaceful, rather than the journey of pursuing whatever the goal is, whatever the project, living in constant anxiety of this has to work out this way and this way, or else I'll be exposed or it'll fail, which, well, mean I'm really exposed. That'll prove I'm not enough. Yeah, what if you're going towards the destination but you get to freaking enjoy it, rather than living in a state of either low grade or high anxiety. And you mentioned something that it's crossed my mind so much about. If I all of a sudden became healed. Good luck on that. Ever healed. I think it's always healing. But my dysfunctional drivers, my version of what you're talking about, my sense of insignificance that all of a sudden went away. I do have the fear of what would drive me. Would I do anything? Would I just watch Netflix all day and be happy with that? Like, I get scared. And I was on the phone with my coach, just a wise man named Brandon Hawk, and we were doing my inner work and this came up and he said, jp, instead of letting me insignificance and Lack be your motivation. Let I am enough become your motivation. And something clicked in me. I'm like, well that's a much more powerful energy. Yeah. And I think for some of us, let's say we all go to Burning man, click into the spot you clicked into some of what we're doing, we might realize like this is bullshit, that's not important to me. And we get to shed that. And yeah, it'll be a little scary like o this project, maybe that job, maybe this relationship, maybe this habit, maybe some of that gets shed and it's a little scary. And to me the exciting part about that if that were to happen is when we shed what's not really our true north, we can better calibrate to what is our true north. What does my genuine being want for me and my life? We can become better aligned with that. But when we say like, well, what does my scared shitless shame based inner child want? Well that's probably going to be a few degrees, if not bunch of degrees off of our true north. So it takes us in a direction that's not really our direction, it's a compensatory direction. So to me it's actually exciting like well, for God's sakes, hopefully you lose motivation for doing what isn't your purpose and therefore you probably have nothing but accelerated motivation of a stronger fuel source to do what truly is your purpose. And I know that those words sound like awesome and easy and I know it's scary to live through that transition of leaving what we thought was true for us even though it was completely false. Even if that's our identity going towards what is true for us and more sustainable, it can be very scary. Yet I think there's a reason why the hero is called to go into the dark forest and face their dragons.

I'm trying to think of a different way to communicate this shift because my logical brain even up to about a month ago would intellectualize a lot of this and be like, yeah, yeah, whatever. And I'm struggling to put it in like non spiritual terms, but the way that you just communicated of is which is a more powerful motivator if we were to be just totally practical about this. If you are pursuing something out of fear, you're really running away from something that's a much less productive use of energy than running toward something. And I would even say most entrepreneurs are really running from something. Yeah, most of the really rich people that I know are running away from the pain they experienced as children of being poor. And there's something happening. I will not feel this. I will not experience this anymore, myself included. I will not experience that amount of pain again and I will create a different life for myself. And they're scared shitless that they are going to go back to being poor and they're constantly running from that and it makes them very effective and very unhappy. And what I have discovered is that if you are always operating in that running from something or even wanting to be free from something, then you never really create anything. You never really create your life consciously or on purpose. You are never really making effective decisions. Instead you are responding to what other people dictate for you or what the marketplace dictates for you, rather than creating something on purpose that makes a difference for you or your company or your customers that can be scaled and have a both a purposeful and a profitable business. If you think about the most successful businesses in the world, they're ones that are creating something unique. They're not responding to the changes of the marketplace. They're creating something. And I think creating can. It really only comes from a place of abundance. It doesn't come from a place of scarcity. And this is actually just my way of trying to button up this very spiritual conversation into something that is practical. Because this is a weird experience for me to have that kind of a shift. And at the same time it feels like the most meaningful shift I've probably ever had in my life.

And I love how your head struggles with it. I love how you're, you're. Yeah, I wish there was a more logical way to.

I really do.

And I love that you can't retreat into the metaphoric computer room, your head the way you used to. I like how there's like, there's a different reality to this. It's a very feeling based experience, this one. So I like how it's like, well, okay, the computer door is kind of shut now and I've got to be in the cafeteria and there's something there that the computer room doesn't offer. I think something being in our bodies that our head doesn't offer. I love what you said and I think true creativity absolutely is found when we're not under the stress response of running out of fear. What do you want governing your life? Happiness or fear? I'm enough or I'm not enough? And appreciate you sharing, brother. And you mentioned the word practical. I just really want to highlight one of the most practical things that I'm taking from this conversation that I think is an absolutely unsexy yet, golden nugget for everybody. You felt your pain, and I doubt you're done with it yet. You mentioned grieving, mourning. So you started feeling the pain that you abandoned when you were in eighth grade, that you. Okay, I won't go into the cafeteria because that's where I get in touch with my pain. So I truly do believe that feeling our feelings is how we heal them.

