Why Infrared Saunas are a Game-Changer for Longevity and Wellness | Connie Zack

Welcome back, dear audience, to another episode of the Longevity and Lifestyle podcast. I'm your host, Claudia von Boeselager, here to bring you the latest insights and learnings to improve your health, life, and happiness for longer. Thank you so much for being part of this community. I always appreciate you so much and I love to hear from you. So you're welcome to reach out on Instagram @longevityandlifestyle. My guest today is Connie Zak, co-founder of Sunlighten, the world's leader in infrared sauna and light therapy. Inspired by her brother's health transformation through infrared sauna use, Connie and her husband Aaron left successful pharmaceutical careers to found Sunlighten 25 years ago. Their visionary leadership in light science and research-backed innovations revolutionized the infrared sauna industry and guided the company to global prominence. As an infrared light trailblazer, Connie's belief in the power of collaborative partnerships paved the way for infrared red light industry-wide education, on the benefits, which is now a common practice. Passionate about holistic health, Connie prioritizes nutrition, exercise, infrared saunas, and mindfulness in her daily life. Recent insights from Dr. Hyman's functional testing company revealed her biological age to be 18 years younger than her chronological one. As a mother, wife, wellness enthusiast, entrepreneur, and YPO member, she brings light, hope, and happiness to the world through her expertise in biological aging and how infrared light and heat impacts healthy living. Please enjoy. Welcome to the Longevity and Lifestyle Podcast, Connie. It's such a pleasure to have you with us today.

Thank you so much.

So I'd love to kick off, Connie. You have a very special backstory essentially that led you on the journey to becoming a pioneer in infrared lights and saunas. Can you share a bit more with us?

Yes, I'd be happy to. So it was, gosh, over 25 years ago, a long time ago, my brother was chronically ill. He was young and debilitated, and he tried everything and nothing worked. And it was— ended up being his dentist who diagnosed him with heavy metal toxicity. And he was said that the mercury from his amalgam fillings were potentially leaking into his body. And causing him to be so sick and fatigued and, you know, nauseous and just overall malaise. It was just horrible. I couldn't really get out of bed.

Yeah.

And the dentist said that he had been reading about a technology called infrared, which is a wavelength that could penetrate the body and ultimately pull out that mercury that was trapped that was causing all the problems.. And that's exactly what he did. He bought an infrared sauna all these years ago and it changed his life. And I was in St. Louis at the time, which is where also my brother was, as well as my other— my husband, that's also my business partner. And, you know, we saw the transformation it made for his brother, for my brother. And I mean, I just decided I wanted to, you know, bring this forth to the rest of the world. I was on the pharmaceutical side of Procter Gamble. So there was really a passion that I had towards helping people be healthier. I mean, I thought I was doing his, you know, everything that I could. But when I saw what happened to my brother without medicine, naturally, just by having his body heal itself through a technology that I really didn't understand at the time, but I went on a mission to understand it. To put some science behind it, to bring the science that was out in Asia over to the United States and to also create some new science and just to really understand this technology. And, you know, spent the rest of my life mastering it and adapting and bringing different versions of infrared to the marketplace and help people be healthier. That's our goal ultimately, Claudia, is, is, you know, to help people live longer lives, but Ultimately, while they're living longer lives, feeling great.

Yes.

While, you know, so that they can do as much as they can with people that they love to do it with.

Yeah, it's yes to that because, you know, some people are like longevity, I don't really want to be old for longer. It's like, how do you step into that best version of yourself now and live like that? So it's increasing healthspan and staying there as long as possible.

Yeah, exactly. We have to train now for that, you know, 70, 80, 90, whatever year old self. I mean, it starts It starts now. And I'm not sure how much people understand that. I know obviously your audience is engaged, you know, into that concept, which is fabulous. So yeah, excited to talk about it.

I'm really excited to talk about it because I think the powers and the benefits of red light are not as widely understood fully. People are like, yeah, I know a sauna is good, but, you know, can you really walk us through what infrared is, what it does, I think, and most importantly, and the benefits and so people can really understand the differentiator.

