How to Complete Overhaul Your Health in 2025

Welcome back to the Big Deal podcast. I'm Cody Sanchez. For those who don't want to just be rich, but free and willing to do what it takes to get there. Okay, today, Aaron Alexander. This man is an absolute savage. He's trained Laird Hamilton, he's trained Aaron Rodgers, he's trained a bunch of a list celebrities, I can't even say. And he doesn't talk about them on the Internet. But what's most interesting about him is it's actually not about fitness today really at all. This is about how you work, what your work setup looks like. So if you have back pain at all, different knee pain, hip pain, you're gonna wanna listen to this. If you want to figure out how do you attract more people through your body posture. If you wanna know if you look like a beta or an alpha just from the way you're presenting yourself, this is for you. Also, if you are at all interested in physiologically, how do we get more healthy in our day to day without having to add a bunch of fucking biohacks that nobody has time to do? This is the episode for you. He also talks about perineum sunning. So there's that. Also, you guys, we did a study and we realized 82% of you are actually not subscribed to the channel. So you watch the videos, but you haven't hit that little subscribe button. So do it right now so we can get bigger guests, better guests, more fun things to do for all of you guys. Let's get into it. I think you can talk about this.

I can talk about whatever.

I saw you doing some crazy training with Kelly Slater, Laird Hamilton. Oh, right. Whoops. Other surfer. What's the deal? Do these guys bring you in to do training with them? What does it look like to train with a surfer underwater to hold your breath for 47 years? How does that work?

So Laird was just like mutual connections. And I was working with Aaron Rodgers at the time. So I went through all of his rehab and such during the season that he tore his Achilles. And Laird is neighbors with Aaron. And so we reached out to them and to go over and just like do some pool training. Just kind of like diversify the type of training. And also training with community is really helpful as well. And incorporating like all the metabolic stuff with breath holds and temperature regulation, all that stuff.

But you, I mean, these guys are pro athletes. They ostensibly know how to work out. What do you bring to the equation? Because you do some crazy shit that I've seen on the Internet, like, like what Are you getting them to do that?

They're not doing previously, I think. I mean, I would have a BS joking response first, but going past that, I think probably just diversity. The main thing that I specialize in, which I don't really talk about so much, is bodywork, Manual therapy, Rolfing, structural integration, is something that, I don't know, probably nobody really knows what that is exactly. It's a type of manual therapy or bodywork that focuses on fascia or connective tissue and also specializes or focuses on the integration of the body. So traditional massage therapy is oftentimes like effleurage. You're, like, rubbing all of the tissue. When you're working with fascia specifically, it's kind of more like slow, deep contact, and it's about rehydration of connective tissue and unbinding fascial layers. So a person can get, like, stuck in their body from sitting around all day long or from doing the same repetitive motions. Those muscle bellies will start to. Agglomerate is the term for it actually, like, bind together. That becomes dehydrated. You almost get, like, stuck in your movement patterns. My specialty would be unbinding those patterns and then integrating that with movement. So first you do the bodywork stuff, and I do a combination of, like, you know, you've seen me do, like, acro yoga and a bunch of weird stuff, and then the manual techniques and then integrating that with movement. And the movement's what? Kind of like, it's like pressing save on the file. So if you just get a massage and you come out and you're all, like, loose and you feel great, that's lovely. But then you typically will just go back to the same patterns afterwards. And so reteaching a person new movement patterns so that doesn't come back. And then the next layer would be going in and checking out a person's home, checking out a person's work life. Like, how do you actually engage with your body for the other 85% of the day? Because your training is a very minuscule part of your actual, like, movement experience or movement practice throughout the day.

That's fascinating.

So, like, a holistic lens on movement and training.

What is Rolfing exactly? That sounds kind of painful. Does that hurt?

Yeah. Rolfing comes from a gal called Ida P. Rolf. It's kind of in, like, a similar vein or family as osteopathy, naturally. Yeah. Right. And so if you've heard of fascia, which has become like, a popular term in the last whatever decade or so with trainers and Yogis and stuff like that. That was kind of like the, like the. She set a lot of the foundation groundwork for people to start really investigating fascia. And so fascia is this infinitely complex connective tissue that's binding all of your organs and your parts and all the structures in your body. It's like the communication network for your whole entire body. And it works specifically with that network.

Interesting. And so if somebody is in pain, in particular because of a muscle movement or like you said, too much repetitive action, then they would come, and first you would sort of dig into them with this Rolfing technique. And then you would do maybe first.

I would probably look at their breath. So I did private practice working with clients and specifically manual therapy for like 15 years. And then that kind of shifted into the podcast and, you know, other stuff, social media and online programs and all that. But when I was specifically like all day, I'd see like, you know, four to six clients a day. And, and that was kind of like my game. And so anytime someone would come in, I would watch how they. It's a little creepy, but I'd like watch how they would get out of the car. I'd watch how they walk in. So I would like observe their movement and their patterns and their breathing and all that stuff before they would actually see me. Cause now they know that I'm like analyzing. So one of the big things is breath is the foundation of everything. So if you are feeling stressed out chronically, if you're feeling like sleep is challenging for you, if you're chronically having like tense muscles, hypertonicity, your breathing is going to be the foundation for regulating all those systems. And so if a person is chronically like stuck in an inhalation, like, you know, that's like what happens when you get surprised or you get scared. You have a full exhalation, like even just doing that now, like, you know, going into an interview or something like that, a really beautiful thing for you to do is emphasize your exhalation, also slow down your pacing of your words. You know, you can even. Like that will start to just naturally start. Your voice will start to get a little bit deeper, you know, and so your vocal cords, it's all a tonicity thing. So if your vocal cords are really tight, you start talking like this, you.

Start going really fast.

If you slow fast things down, it's kind of like a bottom up approach at augmenting the way that you feel, modulating your state, you know, changing your state. Tony Robbins stuff. And so something as simple as that, like you can probably feel right now, even just me slowing down a little bit, just doing a sigh, because we're always attuning to each other, you know, and you're big with communication and rapport, closing deals, all that stuff. If we're communicating in such a way where I feel nervous, which coming into this, I was a little bit nervous because I want to, like, do a good job for you. And so in that previous to that little bookmarked moment where I exhaled, I could observe myself being a little bit. Talking a little bit faster, my voice probably even a little bit higher. Just that simple exhale. And a pause and even like a breath hold. You know, all of that. What's happening when you exhale, it's actually causing your diaphragm to raise up, and it's causing the blood vessels in around your heart to get a little bit smaller, which causes your heart rate to slow down. It's called sinus respiratory arrhythmia is the fancy term for it. But it sends a signal into your blood vessels in your brain, say, okay, let's slow things down a little bit. So activates that parasympathetic side of the nervous system. So if a person is coming in and they're tight and their traps are tight and their jaws tight and their hands tight and all that stuff, for you to just go in and start, like, banging away, chipping away at their shoulders, it's fine. It will have effect, but it wouldn't have as global of an effect as if you just first started coming in and just worked with their breath. So do some ribcage stuff. You could even just work with a person. You can conduct really good therapy, like manual therapy, just through language, just through communication. Because if I communicate in such a way, it will affect your nervous system. If your nervous system is affected, then the tone of your muscles and your connective tissue is also affected.

That's so interesting because there's this study that we reference a lot about how unders and over performers have sort of an unbalanced impact on people. And so if you're around top performers, top 10% performers in any company, those top performers can increase your performance by about 15%. If you're around underperformers, they actually decide decrease your performance by about 30%. So I always thought about it more as a execution of job activity. But it's really interesting that it could even just be, like you said, you're influenced even by the way that you breathe and how fast you talk and that nervous energy Kind of transfers. Do you find that to be true?

For sure. And also, I wonder, within, you would know more about this than I would, but I wonder within a company just having 100%, like, over performers, I wonder if that's almost imbalance in and of itself, where it's nice to have like a jester around or someone's like, they're just a silly bitch and they lighten the vibe and they bring happiness and joy and connection and this like, familial tie to the team. So, like, they mess up every now and again, but they just make everybody feel so good.

Yeah, we've got a personality hire. She's also good, but her name's Lindsey and she self proclaims herself to be a personality hire.

It's an important thing.

Yeah, she was dancing in my office the other night at 8:30 at night. I'm like, the fuck is wrong with you? But Biel smiled and you're right. I think that it's really interesting. So even as like a member of a team, you could bring sort of different energy to the team and probably be highly valued from that too, and.

It would affect the direction of the company. So if the company is just about the bottom line and the ROI and the numbers, it's cool. You'll get, you know, money and assets, you'll acquire things. But ultimately that probably won't lead to, like, a higher quality of life to the same degree of, like, I enjoyed every step of the process, and I died with a hundred million dollars, but I enjoyed the whole process totally. Compared to, I was just grinding through my Life. I've got $100 million. I don't have any friends. I was just like, I've, like, I missed it. And now I'm on my deathbed and I'm like, holy crap, what am I gonna do with all this paper?

Yeah, exactly.

Come on.

A lot of paper.

A lot of paper.

I'm gonna start calling money paper from now on. Like that, you know, I'm like, trying to envision you, like, walk into two huge celebrities. Aaron Rodgers or Laird Hamilton. Do they ever think it's weird when you bring these ideas to them? Like, how do you. How do you. How do you ease them in? Top performers just already know this stuff and they know it's important.

