How AI Will Democratize Education for the World w/ Sal Khan & Jacqueline Novogratz | EP #72

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Grow and focus on being loving, high quality character and overly vulnerable humans related to where we are today and where we're headed?

You had to ask the hardest question.

What I'm really intrigued by is everyone's going to have a tutor in their pocket or on a computer.

A college education doesn't get you a job.

Your peers and your children are going to be like, wow. We were living in the dark ages at a time where, like, not everyone had access to their potential.

And right now, that humility to see the world as it is is to go as fast as we can to build things. Not necessarily to help people, but to enable people to help themselves.

Let's begin and let's go to Mike one over there. Hey, Bear, how you doing?

I'm doing pretty good. How about you?

This is my deputy son, Bear.

Reese meets you guys.

First of all, Bear, how old are you?

I'm 11. Wow.

Yeah. I have two fraternal twin boys. Kristen and I have. We're 11 as well. Best friends there. Pretty awesome. Yeah. They'll be here in a little bit.

Yeah.

What's up, Vera?

Not much. Am I allowed to ask my question?

You can. You're first. The most articulate.

Okay, cool. This one's directed at Jacqueline, So I've been wondering because it's kind of confusing for me because you're kind of helping fund these companies and what if AI eventually takes over like those labor jobs and the thinking jobs? Because then what's the point of I guess, helping those people if they aren't going to. What do you think is going to happen to them once AI takes over labor jobs? You had to ask the hardest question of the whole coverage.

These are.

Yeah, he's, he's a smart kid.

I think about that a lot actually. That you take a country like India alone and every year 20 million new young people are going into a labor force. And increasingly where we work, a college education doesn't get you a job. We've got the largest chicken farm in Ethiopia. And most of the people that are being hired now have college educations because that's where they can make money. So my hope is that these jobs become that word accompaniment. These jobs end up using the technology to do more things for the world rather than just push people aside. I also think that when we look at agriculture, especially where most of the poor people, we are going to see a lot of displacement. But we are starting to see new systems where young people are deciding they want to become farmers for the first time in my life, to become farmers rather than leave it because they can produce really beautiful foods for the people who live locally. And so we might start to see new things happening in the world. But, but in the short term all we can do is what we can do. And right now that humility to see the world as it is is to go as fast as we can to build things. Not necessarily to help people, but to enable people to help themselves. Thank you. Thank you for your question.

Ryan, where are you on mic four? Where's Ryan? This is Bear's sister, my deputy daughter. Hey Ryan, talk to us. What's your comment or question?

Ryan, this is kind of more directed to Sal.

Uh huh.

But how much do you think education.

For kids will change in the next.

10 years with AI?

How old are you now, Ryan?

Nine.

Nine. Okay, yes, cool.

Great question. Something I think a lot about, I think a lot of what we currently know about education, some ways, some of those things will stay the same. But I think some of the main issues with education, like a lot of students honestly don't even have access to. Jacqueline talked a lot about that. I think college education is more and more ridiculously expensive over time. I think just being able to have support, even if you have a reasonably well resourced school you really aren't able to get help right when you need it. I think those are the things that in the next 10 years, you literally are going to have. Everyone's going to have a tutor in their pocket or on a computer. That's going to be pretty rich, that you're going to be able to engage with pretty deeply. That isn't just a supplement, something on the side to help you, but it could also, if you need it, to be almost drive your complete education. You're going to be able to get credit and degrees. Let's call it proof that you have skills that are going to be valuable for folks. And hopefully you can get automatically connected to experiences, jobs, internships that'll get you what you need. So I think education, I know education is one of these areas that for a while, people have been very hopeful, but also they've been very like, oh, I don't know if anything good's going to happen. We keep trying, and nothing really changes. I've never been more bullish that by the time you're 19 years old, you're going to have a world where your peers and your children are going to be like, wow, we were living in the dark ages at a time where, like, not everyone had access to their potential. I think 10 years, we'll make that. And the only thing that might keep it is going to be other things like infrastructure, electricity, wars that will keep people from having access. But if we have those basic things in place, I think pretty much anyone's going to have access to a world.