Why do you think that is, jp? Is that because that's where we store them? I mean, I think I agree with you, but I don't know why.

Well.

Let me slam down my cup and tell you how it is. Yeah.

Ryan, you sit down. Listen up, bro. And I'm going to my head on this one. I don't know how else to explain it yet. Hopefully it speaks to a reality that is beneficial. When we look at the word emotion, E, motion stands for energy and motion. And I think when our emotions, our energy in motion is in fact in motion, it's healthy. Doesn't always feel good. Like, sadness doesn't feel good, shame doesn't feel good, happiness feels good. But regardless, when our feelings are in motion, we're feeling them and we're aware of them. And I think that's healthy. I don't think there's any unhealthy emotions. I think when we react to our emotions by essentially strangulating them and constipating them, I think that is unhealthy. So how we avoid our emotions can be very unhealthy. And I think it's much like food. In our digestive system, when the food is moving, we're pretty healthy. I mean, it doesn't move through instantaneously, but it'll take 12 to 24 hours to get through the stomach, the small intestine, the large intestine, and out into our, hopefully, toilet. But it's moving along. I think that's a pretty healthy process. And in our digestive tract, when the food gets stuck now, we might not be aware it's stuck. We might forget we had barbecue two weeks ago that's been stuck. We haven't pooped out, out of sight, out of mind, don't even feel it, at least not initially. And I think our emotions are that way, too. When the energy in motion is no longer in motion, it's energy that's just stuck there. It's like too much voltage. And in the physiological area that it's in.

Do you think we physically store that energy somewhere?

I do. You look at an old cassette tape, it's something as simple as plastic and magnetism. And it can store a lot of information, you know, sound or a videotape. And I think our bodies are significantly more complex than a VHS tape or a cassette tape. And. And therefore, I do think we can very easily record like we are the recording device that expresses our life. And hopefully what's being recorded today is the tape rolls and it gets recycled into something new. We have our emotional bowel movement. I know for myself when I'm stressed and not dealing with it, when there's issues I have not dealing with it, I get tight. And I think that's our muscles physically contracting to essentially strangulate and constipate our feelings, our emotions, so we don't have to feel them. So with that said, whether it was earlier today, yesterday, yesteryear, or a few decades ago, when there was an emotion that we started to strangulate, it became constipated, I think that really starts to work against us. But when we can connect to it and start feeling the feeling that we weren't feeling, but it's there now, I think why that's healing is the energy that was stuck of the emotion is now becoming e motion again. That's energy being put back in motion. The shitty part about that is because it's in motion now, we can feel it. But the feeling is the evidence of healing. It's like, okay, now the emotion's moving through my psychological digestive system track. It's much like if you or I put our hand on this table and we didn't move our hand, after a few minutes, we lose awareness of the table. But if we keep moving our hand over the table, the movement allows us to have the awareness of what we're actually feeling. But if the table's there, our hand's not moving, table's still there. The sensation is. The potential of it's there. We're just not very aware of it.

That's my delusional opinion on your question about does feeling our feelings actually heal them?

I don't know what the case is, but I do know that since I've kind of grieved that feeling that I had somehow stuffed down from.

Many years of operating from not being enough, it's now. I stopped saying gone because there's always the chance that two weeks from now, I could be operating in the exact same way and going back to that pattern. But I feel like it's at least relaxed and I'm now aware of that pattern. So if and when it comes up again, it's like, oh, there it is. Again, I can deal with this in the moment. Rather than structure my life to try and satisfy this, which is exactly what I did, I was literally structuring my life to try and satisfy a need to be valuable or the need to be loved. I literally was going to the gym, structuring a diet, building businesses, cultivating relationships that would convince me and others that I was valuable and worthy of love. And because that is a belief, not a reality, no amount of accomplishment could satisfy that. None. And it would just make the mountain that much higher. When I did accomplish those things, when I got the fittest I ever was, I was probably more self conscious about my body because now there was more to lose.

More to lose.

And when I was the richest I ever was, I was probably more worried about money than I had ever been because there was more to lose. And the gap between me where I was and being enough was higher. And seeing how ridiculous that game is that we play, you just decided to stop playing the game. Did you read the book the Game by Neil Strauss?

No.

The pickup artist book I know of? Yeah.

I don't know how to read.