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Laird. Well, I mean, Laird and Aaron, they're super, like spiritual people. So for them, it's not irregular at all. For some people, you know, whatever other like big time celebrity type folk that might be a little bit more like linear that I've worked with or just people in general. For them, it would be more meeting them where they're at or everything is business deal. Like, everything is sales, everything is rapport building. And so if I meet you where you're at, then you can trust me because ultimately you want more tribe. That's, that's similar to yourself. And so similar. Like a starting point would be like, the way I dress. We just happen to be wearing the exact same thing right now.

We're buddies.

Yeah. So that's a cool thing. So already immediately there's a little if. I mean, we already knew each other before and like had rapport and connection, all that stuff, but if we didn't immediately upon connection be like, I like her a little bit more. Right?

Because we like people that are like us.

We like people that are like us. We want us to win. Right. So we want our tribe to win, you know, and so then the next thing would be like matching the fingerprint of another person's nervous system, which sounds a little like poetic and wanky to say, but you know, the way a person, the cadence of a person's breath is something you will naturally start to attune to. And you're going to attune to whoever is the most like alpha in the room, you know, and typically the most alpha person, hopefully is the most calm person because they're relaxed. They don't have anything to like hide or protect from, unless they're a king, in which case then they put their throne in the back of the wall so there's nobody behind them and they can see, you know, all of the minions in the crowd and there's like a threat. They might be a little more stressed out, but if you're leading, like from Beside, and you're actually like a leader that's, that's, you know, respects people within them. Probably you're pretty calm because you don't feel like people are trying to like assassinate you. So that would be something that you're naturally going to do to bridge connection with somebody is you're naturally going to start to mimic their breathing pace. So that's something that's pretty interesting. You're going to naturally start to mimic their facial gestures. You're going to actually start to mimic their body language. So if I go into a room and people. Are you mentioned like tech neck stuff? If people are kind of like slouchy and tech necky and, you know, maybe they haven't been outside very much and they're like the space, skin's pale and they're drinking a bunch of BPA or whatever. I don't want to come in and be too like full throttle, chest out, you know, Jack tan glass, water bottle, spiritual crystals. It's too much, right? So I need to like wind it back a little bit. I need to kind of like, okay, I got to fit in a little bit, calm down. You know, it's maybe a little slouch is fine. You know, I don't need to be doing like some pigeon pose in the middle of the meeting. Like, I can kind of like relax into this a little bit. And then we build connection and then from there we go into like, okay, now I have something to share with you. And so if a person that's more type A structured, then for them it's going to be like, okay, we're going to get, we're going to go through, we're going to do blood testing, we're going to give you lots of documents, we're going to set goals and we're going to measure your calories and your macros and we're going to give you a structured program and something you can follow and trust. And then from there, once we build that bridge of trust, then we can start adding some of the other esoteric principles.

That's wild. So you probably are incredibly observant with people. Like just extreme body awareness. Like very observant, naturally. Is that part of.

I think we all are. I just put language to it.

Interesting.

Yeah. That's what's governing the way that we communicate. You know, there's like, I don't remember the specific. I think it's the 30, 38, 55, 387 principle of body language is the suggestion is that 7% of our communication comes from the Actual words that we're saying to each other. And then 38 is coming from the tone of the way that we communicate. And then 55 is coming from body language. And where that is relevant is if there's conflict between the two. So if you're just talking to somebody on the phone, obviously it's gonna be a little bit different. But if you're in communication with somebody and I'm telling you some words, you know, I'm saying, like, you know, I'm a big fan of you, you're doing a really great job. But maybe I'm saying that in a tone that is kind of like fast or high pitched, or maybe my hips are facing the door. Maybe I'm like a little bit fidgety. You're like, I don't trust this person. So that little 7% of the actual words you're saying is significantly less than the tone and the body language. And so then it gets into, like, if you want to be successful in your business or your closing of deals, for you to have the capacity to have the flexibility and range of motion with your facial gestures and with your body language and with your. The movement of communication that will allow you to adapt to a broader set of environments. Whereas if you're stuck in your body, you have one mode. You're good for somebody and some group of people, but you're not good for everybody, which is valuable. If you want to be like a gear that's really good at a thing, which some people are, and that's perfect, that's great. But if you want to be able to walk in 25 different rooms and be able to kind of make. Make deep connection with quickness in those, it'd be helpful for you to probably explore things like dance, you know, or like work out or get yourself, like, get yourself healthy so you have a broader range of motion of the way that you can communicate.

I never thought about it that way. Speaking of which, like, let's say that you're, you know, you're a young dude, you want to project confidence to women, you want to engage with them confidently. What body language do you put out there? What would you tell them to do?

Relax. So people like to be around people that make them feel good, right? So if you can make people laugh or not make people laugh, if you can open up, you know, the potential for laughter or whatever, a little weird, sadistic, like make somebody laugh. But if you can open up laughter and lightheartedness, like, that's obviously be helpful, but that's something that's a little bit, you know, harder to like, teach. Something that's really, really easy to teach is just chill, you know, so if you go into a place and people were stressed out, they're feeling anxious, they're worried about whatever the thing is. And for like, whatever it is, just whenever Bobby comes in, everybody just like calms down a little bit, you know. So for a woman, what a woman generally wants and what anybody wants, but I think women probably even lean higher in. This is safety, you know, so one wants to be able to trust, and she wants to be able to feel safe. She wants to be able, like, she can put her guard down. Women are like prey animals in a city. You know, Like, I would imagine walking around a city and being as like a. Like a semi attractive woman. You just have the sensation of everybody wants to eat me, you know, so guys, I think daily. Yeah, yeah. You know, and I think there's probably a lot about women that men don't understand. Them never be able to understand. Cause they don't actually understand. Like, to me, I actually look forward to the idea of someone breaking into my house because I have a gun, like, sitting underneath.

You're a psychopath. My husband's just like this.

A lot of guys are.

So have you fantasized this out fully?

Like, have you thought about, like, what happened last night?

So what's the protocol?

I was on the phone last night. I was talking to somebody. I'm going to Miami for the winter, and so I have somebody that's gonna be staying at my place. I'm talking to the phone. I'm naked, I'm in my bed. We're talking. We're just like BSing about whatever. And I hear something downstairs. I'm casually talking on the phone. I reach underneath my bed, I grab my gun. There's like a little flashlight thing on it. And I'm walking around the corner with my gun as I'm having a casual conversation. Conversation with the girl. That's not what a woman experiences. Nope, nope.

I'm not like, this thing is, it'd be better if I was naked. I don't want to walk. I mean, I do have a couple, so that is part of it. But no. Chris, my husband, has a full projection of what he will do.

I think about it several times a week. I'm not. Not embellishing.

Wait, I have another man question. Do men also often think. I have this friend, Sam Parr, and one of his favorite things to talk about is he goes, you know, when I'm in a Meeting with people. Sometimes I just look around and I think I could beat them all up.

Is that all the time? All the time. Particularly less. Less. If I'm so different things bring out different personalities. Right now, I've been obsessing, boxing and kickboxing so that it's almost like you have this, like, imprint of your body if you want to, like, punch and kick and you start to see the world a little bit more aggressive in a way. Jiu jitsu is a similar thing. If I'm training jiu jitsu a lot, which I haven't for a while, but I used to, it's a similar thing. Like, you're just looking and you're like, okay, I can grab the wrist, a little wrist lock, or come up behind them and, like, rear naked. And it's just. I think it's just like boredom, really. We have so much time on our hands, you know, and our brains just want to create. And I think men naturally want to protect. Men want to feel purposeful. And like, the highest expression of purpose and like, an immediate sense for a man is, I can protect a woman physically. It's like. It's like. It's like the thing that most men, no matter their size, big, small, whatever, like, they're praying for that moment to be able to. It's just like a dog. Like, we both, you know, recently did the thing with mutt love and all that, and I've been fostering a dog. What she desires most is just to feel like she was purposeful for me. So she barks and all that stuff. She doesn't really care about somebody out there. It's just she wants to, like, show up for me and protect. That's what a man wants to do, for one.

That's such a good point. Yeah. That was really cool. By the way. We should give them a shout out, which is Muttlove Rescue for Belgian Malinois. And you were really cool. I posted on my Instagram and was like, we're trying to get 10 puppies fostered. It was like, breaking my heart too, because they're beautiful, intelligent dogs, and we had a hell of a time getting them fostered. And you were one of the very few people that were like, I'll take one. And, you know, it's not like your lifestyle makes that easy. It's not like you aren't traveling around all the time and with stuff to do. And I thought that was really cool. Yeah, well, you know, a lot of people talk about all the reasons why they can't do things. And that was not you.

Yeah. Something else that's interesting is I'm holding this T. Have you heard of any of the research where when people hold like a. When they read a resume of someone and it's from on a, like a heavy, thick, what's it called, clipboard, they will perceive the resume as being like weightier and more sturdy and like more trustworthy. It's a similar thing if there was research done with people holding a cold beverage versus holding a warm beverage. If as we're holding. This is very clever. I mean, you guys didn't do this intentionally. But me holding a warm beverage right now based on the research would cause me to have more of a sensation of perceiving the world around me. Including like where I'm projecting my focus being you.