Ryan. Let's give it up for Ryan Reese here, everybody. I want to take a short break from our episode to talk about a company that's very important to me and could actually save your life or the life of someone that you love. The company is called Fountain Life, and it's a company I started years ago with Tony Robbins and a group of very talented physicians. You know, most of us don't actually know what's going on inside our body. We're all optimists until that day when you have a pain in your side. You go to the physician in the emergency room, and they say, listen, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you have this stage three or four going on, and, you know, it didn't start that morning. It probably was a problem that's been going on for some time. But because we never look, we don't find out. So what we built at Fountain Life was the world's most advanced diagnostic centers. We have four across the US today. And we're building 20 around the world. These centers give you a full body mri, a brain, a brain vasculature, an AI enabled coronary CT looking for soft plaque, DEXA scan, a grail blood cancer test, a full executive blood workup. It's the most advanced workup you'll ever receive. 150 gigabytes of data that then go to our AIs and our physicians to find any disease at the very beginning when it's solvable. You're going to find out eventually. Might as well find out when you can take action. Fountain Life also has an entire side of therapeutics. We look around the world for the most advanced therapeutics that can add 10, 20 healthy years to your life. And we provide them to you at our centers. So if this is of interest to you, please go and check it out. Go to fountainlife.com Peter when Tony and I wrote our New York Times bestseller LifeForce, we had 30,000 people reached out to us for Fountain Life memberships. If you go to fountainlife.com Peter will put you to the top of the list. Really, it's something that is for me, one of the most important things I offer my Entire family, the CEOs of my companies, my friends. It's a chance to really add decades onto our healthy lifespans. Go to fountainlife.com Peter it's one of the most important things I can offer to you as one of my listeners. All right, let's go back to our episode. Hi. First of all, thank you very much, Jacqueline and Sal for two inspiring presentations. My question is for Sal. I'm here with, I'm 25. I'm here with my 14 year old cousin Julian. We've both been users of Khan Academy for a while. It's surreal actually seeing you and hearing you talk because I've heard you through a screen so much I feel like I wouldn't have.

It's a little disappointing seeing the older and shorter. I've watched your differential equation Khan Academy.

Video more than I would care to admit.

But anyways, we're wondering how we can.

Be guinea pigs for Khanmigo. Julian's been using Khan Academy in his English classes at school. He's in eighth grade and I've used them virtually through college, through engineering. And it's very, very cool tool. We would love to help you further.

Yeah. And there is a process actually. Anyone here? So this is an interesting phenomenon about these large language models, especially GPT4, which is an order of magnitude more complex than GPT3, is that they're not cheap. It's not like Internet where the marginal cost is like a few pennies Right now. It's sizable. We're trying to gauge on how much people are going to use it, but it's definitely on the order of like probably 5, 10, $15 a month or something like that. So what we've done right out the gate while it's in the beta test mode is we're providing it to some school districts just to start testing it and using it. But we're also making it so that if people donate on our site at Conlabs, I think it's $20 a month, then that will unlock the. You can be on the waiting list of Khanmigo, so your parents can. If your parents donate, then they can unlock it once they're taken off the waiting list for their. For the children. So that's what we're going to do. And the reason why I'm bullish on it, because, you know, even at that price, it's a lot of value relative to like hiring a tutor and all of that. But we have good reason to believe that over the next six to 12 months, that cost is going to come down by a factor of 10 or a factor of 50. Some on our side efficiency, some on the side of the folks developing the large language models. But. Yeah, but if you want to get in like this week or next week or something. Yeah. Get on the waiting list.

Okay, will do. Thank you. Fantastic. Maximilian, let's get up to Joe. Thank you, Joe, for your question. Maximilian, what do you got? This one's for Jacqueline. Jacqueline.

