What Nobody is Telling Women About Marriage, Health, and Success | Mikhaila Peterson

People look at you and they're like, she's beautiful, she's successful, she's smart, but she's still willing to say that she comes with a lot of baggage.

I was lonely for sure. Very lonely.

I wish that I had known that for my first marriage.

I prioritize it as the relationship comes first and then kids come second when businesses come third.

This is like way TMI but without sex.

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So if you want to hear us talk about why midday sex is a whole different ball game when you're working and how to be the type of person you want to eventually date, then I think you're going to like this episode. All right, let's get into the contrarian idea. The contrarian idea of the week is an idea each week where we bring something totally different into the mix. And this week, I have this story about Warren Buffett. So in 2001, he gave a university talk at Georgia, and my friend George Mack wrote about it. And the question that Warren asked the students I think really changed how I think about life in a lot of ways. So Buffett asked, if you could invest in a friend and get 10% of their income for life, who would you pick? Now, once the students answered the question, he then asked this. Why would you invest in that person? What character traits do they have? And now that you have a character list of traits to adopt, Warren Buffett asked, if you could short a friend's earnings, like you could say, not going to make it, who would you pick and why? And now you have a list of character traits to avoid. So I thought this was so good, because this thought experiment is genius. Not just for friends, but for partners, for. For lovers, for people in your relationship. Humans are pretty bad at self awareness, myself included. But we are great at spotting things in other people, aren't we? So if your friend is in the wrong relationship, you realize in 10 minutes what may take them 10 years to get. The premise is that it's easier to recognize other people's mistakes than your own. That was Daniel Kahneman. What's brilliant, though, is if you think about it this way, how can you apply this same idea to love, relationships, work, marriage, and sex? So you see what. What you want in others, then mimic what they do daily, and you'll get there. This episode is going to help you do that. Let's go. Now, the second thing I want to talk about today Is CEO story time. This is a crazy concept called treadmill friends versus sofa friends. And it's also from George. Treadmill friends are people where after you hang out with them, you have so much energy you want to run on a treadmill to calm down. You're just like raring to go. They fire you up. Then sofa friends are, after hanging out with them, you're so drained that you want to lie down on a sofa to recover. Now why? Because I think that energy transfers, it's called energy transference. And it's a concept that's difficult to describe in words, but everyone has felt it, haven't you? Like you felt like you've had a double shot of espresso after hanging out or talking with somebody. You know, Steve Jobs was famous for energy transference so strong that they called it his reality distortion field. You believed you could achieve incredible things around him. And these stories basically talk about a person where for Steve's, he made you feel like the only person in the room. You know, he was the first person to believe in me. So if you've always struggled to understand that saying, I think was Maya Angelou, that people don't remember what you say. They remember the way that you made them feel. That's energy transference. And now it probably makes sense to you. And now the question to you is, what do you do in your relationships and the humans you bring in? I think there's a little nuance here, which is, yeah, it's a little woo woo. It's probably a mixture of charisma, tonality, the tone of your voice, belief, facial expressions, like how smart you are. Maybe our subconscious brain understands this thing. And I'm not sure you can teach energy transference, but you can teach the awareness of it. So if you hang around treadmill friends, it becomes mimetic. You want more. And the same is true for sofa friends. So watch out. I think this goes back to that old adage of you are the average of the five people you spend the most time with. That was Jim Rowe. So I want you today to steal my treadmill friends. To steal the people who move fast, make you want to get up off the couch, and make you want to do something with your life. You know, when I was growing up, I didn't have rich friends. Now I do. You can steal them. And by rich, I mean rich in all aspects of life. You know, if you eat a lot of junk food, you know, we know you're probably going to get fat. If you listen to a lot of trash, maybe you're going to get a little dumber. And I realize we don't have good role models to look up to for women. You know, what are our options? The Kardashians? Sex podcasters, Probably. No winning there. So stealing some of the smartest, richest, happiest, hottest women I know, I wanted to ask them, you know, if you're healthy, like, how do you stay there with all this other stress in life? You know, if you have a great marriage, why? How'd you find that guy? You know, I think it's become un PC to say, but it's so important and fulfilling to find a human to do life with. Like, you will be happier if you find that. You know, I wanted to ask them, do you have, like, faith or a moral compass to guide you? You? And I really wanted to ask them, you know, can you be feminine and beautiful and also really successful? For those of you that don't know, Michaela Peterson, she's a fascinating human. And let me tell you why really quickly. It's not just that she is the daughter of Jordan Peterson, arguably one of the most famous men on the Internet, psychologist who's kind of helped push back against woke culture, overreach by the government, and also sort of inspired a nation of young men how to be how to be men and how to be citizens. But I think that the most interesting thing about her is actually what she's persevered through. So if you don't know her story in 30 seconds, it's wild. Imagine every single health condition that one could have, basically from rheumatoid arthritis at a super young age, to having hip and ankle replacements, to being on OxyContin for the pain, to getting addicted to it, to wanting to end her life from the pain all before the age of 20, and then having massive toxic mold issues, more chronic pain and inability to get pregnant, and then realizing that the modern medical establishment was not going to help her, it was likely going to kill her. And thus she took her life into her own hands and now has a very insane diet for what a lot of people would, you know, not be able to handle, which is only meat, red meat. But what I really like about it is she pushes back on conventional norms. So today we're not going to talk so much about her medical journey. That's not my area of expertise. I just want you to know what she's been through so that when she talks about the way that she shaped her life, you can see her context. If there's somebody who has a reason and Many excuses for why they're not successful. It'd probably be her for why they aren't in a happy relationship, for why they're not married, for why they don't have kids, for why they don't have money. She has all those excuses. And yet, despite all of that, she's happily married. She has two beautiful kids. She has an incredible family. I met her husband. He's awesome. And their business is blossoming now. Nobody is without issues and problems, and I'm sure she certainly has those too. But today I wanted to talk to her about what is it like to be in a modern relationship as a woman who works, and how do we crush it at that? She also went through a divorce like I did. So how do you find love again after that as a single mom and a kid who, you know, had a lot of health issues, or as she said, she brought a lot of baggage. And then how do you keep a marriage alive and thriving while working a ton and having a lot of stressors in your life? And I'm sort of of this belief lately that, you know, it's just as tough for women as it is for men out there right now in two different ways. And I was talking to Arthur Brooks the other day, and he was saying that for most of modern history, women in every sing category have been happier than men. Divorced women, single women, widowed women, all happier than men, and yet now today, men are just as happy as women. Did men get happier? No, women have just gotten a lot less happy. And I think that we have to dissect that a little bit. You know, first of all, happy wife, happy life. 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Mikayla Pearson, I'm so stoked to talk to you. I want to talk about something that I don't see you talk about all the time, which is this is a. This is going to be an episode for Chicks today. I want to talk about being in a relationship. I want to talk about being in relationships while working a ton.