Yeah, let's start with what it is. Infrared is safe and natural. You know, it's not something that's new. It's a wavelength that comes from the sun very safely and naturally. The benefit of this wonderful healing wavelength is it provides heat and light. To the body. And there's so much benefit of heat therapy and light therapy, which we could talk about. So the majority of what the wavelength in that comes from the sun is in the infrared category. But there's no ultraviolet. So you don't have any harmful rays whatsoever. The feeling, Claudia, that infrared provides the body is that wonderful that wonderful like warmth that comes if you are outside on a cloudy day and all of a sudden the sun peeks out and you like look up and you feel that just wonderful warmth and it feels almost like a hug, like a warm, beautiful hug. And you just, your body goes, oh gosh, sun, thank you. That feels so good. That feeling is infrared. That's what infrared feels like because what it does is it heats the body directly. Without heating the air. So if there's a direct connection, this energy transfer that comes into your body goes into your cells, and then you start to feel the, the movement of your cells and the connection of the energy. You get this just wonderful vibration, this wonderful healing feeling, and you feel so much better. So that's a simple, simple way to explain. I also want to touch on the light aspect because that's what makes this heat energy different than the traditional heat, um, that, you know, people think of like rock saunas or steam saunas or those saunas in the gym that are just, you know, like 200 degrees. The difference with that heat and infrared is that it's lower temperatures because it heats the body directly, and then you have this wonderful light energy that's within the infrared spectrum that activates your body's cells and activates your mitochondria and activates your water molecules. It gets everything flowing and thus produces more energy. And which is, I mean, that's one of the keys to living longer. That's what everybody wants, right? More energy. You want as much energy as possible. You wanna feel like you did when you were 16, you know, 21, whatever that age was that, you know, you know, you had the optimum energy. And infrared activates your cells and, and stimulates your mitochondria so that you can absolutely increase your energy level. It activates ATP. I mean, it just, it is a wonderful natural wavelength that works with your body in this kind of magical way to make you feel great.

Can I ask a question on that? Yeah, just for my understanding. So infrared, you obviously have near, far, and mid-infrared spectrum. So That would also be interesting to understand. And so what's happening is that the infrared light is able to penetrate through the skin. I'm curious, like, how deep, right? I like the details. And so then it's giving that— and I love you said like that activation of energy. So you feel this kind of hug, this like warm glow. I absolutely love it as well. It's so nice and refreshing after the normal days that we typically have. And so what's it— the light is activating the mitochondria to produce more ATP. So the energy and essentially promoting circulation. Is that why? Why it's having that sort of feeling of that energetic kind of hug, if you will? Is that what's happening?

Yes, sort of. Yes. So that each wavelength penetrates or is absorbed into the cells at different places. Okay. That's what one of the things that makes, you know, the infrared wavelength, especially if you get all 3 wavelengths, which is what's in Impulse behind me. You know, you don't have to. There is benefit to just getting far infrared. That's the foundational wavelength. So let's talk about that for just a second to break it down. I'll stay at a high level, but so far infrared is the wavelength that is absorbed the deepest into the body as far as into your water molecules and your cells. And that's the wavelength that's in heat. And it heats up your body and elevates your core temperature. So the benefit of elevating your core temperature is it helps to activate your heat shock proteins. It helps to boost your immune system because your heat shock proteins are like little personal trainers, you know, inside that are just working really hard to make your body stronger. And so when you're activating them, so, you know, you are getting everything moving and it's like, just kind of picture them, you know, putting on armor and lifting weights inside, like just doing everything to get you stronger. That's the far infrared. Far infrared is also great for helping your body detoxify. So back to my brother's story, you know, because back then there was really just far infrared, so he didn't have, you know, I mean, there's a little bit probably of mid-infrared that was splashed in there in that heater that was being used because of the makeup of the heater, but there was really no near infrared and no red light. So it was just one dimensional, but that it's a great, I mean, it's a fantastic dimension. But what we learned over the years, Claudia, is the other parts of the spectrum of the infrared also provide significant value to the body. So after far infrared, then there's mid, mid that is a different experience. It's It's— you feel more heat with mid because it's a shorter wavelength and it's great for muscle recovery and decreasing inflammation at the joint and tissues level. Mm-hmm. So it's really fantastic, you know, for, for athletes and just helping your agility and your flexibility in your body. There's a study done at Auburn University about that. And then near infrared as well as red light. So the two are right next to each other. They're separated by not very many nanometers, so they're really close. The difference between near-infrared and red light is near-infrared is invisible light and penetrates the skin, um, the deepest, and out of between near-infrared and red, and then red is visible and doesn't go as deep into the skin. So those two wavelengths, to answer your question, like you were, you were talking about, they penetrate the skin, then they and they help to stimulate mitochondria and they help to decrease inflammation. Everything that you were saying, that's results of those two wavelengths specifically. And then the other two are the heated ones that help like anything associated with heat therapy, with infrared heat therapy, you're getting from those two wavelengths. So you're getting so much if you know, because you're getting heat therapy and light therapy. And our bodies, I mean, we're, we're, our bodies are solar panels, right? Like we, we absolutely, we, we have to have light energy to survive. And those people who don't, who are inside all the time or not exposed to, you know, the, the sun, so the, the natural rays, I mean, they, then they, they notice they feel different. You know, like people suffer from depression when they're inside all the time. And so you need to have that light energy for your brain. You know, for your body to survive. So the great news about an infrared sauna, sunlight and sauna, is you can get all of that in the comfort of your own home, and you can do it in a short amount of time. 30 minutes, you know, to 40 minutes is not a lot of time to increase your longevity, for sure.