I see. So it's actually one of my favorite books. Pretty much all my favorite books are written by Neil Strauss. I think he's the greatest living writer. And Neil Strauss says at the end of the game that to win the game was to leave it. Now, what he meant in that context was that to win the game of pickup, to win the game of picking up chicks was to opt out and to date the one that he liked best, to give up the game. I have applied that same philosophy to all these other games that we play of value and meaning. For example.

We are constantly playing this comparison game of who's fitter than me, who has more status than me, who has more followers than me, who has more money than me. It's a comparison game of trying to stack yourself up against the rest of the herd. The only way you win that game is by opting out of that game.

Yeah.

The only way you win that game is to say I am not going to be defined by the rules of that game. To win that game is to leave it. It's the same thing with money. For example, I come from the entrepreneurial circles where people play the I'm making this much money per month, I'm making this much money a month. I one time made this much money per day. And I'm going to tell everybody that I'm the 100k a day guy, Right? And I'm going to sell Books about how I'm the 100k a day guy and people are constantly playing, well, that guy makes more money than me, so I'm going to follow his system. That guy's doing that. Wow. The only way you win that game is to stop playing that game, is to opt out of that game. I'm not going to let my value be determined by this external metric that somebody else says they are doing in order to get status in the room. You never win that game because the minute you win that game, somebody's got better abs than you, for sure. And the minute you win that game, somebody is more spiritual than you. And the minute you win that game, somebody's more vegan than you. Like whatever bullshit metric we're putting on.

It, someone's more Jeff Bezos than you.

And you never win until you leave the game. And I knew that intellectually, while not knowing that the game was running my life.

Yeah. And not knowing you were playing the game. And some of the wise questions that I'm going to take away from this conversation and hopefully re ask myself on a regular basis is what game am I playing and can I recognize it? And how can I step out of the game? And what do I need to do inside in order to step out of the game? Because of course, I think the games we play on the outside are truly just a mirror of the bullshit games we play on the inside. But thank God we play them on the outside or else how the hell would we ever find them? Because you know, they're pretty darn invisible inside. But we can start to notice. Here's the shit I'm doing on the outside. But how can I step out of playing the game? Or at the very least, stop self identifying with the Mario character that I'm playing in the game, Realize I am not him. Maybe I'll still participate in these activities, but my life isn't this game anymore.

And I have to ask my friend, how are you relearning that you're valuable if it's not through entrepreneurism, Instagramism, fitnessism? How are you relearning reeducating yourself that you are valuable being you?

I am fortunate to have a three year old girl.

And her name is Esther. And if my baby girl.

Came up to me and said that she didn't feel like she was valuable, I'd be a wreck. I have failed as a parent. If she feels like she has to look a certain way, earn a certain amount, have a certain number of Instagram followers, Esther, don't get instagram.

You are banned from Instagram.

And I don't think she listens to my podcast.

She actually asks about you regularly, which is awesome. If she has to do anything to be valuable, I am a failure as a father.

And I tell her every night before she goes to bed, there is nothing you could ever do to make me love you less.

And I am an imperfect parent. I have my own flaws. And I love that little girl.

For no other reason than for the fact that she exists.

She doesn't need to do a damn thing. She doesn't need to have any job. She doesn't need to do anything to make me happy. She brings me joy because she exists.

Yeah.

If she causes harm.

Like she did when she was kicking me in the middle of the night or when she was screaming, I have my negative reactions, my negative emotions to her. But I don't need her to do anything to be valuable.

And so.

Feeling that love for my child.

Has given me permission to love myself in the same way.

Because I realize that if we're all from the same source, we're all from the same love.

Greenland.

Yeah.

Then I have the same value, even if I'm sitting on the couch watching Netflix all day.

And there are better and worse activities, like when Esther is screaming, I don't like it as much as when she says funny things or gives me a hug. But that doesn't mean that her value is any different. So there might be positive and negative activities that bring joy to other people, but it doesn't mean that your value or your capacity to be loved is any different. I'd say there's nothing that she could do to make me love her less or more. And so if that's the case, then our value is the same no matter what. We can't change it. No amount of money can make it more or less.

And so the way that I practice that feeling is by loving my daughter in the way that I know how to love my daughter and letting that carry to other people too. And recognizing that I have relationships that exist because I'm horse trading, I'm really in that relationship because I'm trying to get something that's not love, right? That is selfishness. And when I think about it in the same way of me loving my daughter and applying that to other relationships, that's how I practice.

Feeling and expressing the same self love that I am giving myself, which is that I am loved the same no matter what.