Yeah.

And in this, like, girl boss era, where that's not so normal. And so the first question I kind of had for you is, you know, you're married now for a couple of years, but you were divorced previously. And I'm guessing looking around for a human was that hard. You were successful, you. You were doing well monetarily. And then you had to find a human who could keep up with that. What was that like?

That was. It was really hard. So a couple of things made it complicated. One, yeah, I work all the time and I'm swamped. And the friend group that I had in Toronto was kind of an older friend group. So there wasn't anybody in there that was interested in what I was doing. Not that I needed somebody particularly interested in what I was doing, but there were certain things I was looking for. So I was like, they need to be smart. Well, let me start from the beginning. I'd gotten to the point after the divorce with a kid that I was like, Ray Ban.

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Call of Duty Black Ops 7 available now. Rated M for mature. Being in a bad relationship is really bad. Being alone is way better than that. So it was like, I'm okay. I'm actually going to be fine if I'm by myself. I'm fine now. I was lonely for sure. Like, very lonely. But I was like, this is fine. I can do this. So I was at that point, and then I tried to think about what I wanted, which I wasn't just going to get into a bad relationship. I was like, okay, this needs to hit on a lot of levels. They need to be okay that I want to work all the time. They need to be okay that I'm not going to be stay at home, mom, what else was it? They need to have a sense of humor. They need to be emotionally stable because there's so many, like, crazy ups and downs in my life and I have so much baggage. And I had more baggage two years ago, but, like, so much baggage. So it was like, you need to be emotionally stable when things go badly. You have to, like, be able to Laugh it off. And then my ideal partner for me was somebody I could work with because I work all the time. So I was like, if I'm going to be working all the time, and that's all the time, as in like the morning around 8 until like 11, like, all the time. If I'm working with other people, then I'm just not around. So ideally I can work with somebody and they can help me grow the things that I want to grow or that we want to grow together. That was like my. What I was looking for. And then they also had to be okay with the fact that I have a kid. So I was like, I'm screwed and I'm fine with being alone. Like, that's what I decided. And I think I also got that from growing up in a. Now I know, a fairly conservative family. I don't think we were that conservative. We weren't really conservative, but there are some areas where my dad's very conservative. So I had this view that if you had a kid and you were divorced, you were screwed. And that's really common in the more like Redfield areas or conservative areas. It's just like, that's it for you. And so I had that view. And it was surprising to me that I actually found somebody that was amazing. It was hard. I'd given up. And then we met through. We met through my look.

I'm going to double down on something that's very specific.

You like. Well, I was like, I'm not doing this wrong again.

Did it take you a while to get your. Your person box that specifically? Like, how did you figure out exactly what that was? Was there a process if you talk to other people about it?

No. I don't know how I came to that. I think I just looked at what my life looked at. And then I'd been through a divorce, so I knew what didn't work and what I didn't want. So I think a lot of it was knowing what I didn't want is. You know, sometimes you go out with someone, you're like, oh, they. They check off a bunch of my list, but they're missing this one thing. But they check off so many boxes that cares about this one thing. And then the longer it is, you're like, oh, that was really important. My dad had also told me from a young age, like, super young, write a list of. So this was definitely from him. Write a list of what you want in a man and look for that. I think she probably told me that when I was 14, like young. So that was probably in the back of my mind. But I think most of it was an aversion to being in a bad relationship and just being like, I, I totally fine by myself. Like, I'm being a single mom, I am being a successful in business, I have money. I don't have to worry about these things anymore. I'm not going to have somebody come in and wreck any of that. It needs to be a positive, and then there needs to be a bunch of boxes filled out in order for it to be positive. I'm shocked it worked out. I don't even know how people are like, what do I do? And I'm like, you'll be fine. And then part of me is like, will you, though? I think it was pretty unlikely that I was going to be fine. I don't know, though.

Well, I do think. I know she's super reasonable.

No, we'll see.

I always tell people when they ask me for relationship advice, I go, I don't know. This is what I think now. Check back any details. We'll see if I was right. But you know, what I think is, is unique, is one you learn by negation.

Right.

So you're basically like, well, I don't know what I want, but I know what I don't want.

Lord.

By negation.

Yeah.

And then writing a list down of all the specifics, which is really not that normal of advice to get as a young woman. It's like, I wish that I had known that from my first, you know, marriage too, that I got divorced. I wish I had written down a list of what was important. What was there a portion of that list that was ethics and values.

Oh, my gosh. Honesty. Honesty. But that's tricky. That's tricky. Like, you don't know most people who lie to you. You don't know that they're lying to you. That's the problem with like psychopaths or sociopaths or something is they don't even know they're lying sometimes. So honesty was huge, like, on my list for sure. I didn't even write that down because it's like you can't even communicate with somebody who lies to you at all. So. Yeah. And usually if people lie about one thing, then they lie about multiple things. It's true. And it's Kaddish ker means everything. Yeah. So that, yeah, 100%, that's the most important thing. If you're with somebody and they're telling you the truth and they're telling you what they think and they can organize their mind in a way where they know what reality looks like in a truthful way. Then I think a lot of other things are fixable.

That's a really good point. Because a lot of times we mind ourselves. Right. And I think I liked myself in my first marriage with, like, no, he'll be okay with me working all the time, though. I mean, he'll eventually get that I'm like this. And so he didn't get it, and he didn't want that to, you know, stay that way. And so when you think about, you know, being in partnership with another person while you do all of these things, how important is that to you now? Like, is that your top priority is your relationship with your husband? Does he come first? Do the kids come first? Caillou prioritize.

I prioritize it as a relationship comes first. And then kids come second, home businesses come third.

Is that hard to do?

I think at the beginning, yeah, for sure. For sure. Things were way out of sorts at the beginning, but I was also having a difficult time trusting. You know, when you first meet someone, you're not just gonna be like, okay, you go first. Right. Like, that's just naive.

Yeah.

But I don't know if you can do. And maybe you can. I don't know if I can do a successful relationship long term without putting that person first.

Yeah.