Oh, hi.

Hi.

Hi.

I may actually say I'm a big fan of yours. You actually inspired my first MTP and moonshot back in 2009 and I spent the last 15 years essentially following that track. What was was actually empowering entrepreneurs in Africa building sustainable healthcare companies and for their local communities.

Fantastic.

So I've now actually moved on and amended or developed my moonshot further. And I'm now CEO of a company called Next Boardroom. And our mission is very much along the lines of what your challenge actually is. So bringing the right sustainable mindsets and competencies into boardrooms around the world. So I would love to talk with you how we can scale Acumen Academy in that context to every company around the world.

I would love that. Also, so many of the young social entrepreneurs, we need to teach them how to build their boards and then use because many of them don't have family and friends networks, find people who can really show up and Be great board members for them. So we'd love to have that conversation with you. Thank you.

Awesome. And thank you, Maximilian. Thank you. Let's go to our global virtual members next on Zoom. Josh, what do you have?

Yes, hello, everyone. Zooming in from Denver.

Can you hear me okay?

Yes.

Can you hear great? All right, great. Yeah, thanks for the chat here. Sal and Jacqueline's amazing comments.

And this question is related to a.

Quote and comment that you had yesterday.

Peter, in a breakout session.

Whereas humans need to become really great at being humans and let the AI.

And robots do the rest of the computerized and automated work.

So leaning into the gratitude for this tech and removing the fear mindset, how do we truly grow and focus on being loving, high quality character and overly vulnerable humans related to where we are today and where we're headed?

I'll take. I mean, it could definitely connects to what we talked about earlier about the role of the teacher and in a world of abundance. I mean, this is one thing I don't we're ever going to have a surplus of human connection. And so as you know, even if you just take a classroom as a microcosm for like the world, as you have AIs and tools like Khan Academy, that's able to do a lot more of the coordination, a lot more of the assessment, a lot more of the practice, it unlocks all of that time and space for the human to just have more conversations, have more games, have more simulations. I actually think we should just need to scale that up even beyond the classroom. What I'm really intrigued by is ways that not only can the technology take things off of the human's plate, but actually can facilitate human connections. One thing that I'm hoping to have built in the next year is we know in middle school it's a tough time. There's a lot of dynamics and there's the cool kids and the cool kids and there's all these clicks. You know, how amazing if you could have an AI facilitate a conversation between two members of your class, maybe you don't even know who the person you're talking to, but you can show that vulnerability. You can show that, hey, there's another human being, no matter what their stereotype is. I think things like that are where we're going to get a lot of human value from.

There's a term that Dan Sullivan first shared with me. I think it comes only from four seasons. Let's automate the routine and humanize the exceptional. Which I love that.

Yeah, I love that question. And it's certainly something I'm obsessed with. As I said, how do you teach character? Something Sal and I are talking about. What we found, at least on a, a global level, but with thousands, not yet millions, is through ritual, through language, through more organized groups. And the Socratic method of having people speak across lines of difference to build a sense of community really is possible. My question now is how do we scale it and storytelling? Our media continues to tell stories of people who do a lot of bad things and still are put on pedestals rather than those individuals who have an abundance of kindness, an abundance of goodness, abundance of generosity. We know that wealth does not correlate to empathy. And so part of it, I think is also finding a new kind of role model, which is sort of an old fashioned kind of role model, but the ones that we want to be like, but we're sometimes afraid to really celebrate and our media could do a better job and so can we.

We're going to go to Julian on Zoom one more time. Thank you for your question. And then we're going to go to John next over here. So Julian, where are you and what's your question? What's going on?

Hey, I'm reporting here from one of the villas in the resort, so not too far. Based in San Francisco though.

But yeah, great talk from the both of you.

I'm going to ride off of Bear's.

First question since that's been very top of mind because I'm building an AI learning tool. Name was so learning and AI has been super top of mind.

And the question here is based on the challenge that there's, you know, the world's moving faster than ever and there's.

