You’re Not Broken: How To Create Your Perfect Abundant Life w/ Chris Duncan #MindsetSeries

Chris Duncan, I've been so excited to meet you. I've been so excited to chat with you. I loved the book, you're Not Broken. And I just want to tell you, I told a friend of mine that I felt like it was the missing piece to my personal development work. It sort of tied a lot of things together. You're nodding like you get that a lot.

Wow, thank you so much. That's what it was for me too. You know, one of the things about that book is it's, it's the, the work isn't necessarily mine. It's a combination of what I picked up and learned in order to, you know, finally get it. And I remember having that experience, like, wow, wow, now that's it, I've got it all.

And I want to go into what that is. But to kick things off, I was hoping you could tell the story about meeting the two men who were fishing and how that impacted your perspective moving forward.

Wow. Yeah. Thank you so much. And hey, it's such a pleasure to be here with you, Ryan. I've seen your work and everything you're doing around and it's a like, you know, like attracts like. I'm grateful to be here. So, you know, mate, it was a really interesting experience. It was like a early Tuesday morning. I just flown, I live in Australia, so I just flown back from Singapore for a speaking engagement. At that time I, I had an education company, a digital marketing agency. I had three gyms, one in Canada, two here. I had two hair salons. Gosh, I'm sure there was something else happening as well. There was, there was something, a personal development business. I had all this stuff happening and I come back and you know, I was exhausted and it was a Tuesday morning. I was like, I just want to go for a walk. Then I opened some mail because I'd been away for a while, hence in my wife and in the mail I missed something in my tax and I had this, this extra, like, I don't know, six figure tax bill that I had to deal with. And I'm like, I the money. But you know, no one wants to just go pay this extra thing you didn't know of. And so, you know, and I was exhausted and I was gone. I was going for the walk and this was sort of, you know, this is what, seven, six, seven years ago. And at that time, you know, I was really big on all the social media. My life looked great to everyone else. I was an international speaker and big audience, like, look great, but I'm on The inside, just having the worst time, you know. And so I go for this walk, and as you said, I sit down on this beautiful park beach, live in the Gold coast in Australia. Magical place. Magical. You should come out sometime. It's just. It's incredible. So sitting there, and I'm like, bit of peace and quiet, process this. And he's noisy. Two old men start making their way along the boardwalk, and I'm thinking, oh, my God.

Just.

I just want a bit of peace and quiet. Anyway, they come along and. And they just look homeless and like. And that these fishermen, and they happen to just park right next to me when I park. They park themselves. They start fishing, and they start talking, and, you know, the conversation is going along the lines of just how grateful they are for their day. And, you know, it makes sense. They were fishing yesterday, they're going to do it tomorrow, and that's what their life is. And I'm judging them. I'm like, you. You know, you guys are doing nothing, and, you know, you're not adding any value to the world and everything else. And then they're talking. I don't know whether they get a sense that I'm judging them or something, but they start saying, yeah, not like all those pencil pushers stuck in the office. And they start talking about all of this. And so I'm listening, and I'm. And I'm frustrated. And then I realized that these guys have more freedom than me, making millions of dollars a month with all of this staff, and I realized they actually have more freedom than me. And I don't know what they did for. For, you know, I don't know, but I did. I know that they hadn't, like, gone and sold a company and retired. And so here I am, Ryan, like, preaching financial freedom. Back then, my podcast was called the Total Freedom Podcast.

And I had all the ability to have the freedom, but there they were, and I made this decision, and that's a crazy decision. And I just realized right then, I said, you know what? I could have more freedom of $5,000 a month with two consulting clients than I have right now. And right then and there, I said, the most important thing is that I actually live what it is I want. And within, like, three months, man, I sold. Like, I just sold up. I gave businesses away. I streamlined right back. And it was a really profound moment for me because I got that real sense of less is more.

So you see these two fishermen, I think, in one, either your book or in one of your videos, you referred to them as they appeared homeless, they could have been homeless.

And you know anything about their life, but you can tell that they're actually doing what they want. You are in the pursuit of the state of life where you could do what you want. That's what we call freedom. But they were actually in freedom. They were doing what they wanted. So that was the time that you shifted over into consciously creating your life. And the book that I read, right before I read you're Not Broken was William White Cloud's the Magician's Way. And then you referenced that book in you're Not Broken. I was hoping you could share what you learned from William White Cloud that ultimately inspired the next chapter of your life.

Yeah, well, William, amazing, amazing friend. I should speak to him every single week. And.

What I learned from Will is the power of creative focus. The power of creative focus. And so I'll tell you a quick story if you like. So for me, whenever I went to a personal development conference or something like that, you know, it was flashy, it was well put together. There'd be slides, there would be, you know, welcoming. There's a workbook, it's organized. It's amazing. To me, that was, you know, how you are if you're a pro. And I've known William for about eight years before I ever went into any of his work. We sat together at a conference. We got to know each other that way. And then I went and I turned up and he invited me and I'll never forget turning up. And we had to grab our own seat from the back. There was no, no projector. There was no air conditioning. He didn't have a whiteboard. He sat behind a desk. He was wearing. Just like, he wasn't dressed up. He didn't try at all. Throughout the seminar, you know, he swore it got hot at one of the days. It was amazing. One of the days because it was in a, like a, A really, like a surf life saving club. One of the days, uh, we, we had to leave early because there was a function coming on in. So, you know, imagine all these people made thousands of dollars for Venus. Like, yeah, guys, we have to leave early today. So you're just going to have to finish the work outside for someone else who's coming in to use the space. And like, it was like it was just so in my mind, like so not what it needed to be. But by his creative focus, I'd seen more profound shifts in that than I'd ever seen before because he just held the end result and he lived the end result that the shift and the change would happen. And he didn't need to be a certain way. I was too busy trying to be a certain way. I needed to wear the right stuff, I needed to say the right things. I needed to be everything else to be able to have it. Will just held the end result. And to be that in the magician's way, that's the most profound thing. Like a magician can just hold the end result and doesn't try to fix himself, doesn't try to be something, doesn't try to do. Because there's these two worlds you live in. It's like either you live in the end result, the end created, finished project of how you want it to to be, and you be it to see it, or you try to be everything else in order to have that. I'm not smart enough. I need to get smarter. I need to do this. And this just wastes all this time. And so Will's no dummy. He's a very intelligent. He would have known all of these things are happening. He knows that, but he just holds that end result. And that was actually even more profound than the book is going to want to go into that and noticing that. And so what I noticed you. So you reflect that mirror back to the fisherman story is the fishermen were just in their end result. They were just focused on having it where I was too busy trying to have it, you know? Yeah. You get it?