Yeah.

As being more warm and like open and like. Whereas if I'm holding like an ice cold lemonade here, I would see you as being like, project the lemonade onto my world around me.

Yeah. I've actually heard that research, but I've never thought about using it. That's actually quite clever to think about, you know. And if you bring people into your sphere, can you have warmth? I think about it actually. That's not true. I always have a warm coffee when I film because I'm pretty in my head and you know, linear maybe, as you would say. And so a lot of the stuff that I talk about is like deals and duh and money and that can feel harsh and it can feel cold and it can feel mean, maybe even. And so when I hold a warm beverage, then for some reason it reminds you to smile on it. Yeah. I used to have to have a sign that Samuel made for me, my videographer, that just said shut up. What did it say? It said smile, bitch. Because I just wasn't, you know, I was like. And then the next step is. And that's not really very. You want to. Even if you're going to learn from somebody, you want to like them.

How do you infuse the way that you project yourself is. Would be like traditionally a lot of like the masculine principles in the way, like business. How do you infuse. And masculine, feminine is just like a concept. It's not like an actual thing. And it doesn't relate to sex, but masculine directive, head of the spear, get things done. You know, show up on time, feminine, colorful, nurturing, you know, show up 25 minutes late, like it's all good. I'm just here for like love and beauty, you know, both men and Women share those things. Has nothing to do with sex. How do you infuse femininity into your life?

It's hard. It's really hard. I think I talked to you about this when we did that workout. I'm like, I'm trying to be more feminine, which sounds like the dumbest thing ever to say.

Yeah, you can't. But. So that's masculine.

Yeah, exactly.

I'm trying to be forced.

Steps to be in a female.

Okay, well, we gotta rework that. It's not gonna work.

But you know what I've found a lot of times is, like, when you want to feel something, just pretend you feel it, and then you often start to feel it. And so I like. Yeah, and I felt that with, like, I don't actually care about makeup and hair and clothes very much. And I really didn't. When I started, I kind of thought it was like a waste of time. And, like, I look the way that I look and, like, I'll do whatever. And then I realized it's not very feminine. And also, like, maybe I could play with it a little bit. And so then I started doing more makeup and hair and, like, playing around with jewelry and getting my nails done. And so I started doing these things that are perceived feminine, so. So that maybe I would feel a little bit more feminine coming into it. And then I ended up, like, loving it. And I had a lot. Yeah, I had fun with putting it all together and sort of the creative aspect of.

So the funny thing is, like, when a person is, quote unquote, like, faking it till they're making it, they're moving themselves into those positions, which isn't fake at all. And you are modulating your nervous system, your breathing patterns. You'll choose maybe textures that you wear, maybe more like, soft and fluffy, or maybe they're kind of, like, sleek and sensual and you can, like, feel your body. You're, like, more touchable for, you know, other people, like, hopefully your partner or whatever. And as well as yourself, it actually physiologically changes your state, which ends up augmenting the way that you think and the way that you feel. And so it's. It's actually like a real structural, tangible thing. The faking it till you make it, you're creating physiological change in that process of, quote, unquote, faking or faking anything. You are the conductor of your physiology and your thoughts and your feelings and your emotions. And so if a person is feeling a certain way, which, you know, right now, it's like I was reading this morning about, like, Americans probably, you know, the Western world going through, like, a friendship recession where loneliness is becoming more and more prominent, particularly around young people. And, you know, depression is on the rise and anxiety. And I think a lot of this is. Is a lot of people are quietly suffering, because I would presume this is my experience with quietly suffering is you don't want to project. I'm actually feeling lonely. I'm actually. I feel like a loser. I feel disconnected. I feel unlovable. I feel any of these things because you have an internalized fear that that's actually gonna make you be, like, a social pariah. So you have to front and pretend like you have your shit together. And then you're around people because we're always rapport building and we're always attuning to each other. So now you cause other people to put a front up, and now you have these superficial, vain, plastic relationships when underneath, what you really desire is just to feel safe enough to be vulnerable.

I think you're very right on that. You know, and it's interesting because I think, you know, we talk a lot about community, obviously, because we buy community businesses, we buy small businesses. And I think one of the. The biggest things that we've done to our society today is that we've kind of like sucked the soul out of everything that used to put us together. And that's. That's to be a gross generalization. But think about it. I mean, I talk about it with the team. I don't buy. I'll buy any of their food that they want, you know, while they're at the office working or whatever. Coffee, you know, lunch, whatever, but not from a big corporation. I'm like, if you want a coffee, it's not from Starbucks. It's from the local coffee shop. And the reason why is because you feel. Or at least I do, when I go into a Starbucks, they don't spell my name right. The place feels devoid of community. It used to be a third place. It no longer is. But when you go to Persian Cafe down the way, like, oh, like, I remember, hey, Sally, good to see you again. And like, you run into a friend there, and it feels communal. And I think we've done that, at least from a business perspective in a big way. And I think that trickles down across everything in society.

How important do you think? 1. I'm also noticing that you're crossing your legs as well, which is great, to be fair.

I do this all the time.

Oh, good. It's so much better for your health.

Is it really? Because I just find it much more comfortable.

It's so dumb that we sit. Like your legs, your feet, your whole lower compartments are so far away from your heart in this position.

Oh, that's true. Why does that matter?

Well, it's helpful for circulation, it's helpful for digestion. Like you want to get your blood back up in your center, right. And then also being in that position. There's nothing wrong with sitting. Like sitting is fine and a chair is nothing wrong with a chair. It's just a tool. It's just the body needs some level of semi perpetual, like agitation to be able to circulate, you know, so there was another point that I was gonna say, but this is also, I think, relevant and valuable. One of the things that's really important is we have these waste management systems in our body called our lymphatic system. And the places where your lymphatic system has the high incontinence concentration plant glands are in places of a high volume of movement. So back behind your knees, in your groin, in your hip area, in your abdomen, in your shoulders, in your neck, these are all places that just through evolution, they were placed there because naturally you would be walking across the plane or wherever the heck you're walking at, depending upon your belief system, you would be kind of rinsing out those anatomical positions in the body through movement. So you're going like this with the rags today. So you're naturally running your waste management system. You're picking, that's like the garbage collector picking up all the old trash all day long. A person can start to get toxic and sick just in their own sedentary ness. And so when you're sitting in that position and you're chronically flexing those positions, you're crimping off all of those valves and all of the precious tissue, the glands and such, in the hips and in the knees and in the, you know, the neck. You have the forward head posture stuff and you have the shoulders rolled forward, all that stuff. You're literally taking all of those plumbing systems, all those pipes, and you're going. And then you're wondering why you have fill in the blank form of dis ease like you're toxic. And the way that you circulate your toxicity is through movement and expression. So expression could be by becoming a more expressive person and communicating like they do in Italy or Spain or anywhere in Latin America, they are actually cleaning themselves in their communication and their connection.

I've never thought about it that way.

It's really important.

That makes all the sense in the world. I've started getting lymphatic massages. Really enjoying it.

You don't need a lymphatic massage. You can literally just do it yourself. Take a dance class.

Wow.

Yeah. And the nice thing I've actually people. If people are interested, there's a. I just posted a video on my YouTube channel with a guy called Perry Nicholston where it's. It's called.

It's just Aaron Alexander at YouTube.

The YouTube's Aligned podcast. Oh yeah, Align podcast. But one of the clips we posted, it's like a seven minute clip or so. Perry Nicholson, he's like the OG in lymphatic massage. One of the most important videos I think a person can watch. He calls it the big six. And he takes people through this really simple lymphatic drainage exercise. And it's really simple. You like you rubble on the collarbone bone, you rub around the armpits, rub it on the stomach, rub it on the groin, rub it around back of the knees and you kind of shake yourself up a little bit. Takes like five minutes. I'd highly recommend starting a little practice like that because it opens up those channels for your body to be able to circulate.

How often do you do that?

You do it every day.

Every day?

Yeah. And it's also just nice having physical touch with yourself as well. People are very touch deprived, which is a whole other conversation. There's a woman. So in my book, the Align method, which I brought up, the. One of the chapters is all around the value of touch. And there's research that I included in there from. It was in the University of Miami, I believe. And the woman, Dr. Tiffany Field, she wrote a book called Touch. That's interesting if you want to go deeper into that. One of the things that she included in there was they did research with premature babies that were in incubators. And traditionally the lens would be, don't touch them. They gotta keep it sterile. You don't wanna get sick. And they said what they started to introduce is like, I think these children need like the most human thing, which is love and connection. And that sensation, that deep visceral sensation of safety that arises from like, I'm safe with you, like I have mother's contact. What they did was they introduced, it was just 15 minutes, if I remember correctly, 15 minutes of little like baby massage twice a day. And they found that the babies were able to grow, I think it was like two times faster. They're eating the same amount of food but suddenly, just all of their systems, they go up into like, oh, cool. Like, we can heal, we can grow, we can go in that parasympathetic rest, digest, heal, repair state because we feel safe. And so if you're a person that's banging away in your computer trying to make lots of Bitcoin or whatever, and you're just at home in your house, like, untouched by anything, like, your only physical contact is on the cold, hard, sad stool that you're sitting in front of your cold, hard, sad laptop. And it's just flat and it's banal and it's empty and it's just numbers. If you're in that place, what you really need is a hug. Hello, friends. Guess who? That's right. It is I, the replacer. Once again, I've been called on so you can play the new Call of Duty Black Ops 7 with three expansive modes, 18 multiplayer maps, and the tastiest zombie gameplay you've ever freaking seen. Call of Duty Black Ops 7 available now. Rated M for mature.

