#98 Rich People Think Differently.
13 Oct 2025 · 11 min
Codie Sanchez breaks down how wealthy founders grow businesses: nail your customer avatar, price 30 to 300 percent higher than you think, and hire top performers instead of settling. The episode also warns against chasing fame when profit matters more.
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The scenes so you can be in a room with eight and nine figure entrepreneurs to learn how do you sell things to rich people so you can make more money. We're gonna break that down exactly. And I'm gonna tell you things that most people have to pay a lot of money for. All right, so today we got a room full of seven and eight figure entrepreneurs all here for. Are they able to double their business inside of one year and can they do it in 48 hours?
Where are we right now?
Miami. I want to do more showing and documenting as opposed to creating. Like we're not a traditional business creator in the fact that I run a bunch of businesses so I'm not just talking on the Internet about stuff that I'm doing. We run a holding company, we have a venture capital firm. We own one of the fastest growing trade franchise companies. I try to squeeze as much time out for companies content as I can, but I don't have a ton. And so if there's a chance for me to actually just talk about what we're doing and people can see it live as opposed to yap on the Internet, I'm into that. What happens when you get in a room with a hundred other people who are building businesses, seven, eight and even nine figures. You realize that there's three things in business that you need to nail or you'll never make any money.
What's up?
Thank you. Can I trade you? What's up, man?
Hey, Tony.
I didn't know you were going to be here. I'm so glad. And the first one is, do I even have the right customer? We call this avatar analysis. What's going on guys?
How's it going?
Shannon was so funny this morning. She's like, I have such a good song. Can you just wait a minute? I want it to play and like you to walk out to this and then that's that song. I'm like, I'm not that hard. Like, this is. That's so cool. I'm not cool enough for this song. If you do not know who you are selling to and you do not realize that the person you are selling to has to want what you're selling not to be sold what you're selling, you're in the wrong business. Do you know why Amazon is one of the most valuable companies in the world. They know you. How about Instagram and Facebook? Why is meta so valuable? They know what I want to buy better than my husband does. They nail their avatar so perfectly that they can create multi, multi billion dollar companies. So I do not want you to set this and forget it. I want you to obsess upon the person that you sell to. Because if you know them well, you can sell them more things at the exact moment that they want to be sold. And so they will thank you for taking their money. That is actually how business should work. So we do an entire system on can I find somebody who is already predisposed to want what I am selling? I actually don't believe in sales. All right, thanks everybod. You've got a marker on your chin. Oh, good. It's fine. Keep going. Where are we going? Sup, dude? What's going on, crew? Second, you gotta nail your pricing. So most people underprice. They also don't have multiple options because there are always about a thousand true fans you have who want to pay you. More often, businesses are underpriced by anywhere from 30% to 300%.
Why?
If somebody wants to give you more money, wouldn't you give them a shot at doing that? Anyway, we teach them how to do that. So I want you guys to take like five minutes. Oh, sick. Yeah, leave it at the floor, my little gremlin. This is mine, right? What are you doing here? Oh, they're. Oh, they're working on their breakout. Okay, you got an anor, you got a cookie, you got a laptop market a galvani.
No.
And then the third thing is hiring what I call cheetahs versus house cats. Both cats. Right, but not equal. One of them you really want on your side when you're chasing down big prey, when you're hunting things. And the other one is sort of snuggly. But Matt, the number one thing about hiring I've realized, is if you aren't good, how are you going to attract good talent? You got to level up before you can get a players to choose you. The number one thing you can do to become better at hiring is become better yourself. That's why we have communities where we teach people how to become leaders and business owners. Because I like to steal somebody else's 10,000 hours. Where are we going? Oh, there's an elevator.
Right.
Okay, Liz.
Tell me what the difference between your relationships with the people in the eight figure room and the other room are.
Eight figure entrepreneurs are really easy to help, actually. Why? Because when you have more money and more resources. If I fix one thing in your business, it's very easy for you to get a seven figure return on your time. I think a lot of times, what do we obsess on?
Goals.
Right. I always say, don't tell me what you want to get. Tell me what you're willing to give up. And I think in business it's, don't tell me what your goals are. Tell me what your tracking.