Yeah. So what friend of mine asked me to summarize, you're not broken. Like what's the book about? And the. My summary of it is that most of us think about what we want and we feel income, we feel bad in comparison to where we currently are and we see all the issues that are preventing us from getting to where we want to go. And so we start addressing the things that are holding us back. I believe this. This happened to me. This is where I'm struggling. This is what I'm trying to address. Whereas your approach after synthesizing all of these different modalities is that you can think about what you want and just make decisions that are creatively moving you toward those visions. You don't have to go back and revisit all that stuff. You can just see what comes up for you, clear that in alignment with where you're trying to go. And that is the work. And I wanted to get your feedback on how accurate you would say that summary is brilliant. Belief, process.

It's brilliant. I love it. You know, I feel that there's two worlds you can Live in. You can live in a creative focused world or problem focused world. Now, through our work, we've helped people recreate their bodies, regain eyesight when they were blind, have tumors disappear, diabetes, all these amazing, just unbelievable stuff. But we never work on the problem. The number one problem with personal development is unfortunately, it teaches your unconscious ideas.

Are you addressing a problem by highlighting a problem?

Well, the thing is that.

Awareness of how it is helps you to then shift to what it is that you're going to.

I'm just playing with it, Chris.

Yeah, yeah, but it's a good point. But really it's a really big thing is personal development. And the problem reality actually doesn't work. And here's why it doesn't work is the unconscious takes everything as suggestion. Okay, so if I'm in a creative reality and I want to create confidence as I tune into confidence, then I can shift everything that's in the way, anxiety. But what happens at the end is I'm finished with confidence. But if I sit here and I go, I need to get rid of anxiety and I need to fix this, and I need to fix this, you will shift it. But because the universe abhors a void, there can't be a nothing. So the only thing that's left, if you go and do a healing, you focus on the healing, you do the healing, you do the shift, you get rid of the problem if the problem's no longer there. The only thing that you taught your unconscious is that you need to go find problems and fix them. And this is called the problem reality because it has to go, energy has to go somewhere. And you know, one of our great, great things that we balance this all on and sit on is that, you know, energy takes the path of least resistance. And so if you are in a creative reality and say, so now we have, you know, I have a total, I have total freedom and I have over, you know, a 20 something million dollar company. And it's amazing, but we focus on creating it how we want it to be. So the creative structure is the key. So you did a great job. And I just think that the biggest things that everyone must understand is that unless you live in a creative structure first, no matter what great, amazing modality you use, all you will do is teach your unconscious that you're actually broken and need to go find more things to fix yourself. And so what happen, you find somebody after years and years and years and years and years, they're just finding the next health problem that they need to fix. You know, they Feel a little bit sad. So they get therapy, then they change their diet, then they do this. And every single one of these are a good thing. But there's one common theme. I'm broken and this must fix me. And this must fix me. And this must fix me. They're just looking at problems. And you know, if you pick up one side of the pen, you got to pick up the other side, you know. So if you're somebody that fixes problems, we better always have problems. Otherwise who are you? And then you build a whole identity around it. It's become a problem solver. And you know, 20 or 30 years pass and you see a person that's just been to every personal development conference. They've got, you know, they've got a list of everything that they've studied and tried and done and they still don't have what they want because the only thing that they decided was they need to fix themselves.

So yeah, so let's play with this with a couple of examples. So you're talking to an entrepreneur. I'm thinking of an entrepreneur in my mind right now who is, you know, my work is helping people build their first million dollar business and then scale and sell from there. So you have an entrepreneur who has done all the products, all the courses, all of the seminars, gone to the conferences and is still stuck doing 20k a month, barely profitable, if at all. And they're saying, I know as much as all these other people, what do I need? Like what do I need to change? That person would go through and go to the next seminar and they might have a breakthrough, but they're still seeing the next problem, the next roadblock that they're going to run into. I get that, but what would you say that that person should do differently? What would this state of creation be for that person in the context of building a million dollar business?

I love it. Well, first off, one of the points that I would, would, would suggest is, you know, and you would have seen this in the book, one of the focus points of actually what we call a negative vision. One of them is creation by limitation. And so I would ask them, well, is it 950k? Is it 1.2 million? What's the real truth? What do you really want? And they'll realize that the million doesn't really matter. There's something else that matters even more than that. So they might change it. So I, you know, I like million as a milestone, but they might change it to a super profitable business that I love.

Because when they are when they get into a super profitable business that they love is something that is expensive and fun and filling and it's got that I love in it.

So that is the beautiful distinction, Chris. And I just want. I just want to say that back how I understood it, because what you're saying is the million is a great benchmark, but it's also a limitation because it doesn't address what the individual actually wants, which is something that they love, that is super profitable. So if we don't address what the underlying true desire is, then the million is just going to be another roadblock. It's just going to create more limitations and problems. Is that what you're saying?

Yeah, that's a part of it. Let me add to it as well. So I've got a thing called a negative vision. And a negative vision is a vision that's actually designed to fix a part of us.

That feels broken, but we don't see it that way. So, for example, why is it a million? And they say, because if I do a million, then I'll be. I'll prove to my dad or I'll be valid in the world. Because. Because it doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't it be a million and a half? Or why wouldn't it be 850? There's no sense.

I'll prove to myself that I'm a good entrepreneur. I'll prove.