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You really need a hug.

I think this is the message for like all of X, like every single person. Twitter needs that. Actually, it explains so much.

It would be very helpful. You probably care less about the numbers on the screen and that's what happens if you're more There's a book by a guy called Daniel. I think it's Daniel Migglechrist. Daniel Miguel Christ. It's called Master and His Emissary. And it's about the left hemisphere, right hemisphere dynamic. And the left hemisphere is more like that kind of male, dominant, rational, get it done. Right hemisphere is more creative, expressive. Let's just throw paint in the wall and go take a vacation and have fun, love each other and then we'll die someday. It's gonna be great. That left hemisphere masculine spearhead. Get it done. What happens is if that gets too much momentum and it gets too loud, it drowns out that side of life, the nurturing and love. And so a person will become addicted to the numbers on the screen and they'll become addicted to the concept or illusion of winning while they're potentially hurting themselves, hurting those around them, hurting the environment, hurting their community, but it's because they feel empty and what they really need is love. And then they start making decisions like, you know what? I don't want to support that big evil corporation because I don't care that much about the bottom line.

Right.

Like, I want to support people that I love and care about and I want to feel loved and cared about and I want reciprocity and I want connection and I want to take care of all of the world. Like, that's of a higher value to me than, you know, netting an extra whatever, $100,000.

Is that why you're a long hugger?

Yeah, I think it's. I think it's a little everybody. I gauge my hugging off of other people. If it's, you know, for you, I'm like a midway hugger.

Okay.

You know, I just kind of like, subtly try to like, respectfully nudge.

I'm like, you push my hug boundaries.

I'm kind of like, I'm here for more if you want. No. Okay, we're good. We're good. If you push it and you're uninvited. Not good. Not good, not good.

Okay. And then how long is the longest hug that, like, you do normally?

I've had some, some good 30 second hugs. I would say 30, 45, because what's nice. What's nice is, is. And this, I wouldn't want to do this if they're like a little deep.

Breath with each other too.

So I.

That's where I draw the line.

So there's a term. I lived in Hawaii when I was. I was 18. And you did a podcast with Brian Callan recently.

Oh, my God, he's hysterical.

I did a podcast with him, I don't know, years ago when I lived in la. And one of the things, a joke that he mentioned, we were like, talking about traveling was like, you know, hashtag worldtraveler. However, like, subtly, you know, name dropping. Suddenly, I live in Hawaii. No big deal. You know, all trying to like validate there or. In Hawaii, they call white people Hollywood. Haole means without breath. And so the white man that came, I think it was like cook or whoever came and kind of like pillaged and killed and kind of like took the land from the Hawaiians. There's probably a lot more details to it than that. They were. They would not greet each other. That the way the Hawaiians would do. The way the Hawaiians would do is they would go up and they do like, a little like, connection with each other. We're not going to do it. But they do, like, almost like a little Eskimo kiss. And they would exchange breath with each other. So we'd say, oh, hey, how are you doing? What's going on? How's the day? Let's get to work.

Wild. Every time.

I mean, I never lived in Hawaii.

In the 1700s of society.

Yeah. It would be a much deeper form of connection. Whereas now the handshake, from what I understand, I think handshake is like checking to see if there's, like, a weapon, which is pretty antiquated. Unless you're in Texas.

That's normal. Now it makes sense.

So think about that, what that does to a culture.

Interesting.

So if you're in a place which is like the Dunbar number, you know, place like, less than 400 people or whatever, it allows you to be like, I have a place in. I used to live in Bend, Oregon, and I still have, like, residents there. And so I'll go up there every now and again. And Bend is a place that I freaking love because it's kind of like a little, like, Hawaiian Eskimo type culture. It's a small town. People really care about supporting local. They really care about, like, doing right by each other. Like, you could literally, in Bend, Oregon, you could walk up to somebody randomly on the street and be like, hey, bro, I'm having a rough time. I lost my wallet. Could I borrow 20 bucks? I bet you 35% of the people you walk up to be like, of course. Keep it. No problem. And it's like, that type of place because, like, I know that I'll see you again at some point. And, like, you are me in a way. When you get into a big metropolitan city, people start talking faster, people start walking faster, People start bumping into each other. Like, I don't have time to apologize. And they're gonna see the person again. Screw them.

Yeah.

What that ends up doing is it reflects back on yourself, I think, as well. And probably, you know, would make you feel a little bit more, like, alone in the world. That's a little bit of, like, presumption and projection. But I would think being in a place where you feel like the safety of the whole entire community in town, where it's like, you have the time and space. If I say hello to somebody, I actually want to connect with you. I want to, like, feel you. And then we'll get into whatever we're doing compared to, like, I want to check you for weapons, and then we'll move on. Come on.

That's true. Well, these days Too. I feel like I have to ask.

You, that might be a little bit of a stretch.

Are you a hugger? You know, I'm like, that's what I do.

I say, are you a hugger?

Yeah.

And then I say, are you a lung hugger?

No, you don't. With the eyebrow raise. I have Botox. I don't think I can do it like that. I don't know. You know, you're a good looking, tall dude. I'm sure that works out for you. But they're like, yep. I love how Aaron talks about energy management, how the way we move, stand and breathe either fuels us or drains us. That philosophy carries over into finances too. Domain money is about optimizing your financial energy and helping you do all the smartest things for your money. Instead of trying to DIY your money plan, their team of expert certified financial planners create a strategy tailored to what matters the most to you, freeing up your time and mental bandwidth. It's like having a trainer who ensures every rep and every movement counts. Only this time, it's for your financial future. Here's the best part. You don't have to waste hundreds of hours trying to figure it all out. Get all of your money questions answered and have a clear step by step plan tailored to you. And if you're ready to start making the most out of your money, we're offering a free 30 minute session to show you how it's time to make the smartest investment of all, yourself. Go to domainmoney.com Cody Sanchez to book your free strategy session today. So I was reading something from Brian Johnson the other day and he was saying that poor posture is killing us. And also the bad posture makes less people want to have sex with us. Is that true?

Well, the bad part one, it's not a moralistic thing, it's just what are the results that you're seeking. So if you put like a moralistic judgment on something, you'll probably put yourself into a double bind and you'll create like this feeling of like guilt and resistance and all that stuff. So it's like another energy of contraction which will actually perpetuate disadvantageous posture. Yeah, you know, so if what you're doing intention is to allow your body to circulate all of the vital fluids and open up the nervous system to be able to conduct itself and send signals efficiently and to allow yourself to be in a place of balance and allow your central nervous system, that is your spine, to be able to, again, something like nervous system, be able to convey that Information from the guts and, you know, the rest of the body and the skin, all that stuff to the brain and vice versa. You'd really want to clear those channels and open up space. And the way you would do that would be by creating balance or neutrality. And so if the neck is chronically in that, like, jutting forward position you're crimping off, this is like. It's like a main super highway. It's the confluence of all of, you know, it's your brain trying to reach down and send and receive information. 80% of the information from your vagus nerve, which innervates all of the organs for the most part, is actually coming from the organs to the brain. So you're receiving a tremendous amount of information from the body to the brain. You're not just brain based, you're very body based. Every person is a thinking body, they're a thinking, feeling body, like a sentient body you need to innervate and alive in the body in order to support the function of the brain. Dance. There was a. There was research done from Albert Einstein Medical College that they were measuring which type of activity would be the most effective for staving off cognitive decline. And they found by far, dance to music with a partner is the best thing a person could possibly do to stave off cognitive decline.

Latinas get it, huh?

Yeah, they get it.

I liked the dance move because one time I saw you do some crazy shit on Instagram, which was you. A strip or pull dance moves.

Oh, did you see that? I don't even remember what that was. You know, that was a while ago.

Is that part of the dance?

Big stripper guy?

Yeah. Really?

Yeah. I was actually a burlesque dancer.

What, like for an audience?

Yeah.

Tell me about that.

Performed in Portland.

Tell me about that.

It wasn't professional. I think I maybe I think I earned $40.

You killed it. Number one burlesque in the country.

But I invested in bitcoin.

So now you're rich and moving to Miami. This all tracks interesting. So why the stripper polar? Is that just something you think is because you're strong so you can, like, lift yourself up?