Are there any people in that eight figure room that run a business that you think would shock people how much they're making from it?
Yeah, there's a woman in there that has a feed business for milk cows that does nine figures. You don't put a GPS in your car and go, maybe, I don't know, we might make it, we might not. You're like, no, no, we're gonna make it. Because I'm tracking the right things. It's so much easier just to grow big businesses. Like, I could just keep doing that. But trying to show people how to go from zero to one, hands down, the hardest thing that I do.
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That I'm an idiot that believes in something, which is that I believe we should have more ownership in this country. It's what I think people need help with. It's also what we get shit on the most on the Internet because everybody loves to say reasons why something won't work. And I'm like, motherfucker. I'm just trying to show you that it's possible you can. We don't teach small companies how to do this. And I think that is broken. I think that is why we went from 80% ownership down to 6. Because all the big guys who have figured this out refuse to teach anybody anymore. And then they shame anybody who does teach it because they don't want you giving away the secrets. And I think that's a tragedy. It's way easier to just be quiet, only help rich people build big businesses and never focus on 0 to 1. But I just think that's selfish. Hey you. Do you want to come to an.
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Do you know there are lizards here that change colors? This is totally unrelated.
I did not know that, you big reptile person.
I'm a big animal nerd.
I was listening to you on the phone yesterday. You were talking about a YouTube video.
Man.
Our audience really does not like cinematic shit up front. They want the numbers and whatever.
What's it like having to wear not only an entrepreneur's hat, but also thinking more about the creative side of things?
It's my favorite part right now. I've just done finance and investing and running businesses for so long, but I'm pretty new at media. Contrarian thinking the media company has revenue as its main goal. Very easy for employees to understand, but it also has followers. Why? There's a big mistake, I think in business building. Haven't you heard a lot where people say that you should have one North Star metric? If you follow your North Star, you'll win. And I think that's why so many companies fail in order to steer a boat. If all I do is have one North Star, AKA one left oar, what happens? You want to circle. But if I have two ores, which is a left qualitative And a right quantitative metric. It feels a little to the left and it feels a little to the right, but you are going straight. How annoying would I be if I was on the Internet every single day just telling people to give me money to invest in companies, Sell me your company. If I was spamming every single day, I could make a lot of revenue. I could probably triple our revenue, but my follower base would suffer and so I would hurt my long term growth prospects of the company. So that's my collar. Simultaneously, if all I obsessed on was followers, well, we'd go out of business because we wouldn't make any money or we'd be only fans or because we would just be racing to number of followers and that's it. So you need a metric that kind of collars the two this generation. A lot of people want to have more notoriety online and I totally get that. I mean, I'm online and I think there's massive of value to it. But that part to me is not a real business. What benefit do you have if a video gets a million views across the country? You're hyperlocalized. You'd much rather that you were on a local television segment or something that your target demographic saw. My main channel is my podcast for getting clients. What is my next step? I'm thinking getting 10amazing guests by the end of the year. And by 10amazing guests you mean 10 of your clients who you have made money. Oh, right. Well, that's a good one. That would be better because let me tell you why. If all you do is get 10amazing guests, say I get on your podcast and I'm like, well, I've got Alex Cooper on, she's one of the biggest names out there. Joe Rogan on, I've got whoever on the podcast. Do you think your conversion will be higher with those people or would your conversion be higher with somebody who you made a million dollars nailed. Your avatar was exactly in your niche. You have a B2B business for a B2B business. I would never go pure social media marketing in a billion years. You do not want your life and your face and your lifestyle to be a business. It has terrible enterprise value. Meaning you can't sell yourself as far as I know. Two, you're getting yourself a job, even maybe a fun one, not a business. And three, people go a little zany when they get too well known. Just be careful what you wish for. I can't remember who it was. It was a famous actor.
A go man. I want to be rich and famous like take rich. Yeah, you know what I mean. You know, famous is not. Not going to make you happy.
I think that was Ben Affleck.
Was that Ben Affleck? Have you guys ever heard Ben Affleck speak in Spanish? Incredible. He talks like my family does. Anyway, just be careful about going after notoriety alone. Get that cash first.
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