There you go.

That this wasn't all a failure. I'll prove to myself that this was all worth it.

So there's six. There's six that we see. We've worked now with about 12 million people through our small programs and two and a half thousand people in our mastermind. There's six common patterns that you see. The first one is I'm not worthy. So they say I'm not worthy. If I do this, I will then feel worthy. So then they'll say I'm worthy of love of my mom or my dad or which I'll be worthy of. And so they don't want the goal, they want that or allow them to feel worthy. Okay, now check this out. If you have an identity of not worthy and chasing worthy, if you're ever able to have that goal which equals worthy, and you've lived a whole life is not worthy, well, then who are you?

If you live 30 years as I'm not worthy and I'm going to try to create worthy, and then this is what will create worthy for me, and then you create it, well, all of a sudden the unconscious goes, I Won't know who I am. I won't know who I am. So as soon as you get close to it, it finds as many reasons to go create other unworthy, because unworthy is safe. Okay, I'll get to the other five in a second. But just, just stick with this or for all the listeners really hear, this is the first thing that a human being must do, is learn to survive. To belong to their family is the number one thing that a small baby human must do. If you don't belong to the people that give you food and shelter and water, you are in big trouble. So whatever experience that you come into, you code that up as belonging. Anything that is against that is absolutely scary to the unconscious mind. So one of the things that the unconscious does is as it comes down into it and we go here and we start having a human experience, we realize, we say, I don't have it all. There are things I can do that get more love and praise and worth and all these things. And then there's things I can do that I get told off, I get punished, I can get less. And so we make up an idea. This creates worth and this creates less. And I, since I, since I can do something to get worth, since I can do something to get worth, to feel praised, well, then I inherently must be unworthy. Unworthy. So this person designs their whole life in the chase and the pursuit of things that will make them feel worthy, knowing they can never, ever, ever have it. And so my amazing superconscious device here, this is how their life looks. They start here in the current reality and they go and focus on what it is that they want to create. And they always find themselves bouncing back and they go for it and they bounce back because the underlying premise was I'm not worthy and I'm going to create this. Okay? So the difference is this.

Is there's a whole heap of ways to make sure you're in what we call a true choice. And Ryan, there's only one reason for a true choice. There's no other reason. There's only one reason, and that is because I would love to have it. So if someone says to me, chris, I'm choosing a million dollar business, I'd say, why is it a million? They say, oh, because if it was a million, say, well, how about this? What you would really love probably is I choose more money than I can spend. Or they might like the choice of, I choose a business I love every day, super profitable business I love. That's what you really want. Whether it's a million or 5 or 10 or 15, as long as it's something you love and makes you more money, that's what you really want. So anyway, to answer your question, the first thing that this entrepreneur must do is, is they must get into a true choice, not a negative vision, whatever that is for them, a true choice. And so most of us are stuck trying to fix a way that we feel incomplete by putting visions that we think will solve it in an unending quest to gain what we feel like we lost in childhood.

Yeah, we really start to set goals instead of making choices. And what you're saying is the goal of this weight or body fat percentage or this amount of followers, these ego metrics through which we compare ourselves are often done from the negative creation. It's done from a place of actually trying to fix a problem. And that problem is whatever that feeling or emotion that is underlying that you are trying to overcome. And when you do that, that your brain will sabotage because it's actually creating an unsafe environment. Is that a fair summary?

Correct. Correct. So there's five others, just so that the list is us. And they're going, oh gosh, what are the other five? So the first one is I'm not worthy. And I'm going to try to create this to become worthy, never being able to have it. The second is, I'm not good enough. I'm going to prove to the world. A lot of entrepreneurs are actually trying to prove to the world, I'm going to prove how good I am. They can never have anything that they code up as proving, so they just keep making it bigger. The third one is I don't belong. They have a feeling of not belonging. And this person struggles the most with rejection. So they're actually going to belong. They actually want to belong. And anytime they try to go for something, it feels like anyone rejects that thing. They have to go and do something else. The next is, I'm insignificant. So I'm insignificant. I'm going to do this. And now I'm seeing invisible and significant. The next is, I'm not capable. So this person doesn't feel like that. This person is always getting more. They never have enough money, enough time, enough knowledge, enough. They don't have enough of something. And the last one is, I'm not perfect. This person goes, well, I really want to have this. And if I had this, I would finally be perfect. And so here's the, you know, the human story, unless we rise to superconscious awareness, the human story is I have this underlying assumption about myself and there's something missing. Whether it's perfection or belonging or capability. If I could create this thing, this is the deceit. If I could just have this, then none of this would be a problem anymore and I'd return to being whole. But the problem is, as we go for it, this whole way of being safe with our family would have to completely drop away. We get to about here in the middle, and right here, the unconscious starts going. This is really scary and unsafe. So it creates all sorts of things. It can create what we call an outside event. So some people I talk to, brother, every time they try to really get close to what they want, someone in their family gets sick. Another person, they are the one that gets sick. Another person, they have a business partner always let them down. Another person, something, something in the legal system, something in the, you know, oh, Chris, I was about to have it all, and then I got the Google slap. Something comes in, right? Or something happens in here. I just don't want it anymore. I get this all the time. And I'm like, was that person that started and did all that for all that time that was going to be an entrepreneur and now you're about to have it, you don't want it anymore? Are you kidding me? Was that person an idiot? So they start lying to themselves, and then all these things happen, right? So then they have the assumption, and this is where it gets really interesting. They get about halfway, the unconscious starts kicking up all of these things because it's scared that you're going to finally let go of your safety pack happening, get scared. Then it goes, I don't feel good. All of a sudden, all of these, I don't feel good. So it races to therapy, personal development, you know, now ayahuasca or MDMA therapy, or go to do mushrooms. Race to all of these.

As they race to go do all these things, the unconscious is always listening. So that teaching the unconscious, I must go fix myself. They go over here. They feel good for a little bit, but guess what? Now they're back at point A again.

So guess what?