Massive disruption that's going to come from jobs. So it's a question around what are the future proof skills? What are the future proof jobs? How do we deal with that transition period from like so many people just being displaced?

I think learning has a lot to do with it.

So it's like, what should we be learning and how do we become exponential learners and individuals in this new exponential age? Thank you, Julian. Sal, do you want to take that on?

Yeah. It's something I've been struggling with. I think a lot of us try to run optimistic about inflection points of technology and new jobs that we can't imagine can be created. I know we've all heard that, but it is amazing. Just even over the last six months, as soon as we had access to GPT4 back in August, I started telling all of our team members, look, you Got to figure out how this is changing your work. We've done as a not for profit, we've done things like an email exchange with a donor. We just take those 10 emails, throw it to GPT4 and it wrote the proposal for us and then we tweaked it for like 20 minutes but then it got that done. I was originally so I was like, oh, maybe this is the skill of the future being able to be a prompt engineer and tweak the AI. But then as we were working with OpenAI it got more steerable so we had to do a little bit less of the dark art of how do you get the AI to do exactly what you want. So you know, if I were to guess in, you know, two or three generations even that is going to, that's.

Not going to go raise me money.

Raising money might always be a AI proof skill, but yeah, it's a. I think it'll be the human, the ability, I think the critical thinking plus the human connection. If you can form bonds with other human beings, I think you're always going to have a strong. And I'll say one last thing. You know my college roommate, he's this guy that none of us thought were going to. He was not like the wheeler dealer, stereotypical VC guy, but he's always a guy that he's super vulnerable. He becomes best friends with anyone, wherever he is and he's become an incredibly successful investor essentially based on that skill. And the more I think about it, I think his skill is probably the most fascinating, resilient.

I think the caring economy really matters here, that we're becoming lonely as a society and so whether it's an accompaniment model that we saw first in Africa and now we're seeing in the United States where people will call people with chronic diseases to see if not only if they've taken their meds, but are they exercising, helping them learn how to grocery shop, et cetera, et cetera. What we didn't expect was the bonds that would be created within community. What we did expect is that people would stay healthy and not get sick and that would save a lot of money and you could build a revenue model around it. So I actually think that those individuals who can show up, can care, can build community will also be something that we not only value but longer term monetize everybody.

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Education to children in the Maasai land in the bush.

We've seen great progress by providing additional health care and nutrition for our children, accelerated learning.

And I was curious, do any of.

Your entrepreneurs invest in nutrition and health care to facilitate education?

And in the spirit of the conference.

How might we use AI to benefit.

Us in those places?

That's a great question. We don't invest directly in nutrition, but we do invest in education. And a lot of the best education models either will partner with philanthropy or the state because of the power of, as you know, a single healthy male every day in countries like India with a 45% child malnutrition rate or across Africa where you've got stunting pretty much across the continent that really matters. I don't have, off the top of my mind for you, a particular company that is focused specifically on the school feeding. But I'll give that some thought.

Perhaps there's an opportunity there.

Yeah, I mean, we lose 40% of our agricultural production before it gets to the plate in the developing world. It's all food rots on the side of the road. It's never sold at market. You could actually see AI doing a much better job. Locating and finding ways to move that food more effectively to the people who really need it would be one thing that would come to mind. And then of course, in the wealthy world, we lose 40% of the food after it gets to our plate and we just waste it. And so there's. I would think there's a huge opportunity there.

We've got something like 15 questions and 12 minutes left. So I'm going to speed round, as.

A young Kenyan guy said to me, so please be short.

So this is from Slido, this is Farsal from one of your former students. What do you need or looking for in a partner to help reach sultanas in the world?

I'll say two things really fast. One, we have 50 plus localization efforts including in Pashto, Dari, Farsi and all of these. And there's other parts like Afghanistan, if we're talking about the Middle east, et cetera, so folks can actually volunteer and localize. We have different degrees of efforts in every geography. So that's one I think that anyone can do if they have language skills. The second one is, hate to say it, but resources do matter here. I was telling Peter earlier that.