And then what I found, and I'm lucky enough with, like, my relationship with Jordan is, is I structure it that way, everything works better. Anyway, so initially when I was saying, okay, business comes first, or. Or kids come first, it wasn't working as well. The other thing that was interesting that changed throughout my relationship is at the beginning, I was in control of everything, business wise. And that was because I tried to give other people pieces of it, and they screwed it up so badly, it's beyond comprehension. Like, lawyers involved, just like, wow, how did you. Who wasn't very helpful, how did you manage to create this much of a mess? And so I was used to that. Like, way too used to that. So it took a while and it needed time to understand, like, can I give these things that I'm building away and will they run properly? And so I think just because it's been like three years, that's gone a lot smoother. And I've seen him build a whole bunch of things with Peterson Academy and brands and things that were like, oh, he actually better than me at doing different aspects of it, but definitely better at managing people. I usually just get annoyed if people aren't Doing things the way I would do them. Yeah.

Like, same girl.

Yeah. So I was like, okay, you are definitely. I'm not the manager type, like, so I think I needed time. But yeah, that's the order.

When did you first realize that you wanted to put him first? Like, was there a moment where you're like, oh, this is my guy?

I think I probably wanted that to be the case right off the bat and didn't actually do it until more recently. So that probably would have been like partially lying to myself because I knew that that's what I wanted. But I. There was a part of me that was like, didn't want to relinquish control of some things in the business probably and put him first. I don't know if that makes sense. So it's probably more. It probably took two and a half years really into a relationship. I don't think that's that long. And I do think it's high to just do that right at the beginning anyway. But that's something I wanted before I actually had it.

You had something interesting, which is you basically said in the beginning, I come with a lot of baggage. I come with all these issues of problems and I don't think that's very normal for people to self identify baggage or follow ups.

Maybe, maybe if they're not as obvious.

As mine, we'll talk to the like. Have you always been that self? Aware? Do you? Because you obviously come with incredible things too. I think a lot of times women's problem. Our problem in mine too is, you know, it's like, we want a list of this for a man. There's like 472 things and it's like, but I'm showing up with these five.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah, yeah.

And so I think people might learn a lot from somebody who's willing to say people look at you and they're like, she's beautiful, she's successful, you know, she's smart. But she's still willing to say that she comes with a lot of baggage. Like, talk to me about that.

Like I said, I think if the bag is just this obvious, I also probably had a bit of a warped perspective because it did take me till I was older, probably 20, probably almost at the point when I met Jordan where I was like, actually, like, I'm going to be okay. Like, I have money, I have my health, I have like countless opportunities. I'm actually in a pretty good place for like a meet, which I probably didn't consider that until I was probably 25. Yeah, but Vegas, I don't know. I'm on an all meat diet for severe autoimmune issues and I'm like, I'm totally sane, but if you only knew me and like, in regards to my diet, you would think I'm nuts. You'd be like, did that meat touch anything? Okay, it did. I'm not eating it. So if you go out to a restaurant and that's the date and you're like, oh, you put oil on my steak. I'm not eating that steak. I'm not like unapologetic about it now. It's just like, just stick with me. It's not that hard to cook, but like, that's a lot. Or like people get attached to their favorite restaurants and like, okay, I'll go there. I don't have to eat anything. You eat. I don't even care. Which is true. But like, so the diet component was a big one. It's like people get super awkward in it out if you change your diet at all. And I'm like, only eating meat, so it's pretty weird. So that was a big one. And then there was kid, and then there was the divorce situation. And then I worked very closely with my family and have like a very close relationship with my mom and my dad and running their companies. And my family is kind of particular, super interesting. I think they're super interesting. Conversations are amazing, but like, we're weird. I wasn't going to change for anybody, although I did change a little bit for Jordan in like, positive ways. But when I met him I was like, I'm not changing anything, like, and because I don't want to like tamping down parts of myself and then later be like, get resentful or something like that. So it was just, I think the health thing was a lot of baggage. The work thing was a lot of baggage. The kid, the prior relationship, there was like a lot that was obvious. I thought, what do you think about.

You know, a lot of women these days obviously having less sex than they've ever had, being in fewer relationships long term than ever, not getting married, not having kids until later, you know, real change statistics over the last 20 or 30 years. If there are enough women listening who want to be successful in their careers but also want to find somebody, what sort of advice, if any, do you give them?

Do you think that there are things.

You can actually do to find a great mate?

I think the list is helpful. I think if people had told me to listen to my intuition, that would have been really Beneficial, like if you're with someone, you're attracted to them, they're funny. Especially as a young one, say you're like 22, 23, you're attracted to them, they're funny, they're like charming. And your guy's kind of like nervous. That's not a good idea. Like you should be going for people who make you feel safe. And I think people can get wrapped up in psychopaths in particular when they're young because they get this excitement feeling and it's not. Is almost the same as being enthusiastic about something, but you should have be around that person. They should make you feel safe. They shouldn't make you feel a little bit anxious, even if they're charming. So I like, that's advice I couldn't use, probably. And then make a list. And then also try not to stress out about finding somebody too quickly because I know when you're like 18, I can remember myself 18 to 23, I'm like, this is the time, the time is now. But turns out there's a bunch of time after that as well. And I don't think all these like lies at the red pill, whatever that section that you're trying to spewing out about, like you need to be a certain age to find someone. I don't believe that. So I just, just ignore that. Working on yourself is the best thing you can do though. Like make yourself more knowledgeable, more able to grow something, make more money, make yourself as attractive as you can. Like focus on your health. Health is huge. Diet. So just. And I think it's the same advice coming out of men, right? Is just work on yourself until you're someone you want to date.

That line is so important and so underutilized, it's almost like you're not allowed to say it anymore, which is like, if you want to find a. What did they say? Do you want to find a high value man? Be a high value.

Yeah.

And I think it's absolutely true. And it's that like, willingness to look intensely in the mirror.

Yeah.

Am I the person that I want to date?

And I think a lot of people.

Would say yes, but be specific. I mean, I have a girlfriend right now that I'm really pushing because she's amazing in so many ways to find her person. But it's like, well, you're having health issues pretty aggressively. You're having financial issues pretty aggressively. You know, you're kind of like nomading all around. You don't have roots and community. You're a Little emotionally unstable. If you took all four of those things and flipped them on a dude, would you date that person?

Yeah.

And the answer is no. And so like being really aggressive in the mirror seems super important and also.

Kind of rare dealing with your health too. Like I think most people have some sort of health problem.