The goal comes back again. Guess what? Oh, that's going to make me feel good enough. That's going to make me belong. I'll go for that. I'll go for that. I'll go for that. Unconscious starts freaking out, you're no longer going to belong if you don't have that. You know, I better go fix it. And then they end up back here, which we talk about in the book. A Lot. And so the antidote and sorry to talk so much, but I'm so passionate, so grateful to be here. The antidote is the way we start. That comes back to what you asked. The antidote is that you realize that you actually have it all now. And you realize that two fishermen have the freedom already. And Chris Duncan, if you want to go have the freedom right now, you can go and have that. Go and have it. You have got it now, brother. You got it now. And when you realize you can have all the health you want right now, all the fun, the freedom, the joy, the abundance, you can have it all now. And you go, I've got it now. I'm worthy now. I'm already all of it. I'm already whole. We call this the magnetic moment and opening the wizard's gate, which is when you realize you've got it all already. And you go, okay, now, if I have it all already.

What would I just love to create?

So, Chris, I want to interject here because there's a question that's just popping off the screen here. And it's when you say that that magic moment or that magnetic moment is that you have it now, what is it? Is it the circumstance that you want to create or is it the underlying emotion that is the contrast to these six?

There's no contrast. Yeah. So first off, there's no contrast, but yeah, but yes, the rest of it is, the answer is yes, it's that you don't really want the business. You want to feel proud of yourself. You don't really want, you know, so I've got these silly plaques we talked about. I love it. Russell Brunson. Well done. Awesome stuff. So when I, when I created these, right, like, you know, you know, I wanted to show I didn't really want that. I wanted to feel that I was good at something. I wanted to feel these things. Everything that we think we want, we can actually have right now. That's the key.

I really want to emphasize this point because the first thing that I hear you say when you say, like, realize you have it now, as I'm thinking about that person that wants the million dollar business. Because if, because somebody reads a personal development book or a law of attraction book and says, believe that you'll have it and you'll have it, that person says, but I don't have a million dollar business. Ryan Daniel Moran. I don't have it. So now I'm fooling myself. So what is that person practice instead of pretending they have a million dollar business when they don't.

Yeah. Thank you. So let's really clarify. First off, everything in the physical is created first in the invisible, from this computer to these headphones to an iPhone to. Is all in the invisible. Everything's first in the invisible. There can be. You could line up 20 different people that all have a million dollars cash.

And every single one of them will have a different experience of that.

And whatever that experience of that, they are allowed to and can have that right now before they even have it.

What do you mean by they have an experience of it?

Well, I might experience the ability of choice. Someone else might experience the ability of safety. Someone else might have the experience of fun. Someone else might have the experience of gratitude or joy of confidence of. Yeah, whatever it is that is what you're actually wanting. The million is just the reason or the excuse, the vehicle, the thing, you know, that we have plucked out of the ether to decide that that's what's going to allow us to have it. Which is a lie. Because if you've never practiced having it, if you've never practiced actually having it, you're unconscious. Doesn't feel that it's safe. And if it doesn't feel that it's safe or survivable, it will never allow you to keep whatever it is you attach to that. So you have it now by being it. So someone says to me, chris, well, I say, so what if you had all the money in the world? What is it that you truly do right now? Stop. Like, if you listen to this, stop and pause the thing, go, hey, I had all the money in the world, let's say $10,000 a day, just coming into your bank account every single day. 10 grand every day. And the only thing you're allowed to do is not give it away. What would you do? How would you feel? Right. What would you actually do with that? And what would that allow you to be? So here's a really good question, Ryan, as you say, so what is it that I want?

Right?

And then they say, a million. And then you say, having that, what would that do for you? And they might say, whatever is. And then you say, great, how can you have that right now? Yeah. And that's when you're in it. That's when you be it to see it. And that's what I mean by having it.

And so the it is the emotional relationship between you and what it is that you want, the emotional experience of what you think that thing, that circumstance is going to easily provide for you. That is the it that you can have.

Now, that's the it. You know, we can be sitting here on a Saturday and we can close our eyes and go, you know, I choose it to be a Monday.

And it ain't going to be a Monday. No matter how many things you try to read about some magical. See, it ain't going to happen. But you can do and feel everything that you would feel on that day. And then you wait the time for it to turn up. Because, see, the seed, If I hold a seed, let's call it, I don't know, an acorn as a seed or a carrot seed. If I have a seed, you don't see behind that seed. That's a forest, bro. That's a forest. You look at that seed, you break it apart. What's there? Nothing. Little, you know, there's nothing there, but that has the potential of a forest. You can't tell me that's not a forest in the Invisible. That's a forest. Then it needs to turn into that forest. But there's a joy in the journey of it turning into something. Does that make sense?

So that's actually a beautiful analogy. Yeah.

The seed is the forest, man. The seed is the forest. The person listening to this, whatever you're planting into that field of the universe right now, that's what's going to grow. The seed is the forest. It's just allowing itself to grow because we don't want it all right away. If you had it all right away, that's actually not the human experience. Think about this last quick metaphor is imagine you turn up at a restaurant, right? And this restaurant has every single chef that ever existed. Like, ever an attorney, like, millions of chefs. And then they bring out this book. And the book is bigger than you could imagine. I have to be like, it's got everything you could ever order in History of Food. And you're hungry and you sit there. The thing is, you can have anything you want, but you can't have everything. Because soon as you're on your fifth meal, you're too full to enjoy anymore, you see? So the experience, we don't actually want it all now. We don't just want to go, hey, cool. Yeah, cool. Billion dollars. Boom. Here. There's actually joy in not having it and allowing it to manifest, but you still it. Does that make sense? You're still it.

I've heard this analogy before. Abraham Hicks uses it quite a lot, and. Abraham Hicks, you're looking at me like you don't know who that is.

No, no, no. I was wondering which one? I know who they are.

Okay, well, I'm sorry. Well, Esther Hicks uses this quite a bit. And the distinction there, when you really process that idea, is when you talk about the million dollars and you say you don't actually want it now. Chris Duncan says, you don't really want it right now. Person says, yeah, I do.