And letting your 3 year old Esther be our greatest teacher. Something I see about your relationship with her is you spend a lot of time connecting with her and now apply that to the doctrine of thyself. I think that reminds us of the wisdom of take time to connect with yourself the way you connect to Esther. And I think for a lot of us, that could be. We take a little time to meditate. We take a little time to feel our freaking feelings, much like you would take time to connect to the child that you love unconditionally. You need connection with that inherent unconditional value. You need time to connect so you can sort of like re realize the connection on a regular basis. And I think we need that time to connect to our inherent value very regularly, because otherwise there we are still super freaking valuable, but we lose connection with it. So we then start falling into pretending that we're not. But when we can reconnect to, okay, I'm meditating a little bit, taking a little self time, self care. That is the connection to our unconditional value that's inherent within my delusional opinion.

I would like to tell you a story that will make me sound like a crazy person. May I proceed?

Man, I love any story that starts that way.

I wrote a blog post about this that I never published because I was afraid it would just make me look like a crazy person. So I'm going to do it here today with JP Sears.

Man, your voice is already creeping me out, which makes me love you more.

So I have experienced challenges with loneliness.

And I have become aware of that, just like I've become aware of my workaholism in the last year and a half. So it's something that I have been practicing or exploring. And maybe eight months ago, maybe a little bit longer, I felt kind of that twinge. I felt it come up, and instead of running from it like I normally would do, I decided, all right, I'm just gonna. I'm gonna explore this. Just gonna sit with this.

And I won't confess to taking illegal substances that were grown in the earth in order to explore this. But if I had taken some things that would make me explore this, I just said that they're effective at making me go forced into my emotions.

So I didn't. But had I done that, this is what would have happened. I explored that emotion very deeply. And I had this, like, internal voice that was just like chatter in my brain.

And it just kept like, you know, that internal chatty voice that's going all the time in our brain. And then a different part of my brain was like, why can't I shut off my brain.

And I literally started these two parts of my brain. I started having a conversation with myself. I'm like, why can't I turn off my brain? And the chatty part of my brain is like, this is my job. This is my job. I'm here to chat. I'm going to chat and chat and chat. Everyone's like, will you please stop talking? And then I literally had, like, a third voice pop up. Third voice in my head goes, great, now I'm having a conversation with the voices in my head. I am a ridiculous person. And I recognize how ridiculous I'm being by letting the different voices be in my head chat with themselves. And chattybox pops up, and he's like, this is my job. And I said to myself, what do you mean, this is your job? And chattybox says, my job is to keep you distracted. Keep me distracted from what? I'm here to distract you from your pain. Now, remember, I was feeling. I felt that twinge of loneliness, and I was kind of exploring that feeling of being lonely.

And you might say that I then had what some would call a psychedelic experience.

That experience was like, I followed. I already feel like a crazy person sharing the story with you.

I love it. You got to get crazy to find your sanity.

All right, we're going to go there. So I start having this vision in my mind that I'm following chattybox behind a curtain, and the curtain was my brain and my memories. And he takes me on a journey, and I see all these file folders, thousands upon thousands of file folders. And chattybox says, these are all of your memories. These are all the things you're storing. This is every thought, feeling that you've ever stored. Go ahead and pick one up. And I walk over, and I pick up this file folder, and I open it up, and inside are the pictures of the house I grew up in. 5823 Wickfield Drive.

And I hear there's so much pain there. Like, what are you talking about? I had a perfectly happy childhood. And I start rummaging through the pictures, and I'm looking at pictures of me alone in my room while my parents were fighting. I'm starting to see me pulling away when I felt scared or when my parents split, of me locking myself up in my room or me coming home to an empty house. And I'm replaying these feelings in which I isolated myself when I felt alone, and that feeling of loneliness that I was resisting. And I heard chattybox say.

My job is to keep you from feeling that way.

And I put the file folder away and I said, I want to go further. I want to go deeper. And he said, you've seen enough for tonight.

And of course, this is just a silly thing, like I'm, you know, playing in my brain on some substances that may or may not be legal. I'm not sure what they are and how they're classified in my state, but I remember saying, in this dreamlike state, will I ever see you again? He said, you'll see me every day when someone has their nose in their phone. You'll see me every day when you see people arguing about politics. We exist in all minds in order to distract people from the things that they're avoiding.