So exciting, and thank you for walking us through that. Is there an optimal protocol you would recommend for, you know, how often— so you were saying, you know, 20 to 30 minutes. Is it every day, several times a day? Um, what do you typically recommend?

3 to 4 times a week. That would be ideal. And that would— if you can only do it once a week, that's better than doing it at all. And what I like when people are doing their protocols, I like them to think about how— what do you do in your life for exercise or movement? So for walking or yoga or running or whatever you're doing in that regard, it's good to mimic and have the same protocol with your sunlight and sauna. And so that's how I do it. Like if I'm going to do yoga, then I'll do yoga and then sunlight. And then if I'm going to run, I'll do a run. And then I always finish with my sauna because I find that I have this fantastic increased energy as well as increased mental clarity. Like I just come up with all these great ideas and I have such clarity of what I'm going to do because I do mine in the morning. A lot of people ask me when to do it. It's personal preference. There's no right or wrong. But I just find because of my also exercise, I do all of that first thing in the morning. I just— that's just how I manage my day. You too? Yeah. Yeah. And now I go— I have a girlfriend, really good close friend who has Arsona and she just raves about, she does it at night. Like she, at the end of the day, that's her kind of just mental reset. And she kind of downloads the day and she does all of her intentions for the next day. Like that's kind of her thing. And then she has her, her tea and, and then, you know, she does a little shower before and then she says she's got, you know, the best sleep ever. Um, but so it doesn't really matter. You get benefits either way. But the best protocol, uh, for me is in the morning and, uh, 2, 3 to 4 times a week ideal.

I'd love to also discuss how the, where's the difference with a traditional sauna? So some people might have tried, you know, the Finnish sauna or, you know, there's, there's different types or a steam room. Why, what are the different benefits or the differentiators between an infrared sauna and a more traditional Finnish, uh, sauna, for example?

Yeah, that's a great question. And I'm a firm believer that, you know, heat therapy in general is excellent. So I'm, you know, just a big fan. So there's benefits, you know, to, to both. The experience is different. So the experience in a traditional sauna, a lot of times people walk into a traditional sauna and it kind of takes their breath away. They're like, oh my gosh, this is so hot. And they can't stay in there very long. With our sauna, with any of them, we have 4 different series which we can talk about too, to choose from, which I really, really like. And we've, you know, evolved over the years to make sure we have something for everyone. So no matter what type of experience you want, we do have a sauna on that note. It's called the Amplify that if you want that, you know, burst of heat, that experience, we will do that with our infrared so that you also get all the benefits with infrared, but you also get that burst of heat. So the experience is different with infrared and traditional. And then you also have the difference of getting that wonderful infrared light energy that helps the body with the mitochondria, the cellular energy, helps to restore so many different natural functions. Infrared helps all of your systems, which is why it's so great at, you know, helping to increase your health span and increase longevity.