Yeah, I do.

But when you think that you want it now, you want it because you believe it will bring relief to the suffering that you are currently experiencing. But the relief, the antidote, as you put it, is connecting with the emotional relationship that you have to that thing. Would you agree with that?

I would so agree. How about this? For some stats, I'd love whoever. You might do a bit of research on this, but I believe it's something like 76% of all lottery winners end up broke, 15% of NFL players end up in financial hardship. And they get given it like that, right. So they are here it is all bang.

Yeah.

If they haven't. Yeah. Like, I mean, I followed basketball, loved it, love basketball, you know, massive fan. Ellen Iverson, you know, he, he got all this money, then lost it all. He's got a clause on his contract, he can't receive like 30 million million till he's like, I don't know, 50 or something, which was a great clause. But they lose it, right, because their unconscious isn't ready to actually accept it, you see. And so as much as someone listening, here goes, I would love it just to turn up right now. All the research shows that if it did turn up, you'd find a way to lose it and get rid of it. You have to go through the process of being it and allowing your unconscious to have safety with it. And there's no other way as much as we all would go. Yeah, so it's funny. So even to add what we were talking about, even if you did get it, you still don't get to keep it if it's that way.

I want it all at once. Well, you can have it. You're just going to lose it just as quickly.

You will, because it is so unsafe if you've got belonging of being. And so they give it away, they find ways to lose it. They over capitalize, they over invest and they don't have it. So you got to be it. You got to internally be it. And once you actually are it, you get it. And a great example, and Obviously this is capitalism.com, so obviously the person who wins capitalism pretty much is Warren Buffett. Warren Buffett. And the thing About Warren, right? I think he's been in the top five richest people for 30 or 40 years or something. Incredible. As far as capitalism goes, he's the Michael Jordan of it. And what I love about him is lives in the same house, drives the same car, eats the same food as he always did, because he's always been it. He's been it. He didn't change when he got it because he already wasn't. He's equal. So he doesn't, he's not scared about having it, he just gets it. He didn't change. He works in the exact same place. Because it's not about it changing. When we code up, if I have it, my life will be completely different. What our unconscious brain hears is that there is going to change everything. My family, my friends, where I live, what I dress. So it is completely foreign and scary. So you gotta be it. There's actually no other way.

The example that's coming to mind was years ago I had a real problem eating my feelings, right? If I felt negative feelings, I'd eat them late at night as a distraction from work. And so the thing I wanted more than anything was six pack abs. If I have six pack abs, then I will be worthy, then I will be recognized, then I'll be enough, then I'll be complete. And so anytime I did not feel complete or worthy or significant, what would I do? I'd go to the fridge. And so these two things were at war with one another, constant war. I hired a top trainer in Austin, he got me ripped. And then when we stopped, I wanted to eat the house. And so those two things, right, that rubber band's pulling back, they were always at war with each other until you change the emotional relationship. So let's talk about changing that. Chris, you started going on this passionate rant about the antidotes, about having it now. But what we've talked about up until this point has mostly been about the problems and the suffering that people experience as they're trying to fix their problems. So this magnetic moment of realizing that what you want is the emotional relationship, how do we code that in? Because even if I'm aware of the underlying problem that is keeping me stuck, I'm still not, I don't, still don't have the muscle of feeling, the confidence, a feeling, the financial security. So how do we code that in?

Thank you. Great, great question. And I think the first preface is to acknowledge the reason why we bring all that awareness here is so that everyone listening stops running that old race down. The problem Reality. So now let's talk about, you know, as you said, now let's talk about what to do. The first thing is there is a daily practice where you teach your unconscious what it is that you want is already happening.

If your unconscious experiences what it is that you are choosing to create is already happening. Now, if you already be it, that builds a unconscious belief that it's already happened, and therefore it is safe and survivable. Okay? The unconscious is actually your ally. It's your friend. It's here to do what it is you want. Just because at some age you decided, I'm from New Zealand, so for most of this is I'll have an accent. Just because at some age I got told this is how to talk, it doesn't mean that that can't shift. We have this unconscious memory. So there's actually a daily practice, and we use something called the superconscious recode, which taps into a higher self to help the unconscious catch up fast. And so the daily process is five steps. And I actually have mine written out right here. My choices, and we call them choices. So the first thing is there's four, what we call orienting choices that you must make. And they point or orient you into the magnetic moment so that you realize you already have it. Now, the way we do it through the five steps is step one is we make the choice. So we say we write it down. I choose. I'll take one of the orienting choices. I choose a life I love. So I choose a life I love. That's step one. Second step is we emotionally connect and become that now. So we say, I choose to live a life I love or end result of a life I love. What is a moment that I'll be experiencing when that is already true? I'll find one in the future. It's me and my wife walking on a beach, thinking about our businesses, blah, blah, blah, kids like whatever it is, right? We connect into that. We close our eyes and we spend a minute to two minutes flooding our being with how that already is. Okay? That puts us in the creative structure that I talked about earlier. So now we're saying, this is where I want it to go. Okay, now we the third step. So first step is choose. Second step is emotion. Third set is what's called structural tension. You come back to the now because you realize, hey, you know, that's what where I want to be. That's the rock. That's the power. And just so everyone gets it, where you put the power is where you will Flow. It's like putting a bowling ball on a trampoline. Wherever you put that bowling ball, whatever else you put on the trampoline, it will roll towards it. So you put the power in the universe there. You say that's where we're going to flow to. That's the gravity come back to now. You say, okay, so what's it like now? Okay, so now is, you know, so that we'll use an example over here. I choose to have. One of our other choices is I choose the end result of living healthy and vital. Healthy and vital body, beautiful choice. So we choose that. We feel it. We come in right now. I don't feel that right now. I eat my feelings right now. Okay, great. Then we do. Then we notice who we are. Now step four is we do a process called recode to shift all of this. And here's where the power of this process is. Since all the power is in the future moment, as you start moving what's holding the present. And you do this every single day, all of a sudden you just start living that. Does that make sense?