For.

Domestic English, our budget's a budget of about a large high school. It's about 60 million a year. Global education spends 5 trillion a year. So we're a vapor of a vapor of that. But we think if we were able to put about a million or two behind supporting our platform to go right to left, that would be a huge thing.

That's a million we're trying to raise. I'm having dinner with Will. I am. And the patrons on Sunday night. And he said something, it was amazing. He said, you know, raising money to educate AIs is easy. Raising money to educate our kids is hard.

Yeah, Crazy. He's right.

Raising money is hard, period.

Let's go to Harsha on mic three, please.

Hi, thanks a lot for organizing this one.

We have two questions actually, but let me just give. Let's pick one because we have a lot of people waiting.

Sure.

So basically the question we have is.

I actually went to India and we tried to use Khan Academy's thing and.

I also tried to use robots. Right. And one thing which we found out.

Was kids actually were building robots. They got to learn a lot more and it was very hard for them to learn directly from Khan Academy.

So what we did was we actually.

Created something called Hollow World where holographically, now they were able to combine Minecraft type of things, Roblox Minecraft with Lego.

Type of things and that has actually done very well.

So there is in India there is something called co profit. Right.

So you can have CSR where people.

Can actually take money from profits and.

Put it into nonprofit.

So why in your case these two have not happened? And the second question is, is there an API with Khan Academy which I can use for this holographic universe I'm building which can be integrated so that I can present this?

Alexander, all these things are there in the holographic world. We need an API. Yeah, unfortunately we don't have the API today. It might be coming back in the next year or two. In terms of. I agree with you. If you can embody it in all of that, I think that's. We talked about the sultanas. There are certain students who can just power through in the current form factor. But the more that we can make it engaging, we can make it embodied. Whatever. I think it is going to help a ton of.

Thank you. Let's go to Carl on Mike too. Carl, thank you both for the impact you're making first of all. But Sal, my question's for you is I'm curious what your predictions are related to avatars and how that either replaces teachers or acts as that tutor to teachers. Interestingly, yesterday we heard a stat on how children actually are more likely to tell the truth to an avatar psychologist versus a physical person there. So I'm curious how you think that plays in education.

Yeah, I'll say a couple of real quick things is what we've always said is we want to raise the floor for so many kids because they don't have access to school. So there. And we think now with the AI the floor can be raised pretty significantly. So it's even better than your average well resourced experience at some point. But we also want to raise the ceiling. If you have an amazing teacher, we're going to be able to make that teacher even more empowered in terms of avatars themselves. Yeah, it's funny, when I watched the Harry Potter series, I always thought the craziest, most unrealistic part of Harry Potter were those picture frames that could represent dead people and that could talk. And now I realize that's actually the most realistic part of Harry Potter. And so I think there's something very interesting. I think there's even a couple of startups that are already like you can download someone's personality and it's about to get a lot better.

Yeah, we got in the tech hub over here going chicka chick.

So yeah, I think you're going to have a way to kind of persist and create people. I mean, we have a fun little project of like, can we create a embodied SAL scale tutor? You know, maybe in six months you'll have something like that. I don't know. But it is a little bit wild what's about to happen.

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You know, I think the first step is just giving them a place where they can realize that they are interested in discovering these academic abilities and when they can see, oh compared to my brothers in the local school, I'm actually learning more. And wow, there's all this interesting stuff. I think the AI is the one that access that more. I think we've all many of us when you're reading a book and you're like, wow, I really connect with Voltaire or I really connect with Mark Twain, but that's a one way situation. I think the artificial intelligence turns this into a two way conversation. So I think we're going to be able to unlock even more there. But I think the number one thing is as soon as people can start to say, wow, I'm exercising. Just as it feels good to exercise your body, as soon as you exercise your mind and you realize what you're capable of, it starts to put you on a path.