Any form of dance is amazing. Dance is one of the best ways to circulate in an abstract way. So what happens is people end up and you're also connecting your body to rhythm, which is a whole other element of cognitive connection. So if you're just going to the gym and you're like struggling through bicep curls and tricep extensions, it's great. Like metabolically you're having effect and you're releasing more bdnf. It's like the, like the miracle grow for the brain and neurons and all that stuff. And you know you're circulating blood and you know you're. You're releasing endorphins and like all this like, feel good stuff, but it's still kind of like dumb. So you're just pumping the system, you know? So it's kind of like sometimes if I don't have time with the dog, I'll just take her for a run on my bike and we'll just run for a while until she gets tired. That's one version of exercise and movement to like get out the stuff within the dog. Then there's another version where she can actually go out and she's like in a field and she's chasing squirrels and she's abounding over limbs and logs and all that stuff. Or we're like training her and that's turning on all of these other gears within herself. Dance is one of those amazing things where it's like this shotgun. It's like this perfect electrical storm of all the information that your body needs to grow and thrive. So Zumba in all of any form of dance I think is fantastic. If I had one movement modality, practice or whatever that I could do for the rest of my life, it would be having access to all the forms of dance and probably like calisthenics. Interesting resistance training, really important for bone density. But if you're doing dance, I would cheat and say, well, I can pick.

People up, but you're pretty buff. It's the way that you get strong. Dance or do you have to lift heavy weights?

No, I do all the things.

All of them. Now, what about. We were talking about posture, but where I wanted to really get to is your work setup. The way that in your mind, a perfect desk Work setup. What does it actually look like?

There's a company. Technically, I think I might be an owner, a part owner of them, which you like, but it's a very small percentage, so it wouldn't affect me at all.

Okay, we need to work on your distribution. Yes. Like 10.

Technically, I might. We did a thing, but I think it was a pretty. I don't think it was like a major thing. Or we're like in conversation with him, but the company. I'm not saying this because of that, but the company's called Appeal Design is the name. I have one at my house and it's a sit rise desk, so it goes all the way to the ground and all the way up to standing. So that's really great. So the solution of, like, the standing desk is still a pretty sedentary position, and you're still, like, pulling all of your fluids and lymph and all the different things down to your lower body. So if you could sit on the ground, which I know is, like, absolutely insane for some people, except for, like, every healthy country across the planet, forever. Like, so the places in the world that spend time on the ground with regularity, where it's just normal, they have minimal to no incidents of osteoarthritis in the hips and the knees. Pelvic floor dysfunction is, like, not so much a thing. Fall risk is the number one leading reason for elderly needing to assisted living. And if you are getting up and down off the ground with regularity, like, like evolution or God or whatever your belief system designed you to do, none of that is a thing. Like, we're just failing our bodies. We're just, like, forgetting about our bodies. And it's so easy to go back to some of those, like, quote unquote, like ants. It's not ancestral. It's just. It's just like being a human. And so it's. I think it's weird when the idea of a person being able to, like, get up and down off of the ground is, like, a thing that just, to me indicates how far off we are and how, like, far gone. It's like, holy, we really need to turn this thing around because it's. That's, like, that's not okay. And so, and so, so within that, when you're on the ground, like, digestion is better, there's more blood. You know, it's closer to your heart, it's easier for circulation. So something that I would recommend would be setting up your workstation one, if it is a standing desk, then get yourself some different tools so you can change your hip positions. So get yourself, like, you can be literally anything, a ball, a rock, you know, some, like, anything to a stool. So you can take your sacrum and your lower back in and out of extension. So you can raise a leg up, put yourself into flexion on that side, Just kind of like oscillating. Like, pumping the sacrum is very important, and also pumping the knees and ankles. If you can get all the way down on the ground, I'd recommend. And I won't go too long in this because it probably gets boring at some point, but I would recommend raising your hips up above the height of the Knees. Get yourself like a big floor cushion of some sort, meditation cushion, whatever. The thing is, stack some pillows up. Make sure your hips are up above the height of your knees. So if you put a ball on your thigh, it would roll down toward the knee. If you're doing that, that's going to set the pelvic floor and the lumbar spine up for stability. You can like stack on itself. You want a subtle tilt anteriorly so you be on the front of the bones on the bottom of your butt. It's called the ischial tuberosities. So you want to be able to sit, boom, like plug those bones, bam. Into the ground. Think of it almost like a socket. Like a male end going into the female end of a socket. Those bones are kind of like the two prongs and the socket is kind of like the ground. And so if I go and I fold my male end of that, I go in, I'm kind of like, oh, I can't get conductivity in there. There's all sorts of like Eastern esoteric stuff that suggests that it's like connects your energy and all that stuff through your body, which is true. It's just, I don't think it's so valuable to talk about it in certain rooms, so it's easier to talk about like the structural stuff. So, but what that's doing is it's balancing your lumbar spine, your lower back, so you can actually hold weight through your shoulders. So ideally you're practicing a position through a good chunk of the day that if someone put their, their hands down your shoulders or you put like a 50 pound weight on your shoulders, you'd be like, no problem. If you're doing that, it's such a massive hack because now you are, you're starting to turn your like, fitness into just who you are. Right. So the way that you think about business, you walk into a tea shop or you have your. I read your book. So if you have your house cleaner come to your house, you just. Who you are is business. Like, who you are is an owner you've identified with, that it's become a part of who you are. Which is why it's like intoxicating to be around you in some ways because you're like, oh my God, like, that energy, like people want that. That's why you're so successful. Yeah. And so what I do or what I'm attempting to do with, you know, anybody that comes in contact really is like starting to reshape our perception, really very similar to the way you are of fitness not being a thing that we do, but. But it's just who you are all the time. So when your house cleaner comes, just who you are as a person, you're like, how can I optimize this? How can we get involved? Is there some way that we can expand this? And it can be like a mutual win for us? It's just how you see the world.

You are like that too. I remember when we worked out one, I start getting better posture because I see you over here. So I'm like, oh, shit, I gotta sit up straight too.

Sitting up straight can be a problem.

Oh, no.

Because you can add tension in the body anyways.

I guess that probably makes sense. Yeah.

We need to make a roadmap, which is why I, you know, wrote the book. Do the programs do all the different things so that a person can realign, reorient their body in such a way that they actually relax into alignment. They relax into success. You're not trying to be successful. You are successful.

Mm, interesting. A couple other things that you do that I thought was interesting. It's not just the floor and the movement with your work set up, but you also have some thoughts on inside versus outside. You have some thoughts on, like, other things that you structure a day that is, like, healthy for Erin. Can you talk about some of those?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, sunlight is like the. It's like the energy currency for your body. It's what stimulates your mitochondria and stimulates ATP and is helpful for skin health, and it's helpful for libido, and it's helpful for mood. And it's like you're pouring. You're like plugging the gas pump into your car by just exposing yourself to the frequencies of the sun. There's nothing new agey or spiritual about it at all. It's just science. It's just the way that it is. And even when you're eating food, much of what you're getting from the food is you're getting the energy from the sun in the form of something that you can chew on. But what the hell is an apple doing all day long for? You know, however long it takes for an apple to become an apple, like, it's just absorbing through photosynthesis the energy from the sun to turn into this red thing that you consume that you're pretty much just eating. Sun, like what sun and water is what you're eating and, you know, the nutrients from the soil. No, but what causes that apple to grow without the sun? It's not going to do anything, you know, so. So thinking of the sun is actually a tangible, objective, like nutrient that you're consuming. I think is a really valuable reframe. One of the biggest issues in, in the world. Well, sun against the eyes is really important as well. But allowing your eyes to be able to relax and take in the panorama is incredibly important as well. You've heard, I know you're a fan of Huberman. He's a sweet dude. He's one of the things that I learned from him that is just, is just, you know, the reality is that your eyes are neurological tissue. You know, they're a continuation of your brain. I would suggest your whole entire body is as a continuation of the brain. There's no separation. That's all story. But your eyes, when they are going into a panoramic view, that is, they're like they're taking in the whole room. You're kind of like just space and out. That is sending a signal to your autonomic nervous system that it's safe to be calm. So you'll probably notice if you, if your eyes relax, you look up into the clouds, you look up into the trees, you're just taking a brisk walk, you know, and just kind of taking it all in. You will probably notice, you'll calm down, you'll probably notice exhalations get a little bit longer. You'll probably notice maybe your pacing or language slows down a little bit. You're just kind of like when you're up close and you're looking into a screen and then you look five feet out to a wall and then you look eight feet out to a wall, then you look back to a screen and you're getting non native artificial frequencies from these lights all day long, which is a very small bandwidth of the actual frequencies like you'd be getting from the sun. Even though it feels bright in here, the actual lumens, it's a measurement of light that's being produced by these guys is like a minuscule fraction of what you would get even on a cloudy day in the sun. So the amount of energy that you're getting by just being outside is immense. And then also you're allowing the fitness of your visual muscles to be able to go through a full range of motion, which in a way is almost like an exercise or a workout for your nervous system. So if you can oscillate in and out of myopic focused vision into panoramic, that is much like what you would do every time you Inhale and exhale. When you inhale, it's more sympathetic. You're hyped up a little bit. When you exhale, you're parasympathetic. We go through these oscillations all day long. When you get stuck in myopia, you're stuck in contraction muscles in your eyes, ciliary muscles, among other things, they contract in order to refract that light. You're actually contracting muscles in your eyes in order to be able to look at things up close. You're actually relaxing muscles in your eyes in order to be able to take in the whole view. So it's actually muscular contraction. It's like engagement to just be inside of a room.