It makes sense.

So there's five steps. Choose what it is you want to create. Make sure it's a true choice. Step two, feel it, be it. Go into it. Spend a minute maximum. That's two minutes maximum in it. Third, what's up now? What's life like now? What's going on now? Four, we do a process called recode, right? So you superconscious shift. Shift the superconscious shift. Everything that's in your way. And then the last step is you take action. You take action. You act. You act in it. And if someone commits to 15 minutes every day of doing this process and going through first the orienting choices and then other things that they would like to create when they're already in the magnetic moment. The results in 3, 6, or 12 months are amazing. Like, we had someone create a space school with someone who was blind, regain their eyesight. We've had people reconnect families. We've had people lose. Or you guys are in the United States. So someone lose £230 and then keep it off for two years and not change a single thing about their diet. They're just. They're just choosing. They're just being. Being in it. We've had tumors pop out on the operating table, diabetes, like just anything. But we're never focusing on all of those things. We're focusing on health and vitality because the body wants to. Anyway. Sorry, I keep rambling. Those Are the five steps.

Yeah, yeah. I want to poke at that just a little, because everything that you set up until this point has been like, this just makes sense from a psychological perspective. Makes all the sense in the world.

Yeah. Right.

When you started to shift, talk about regaining sight and tumors popping out, that's where it started to get just a hair into the woo.

It's crazy.

We're taking one step into the. Into the. I'm trying to find the word the supernatural, if you will.

Yeah.

So would you comment on that for the person who is wrestling with that as you're saying this, like, bullshit meters across the globe just went up just about 20%, Chris. So what would you say to that?

You know, I'm the. I'm the biggest skeptic out there, and I'm an entrepreneur, and I created Magnetic mind for entrepreneurs. And all of a sudden people started saying to me, chris, I've done nothing else but your course. And this happened. And so I went in and I did a bit of study about it, and I found that there's a lot of study around dissociative identity disorder, also known as multiple personality disorder, where someone shifts a personality and they regain eyesight. And this is crazy. So listeners go and have a look at DID dissociative identity disorder or multiple personality disorder. They have studied at really famous universities. People who shift an identity, eye color changes, they actually get different, like, you know, conditions. It's incredible.

Different allergies.

Right. So I'm no doctor. I'm an entrepreneur. I built a successful business, and I was using the superconscious work, and I just started teaching it and sharing it and showing recode and showing these five steps made an incredible difference to me. And then this started happening, and I was like, oh. So then I was like, well, I need to try to figure out what's happening. And the thing that I come across was that I also know that if I cut a graze on my hand, it heals, and if I, you know, my hair grows back. Right. Like, all these things happen, all these healings happen. And I also understand the third thing was the placebo effect that Joe Dispenza talks about, which is a really strange thing, which. Which means basically that there was an inert substance creating the result. Right. Placebo effect. It's just weird that we need to call it the placebo effect. Why can't we just call it the person healed himself? And so what I have found, when a person's consciousness is focused on how they want it to be, and they put all the power in the creation and they truly own it. And they go for it and their body responds that that's how it's supposed to be. If they put all the power and how they're broken, they put all. They put a whole identity around, always needing something else to be broken about. So I can't explain it. I can just show you people and you can meet them and hear their stories and we all go, that's incredible. But what I know is where you put your power, where you put your focus, your consciousness creates from.

Yeah, I'm going to sound a little woo saying this, but you reference Joe Dispenza and Doda Scranza makes similar claims about spontaneous healings. People who can't walk suddenly stand up at their events and walk and you're saying similar things. And we hear these types of claims from other people.

And when people talk about it, it is often because of the power of focus into the desired end result. The person who calls bullshit often doesn't believe in the end result, therefore cannot create it. Now, my understanding of the recode process is this is sort of where you chip away at the doubt or the belief or the limited perspectives that allow someone to see and stand in the end result. Could you clarify if that's what this process is and walk us through what a recode looks like?

Yeah. Thank you. Recode is there's 22 different ways that we do recode.

22 different ways.

22 different ways. And. And what's incredible about it is we teach your consciousness how to shift and change a neural connection and let things go. So the premise, if you have the ability to forget someone's name, you have the ability to forget your trauma. That is an ability. It is not a skill you have practiced. Some of us say that we've forgotten more than we know. So if that's a premise, neuroplasticity shows us this. And there was a bunch of science, Nobel Prize. When you science about the consolidation moments when things consolidate in the brain anyway, how the recode works is we rise up and out of our awareness. We teach our brain through a process which I'm sure you've seen or read about, how to make these shifts and let things go that are stopping them. And once the brain knows how to do it, it's incredible. You simply just say, hey, do you see this? Let's shift that, let's let that go. And we call it treatment and a massive change history. And it's a very gentle process, Ryan. It's a Meditative process. You rise, you focus on what you're creating. You notice where you are now. You rise up out of your current awareness. And we go through the process and it just melts away. It just lets go. It's, it's a little bit try like trying to explain calculus. It's like, hey, just, you know, it's trying to explain what it's like to be on a roller coaster. You know, you just gotta, you gotta come try it basically. And there's no risk of giving something a go. So most of the time when people try to have me smile and say, hey, how about I just give you a, you know, come for a free session or spend 50 bucks and come. Just come try a Rico, just come to. I don't like, just try it out. Give me your worst, your biggest, worst fear, your biggest worst block, your number one thing that's stopping you. And if you do the process, I guarantee by the end of it, that will be at least half a problem compared to where it was. It will at least melt 50% off it.

Can you walk us through one, do a trial one or somehow demonstrate how it works?

How much time have we got?

We have all the time we need, Chris.

Typically there's about for the very. So so with Recode, the first session is the longest one because there's about 30 minutes of education of how, how it works and teaching the consciousness how it's going to go about.