Yeah.

And from my experience, you can get that under control with like lifestyle changes. Do that. Find Marathi and then worry about finding somebody. If you're healthy, then generally speaking you're good looking and generally speaking you're smarter and that'll kind of take care of the rest of it.

Such a good point. Also, like, not something that people want to talk about. I mean, it is true.

I might eat.

If you had a choice between going and doing three or four more dates that week, like swiping left or right before the gym three or four more times, you probably should.

Yeah.

I was talking to, to Arthur the other day and he told me the statistic, which I thought was fascinating that in actuality dating apps are sort of created so that you can find people who you think you will like.

Right.

So you find the people that you think you like. Who do you think you're going to like? People that are like you.

Right.

So you kind of want the same values, you want the same background. We sort of mirror ourselves. The problem is the status seemed to point to we want compatibility, not complete methry. And so I actually thought that was interesting. Like, remember when we grew up in like opposites attract or whatever? And that was sort of. At least I remember thinking that was a bad thing.

Are you and Gavin like kind of.

Different enough where you come together as opposed to being sort of really similar?

We're incredibly similar, actually.

Interesting.

We're incredibly similar. He's probably like a more exaggerated personality that I have. So not exactly the same, but we, we are pretty similar. Like he's extremely extroverted. I'm assuming that extroverted, he's way more disagreeable than me. So I, I'm also fairly disagreeable for a female. So that lines up. Neither of us are neurotic.

What is disagreeable pain in this context?

Okay, so if you split the personality scale into openness, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness and neuroticism, it's about the big five. That's a, it's a really accurate way of like judging personality and agreeableness. It's not just a positive aspect. So highly agreeable people are more likely to follow stupid rules. For example, you know, like, don't play in this field. Why? Right. I agreeable person wouldn't be like, why? So if you score really high in agreeableness, those are the people that will go along with groupthink as well. If you go to very, very disagreeable people, depending on other personality aspects, then they can end up in jail and things like. So you can be extremely disagreeable, or someone will argue with you over nothing. Like, what are you doing? So you don't want to necessarily be. You can be on extremes if other personality traits, like, kind of even you out. But generally speaking, I mean, I'm more of a fan of just rural people because they're also more likely to tell you the truth if it'll hurt your feelings. So agreeable people will, like, tell you the truth in a way that's kind of a lie in order to not hurt your feelings. Like, I like your hat, and they don't like your hat. Just saying they wouldn't like your how your feelings. So that's an agreeable person thing to do. Disagreeable people will be like, that hat, and I like you. But, like, that has to.

I kind of. That's a reason why women get, like, the pink or the blue or the bright hair is because a lot of people look at it and say, like, I like it. But what they're actually doing is just like, they're looking at it, and they feel like they need to make a comment about it. I think I actually like it.

I got lime green nails. Yeah, that's a bad idea. But I had lime green nails when I first met Jordan. Jordan goes, I like your nails. And my dad had said the same thing. So my dad goes, I like your nails.

I was like, no, you don't.

You hate. I hate these nails. No one likes these nails. I was, like, annoyed as soon as I had them die. He's like, yeah, I think they just surprised me. I was like, okay, there's the truth. And then George said the same thing, even though he's very disagreeable. I like your nails. No, you don't. So, yeah, it's that.

I think it's that, like, anybody listening.

If you have bright hair, like, it's.

Never really looked off anybody. The only way it looks good is if you have a lot of makeup on. And then.

Because the live work.

Kelly. Sure, it works. It's just at the pink hair. So we've got, you know, we've got stucco happening here. She's hot, but there's, like, a lot happening on her face. So, you know, here for relationship advice and an awesome hair color apparently. Um, let me ask you about like did you find it hard when you were looking for. There's this, there's this saying now that like men don't want women who work right. Men don't want girl bosses, they want somebody to stay home. I see it all the time on my comments when I write about.

Yeah, yeah. Anything bad wife thing.

100%. Did you find. I never found that when I was dating. Did you find that when you were dating? Is that just an air ethic or do you think that's pervasive?

I don't know. It's possible that the only people I was interested in just weren't interested in that.

It's self selection.

I have no idea. Honestly, there could be an entire area of society that we're missing. I think I've seen a lot of the content that the red pill people are putting out that are looking for women like that and those are very specific types of men that I wouldn't be interested in anyway. So I don't know. I didn't find that personally. No. I think that men in general would like to have interesting conversations with their significant other and not just be like do my laundry woman.

Exactly. Especially I think a lot of successful men are like that is a ten dollar an hour chore. And if I actually marry 2410 an hour chores, that would be poor math.

Yeah. And so yeah, men want to be taken care of.

I do think that's true.

Yeah.

They want to feel supported and loved and I think they have a higher percentage of them that have access service as their love language than women.

Oh, interesting. But you know, I can see that.

Yeah. I don't think they need you to scrub the dishes every day. It's like your main, you know, contribution to the relationship. I don't think that's necessary.

No. I think especially if you can figure out the value hierarchy saying no, I value you. And I do believe that you have to value that relationship at the top.

Yeah.

I think if you can get that value right than the traditional like housekeeping, house cleaning. Unless that's what you want to do and I know people who want to do it, that's fine. And there are areas that I want to do too. Is it like grounds me. But I think if you can figure out how to outsource that and makes more monetary sense and your man still wants you to do it, then there's something wrong.

Plus it's just huge happiness reliever to not have to quarrel over the little things. I think that's where people should spend their very first dollars. Like skip the Gucci, skip. Skip the Fendi, skip any sort of expensive things and outsource the menial tasks. That probably decreased the amount of fighting Chris and I did by, you know, being quantitative. It's something that's not that quantitative. Like 10 to 15 to even 20%. It was just like, you're tired at.

The end of the day.

We got all this stuff going on and then somebody's got to do X.

Interesting. I had that. That was one of the things I think I already figured out by the time I met Jordan. So I was like, I'm not doing laundry. Although I've switched that now. I kind of do. Like, I feel like it's the only thing I do that's like, reminds me to stay humble or something. Like, no, I'm doing my laundry.

Yeah.

And I'm just gonna keep the laundry that I have help with. Like, I've got so much help with other things that it was like, I need something to, like, do. Yeah. Keep it watering.

Therapist told me something that I really liked, which was strengths based relationship. So she was basically like, you know, you guys should figure out the things you're both uniquely good at and then lean into those.

Yes.

Stop attempting to change the other person.

Yeah.