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There's been a study done, there's a study done on detoxifying with infrared that showed specifically that it removed more toxicants than that traditional sauna did. So, and we think that that's related to the fact that it is absorbed, you know, so deeply. And so you're really mobilizing your cells in a different way than if you're heating your body because the air is hot, you're sweating because extra the air is hot. Yeah. But when you're sweating with infrared, you're sweating from the inside. Inside out. Right. You're just purging. You, you, you can feel the difference. Mm-hmm. Now I've done this obviously a long time and you can really feel the difference between the sweat, a sunlight sauna. Mm-hmm. And a sweat in a traditional sauna for sure. You just feel cleaner. You know, it's kind of like, here's another analogy for people who know that feeling of like, being at the beach and at the end of the day and you're outside and, you know, it's hot, a lot of times you get exhausted, you know, because sometimes that type of heat drains you. Yeah. And infrared doesn't. It's the exact opposite. You know, I always say life is meant to be enjoyed, not endured. And that's the way the sauna experience should be too. It should be an enjoyable experience. It shouldn't be like you should be counting down the minutes. Of, oh my God, I've got 3 more. I can do this. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I've had that in a traditional sauna sometimes. Like, my nose is burning. It's so hot in there. I'm like, okay. Like, I don't sweat very easily, so I'm like, okay, I'm really sweating. But definitely agree that red light saunas are much more, yeah, give you that warm glow and that there's so many benefits with it as well. It's so beautiful. And I just love to touch a bit deeper into the detoxification point because so many people, whether they're aware or not, are living with exposure to black mold or, as you were saying, with the mercury fillings and the amalgams, or even through, you know, ingestion of fish with mercury, whatever the case might be, that is real poison for the body and, and left over time causes dementia and so many other diseases, gut health issues, etc. So how is the detoxification happening? Like, how is the mercury extracted from the cells as such? Like, what is happening there?

Yeah, so That's such a great point because myself, obviously, I'm so committed to being as healthy as possible. And my kids, they just give me such a hard time. They're like, mom, we don't all have to eat gluten-free. We don't all have to eat. But I mean, I really am doing everything I can while I can to help them be as healthy as possible and to limit plastics and just to limit the stuff that I know is harmful. However, with that said, like, you can't live in a bubble. And so you go outside or you go into a store or you, you know, you get your hair done and my goodness, there's hairspray and all those. Oh my goodness. It's just like, so you have to do something proactively, in my opinion, to, to get rid of that stuff because it's hard to remove it. And what the infrared does is it goes— there's so the heat and the light, well, they operate differently, right? So we'll talk about the heat. The heat, you know, when it goes into your body, it's absorbed into your water molecules. It mobilizes those cells and they really start to, um, they start to dance around. It's like a really great visual. And, you know, they, they change the bonds and everything moves, and that movement is what helps, you know, to expel toxins out of the body. You're also, when you're sweating, your sweat, you will notice your sweat is a different consistency than regular, um, regular sweat. Interesting. For example, I was talking to somebody the other day about, um, when I was talking with doctors, Dr. Um, Drisco, who is a functional medicine here in Kansas City, and this is years and years ago, and she would share with me when she would put her patients into our sauna, the, um, the people that were really toxic, you could smell the removal of petroleum and different types of, of toxicants that had, you know, been absorbed into their body. And, and then the color of their sweat was different because you're mobilizing everything. So it's it's the mobilization. It's also helping increase your circulation in your body. So infrared is so powerful for making your heart healthy. And the reason I mentioned circulation is because you're getting more oxygen and more flow to all of your organs. So, you know, the great part of your body that is critical for elimination, you know, which is your liver, you know, your kidneys and your skin. And so by increasing oxygen, by increasing circulation, by doing all of that increased flow in your body, increasing blood flow, you're helping those organs, um, to increase elimination and get rid of all of, um, the, you know, toxic substances that are inside your body. So when you're finished, you just, you feel healthier, you feel lighter. You know, if you're, um, sometimes let's let's talk about that for just one second. I don't want to mention— I don't want to mention this, but your audience is so committed to longevity and those people that are interested in detoxifying. If you're really, really like my brother, you know, have a lot like black mold, a lot of toxins trapped into your body at the very beginning, you should start slow and not— don't start as, you know, somebody like myself would start. Don't start 30 to 40 minutes. Because as that, as you're doing that process, it's kind of like thinking again, like about exercise. Sometimes when you're starting to exercise and you haven't, you know, it's really not that enjoyable at the beginning. You know, you're getting things moving around and you just need to take it slow, hydrate. We didn't mention that. And that's really, really important. Pay attention to your electrolytes, pay attention to your minerals, make sure you replenish, you know, the, the really the good stuff in your body as you're getting rid of the bad stuff. So that's kind of the essence of how the heat infrared detoxifies the body. The light energy helps because of the helping with the mitochondria. And when the mitochondria, when there's, when they're dysfunctional, the, the infrared, the near infrared and red light help to restore that function, you know, back to homeostasis, back to a normal function, which helps, you know, to detoxify the body and decrease inflammation and, you know, produce a healthier, healthier body all simply while sitting inside. So you don't have— that's the best part.