Fascinating. You know, one of the other things that I didn't realize was that I was looking up studies on how many Americans have chronic knee pain. 40 million Americans have chronic knee. Knee pain. My husband actually used one of your programs to help with his knees and the pain that he has there. My dad has, like. I don't know, I think he's had, like, two knee replacements, maybe even gone in for a third one for something that went wrong. Talk to us about, first of all, why are Americans knees so fucked up? And then how would one even start to think about going and fixing that? And I know you have programs that.

Help people with that. One of the big things. And so Ben Patrick, who. It'd be great for you to talk to him at some point because he's, you know, he's amazing in the realm of business. He repopularized. Thankfully, he wasn't the first one, but brought it into more, like, common, you know, popular conversation of the value of getting your knees over your toes, you know, so that came from some pretty. Not great. I was gonna say, like, bunk research, but not great research. It's accurate. And the suggestion is when you put your knees over your toes, you're putting more stress on the knees. But stress on the body is what causes hormesis and causes, like, the body to respond and get stronger. And so that would be something that would be of value as a person not having fear of taking the knees through a broader range of motion. Kind of like the sun. If you're afraid of the sun, you'll probably get sick. If you're afraid of any aspect of yourself, like, if you're afraid of yourself, it is getting a little bit, you know, maybe a little bit too esoteric. But to be afraid of those different ranges of motion will end up atrophying those ranges of motion. And so that would be something that would be a really major thing, like just squatting down on the ground. You're taking your body through a more fuller range of motion. So if you could spend some time in a deep squat, you were going to be compressing all those connective tissues and kind of like realigning the connective tissues just by the passive process of going through, you know, a squat. If you're going through a lunge, if you're spending some time, time floor sitting, you know you're crossing your legs. It's kind of like two pigeon poses on both of your legs. So you're getting external rotation on each side. You could go through a 90, 90 position. Now you're going medial rotation one of the sides and external rotation the other side. Switch the other side. You're just taking all of that connective tissue through a broad range of motion so it can stay hydrated and stay healthy and stay responsive. When the system starts to become disengaged just from lack of movement, that's when the system becomes dangerous. When the system's dangerous, it would rightfully so. Will probably start sending a signal of pain to say, like, don't do this. Like, I don't trust you anymore. So that would be something that would be supportive, would just be taking the knees. Like, don't be afraid to take the knees through a broader range of motion. And then the other thing, you know, the knees could be like, just like the whipping boy between the hips and the feet. So the feet are so brilliantly complex, you know, and so they have what is. It's like 33 joints, 26 bones. I believe there's like 7,000 plus nerve endings in each foot. Like, they're so complex, you know, and so they just want to feel and sense the world because they're sending information to the rest of your body of what the heck's happening. Like, since the beginning of ever until now. We are in shoes, which. I don't like your shoes, by the way.

I don't like my shoes either.

I love your shoes for you sitting on that chair.

Yeah, exactly.

I love them.

That's really only what.

I love your shoes.

I at least don't wear stilettos.

That's fine. I love your shoes for 45 minutes at a dinner thing. Yeah, I love your shoes for walking from point A to point B to get a photo and then you take them off, you know, and you hang out usually barefoot in there.

I should have known. For you.

I love all of the. I love all of. Like, there's no style that I don't like in a temporary state. But if it becomes chronic, that's when you really are probably shooting yourself in the foot. And.

Let me give it to you.

Let me give it to you.

Okay, this is good.

And then you're going to be whacking all these moles, doing all this crap when, like, the foundation of where your whole entire body rests upon is being. Is being compromised, you know? So that would be. If a person experiencing knee pain and I was treating them, the first thing I would do would be work with their feet, like, bar. Non. Hands down. And then from there we go through, like. And then I'd work with their hips and see what's the alignment of their hips. And then from there we go through movement patterning.

So do you think we should be barefoot more often?

Yes. Yeah. Like, duh.

Like, how much? How often?

As much as you can do. I'm getting so mad.

I, like, I see some viral moments right here. Yes. No shoe club.

Yeah, no shoe. Yeah, just. Just, you know, whatever. Baby steps.

Yep. Got two. You got two. Wait, so are you. You go on an airplane? Do you take your shoes off on the airplane?

Yeah.

You don't stick it.

My shoes are off so much, my feet. Don't they smell bad?

I think this sounds like man math. This sounds like boy math right there.

Mansplaining. Foot stink.

But I guess that's probably true. They're not constrained.

It's true.

Yeah.

I want to get my shoe off because I don't want it to smell bad.

Interesting. Wait, I want to play a game. Okay. The game is, do you think you could tell if a guy is an alpha or a beta by their body language?

Yeah.

Okay. And let's do it with some celebrities. How about this game?

Sure. Okay.

Ready?

I'd have to see him because I'm not good with pop culture.

You think I don't have a photo of you? Yeah.

All right, cool, cool.

Okay.

All right, here we go.

How about Harry Prince Harry Meghan Markle?

Oh, my beta. Yeah. The girl's super alpha in this photo.

Super alpha.

Yeah, he's like. He's like her. Like poodle.

Yeah.

Like, just protect me.

Kind of looks like that. Okay, what about. What about Will Smith? Jada Pinkett Smith? You see that down at the bottom?

Alpha, but trying. Yeah. So there's, like, there's. There's insecurity and so, I mean, I don't want to say because I have friends.

Just a photo.

Yeah, whatever. But I would. And Will seems like a great person and I've heard from, you know, whatever. So it feels weird, you know, but what I see and could be my projection and probably coming from my own insecurities, I see like a trying.

Yeah, what about Travis Kelce, Taylor Swift there fucking beta.

So alpha what we do. And I'm saying this again, this is more projection because this is like my life path. A person that is pronounced like chest out, all that stuff, beta. So that's a person that's trying to be alpha and they feel insecure and they're trying to project out, I can hurt you, you know, I'm confident. A person that's truly confident. Like there's a fight between, I don't know, Pfaul, ufc, but there's like an iconic. It's like the shortest fight in the history of the UFC between Masvidal and Ben Askren flapping gums at each other. Any chance they get the fight clock.

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If you look at Masbidal's posture before that there was no like, you know, Conor McGregor, like, machismo, you know, any of that stuff. It was, he's sitting back on the cage, hands behind his back, ribs down, shoulders, kind of relaxed. He's. He's like actually like well stacked in his body. He's not crunching over like tech neck. He's just stacked and aligned but relaxed in his body. Bell rings, three steps, flying knee into the face and the fight's over. That's alpha as shit. And so that would be how I would describe, like the epitome of alpha posture.

Yeah, you know what's interesting just given how, you know, Chris's background. And, like, on Sunday, we were with a group of, you know, very. As Chris would say, very violent, dangerous men. And what's interesting is they're the nicest. They're the nicest.

Yeah.

They're the calmest, quietest.

Yeah. They don't have anything to prove.

They're the calmest. And often, if I wasn't sort of familiar with what to look for, because I've been with Chris for so long now, I would have never known.

Yeah, that's Alpha. And that Alpha is in a train.

Yeah, it doesn't. But, you know, there were a few moments, like, I remember talking to one of the generals and, you know, and I was asking some intense questions, questions about the army and what's happening here and how do we think about this and why. Why should we have trust in these instances? And he was incredibly kind and calm in a way that I wouldn't have imagined. But I could tell, like, I don't even know what the body movement was, but I could tell there was, like. There was a movement where he was like, I don't like that question. But proceeded to, like, very kindly ask. But it was in that moment, too, I was like, oh, don't forget this motherfucker's tough. You know, he's. He's been through it. And even though he's being very kind and nice, there are, like, little moments where you can see through. You're like, oh, thankfully, society is the way that it is.

Yeah. And that's why you can't. It's really hard to, like, fake stability and safety in a relationship. And that's why oftentimes relationship. I know I'm, like, going, like, a tangent, but I think that a lot of this stuff comes to the surface with, like, polarity dynamics in a relationship. And it's very hard for a person to, like, try to be more safe or try to be more stable or try to be more, like, trustworthy or try, like, whatever those things, because it's. It's actually an intrinsic nervous system thing. It's, like, so much deeper for you to have that depth of calmness and ease, that, like, quiet strength that just comes from you doing hard shit and you knowing who the fuck you are.

Yeah.

And if you don't, because you just. It's not a bad thing. It's not like you are forever Beta, or beta is even, you know, beta is really important to have in society. There's no, like, you know, right, wrong, bad, good. Without Beta. There's no Alpha, you know, so it's like, even beta is like, it's great. Like, play beta every now and again. That would be the ideal situation is. And that's just the reality of most things. Most people are not permanently alpha. They're Alpha for a while, and then they're beta for a little bit and they're Alpha for a while. That would be like a good teammate.

Interesting.

So if I'm alpha, but now suddenly I'm with my football coach and I shouldn't be like, alpha machismo guy. It's actually, oh, no. Like, he's the leader. And then we break off from the coach and I go out. Now I'm the leader. So that would be good. I would presume, like, any team dynamic to be able to have that. It's the same thing, like the fluctuation of being able to move through body language. And it's how you create rapport and respect.

Right. Because a beta, and in some instances might just mean number two. It might just could be an incredibly strong warrior type human. But just in the second position.