Become good at the other thing. So, like, I don't cook.

Yeah. I'm a shitty.

He's also particular about the food that he orders. And so I could either drive myself and him crazy by trying to keep up to his level or just go, that's your lane. My lane is like, I keep everything clean. I mean, or scented. I like shit clean.

Yeah.

Hit my level of clean different than his. Do you guys have something like that too, where you're like, here's my strengths. Here's your strengths. And we don't try to change each other.

I think we're both clean. He's actually cleaner than me and I'm. I thought I was. I thought I was clean in a problematic way. And then I met him and I was like, you have ocd. Like, that is not his own.

Like, what does it do?

Well, not anymore. Now he's so busy that, like, the. He's just. He's just clean. I'm probably cleaner in the. Like, I don't want anything to be dirty. And he's cleaner in that. I want things to be organized.

Right.

So it's slightly different level. Yeah.

Yeah.

Labels all up in water in the fridge. Label stays in the same direction.

That is. So if you want to mess with.

Dirt, we just kind of tweak it. How about what I did for a while? It's like, this is ocd. I'm pretty sure it is. I'm not sure if it is anymore. But at the beginning I was like, I think this is a problem. Yeah. Whereas I'm more focused on like, is it dirty? Yeah, I don't want that.

Yeah.

So. But no, I think we're. Our strengths, like, line up pretty well. There's just been different areas in business where I'm like, okay, you manage people better. Like, you get a feedback and I get annoyed and do it myself. I think this isn't great.

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Now, you've been around. Speaking of like the red pill, though, for me, you've met, you've met up with Andrew Tate, right? How was that? And what do you think about, you know, his sort of red pill movement.

Versus maybe how you see the world? I don't even know what his movement is anymore. It's totally true. Like, I was thinking more raw somebody or other. I don't know, his red pill view and then like sitting fresh kind of. Red pill?

No.

Yeah, yeah, Agitator. I feel like he kind of moves to what the crowd is feeling. So I don't even know what he's pushing right now. Is he still pushing, like the underrated Women are terrible.

Well, I think, you know, he's interesting because I would say there's like, there's like 20 or 30% of this stuff. And I'm like, yeah, that's right. Yeah, I actually, I agree with that and I think it's right. And then there's like another 20 or 30% that I'm like, jesus Christ, this is the most clickbaity nonsense I've ever heard in my life. And I totally disagree. And then the rest, I'm like sort of agnostic towards. But I have to imagine that he was probably puristatic when you met with him. If he can hold this type of movement.

I'm not, I guess that surprised. So we met in 2019.

Wow.

Obviously I didn't think he was going to blow up to be the biggest person on the Internet.

He wasn't then?

No. I got no.

Interesting.

So that was spending eight hours on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah.

Whoa.

Yeah. Interesting.

Yeah. I'm not that surprised. I guess a little bit surprised. He was very set on. He's like an interesting character. I. I told him I met him and he reminded me of a shark. Yeah. Yeah. And I told him that. And it wasn't like that. He didn't take that as like a negative thing necessarily. And I don't even know if I mentioned as a negative thing. I'm just like, oh, you're a baby. You're pretty shark. Like, this is weird. And he just. He works really, really, really hard.

I believe that.

So I'm not that surprised that he blew up the way it. A little bit. It's a little bit weird meeting somebody when like, they don't have. He'd been a kickboxer. I didn't really know. I. I knew that. I knew that we knew kickboxer. He had like, I think it was 80,000 on Instagram. And I was like. And he said he had some way of building online content. And I was running my dad's channels and he was like in the middle of potentially losing his job. And I was like, well, maybe this person who says he has millions of dollars can teach me to do that. And so met up with him and he had told me what his plan was and then we didn't end up going forward with that. So it is a bit weird that a couple years later he's like, I've already wear on the Internet.

Yeah. That is wild for people up like that. Interesting. Yeah. I kind of have the same. Same take. So when it comes to separation of like, business things now, one of the things that I found when I was first starting out with my husband about. My husband works with me too. And I think, like, at least for us, the first year was really hard. Like, it was hard for me to. To relinquish.

Yeah. Yeah.

And he is a very strong alpha dude. And so he was like, get out of my way.

Yeah.

And I was like, my fucking business.

Yeah, tell me what to do.

And it was harder, you know, I think this actually harder that year that our first year of marriage, which was also hard, to be fair. Did you find that same thing? And like now to me it's the. It's. It's my favorite part about our life together is that we worked together that first year. I was almost gonna. I was gonna fire.

Really?

Yeah.

Fire me.

Fair.

But like, is that the same?

Yes. Yeah, yeah, exactly the same.

So maybe this is common.

Yeah. Well, especially if you grow something and then it's yours and then. But you can't work with like a partner and then have something not be theirs. That doesn't work either. I think it's helped that we're building other things together now. So it wasn't just the original company that I had to like give some. I think I just needed time though to see how common to us because it's not like I was looking for people to give off work to and even to run them. Like, it's not like I wanted to continue running even my dad's brand. If somebody else can come in and do what I was doing, then they could have it. It wasn't like me wanting to do it. It was just that everybody who was helping was making it worse was like, well, I don't want that to happen. So I think it just took time to figure out time for me to be able to trust somebody and like see how competent they were in order to give things away.

So if you went back and did it again, but you just set that expectation, you'd be like, listen, it's just going to take me time. There's not much else we could do besides may see like your level of competence and like, I'm sorry in advance, but that's just kind of the way it'll be.

You know, I literally did that.

Oh, wow, that's great.

Yeah. At the beginning I did say like, things are going really well and any of these issues that we're having I think are my issues and I need some time. Yeah, yeah, I had that conversation like a number of times.

Do you. You have a high level of self awareness. The must come from like asking yourself a lot of questions.

You're making a lot of mistakes. Back in his books like that, like that was the wrong way or. And I think getting healthy too. And maybe my dad also like trying to work out problems in my life or help me through problems. So yeah, I guess I'm I'm aware. I like to assume the problem is me before it's somebody else. Even if it's painful because, well, I feel like if you have a problem, a lot of the time, the problem is you.

I probably could do that more. That's it. That's a really good little note. It's also the only thing you're default is yourself.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Then you have all the powers. Yeah.

So you kind of take power back by realizing everything's your fault. And that's almost the answer to everything.

Right.

It's like you want to find a great partner, become a great partner, focus on you, because that's the only thing you can control.

Yeah, yeah.