You don't have to do that much.

You don't have to do that much. You have to press a button. You know, we do have in Impulse, speaking of button, we do have 6 preset programs that are in there. So we tried as hard as we could to create an easy button. And so that if you want, we have a detoxification program, for example, we have a cardio program, we have a relaxation program, weight loss and anti-aging program and pain relief programs. So those are the 6 different programs that are in there. You just press the button that you want and it's all the brains, it's all programmed behind the scenes and The wavelengths are pulsed, pulsated, and the frequency is all preset. So the science is all done, you know, so you don't have to think about it. You just get to experience the benefits.

So it couldn't be easier, essentially, right?

I mean, that's what I always say is like, if you want longevity, if you want to live longer and increase your healthspan, there isn't any better whole body longevity tool than a sunlight sauna because you get all of the benefits you get. You get the increased brain function, you get increased circulation, so you get a healthier heart, you detoxify the body, you decrease pain, you're able to think clearer, you get more energy, you know, this cellular energy, this increased energy. Then you also get a side benefit, your skin looks better, you get a glow, you know, because you're purifying the body. And then you also get the direct penetration of the near-infrared and red light for increased glow in the skin as well. So that's one of the side benefits of combining near red and far infrared for the skin is you detoxify the body. So the skin is glowing from the inside out from that beautiful movement. And then you get the actual tactical penetration, cellular turnover of the skin from the near infrared and the red light. So I mean, wow, you know, I mean, if you just can't provide a tool that's— that provides more impact than, than all those four wavelengths to the skin.

Yeah, super exciting. And I'd love to in a moment just dig into the different models of the sunlight saunas that you have. But just before we do, I wanted to ask a question. I heard recently somebody, a doctor, recommending to actually, if you do your exercise, don't hydrate too much before you go in. You want to actually be somewhat dehydrated going into a sauna. And then you can hydrate afterwards. I don't know the— I haven't looked at research on this, but have you heard anything along these lines? Is there any certain protocol for like just before, during, after that you recommend or follow?

Yeah. So let me answer your question. I've never heard that before. And it contradicts what I have done my entire life and as well as the doctors that I have worked with. Yeah. I have found, especially for, because I think you mentioned, did you, you said that you have difficulty sweating or you don't sweat a lot? Yeah, I don't sweat easily. Okay. So especially for people like yourself, and I used to be like that, I'm not anymore, but when I, when we started the company, I was like, it, I mean, it just, I did sweat a lot. And I mean, part of that is, is, you know, there's lots of different reasons, but you do have to kind of retrain your body, which is what's great about this. So hydration is key before, during, and after.

And I would have thought so.

Yeah. Okay. You will find if it's somebody like yourself that doesn't a lot of times sweat, a lot of times it's because the dehydration. And so one of the first things that, that the functional medicine doctors that we work with, all of our partners the past 20 years, they will say, overhydrate before you get in. Mm-hmm. So that the, so infrared is, has like, it's working even more effectively. Mm-hmm. And so I would try, if you ever, ever have problems, I would try, you know, drinking a lot of water before, but I do all, all three, you know, mm-hmm. Um, for sure. And I will also afterwards, I will add, you know, some just sea salt and, um, coconut water and, you know, to my water too, to get some more electrolytes.

Yeah, amazing. Let's talk about the different sauna models. I'm very curious to hear if you can share some details about them.

Yeah, we have 4 different ones, and, um, I love the, um, the Solo. I love all of them, but the Solo is really important. I wanted to mention because a lot of times you know, people don't have the space, you know, or they just, you know, they've already spent a lot of money on their longevity budget and they just don't, you know, they're like, oh my goodness, I have a plan in place, but I just, I can't, you know, spend X or whatever. And the Solo is a good solution for those people. It's called the Solo system. It's a lie-down model. It's portable and telescopic. So the lower dome, and the, or the upper dome collapses into the lower dome, and then it also pulls out. So if you lay it on the ground and, and you get in, pull the upper dome up to your neck, and then your head is out.

So, uh, like a sleeping bag almost, essentially.