And then it's the closed eye process. So it's about now. So I think the better thing is if you're willing to, and if the listeners want it, I can, I can send. We can add a recorded one here or they can come to a live one. We got a link you could do, you could do a free one. Forget. I'll get my team, I'll get a free one organized if you like.

Sounds perfect. We'll do it.

Does that sound okay? I mean otherwise we're going to be, you know, we're going to be a.

Long podcast and you know, if people.

Are driving and everything else and you know, it's a very deep thing. You know, my very first time that I, that I learned it and it was based on some amazing work from a lady named Colette Stryker who taught me the superconscious work. She was. She's at Houston, Texas. She's just an amazing woman, a great friend of mine and she'd learned from a doctor named Dr. Gary Flint, who's a psychiatrist and he passed away a couple years ago out of Canada and And he was figuring out, why is it that they need to keep coming back to. To me as a therapist. He was doing hypnotherapy. He was doing edmr. He was doing eft. Why do they need to keep coming back to me? Why can't I just teach their brain how to do this? And so he miraculously figured this out. And I'm just a third generation of this. What I added was the profound understanding of structure first to their process. That's where my addition is. But, you know, you stand on the shoulders of giants, and they're incredible individuals. And once I realized you put your conscious focus and your structure in first, then do the process, it's just being like, you know, I mean, superpowers. Yeah.

So, Chris, for the beginning half of our conversation, we talked about those underlying beliefs or fears that were holding us back.

Right?

I'm not worthy, good enough, don't belong, insignificant, not capable, not perfect. Now, how important, if at all, is it for an individual to understand which of these fears or limitations are in the way of focusing on what they want? How important is that versus just moving the focus into creating what it is that we do want.

As soon as you step into the creation of what it is you do want, your unconscious will tell you exactly what stops you. Exactly. You don't need to put a label on it. Labels is just the human.

Way that we communicate it. So we have an experience. We have an experience of the experience, and then we put language onto that experience. So you do not need to know the language. And in fact, someone's not worthy, might feel a lot like someone else is not good enough. It's just us, language again. So it is not important to know at all. One of the things that I don't want people to do is to go on some sort of archeological dig to try to find all the reasons and all the things that are wrong with them. You know, I need to go to therapy for 10 years and talk about it. Okay, well, you could do that, but how about we just focus on what you want, acknowledge what's in the way, melted away, and get on with life? You know, what's the point of talking about it for 10 years? What you do is you arrive at the same thing. It's a challenge. So by doing the first three steps of our morning process, choose what you want, feel it, and then notice where you are now. You get everything you need of what is blocking the creation, and then we simply melt that away.

And.

It does make sense. I'm imagining this as you're saying. Right. And I have practiced what I know about the morning process that's talked about in Recode, and some of the things that I've noticed, I'm sure everyone can relate to this, from any personal development work that they've done, is that they get a glimpse or I get a glimpse of the desired reality and the emotional relationship I have to that desire. And by about lunch, I've already forgotten it, and I'm back in patterns. And we've all experienced, you go to Tony Robbins, you go to anything, and then a week later you're back in your pattern. So is it about consistently chipping away at that until it is now like a muscle, a pattern of living in what you want, or is it something different?

And if you chipped it all away, what would you be or have?

Are you asking me? Yeah, just a consistent happiness and optimism.

Yeah, this is good. And so if you had consistent happiness or optimism by chipping it all away, what would that allow you to have? Will be?

I would be living in the freedom.

Freedom from what?

Freedom from worry.

Therefore, with a few questions, we understand that we're already in the problem we're going to.

And so what happens is, is we want to always fix anything that's not perfect. So that would be in the. I'm not perfect yet, Chris. I had some worry throughout the day, you see. So it's a very easy groove to get back into. So it's simple. As we notice that, you know, where other things are going on, we just come back and we go, okay, what is it that I really choose? We might do the four orienting choices. We choose them. What's in the way of me? So here's the four, right? So it's the first one is, I live a life I love. I choose to live a life I love. Next one is I choose to be the predominant creative force in my life, which is the one would work on here. The next one is I choose to live my true nature and purpose. And the fourth one is I choose health and vitality. So we would step into it, and so this person, this fictitious person, that they've fallen back into patterns, what they're actually saying behind that is that they're no longer being the predominant creative force in their life. Something else is here. So we would sit them back and we'd say, I choose to be the predominant creative force in life. We would have them go into that and become it, which means I'm the one in charge. We would become it, and then we'd say, so what's going on now? And then they already know. They say, well I'm in these patterns. And then we would say, so we can do some processes here. Like we could do it together. It'd be fun. But you know, I don't think the lesser, we'd better to go to a full session. But then we'd say, okay, so you know what is informing me that that's, that that's a safe way of being. And we would understand that there was something in our past. Here's a beautiful thing I love to think about is our current reality is not a problem. Our current reality, where we are right now, our current reality is actually designed to save a younger version of ourself from an experience of pain. That's already happened.

Yes.