And so what I took away from that was, we all have strategies of avoiding the feelings that we've stored. Why do you think we're addicted to our phones? We're doing them because we're distracting ourselves from something that we don't want to connect with. I don't know if you've ever seen Louis CK talk about. He pulls out his phone because he felt the twinge of sadness, like, I gotta check my email. Or you could just be with it and you feel the feelings, and then like antibodies, your body deals with it and brings in what's on the other side of that pain. And so I tell you that really, woo, woo, crazy story that makes me feel really vulnerable, like I'm an idiot for experiencing this. I tell you all of this because as a way of practicing that feeling of being enough, that feeling of love, the way to kill that the fastest is to go into the behaviors that keep us distracted and comparing ourselves with just things like social media, our phones, watching the news, arguing about stupid things that some celebrity or politician did or did not do or say, and making it mean something about it ourselves. That is the fastest way to lose touch with the reality that you are complete exactly as you are, and you need to accomplish nothing except that which you choose to pursue and accomplish. That's how I practice it by I really want to, like, check the phone. And I know that I want to check the phone because there's something that I'm in resistance to in this moment. There's some immediate need to want to compare myself to the number of followers that Lewis Howes has versus the number of followers I have, or what this person's relationship looks like versus my own relationship or that person's business versus my own business.

Yeah, to me, that's in line with the old proverb that says the only cure for loneliness is solitude.

Anything else perpetuates the loneliness. Grabbing the phone and I get that anxiety, too, like, oh, I gotta go have a bowel movement and let me grab my phone. And sometimes I'll make the conscious choice of no, just me going in to do my duty alone. And there's anxiousness.

Anxiousness can help you poop, though, for sure.

But there's entering the solitude of loneliness.

This.

It's like, okay, that is the cure. Avoiding it is maybe what makes it worse. It's just like, you keep itching, you know, the. The rash or keep playing with the cut. The gash is never going to heal if you keep messing with it. And I appreciate you sharing what, to me sounds like an absolutely crazy story relative to how a lot of us live in a disconnected state where we never truly introspect our minds and what we carry. So, relatively speaking, of course, that's a very crazy story. You're a little against the hurt on that one, brother. And we would lock you up in a straight jacket right now, except the straight jacket doesn't fit you. So we'll let you be free for another little while, my friend. I have gotten so much benefit out of you just openly sharing the way you have. And I'll say I am surprised and thrilled simultaneously that we got to dive down this rabbit hole. I had no expectation that you'd allow us to go just so unapologetically deep down the rabbit hole of you and what you're working on that I think everybody can relate to. So I appreciate you giving me the gift of witnessing you. I truly feel more enriched because of it. I feel more inspired because of it. I want to do more of this for myself because of how I've experienced you model it for me.

Well, thank you. Because you challenged me once to try and provide as little value as possible on a podcast episode, and I feel like I did that today. And I'm so used to being like, here are the three steps to yeah. And it's so uncomfortable for me to practice just the complete vulnerability. And at the same time, it's the maybe the most freeing experience I've ever had.

I love that. And there's the paradox where my own interpretation, what your head says is the least value, I'm just going to be vulnerable, not going to give three tips for better whatever, but that provides the most value. I think the value of the heart is priceless, but it looks worthless to our heads sometimes. So I really love how you allowed the pricelessness to come out. And then one of the principles that my wife's friend Brandon Hawk has encouraged me to live by and I just want to encourage anyone and everybody to live this way. Follow your heart and speak from your heart.

So unapologetically true that it offends your mind. Let your mind feel valueless so that you can let your heart express the real value. Anyway, I'm rambling, brother. Where's the best place for people to find you online?

My website's capitalism.com, my Instagram is ryandaniel Moran and if you like my posts, I'll feel valuable about myself. I have a podcast called the 1%.

It's about pursuing top 1% in all areas of life, which I'm sure is an egoic pursuit of feeling not valuable and has become much more heart centered lately, which is a very, very weird paradox.

And you can find that wherever podcasts are sold.

Absolutely. I love how you're letting yourself live the transition in your business life, how you're letting the face of your podcast change. I think it mirrors how you're doing it in your personal life and that's called congruency. I think that's so admirable, brother. Thank you for being you and thank you for sharing you with me and us.

Thanks jp. It's a pleasure being here.

Hey guys, hope you enjoyed this episode today with jp. I know it's pretty, pretty different from some of the stuff we talk about here on the show, so I'd love to hear your thoughts if you want to shoot me a DM on Instagram. I'm Ryandaniel Moran. I would really appreciate your thoughts. JP's podcast is called Awaken with JP Sears. You can subscribe to that wherever podcasts are sold and you can grab tickets for the event that we're both hosting, the capitalism conference@thecapitalismconference.com it's in January in Texas and I hope to see you there. And if you aren't, then JP and I will make fun of you from stage. We'll see you this January. Thanks for listening to the show. Share it with an entrepreneur who you think would find value in it. Talk to you soon.

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