And same with if you want to be. Have a great marriage. Same exact thing.

What if you.

I mean, your parents have been married forever. My parents too. I always ask them, you know, what the secret is? What are your parents telling you? What is their advice they give you for a happy marriage? Do you guys talk about that?

We talked about it more when I was younger and the biggest one was honesty. Like when they first got together, my dad told my mom in particular, like, you have to tell the truth every day. You have to tell the truth about everything. And that was a big thing. So lots of people don't tell the truth. It's easy. It's. It's hard. Once you start telling the truth, that is kind of hard to stop. But it's always kind of there that, like, there are these situations where it'd be easy to just like lie a little bit. And if you let that permeate into your relationship, we just screw it. You have to be honest. So I think I got taught honesty was extremely important, although I still ended up getting divorced. So it's not like these lessons can protect you from everything out there. But I think the lasting marriage was honesty and dates. You're like, make sure you have date nights. Schedule them in if you need to. And I knew that from a young age, too.

Do you have a certain definition of what is a date night?

Like, a lot of times I find.

I go out on, like I go out to dinner with Chris. But do I catalog it or categorize it properly as a date?

I mean, I get like, I'll put more effort into where I look like you dress up. Yeah.

Yeah.

Although I like dressing up anyway. But I'll. I'll dress up. Or we'll just call it a date. We're not like going to get dinner. We're going on a date.

Yeah.

So I think it's mostly just like. And then no, we'll usually do some work, but sometimes. Or if there's stressful things going on, like, don't talk about that for like, this meal, no phones, stuff like that.

Are you the perpetrator in bringing out the phones more often or c. I'm the problem with the phones for sure.

I think I used to be the problem. And more recently, he's. The problem goes away.

This is like, way tmi, so just tell me to pound sand. But, like, what about sex with, like, kids and businesses and you guys work together? We're together all the time. Like, do you schedule it? Does it just happen naturally? Is that difficult for you guys?

It's pretty natural and pretty often. It's great. Yeah.

Just noon time, middle of the day, like. Sup, Jordan? We all been a biologist.

We work from home users. The perpetrator. Ish.

Oh, that's great. I always find that I increasingly have a hard time switching from work mode.

Oh, my gosh, me too. That's a huge problem. Because I don't think it's the same thing to do that. Yeah, yeah, they don't. It's just like, adrenaline or something. I was like, if I have to solve the work, if I'm in the middle of the negotiation or something, or like, God forbid, I'm dealing with lawyers and something horrible, then, like, I'm in a different section of my brain. And like, sex doesn't even. Doesn't live there at all. It's like I need to calm down. I don't know what that is. But yeah, it's work mode. Whatever work mode is, it's a different mode. It's not floofy mode. There's no fluffy mode and work mode. They're not the same thing.

Not the same. No. My work mode is a desert for sex. Yeah. There is no sex that lives there. And it's something that I've had to talk to Chris about because I'm like. It's like in the middle of the day, I'm like, I'm. I'm operating at a 12 stress level.

React.

The idea of like a quickie. I'd rather down.

Yeah. Yeah.

But I feel like a lot of my friends, you know, if they're not working, they don't hire you.

Right.

And so I don't hear about it enough. I was. Oh, I was the only 100.

No, it's got to be some sort of, like, you know what? Cortisol and oxytocin, where I know that from. From childbirth. Your oxytocin lumps go up and that's what gives you contractions. If your stress was up the same time and cortisol rises, it suppresses oxytocin. So maybe if we're in a high cortisol state, oxytocin is just diminished. I don't know if it works out way Matt. It might. And I have to calm down, too. It's not like I can go from work mode and then it's like, oh, snap out of it. There's no snapping. There's like 15 minutes, 30 minutes of weeping. Like, trying not to think about for a while. And then like, maybe having something to eat. And then maybe I need a nap. And then maybe I need to have a show. Like, their hatred is not. Is not going away. No, no.

It's like, don't just think about it, babe. I'm like, babe, I'm thinking about it.

Yeah, yeah.

Going on here, you know, if you want me to dead fetch the finder that's. You're getting out of this. Yeah. I was joking with him the other day too, because I think women's like. It's so interesting, all the things that are out there about sex and everything that would become like, hyper sexualized in a lot of ways, I think, in today's society. But it almost feels like in a. In a fake way, they talk about all of the sort of. I don't like to use the word nasty, but just like very.

Oh, yeah.

Visceral.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so then I think young women today are like, yeah, I'm in this, you know.

Yeah, that's messed up. Yeah.

I don't think it's good for us, and I don't think it's real. And then it creates this false narrative, I think, to men.

Oh, for sure. I mean, people so, like, say like podcasters or something, they get bits who are like, kind of all over sexual stuff and then act like it's fun. Right. It's not fun.

It's not fun.

Yeah. No one thinks it's fun. They don't think it's fun either. And if they think it's fun, they're deluding themselves into it. So they don't feel like this moral guilt is not fun. I've talked about this a bunch. Is like, the, like, hookup culture isn't good for anyone. It's not good for men. It's not good for. It's particularly not good for women. It, like, hurts you. It doesn't look good. Nobody looks back on it in a Positive way. It makes you lonelier. Like nothing about it is good. And it's not funny.

No, it's really not funny.

No.

In fact, you're really going to regret talking about, you know, BJ's and all of your explicit activities and naming the guys and having it out there forever.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

But the problem is I don't think there are enough women who are, you.

Know, you don't want to hear.

You want to hear this from somebody that looks, that's fit, pretty, and that is married and that is happy or that is in great relations. And I think a lot of these women are beautiful that are, you know, saying things like this and seemingly happy, but then kind of spewing something that is so detrimental for women. And I think there need to be more people speaking, going, I promise you that your 20s kind of suck. You're going to need a bunch of idiots, but you do not have to also sleep with all of them.

Yeah.

Have these terrible sexual encounters. We don't need to normalize that because it's actually not necessary.

Yeah. And it wasn't normal until very recently. That wasn't a normal thing. That was a very recently normal thing. And I feel like, I don't know, like, what do you think about this? I feel like society's going back in the direction of a little bit more conservative because it went crazy for a while there. But I feel like there are more celebrities having kids younger or getting married. And for a while there when we were younger, like say early 20s, nobody was doing it. And I feel like now I'm seeing some of the kind of maybe people in the 25, 8th grade or something, get married then or get engaged then, which I was seeing when I was a teenager.