Yeah. And he's a person could be so strong that they're comfortable and confident in the number two or number three or whatever position. Because what I care about is the team. I'm not living this solipistic life where it's just about me and I have no awareness or consideration of those around me. That's how you lose. And so right now, what does the team need? Oh, the team needs somebody to be funny. Room's too heavy. You know, like, I'm gonna start cracking jokes. I'm like, typically, like, I could kill people. I can get shit done. Everybody's in this tense place. Like, I'm gonna be the jester. There's no jester here, okay? There's just a bunch of jesters here. We need to get our shit together. All right? I'm gonna be the leader. I'm gonna be the alpha. I'm gonna be the head of the spear.

Yeah. And because you're a big guy, I've found often you do use jokes to, like, lighten the load.

You think because I'm a big guy, I do that?

I don't know. Maybe. I think because you could be perceived as, like, serious or, like, strong or if you came in and my team, you know, if you just walked in and were like, hi, I'm Aaron. Hello, everybody. Yes, I'm ready to go. You walked in with a fucking 45 pound kettlebell. And if you weren't making jokes that would be weird, you know, And a schmedium, sure.

So like, just fresh out of the dryer.

I'm sure you are also very playful, but I think that probably helps. Right? Chris is the same way. He's very. He laughs a lot and he's always the funny one.

Oh, yeah, it's like the anti.

Very dangerous.

Like the anti Napoleon complex. Let's lighten up a little bit. Room's fine.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I want to talk a little bit about. I want to talk about sleep. You know, I think people today, obviously we're having a hard time sleeping. That's really common. It happens a lot to women especially. I keep hearing as we get older, it happens to women after we have kids. A lot of my. My friends that are women that have kids that are fit, they're healthy in all the ways that you might perceive externally if you're normal. But they want that Sleeping Beauty blacked out, can't hear anything. Deep kind of sleep, and it's escaping them. What do you do to sleep?

Well, well, again, I'm not the sleep guy, but I talk to a lot of sleep guys and I'm very interested in myself and I've done a decent amount of research on it and I sleep okay. Not always, though. I mean, sleep, sleep. For me, the biggest thing that modulates my stream is how safe I feel in my life and how much certainty I have. When I feel like I have certainty in my life, I sleep like a baby. When things get put, like, lifted off the ground, I'm like, oh, my God, what are we gonna do? You know? Or, you know, worried about a relationship thing. Relationships are probably the main thing that causes me to like, intimate relationships. Yeah. Yeah. If there's like, that's something which probably like eliminates some kind of like emotional codependency type thing that I have where it's like my co. Regulation with the person that I'm with. If we're like, off.

Yeah.

I kind of go into this place of like, this must be fixed, you know, and if it's not fixed, I'm like.

Sleep. And that's what gets you.

That's one of the things that get me.

That's very vulnerable.

Yeah. But so I think all of the stuff aside, like, we do so much, I think it's just like minutiae, you know, of like our hacks and it's just a bunch of nerds, you know, just like watching too many TikTok videos and, you know, reading too many Brian Johnson headlines.

Of articles tattooed on the upper thigh.

So dumb. It's so dumb. Like, if you feel safe, if you feel loved, if you have, like, joie de vivre, you're looking forward to your day tomorrow. You had a great day where you feel gratified and you feel like you exhausted yourself in the best possible way. You probably sleep really good.

Yep.

You know.

Yeah. And you don't need 47 pounds of magnesium followed by a bath.

So that's the foundation that I don't think enough people are talking about, because, I don't know, there's not a lot to sell in that, for one thing. And you don't sound that smart. You sound wise, but you don't sound that smart. And so, like, I think there's, like, an energy towards, like, I want to sound smart, you know, and so with. I think there's probably a lot of that where we hear a lot of these information. And we're also. It's not just someone smart. We're looking for simple solutions, but we don't want to do the work.

Well, you actually have a line that I loved, which was that you said, avoid modifying your neural chemistry from the inside with medication. Rather alter your environment from the outside to produce the results you want.

Oh, it's cool.

Did you like that, Cole?

That's nice.

You seem slight.

It's a little too. It's a little too pedantic.

Okay, well, what do you mean by that?

Or what would you mean today by it? It's right. It's accurate. So it would be like cellular biology. I did a podcast with a guy called Bruce Lipton. He wrote the Biology of Belief. He, like, popularized epigenetics. And in that. In our podcast conversation, people could even. Even listen to it. He. One of the things that I remember him mentioning to me, he also mentions in his book is if you want to change a cell in a petri dish, you don't do anything to the cell. You change the. The culture that it resides within. That's a big deal. So we're trying to do all of these different things to, like, change our cells. Meanwhile, we're in a quote unquote, like, you know, toxic or, you know, maladaptive is probably a better, better word. Maladapted environment. And we can take all the supplements we want. We can wear all the blue blocking glasses, what we want. We can do all the different grounding mats and, you know, cool our bed and all that stuff. Well, actually, no, I actually kind of disagree with myself. Some of those would be examples of Changing the environment. So I do align with, like, changing the light for an example. So that would be an example of the petri dish that you exist in. You are existing in the culture of the light that you're being exposed to. So that light refer to Huberman or somebody else other than me to go, like, much deeper into that stuff. But something that's interesting, the frequencies of these lights, they're plugged into an alternating current system instead of a direct current, like the sun. And so these are actually. It looks like they're just on, but they're actually flipping like a strobe so fast you can't see that it's strobing. Right. So that's a little bit. Yeah. When you look up at it, what does your body do?

Yeah, it doesn't like it.

It doesn't like it. You don't want that when you're going to bed.

Yeah, that's true.

Pretty simple.

Yeah.

Yeah. So you want, ideally, turn all that off and go back to, like. It's like, things are so, like, moronically simple. It's like, go back to what nature would do and introduce nature into your life. If it's nighttime and it was pre Edison or Tesla or whatever that race was like, and the light bulb didn't manifest in 18 whenever that was, what was the year of the light bulb?

I have no idea.

I don't know. Whatever.

Real public mess.

Let's call it the 1870s and tell.

Us how dumb we are.

So it's like a hundred and twenty some years ago, forty years ago. I don't know. It might be, like, way off.

I'm pretty sure our parents had a light.

But before that, when the sun goes down, you get no blue light. It's done forever. And now suddenly everybody's getting sick, everybody's getting fat, everybody's getting anxious, and it's like progressively it's like. Like this hockey stick into illness. Meanwhile, we have access to all of the health stuff we could possibly have, but it's all minutiae because you're not accessing, like, the wisdom of nature, which. You sound like a heretic. Like a crazy person to say some crazy shit. Like, nature is really soothing and healing for the body. You're like, sell me a supplement, baby. Just go outside, and when you're inside, do inside more like you would have done in nature, like, when people were healthy.

You're right. You can't sell anybody with that. Okay, I want to end with two things here, which is one, you. I want, like, I want to Do I want to talk about this for a second? So this is your company and you showed me how to use a bunch of this stuff before. But you travel all over the place. You don't have a ton of things that you have to have. If you were gonna travel without a ton of things, what would you have? Is this some of the stuff you would have?

Yeah, I bring resistance pins everywhere you go. Yeah, that's an authentic thing. Yeah. So this, so this, the, this is the strength kit. So strength kit. Because it just has a bunch of bands. You can do a bunch of different things with it. And with this, what's nice about it has a door anchor. So you can attach the bands to the door anchor very simply. And then you would plug the door or plug the anchor up to the door. And then one of the things I really love to do with it is.

Just, oh, God, I haven't used that this way before. This is smart.

It's super smart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'll use it mainly for joint mobilizations, less than exercise stuff. I do, I do the other ones for like, you know, assist pull ups and dips and different types of training like that. But the main thing, I'm very lazy and so the main thing that I use the align band system for is for mobilizations and also breathing. So something you could do. Tie the door anchor up to the top of the door, put the band in there and then wrap around your hips and then just like walk away from the door. Stretch yourself out, open up, go into like a little down dog. Open things up. Use it as a feedback mechanism. It's kind of like body work. So press the band up against different parts in your body where you might feel tension. Use your breath to connect with that band. Stretch yourself open. Go through just different mobilizations to create some hydration in those parts of your body. Do it around the shoulder. If your shoulders are chronically rotated, protracted, all that stuff that's not pretty. You're not going to have sex. A lot like Brian Jones is use the band to pull that shoulder back and then you can start to stretch open in the neck. You could go through different ranges of motion. You do PNF stretching and you could do, you know, contract, relax. You can do, you know, all these different techniques which, whatever, but just the band stretching yourself out and just going through whatever, it feels intuitively good. Just if you just do that after you get off a plane, in a hotel room, anything like that, it's me, very, very helpful. You're opening up your Lymphatic system. You're like, you know, getting your posture into a more stacked place. You'll be a little bit more confident. There's all like the Amy Cuddy research. You know about Amy Cuddy, Harvard stuff. Yeah, but what was superwoman pose?

Right?

The power poses.

Power poses, Right.

I remember that standing on the desk and the hands at the hips. It actually, it does work. For sure.