Yeah. I also think that storytelling and finding more people who look like the people that we're also looking to empower really matters. We have a company that is essentially a woman doctor in Pakistan. 30% of all women doctors stop practicing when they get married first. You have to change that has put all these women doctors on a tech platform so that they can actually provide health care to rural women, often for the first time in their lives. You've got to get rural women in places like northern Pakistan where the education rate or literacy rate is 4% for women to trust that they can talk to a doctor who might be sitting in New York and use that. But the fact that they look like them, they can speak the language and that there are local agents and Sal and I were talking about this before, including with education. That local teacher, she might be illiterate, but she'll be learning at the same time as the students learn that role modeling is really, really important. And then the second way through storytelling would be things like for farmers in India. You can tell me if I'm wrong, but Bollywood actors actually really matter for that kind of endorsement. And so things we might not really things we might take for granted are often wrong. And so I think that we need more creativity and that's also where AI can help us.

I'm going to try and power through three more questions. We're going to Robert on Zoom. Keep it short if you would. Robert, where are you and what's your question?

Hi, calling from Phoenix, Arizona. From Phoenix. So my question is Prasol, is there.

A way for the Khan Academy to.

Partner with the industry to bring courses that don't exist in colleges for vocational specific learning, such as in soil engineering, which is a practice that has done.

Virtually beyond what they teach in college? Great question.

Simple answer is yes. And what I've been some people think vocational. They think it's only a certain category and not the kind of the career track, white collar jobs. One of the things I'm fascinated in is can we give people this core set of skills that you don't need to sit in a chair for four years, but put you even in the same category as a college graduate, but also, obviously can work on these things that we don't normally associate with a college degree. So the simple answer is yes, and we're working on it. We're starting to talk to several companies about, hey, if someone just did this on Khan Academy, why don't you put them in the same category as someone with a 3.5 GPA from Stanford? And the companies are serious about it now.

Fantastic. Jeff Peoples, what's your question, pal?

Jacqueline, what access do we have to your teaching about character development?

Is there something that we could bring onto our teams, especially our young people here in the United States?

You're saying, well, anyway, around the world, I'm just, you know, I'm just like, okay.

And it's actually especially more important for.

Around the world because it's like, no. Anyway, you have something that we can.

Access now, so I don't. So I have a. I have a couple of books, but my last book is called Manifesto for a Moral revolution, and it's 12 practices that we have found in our most successful entrepreneurs to be very effective in building companies that put our humanity at the center. It's all about character. And then Acumen Academy is the start. There are about 40 different courses already that are very much about that. And we're starting to partner with corporations that are having their teams take the courses together. And so would love to talk to you about both of those.

And, Jacqueline, you're going to be staying here through Thursday?

No, only through this evening.

Okay. So Jacqueline's here at lunch and in the evening.

So, Catherine, this is a crowd that wears a lot of black, so you should be able to find me.

Carla, our final question here. Sorry, guys.

Yes, Sal.

Thank you. I'm going to become a donor, and you're my hero. I'm a pioneer in advancing education for dyslexic learners. I founded Athena Academy in the Bay Area. And so my question is, how can.

We work with Khan Academy so it.

Works better for dyslexic kids?

We love what you do, but our.

Dyslexics don't work as well as non dyslexics with your materials and platform.

Yeah. Well, first of all, thank you. Honestly, I think it's just a bandwidth and serialization issue. We've gotten some feedback that it does work for certain students with dyslexia and other learning differences, but we haven't honestly been able to focus on that problem in particular. You probably have good insights there. So, you know, if there's low hanging fruit that if we did X, Y and Z, it could dramatic like, we want to hear that. And then, you know, I'm hoping in the next several years we can start to have more capacity to start, you know, focusing on some of these, on these, these situations. I hope we can talk. Yeah.

Absolutely. Wonderful.

All right, ladies and gentlemen, give it.

Up for Sal Khan and Jacqueline Novogratz. He it.