I think you're right. I can't decide if it's actually happening or if the counterculture is louder. Like, is there a directional change in what, what young women are doing where they're starting to be more traditional and more conservative, or are those who are that just a little bit louder pushing back against some of this because, I mean, a lot of the data shows that Young women sub 25 years of age are more liberal than ever. Men are the opposite. And I've only seen two studies that I think you guys have talked about in Chris Williamson and some others, but they're sort of like this bifurcation still of people. So I'm curious. I can't decide. I tend to believe you, like to agree with you.

I don't know. I could also be in this bubble. But I feel like I'm meeting more and more people who are like, yeah, I want to have kids young. Which I think I heard as a teenager. I was like, I'm never having a kiss. Like, I heard that all the time. But it might be two different sections of society where, like, there are the people who are growing up as kind of a pushback against all the, like, really, really liberal stuff, being like, I'm going to be hyper conservative. I'm going to be a stay at home mom. And it goes like a section of society that's like, I'm going to have five kids. Like that section. I don't know. It's hard to tell. I also feel like the data is always like three or four years behind, at least. I don't know. Things don't look great, though. It's not like you can see by some of the more popular podcasts that talk about all these, like, sexually explicit things. They're very popular. So obviously it's very popular.

What's interesting is, like, what's less popular now? Less popular is like girl boss, feminism podcast. Like, isn't it interesting that there's not a ton of women who are big podcasters? There's like, you, you're probably one of the biggest that aren't sexually explicit or like, bravo, sort of real housewife things. There's like, maybe you, you know, there's like Barry Weiss. You know, I'm trying to think of. There's really not very many at all in business, you know, except old school. Like maybe like, you know, Susie Orman's still, like, around. There's not that any of that. But there's this big sexual, explicit movement and then kind of not a lot. And I couldn't really figure out why that is and maybe if it's going to change or not. Do you have any thoughts on that? Like, have you been on a lot of female podcasts or talked to a lot of other female podcasters? Yeah. Why do you think that?

You're like Dan and Kilpatrick.

Oh, yeah. I'm like, Danita.

Yeah, Dan too. That's it. I think that's weird. Why is that? I feel like people don't like listening to women. Like, I'm serious. Do you not get that? Have you ever called someone on the phone, you're like, oh, get my husband to talk to them. Because, like, they just don't care about what I say. Because I'm female, I experience that all the time. Like, oh, go try and get a car. I Was like, you talk to them, they're going to be like, they're just gonna take you serious. As a human compared to me. You play the system. I used to fight back against it. I was like, this is annoying. I think that's part of the reason I tried so hard to make money too. Because you're like, take me seriously, take me seriously. And then I like gave out. I think when I was like 29 was, nevermind, I'm just gonna use other people. Play it like, forget it. Like talking to lawyers. Like 60 year old lawyers are like, yeah, can we talk to your dad? Like my dad doesn't do this is like, I'm. My dad doesn't do your meetings. Okay, I do your meetings. So then like, never mind. We're gonna communicate over email and I'm gonna just say my dad says in front of everything. I was like, forget it. I'll just like, you're not gonna change the way you think so.

David. Dude, this is like a daily struggle.

I feel like for me, I mean.

I try to kind of similar to I turned about play the gender thing like because I feel like I'm so annoying. Like you know when women were like, ah, you know, I didn't get the job because I was a woman.

Oh, it is annoying. I, I don't think that's exactly true because I, I haven't like not been hired or something. Yeah, it's more like when I'm in a position then the level of serious I've taken. So like Jordan joined me, right. He's like a month in. I've been doing this for years and lawyers are on calls. I can just see how they're communicating. Like he's being taken seriously and I'm not. Like, is the blonde hair, Is it the shirt? I like, I don't care. I mean I could have like short brown hair and maybe I'd be taking more seriously or something. But I was like, forget. It's just a societal thing. I don't even think it's just mental. I think that women take men seriously too. More seriously.

I think you're. Well, I mean I've noticed it a lot on Twitter. I think Twitter is like an exceptional microcosm for this. So like I remember I had this, this tweet that went out that was, it was just about my time at Goldman. Like a bunch of stuff that I learned and it just got, you know, sometimes yourself gets into a weird.

Yeah, yeah.

Like whoa.

Yeah.

What's going on over here?

Who heard you?

Who touched you? Where, you know, and the threat ended up becoming like she must have been a secretary or who did she have.

Sex with to that is. Yeah.

In the beginning because I was new.

To the Internet then, you know, I'm.

Like looking at everybody's profile.

Yeah. It's those days. Yeah.

And but you're right, that still exists. It's pervasive. And I do think you have to look at it in the face and go, you will be taken not as seriously. And for years I as a woman, like man, when I was first in finance, I cut my hair really short. Terrible look for me because I like, it looked like a musher. It was awful.

I wore like no makeup.

I wore ill fitting J Crew pants.

Yeah.

Just because I wanted them to take me serious.

I know. Which is not the right way to go. Like just give up on that. No, that's right. But that is kind of the direction you go in.

Yeah.

Take your worst seriously. And it kind of works.

Yeah.

But it doesn't work fully.

And so whatever.

If, you know, the fact that you.

And I wear makeup and that I have lashes on and then my hair is done is going to have somebody not take me seriously, then they're probably not my person. But you're right. Maybe that's why it's because only really other women want to listen to women on a long form podcast. And your audience though is a lot of men.

Yeah. It's like 17%.

Yeah. Yeah.

There's 30%. Yeah. Where. Where are you?

Same actually. Exact same demographics. But I talk a lot about money and finance.

Yeah. Nobody cares about your vagina if you.

Can make the money.

Yeah. Yeah.

Weekly.

Yeah.

But people do. I'm sure that's not. That's okay. Well, what I kind of want to close out with here is being in a successful relationship with kids and working. This is purely selfish questions for me, but I don't have kids yet. We're trying. I find the fertility to thing to be devastating. And you know all of these friends who are like on their fifth or sixth round of IVF and just not.

Able to get pregnant.

We're like beginning trial stages. But like I'm not, I'm not pregnant immediately and it seems pervasive. One, was it hard for you to get pregnant? Are you, you know, do you think some of that has to do with cortisol? That it just come easily even though you were working?