Almost. Yeah. It's a dome. So people can imagine farther away, you know, from you than the sleeping bag, but it is a wonderful, wonderful experience because you are so close to are Sunlight patented heaters. So that's a great experience as well. And there's a heater right at your feet so you feel that just wonderful infrared heat coming into the soles of your feet all the way up. There's also heaters underneath you on the Solo pad. So I mean, you literally have 360 degrees of infrared surrounding you. So that's the Solo system. And then we have the Signature, which is the same technology, the same thing as the Solo, but in a cabin. And we have different sizes of that and different wood choices. And then Amplify is the one I talked about earlier that we created for that person that wants the benefits of infrared, but wants just a little bit more boost of heat. And what's great about Amplify is we have these full spectrum heaters that are in front of you and you can turn them on or off, which I love. So if you don't want that day, you know, to have this really extra boost of heat,, then you can turn it off and Amplify goes hotter. So it's a hotter experience than all the other saunas. So that's, if you want that, that's the one for you. And then Impulse, which is a unicorn. I mean, it is, there's nothing like it anywhere in the world. And that is 4 different wavelengths independently and then also combined. So you have far infrared, mid infrared, near infrared, and red light. And then those are all blended into those 6 programs that I talked about. And what's so powerful is you get the most amount of all of them separately. So you're getting all of this power, but then we're also blending it depending on the program together at different frequencies to target the science to make sure you get like the optimum detox result, the optimum pain relief result, optimum cardio, et cetera. So those are the 4 different series. At Sunlighten, what, what we take a lot of pride and passion in is helping you find the right fit for you and not spending a dime more than you need to. No matter which one you get, it's important that you know that we have a patent on our infrared delivery, so you can't get more infrared anywhere else than at Sunlighten because we have a patent on it. So you get the highest quantity on the market with the most infrared density. Product available. So no matter which one you get, so you don't— it's important, you know, you don't sacrifice anything. You can just pick which one is right for you and our team will make sure and take care of you. Amazing.

Connie, for my listeners interested in understanding more about infrared and saunas, where, where are some resources? I don't know, online, etc., where they could learn a bit more?

And educate themselves? Really, it's all into our website, sunlighten.com. I mean, we have a great blog about longevity that I would really steer people towards, talking about how infrared can help with the hallmarks of aging and really making sure that we help with the mitochondria, we help with the cellular aging, we help with inflammation, like, and, and explains deep, you know, how we do all of that. We have great blogs on any type of benefit that you're looking for, you know, like sleep and inflammation and detox. And weight loss and skin benefits, you know, depression, all that's on our website. And then, you know, icing on the cake is we are providing a discount for your listeners and your audience. They just have to make sure and mention you and the, you know, your company and so that they get access to that discount. That's the most important thing.

Thank you so much. And for people listening, we'll link that in the show notes below. So thank you so much, Connie. Very generous. For you, dear audience. Connie, do you have any final ask or recommendation or any parting thoughts or message for my audience today?

My parting thoughts would be if you haven't, you know, experienced infrared or if you don't own a Sunlighten yet, you know, like we talked about at the beginning, I think it's so important to start training today for your older self so that you can always be mobile and agile. And like my personal visuals in my head is I always want to be able to lift a suitcase overhead. I always want to be able to get down on the ground easily without touching anything and get back up easily without touching anything. Like these are simple things, but as you age, your mobility and your agility, you know, changes. If you don't take care of yourself today, you wanna keep your body, um, away from inflammation. You could do that with nutrition. You could do that with water. You could do that with a lot of different things. Infrared is again, a whole body longevity tool that, um, is great to do while you're doing your other, um, your other things like nutrition. So I would say if you haven't done it yet, I mean, it's, there's no better day like today to get started. And you don't have to go all the way up to Impulse. You can get started with the Solo. You can even not even get the pad, just get the domes, you know, but just get started. You know, I think so much, so many times in life, I, myself included, I'm so not perfect, you know, I make mistakes every day, you know. Um, yeah, but then the next day I'm just like, stop, stop resisting doing something because You either don't have enough time or you don't know if you'll finish or, you know, so many things you keep yourself from doing before you even start. And if you just show up and start and do it, you'll be so surprised and so rewarded with all these wonderful benefits. So that would be my thought that I would leave people with is just get started, you know, and then let all of the wonderful healing and let the beautiful momentum and let all the things that are going to happen.

Let it happen. Beautiful. Thank you so much, Connie, for coming on, sharing your wisdom and all you're doing to spread health and longevity in the world. So thank you so much for coming on. Thank you, dear audience, for listening, staying tuned. Such a pleasure to have you with us today.

Thanks, Claudia. It was so great to meet you. I hope someday we get to meet in person. That would just be— I'd love