It does work. So you can. So you can use resistance bands. My favorite thing to use resistance bands for by far is mobilization. And so mobilization is something where we're just generally compressed in our bodies. So throw the door anchor up into the door, put a band in there and just decompress all of your joints. Put in your elbow, put in your wrist, step away from it. Decompress the whole, that whole chain from the hand up into the bicep up to the pecs. It's very good. Do it in your ankles. So many people have limited dorsiflexion their ankles. Throw the band down low, put the band around your ankle, step away. Put yourself into like a little lunge runner stretch. And just start to go through a little bit of range of motion with the ankle while your traction and opening up some space with the band. It's so brilliant and easy and effective. It's just like, it's very important that people do things like that.

You know what's wild too is I never realized how many of the most jacked guys I know all are super into stretching. There's like just a jacked man stretch club. My husband's a part of it too. But like every night, just stretching like a motherfucker.

That guy that's. Yeah, that's a person who is just healthy.

They're normal.

The rest of them, weird. 70% of people are over 70%, 75% overweight. 40% of people are obese.

How sad is that?

It's more Ira. It's. You're so weird to be like, have any modicum of health in your day to day life. It's so strange. Like it's crazy.

And yet we are. We have more gyms than ever, you.

Know, it's not the things. It's not the things.

Yeah. I remember we were living in D.C. and there was a. There were these signs all over the city that went up one day and it was like healthiest the health. The fittest city in America. Chris and I looked around because we moved from San Diego. We're like, I'm no scientist. The fuck this is, this place. People do not look fit at all. So I was just like, well, I want to see what's this study look like? Go and look at the study.

And.

And it is number of gyms per capita. That's how they're measuring fitness.

Oh, yeah. So they're like super fit for like January.

Yeah, exactly. Or they just have not very many people in the actual D.C. metro area during the day. I'm sorry, during the night. And then like 2 million people. It has the highest fluctuation of any city in the country. So like 2 million people coming from all the other places to the center of capital and the center of power and in the US and then they leave. So there's a lot of gyms there because some people might go around, they fuck around during the day there, but it's not actually like the population of D.C. itself uses the gyms with consistency. And so, yeah, you know, I think studies are always something to look carefully at. I want to end with one random question I'm super curious about from people.

You're asking me about butthole sunning, aren't you?

Oh, fuck, I forgot about that. I forgot about that also. Yes, yes, I am perineum summon. Which is an Austonian thing. Yeah, you told me you do that. No. Do you want to talk about it?

I would like to. I'm open to it. I've done it.

Yeah.

I don't see a lot of data that would suggest that it has like a significant effect.

You know, the first time I saw that.

The balls do. Sure.

You should sun your balls. Thanks for filling that in. I don't need that on the Internet.

You know, the lighting cells which produce something like the most testosterone. 90 some percent of testosterone in your body are in the testicles and sun. The infrared rays, they penetrate quite deeply. I forget how many centimeters, but it's quite deep. That's why you get like an infrared light. It's a common thing. People put infrared light on their nuts and, you know, whatever, anywhere it's good for. It's good for collagen synthesis and such. A few people.

Oh, I've seen you do this on your Instagram. Not actually seeing.

Oh, yeah, you're right.

Yeah. Thank you.

Sometimes I'll post clips of me naked, but you don't.

It's covered.

I put like a smiley face.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's. I think that's a really healthy thing to do.

Interesting. Helps with fertility.

There's some loose research around it that was done with rats specifically. That suggests that it did increase testosterone levels with the rats in like a, you know, statistically significant way. But I don't know of any research with humans. But again, a lot of things to me, I like, trust my intuition.

Yeah.

Like, there's so many fads of things. Like, I don't care that much what people are saying when something feels good. And so keto is popular. Carnivore is popular. Vegan is popular. Pescatarian is popular. Mediterranean is popular. Ketones, you know, like all the different things, it changes all the time. And so we're waiting for daddy or mommy to tell us what to do with our health or, like, telling us how to be. And I lean towards intuitively. Like, I say the word intuitive, which makes me, you know, maybe to some people I like it. Maybe to some people it's like, okay, stop listening to that person because I don't care about your intuition. Which I respect that as well because it's like n of one thing. But I would. I would invite people to disregard my intuition and tap into theirs.

I like that. Yeah, I want to end with. Because I'm building out my reading list. What's the book you have gone back and reread again and again, the most often like the one that kind of becomes a Bible for you.

Hmm, interesting one that I've been reading. Well, I think the one that's like, that I quite love a lot would be Man's Search for Meaning. Viktor Frankl. That's a really good one. I'm presently reading one that I've enjoyed quite a bit. I'm spacing the author's name right now. It's called Awareness. And it's the author's like, mega, super famous. He's like one of the spiritual writer guys. But that one's. That's one that I've been enjoying quite a bit. I read a lot of, like, random esoteric stuff from, like, people that you won't know. Like Moshe Feldenkrais as a person. I enjoy his writing. I read stuff from. From other.

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So this would be fine for specifically people that are like very nerdy about body and somatics and movement, all that stuff. He was like one of the main pioneers on somatics and somatic therapy and the way that movement affects the way that we feel and the subtleties of movement. And so that is something that I'll go back to with some level of regularity and I'll just pick it up every now and again just to gather little nuggets in there. But I wouldn't recommend that to people unless they wanted to be like really like go really deep, like nerdy in that way. I'll read stuff from Ida Rolfe. Again, this is. I wouldn't recommend this to people, honestly. But these are the things, like if things that I'll actually go back to regularly. Those are kind of the things I'll go back to the most.

I love that. Erin Alexander Align podcasts everywhere. The Align method. Where do you like people to search for you the Most? Is it YouTube these days or Instagram?

I mean YouTube's of greater value. We've been putting more energy into YouTube in the last reason. So that's probably, you know what, what I.

That's where my husband found you first and started using a bunch of your stretching way back like years ago, back when you were living in Venice, I think.

Oh, I love that. Yeah. And then I mean if there's one place where. So we're. I don't know when you're going to release this, but we're are. We built a program specifically around breathing. So one of the big things that I find to be the most obnoxious in the realms of like all the different breathing programs and practices and all that stuff or I ever go to a yoga class or ever go to breathwork place or whatever people are breathing, they're going through the different techniques but they're not actually aware. They haven't been educated on the mechanics of how to breathe. And so this is just like this gaping thing that I've seen for like anytime I go to yoga place I'm like, you guys, your guys posture is in such a way that you're actually exacerbating the very state that you're coming in here to sort out, you know, so anytime you see somebody like meditating, for example, and they're like that, I'm like, what are you doing? You're not doing it. And so it's the same thing with breathing and you know, all of that. So we created a align method breathing program that will be coming out in January. I don't know when this, when this goes out. I love that. Yeah.

And that'll be@alignpodcast.com so that'll be.

So the alignpodcast.com breathe will take you to the free trial of that. Cool. So there's a week trial with that. And then if people want to do. We created a breathing quiz that is fun. So it takes people through what's called a bolt score and then also an exhalation test and then a few qualitative questions to rate where a person is at in their breathing scale. And what's really interesting with breath is it is literally the bridge between your mind and your body. It's at the lowest portion of the brainstorm Medulla oblongata. It's why alligators are ornery.

Great reference. Only millennials are going to get that one.

It's the bridge, like anatomical bridge and figurative between the mind and the body. Everybody's been saying it for everybody for everywhere or for all time and everywhere and everybody. And so it's very interesting that you can start to augment and modulate and change the way that you feel, the way that you're perceived, the way that you connect with other people, where you connect yourself, all that stuff just through understanding the mechanics of breathing. So people take that quiz if they want as well. That's onlinepodcast.com quiz if they want to do the breathing archetype quiz if they just want to.

And then is it going to say like bad breath, bad breath, good breath?

Pretty much. Pretty much.

Is there like a title for like the bestest to the worstest breath Alchemist? I cannot wait.

And then the crappiest one is Stressed Survivor, which is so common. Most people are stressed survivor.

Yeah, that makes sense. Well, you know what's crazy? You should actually sell this to corporations because I was reading an OSHA survey the other day, as one does, and it was saying that 83% of OSHA covered workers during their survey responded as stressed. And that stress led to more than an. What was it? Was it a. I can't remember what the total dollar amount. It was either 300 million or $800 million in stress related errors caused to businesses, of course. And so even from a monetary perspective. If you have work that can lead to some sort of. It didn't even have to be physical. It could be because you're really stressed. You're not able to properly finalize a number in a spreadsheet. And that could be a reason why you miss a huge forced error in something. And so stress has real monetary impact.

You think of your consciousness like a laser beam. And if you have a bunch of static stuff happening in the form of inflammation in the form of. You're thinking about this thing or that thing and the form of, you know, commiserating over something or projecting into the future or stuck in the past, like any of that stuff or form of pain in your back or, you know, and your breathing is perpetuating that same kind of, like, panic state, then your laser beam is like. It's like fractal all over the place. You have no direction. If you can start to, like, quell the literal and figurative inflammation of your consciousness and your body, it's. It's, you know, it's the same thing. They're integrated. You can start to quell that. Suddenly that laser beam starts to solidify and you can get shit done.

Aaron Alexander. This was so good. Thank you.

Good times. Thank you. I appreciate it. It.