Okay, okay. So a couple of things I didn't. I thought because we're both on this diet, people are going to think it's the same. It's just eating meat. I've seen a lot of people with fertility issues heal those fertility issues just eating meat. So, yeah, try that. Or eat as much as you can. Cut out all the processed foods and everything. The healthier you can make your diet. I've seen people who'd lost their period having period come back. So that. So I think we thought when we got together, we're going to have baby right away. And then I didn't get pregnant. I was like, what is going on? And it turned out. So he was about her healthy. I was living in two buildings that had major mold issues. Now, not major as in you can see it or you can smell it, but like, it's behind the drywall and is poisoning your air. That screwed up. All my hormones, like, all my vitamins went crazy. All my hormones went crazy. And I did get pregnant. As soon as we moved out of that house, I got pregnant. It was crazy. It was six weeks. As soon as some of my, like, sick autoimmune mold toxicity symptoms went down, I got pregnant. It's like, oh. And actually I ended up having a miscarriage when I was living there. Which it didn't. It was. That pregnancy was so awful that honestly. And then I was like, I don't think I made it. But I think that's because my body was like, something's wrong or something for sure. Whatever. I attribute that that's an old. I tried a carbocating because I was like 31 and just in case.

Yeah.

Like, I don't know what's going to happen in the future. And then we never went through with ivf. So I've heard a scoff on. I was lucky enough to not go through with it, but I would tackle it from diet. I make sure I suppose the end mold and get your hormones checked. Because if your hormones are out of whack. Mine were like. It had flattened. So these are obviously recovered. When I got my hormones checked through Maric Health, they do. They're really good at, like, trying to balance them. And they were flattened like premenopausal flat. Yeah. All of them. I was like, where are all my hormones? This is crazy. And that got molded and things got better. So it depends what people are looking at. But I look at, like, diet mold first. More than age.

Interesting. You know, it kind of tracks because I have all these hippie friends in Austin and they're doing things like an entire goat milk cleanse.

Yeah.

And going some.

I've heard the goat milk. But somebody Else brought up the goat milk. I'm gonna try it. I'll do a meat cleanse.

Yeah, okay.

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Do a meat cleanse. And then another girlfriend went through and did like a big toxicity, like, screening thing in Mexico where you could basically get pooped up to all these IDs because she had too many metals.

Oh, yeah. Heavy metal. Poison. Yeah, I know. Someone got that too.

Yeah. But, you know, it's. I think it's nice for people to hear that it's not always easy for everybody.

You could still be done.

Because I didn't know that it would be hard.

You know, I don't think anybody knows it's going to be hard.

And I think a lot of people also just, you know, it feels like to me, so many people buy into the medical establishment now. You know, I have a girlfriend that fuck. If you go into her pantry, there's like, I'm. I'm not kidding you. There's probably 50 different supplements she takes over the course of a week that sort of course out. And then all this stuff with IVF and then tens and tens and tens of thousands of dollars and it just. I don't know. I'm not a doctor, but in my gut I'm like, this can't be. This can't be the way now. And yet that's what we're told. That's what my doctor tell me.

To do.

That's what. That's also what I was. I wonder if people are more aware now that it can get tricky because I think what I was told too was that if you do ivf. And that was just it.

Yeah. And that it worked a lot.

Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't. The numbers are.

It's like 5% or less actually fully takes from the extraction all the way to a full term pregnancy.

Yeah. Even when I collected eggs, I didn't realize I do got multiplax. I thought it was just like a one and dot thing. Nope.

No.

Yeah.

Well, anyway, I appreciate sharing the story because I think it's not something fun that anybody wants to talk about. But the more I'm into it, the more I'm like, man, I think there's.

A lot of people that are in.

A little bit of despair about this. In fact, it's probably not you. You know, and I have a lot of friends now. We do prep at 48 and.

Yeah.

And then five.

Yeah.

But it's not through like traditional medicine.

Yeah.

Which is sort of like maybe where I want to finish out with you. Which is. That's sort of part of your mission is being disagreeable with the medical establishment.

Right. Yeah. My, like my entire family almost died, other than my brother. I don't know how these came in, but in different ways because of the medical system. So my, like, my mom had cancer. She had surgery, but then they botched the surgery and then she was going to die. She attributes her healing to God because she had multiple surgeries. None of them ever worked. And then she was like, I'm gonna get better on my anniversary. And then was magically cured on her anniversary. It was really weird. So that that happened to her. I'm just like brushing over that story. But that actually happened to her. But. So she almost died. My dad has like an autoimmune disorder that manifestly the severe depression was treated with multiple like antidepressants. Things that resulted in apathesia, which is like the worst side effect I've ever heard of. That lasted two and a half years. He almost died. And then I would have. I got my health under control and I was 23, but I had Jupiter and to arthritis. I had my hip and ankle replaced. I was on like Adderall because I couldn't stay awake. I couldn't stay awake during the day. I was taking medication so I could sleep at night. I was on antibiotics for skin rashes. I was eating prescription site antihistamines because I was sold to Trees. Like, I couldn't breathe. I was just a mess. It was on Amber Methotrexane, which are immune suppressants for arthritis and antidepressants. And then once I finally got healthy, I got off of all the medication. Then I went into antidepressant withdrawal for two years, because antidepressants cause withdrawal that nobody knows about. Like, people know about painkiller withdrawal, but antidepressant withdrawal is worse. I've been through both. And so it's just like. Also, the third leading cause of death is medical error, and that's only what's actually been written down. So we don't even know what about all the other deaths like psych med treatment causing side effects, causing suicide. That doesn't count as medical error. So I guess I think mainstream medical. Mainstream medical system is dangerous.

Still can't believe I talked about sex on the Internet in a way that my mom listens to. So you're welcome for that, mom and dad. Um, but I guess some of these things we can talk about in a way that don't have to be gross, that don't have to be over the top, that don't have to be voyeuristic. Like, a lot of people talk about the fact that, yeah, two humans come together, and that's how you make a baby, and that is what happens. In fact, this podcast I thought was really special today because I don't know about you guys, but sometimes I look around and it's hard to find women who are both working, successful, happy, and happily married. And so I hope you took some nuggets away from this. The one thing I want to make sure I tell you guys, though, is I think Mikayla's a big deal, but I think you're a bigger deal. And the biggest deal thing you could do for me is subscribe on all channels and share the show. There is no other way that people hear about this except you guys. Podcasts are super hard to grow, and yet we're growing like crazy. We're having hundreds of thousands of downloads across these episodes across platform, and we wouldn't be able to do it without you, and we wouldn't be able able to do it unless you guys shared it. So do me a huge favor if I've ever added value in your life. Share the show, leave a review, appreciate and love every one of you until next time. You're a big deal that I have it.

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