And you go, oh, so there's nothing wrong here. So I'd investigated a little bit and then I would just let it go. I'd go, well how old is the youngest me that decided I needed to be perfect and control myself and be consistent? And the, it was how old's the youngest me? Would ask the superconscious and would probably get, you know, at age, at age three, I'm there with dad and he's saying, you've just, you know, you gotta be perfect. And you go, oh, well there it is. We shift that and no longer the emotional weight is there of dad saying to us, I need to be a certain way and us creating this experience. And away we go. I've got a great story. I just talked to a client about four days ago. I was working with her in a one on one session and she had this problem of not belonging. And we went through the process and we figured out at age 3 years old it literally comes right out when you do the process, it like pops at you. She's like, Chris, at age 3, I'm hanging things on the Christmas tree and I break one of them and then my dad tells me off. So I throw one at the wall and smash it. So she's a three year old, so of course she gets told off to sit in the corner. So she sits in the corner and watches her whole family do the Christmas tree, have hot chocolate, everything else. And she codes up, I don't belong and I need to be a good girl for dad. And her whole life she's been trying to find and fight belonging, but the truth is she was just being a three year old. And so we shift that and that's what was instructing. So she's, she's Similar, right? So she's going through her day, going, well, I still don't feel like I belong with this guy. And then I don't feel like I belong here. And she's gone through this beautiful lady, but she's gone through so many marriages and relationships and everything never feels like she belongs. And that's what was instructing the relationship. If I belong, I don't know who I am always chasing belonging. So I know that I'm. Sometimes you ask a question, you want like a direct answer. And I'm like, well, actually bro, let's pull it apart here a little bit. And so the answer is that when you're in the creative structure, all of your energy is just focused on what it is you're creating. And if you focus on anything else, how do I overcome these problems? How do I fix this? How do I be perfect? How do I not do this? How do I do that? That's just you trying to. You're in your shit. And so you need to settle down, refocus on the creation, do the recode, let it go. And the more that you do it, the more you do it, the more that the only thing that's the object is what it is that you're going after. And so as a quick example, I wanted to start buying businesses, doing them up and selling them, right? I'm an entrepreneur. So I was like, this is what I want. And so I was like, cool. So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to do that. So I put this out there, I chose it. Within a week, I'm online, I find this business, they want 670 something thousand dollars, you know, at like a forex multiple, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, no, I'm going to spend 400 grand within six days. 400 grand deals done, everything else. But in that time I'm thinking, what should I just ask for 500? What if I fuck up? What if I this, what if I that all of this stuff is there? What if I. What if they've still got a tax it the end result. I want to buy a business, do it up and sell it. That's the end result. So what is the OS action? Well, it's 400 is all I'm going to spend.

That's it.

And you end up where you want. Does that make sense?

Makes total sense.

Yeah. Okay, I'll leave it there.

It is nice to chat with someone that believes in and teaches this stuff and is rich because so much of the spiritual community they have.

They have so many processes and so many programs and yet they can't figure out money.

Yeah, man.

You know, and it is, it is nice to chat with someone who is leading the charge financially.

And has used these processes in order to create abundance. And I think one of the things that prevents driven, especially men like you and me, from finding and treating these processes with a healthy level of respect is because most of the people peddling them are broke.

True.

And so I just really appreciate that there's someone leading the charge that.

Has both.

I really want to reflect that and say, thanks brother. And actually that's what changed me.

You asked me about the two, the two guys, so I answered the question. But the, the actual moment, I don't know if it's in the book, was a couple years before that. It just took me that long to figure it out. And that was when a self made billionaire in Austin pulled me aside and he said, I'm not gonna. Yeah.

You lived here for a while, did you not?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I live downtown, right. By Whole Foods.

All right, I know exactly where that is. You were at Bee Cave.

Okay, so just by the Galleria.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I, I say I had a really tough 2016, really tough. My business partner died. I ended up in 800 grands worth of debt I paid to fight fly very vena, Chuck out to Australia, all sorts of, you know, it's horrible. So I was going through it and I was needed to make some money. I needed to, I needed to get some funding. I needed like get back on, on it. And he pulls me aside and I'll never forget it. And he goes, chris, I love your idea. He said, but I'm not going to invest in you. I said why? He said you're addicted to fixing yourself.

And I went, what do you mean? He goes, your idea is solid, get it? But I don't want to invest in you because all you want to do is find the next thing to make you feel good and fix yourself. He said, chris, you need to be it to see it. And he said, look at all of these. And where it was like eight or nine richest families and in Austin he said, they're overweight, they got divorces, they've got smoke, they some meditate, some don't. Some stay up late, some, some work hard. So look at this. He said, you tell me how you're supposed to be. Is it the only thing that every single one here has in common is they're not trying to fix themselves to have success. They're just creating.

And he's the one that actually said to me, he goes, chris, you must be here to see it. And he goes, you cannot plant a seed of scarcity and grow an abundance forest. And I was like, well, he said. He said, you cannot plant a seed of I must fix myself and grow. I've already got it forest. And for me, being an entrepreneur, he told me that I went, great, so how do I fix myself? Right, well, that's great. So how do I do it? And so I applied this to myself and we built a very successful business, you know, tens of millions of dollars. And, you know, then created. Then from that, I went, I need to start sharing it. So I started sharing it with the whole intention. I would only share it with entrepreneurs. I mean, like, that's who I am. So I would share with that. We created a subscription model. 49 bucks a week, with 3,000 people paying me. 49 bucks a week for personal development. This is incredible. And then through that, all of these other things started happening. I never wanted to be super conscious, Chris. You know, I never wanted to be that. So I really appreciate, and I agree that there's too many people out there saying you need to feel abundance in order to make money when you know that that's just completely false. And I know tons of people who don't feel abundant and are super rich, you know? You know, you don't have to feel grateful to have it. No, you just need to be it, whatever that it is for you. So now I really appreciate that feedback, man, and it's super. It's been something that we. We haven't really got enough out there into the entrepreneur community, funny enough, because all of a sudden, we just got taken on this ride, bro. And this. This ride of this superconscious program has just been incredible. Yeah.

Well, congratulations on your success. Thank you for the book. It's one of my most recommended of the last several years. And it's great to meet you and hang out with you, Chris.

It means a lot. And like, I did, seriously, when I saw your message come through, I was not my Instagram. Someone else showed it to me and I was like, oh, oh, this dude. I've seen him around. And I was like, man, I would love just to hang out and. And chat with him. And I feel like we've just talked about me, so I'm looking forward to talking all about your story, which I know was the idea today, but no, I really appreciate you, brother, and capitalism.com and really, people that are just going after what it is that makes their heart light up and being unapologetic. There's no other reason why you want to, you know, create more money than you can spend. You want the Lambo, you want the whatever, you go do it. Because why not? Life's worth living. Go for it. But you don't need all of this guilt. It's just have it. Have what? Have what? And if it's a charity and if it's a, you know, if you're going to reforest stuff or if it's to feel a certain feeling, whatever it is, you can just, just have it. You don't need to fix yourself. You're already whole.

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