What Top 1% Performers Do That You Don’t (ft. Danica Patrick)

We're having such a hard time listening to someone that doesn't have the same opinion. That's where you grow.

Yeah, right.

Instead of just trying to prove you're right, try and figure out what is right. People think that if you're on TV somehow that you're not real. I have feelings, too. I'm a person like you think that. That doesn't hurt me at all. It does.

You screaming from the sidelines just means you're not in the game. You don't like what Danika's doing, go show her up.

Life is a game. I want to know how to play it so that I can make the most of it.

I love that. Hey, this is Cody Sanchez at the Big Deal Podcast. Welcome back to those who don't want to just be rich but free are willing to do what it takes. I am excited to get into this guest today, and I think you might realize why. Quick FYI, before we get into it today, I have my first ever book out. It's called Main Street Millionaire, and it is all about how to buy small businesses to take back Main street, your life, your bank account, and maybe just save our country. If you haven't got a chance to pre order, you can go to msnbook.com and we got some special things coming from those who become owners and pick it up early. I'm excited to have Danica on the podcast today because I want to learn from winners, those who've been put in intense situations, persevered no matter what, and come out the other side with something to say about it. I want to learn what it takes to actually go 0 to 100 in multiple careers, from broadcasting to being one of the biggest sponsored race car drivers in her career. 2. What do you do after you've hit the peak? How do you find your second and third mountain? What do you do after you've already achieved your dreams and then figured out that maybe you need to have a whole new one? This podcast today is pretty incredible. Not only because today she's gotten into sort of the culture war and pushed back on things that she thought don't make a lot of sense, but also for anybody that wants a mindset shift to become that type of champion that even in Zero sum Games, even, even when it is winner or loser, you can get that gear that gets you into winning mode. I myself have always struggled with those moments in athletic careers where if I didn't perform, everything would fall apart. And so I want to meet with those who rose to the challenge when that Happened. So, without further ado, my new friend Danica Patrick, who by the way is also tiny and I look like a giant by comparison. Danica, so excited to have you here. You were obviously one of the most famous NASCAR racers of all time, race car drivers of all time. And, you know, there was a point where I think you were one of the most highly paid and definitely you had more sponsorships than almost anybody in the nascar.

Yeah.

So what was that? What was that like? And did you always just feel like I should be here? Like you never had any sort of sense of self doubt, even though you were the only woman or you looked a little bit different than everybody else there?

I feel like self doubt and, and questioning your talent, your skill, is kind of human nature. I don't know if I don't, I, I don't know, maybe you've met someone that's gone through life where they have never had a moment of waiver on their skill set and their ability to execute or rise to the occasion or measure up. I think that everyone does have doubt. And so I do too. And I would, you know, have those moments in private for sure, time to time. And, you know, it's definitely a curious question for people, like, what do you do when you doubt yourself? And so for me, I leaned on my body of work. I was like, okay, I've been racing for 22 years now, or I've been racing for 25 years now, or whatever it was. And it's like, okay, I've done this, I've accomplished this, I've been around a long time and you can't, you don't stick around on a fluke for decades. Right. So that's the kind of stuff that I would look at and think to myself. And then I'd also be like, man, am I going to remember this? Am I going to remember how I qualified at Richmond, the fall Richmond race, not even the spring Richmond race in five years? No, I'm not even going to remember next year. So these are things that also help you cope to move on smart. And then the third one, which is a bit more of an action, is like, well, if you don't like what's going on, do something about it and change. And so if you want the same, what insanity, definition of sanity, do the same thing, expecting a different result. So if you want a different result, then you have to do a different action. And so I did that throughout my career too, where I was like, well, maybe if I approach it from this way, maybe if I do it like this, maybe that would make it better. And I think that's a responsibility that you have to yourself to figuring out how to get there.

What do you do if you doubt yourself without a body of work, something new you've never done before, you have.

To give yourself some. I think there's already like a built in amount of reasonable expectation level when you've never done something before. But then of course, I think then maybe it comes to really like goal setting. And so when I got to NASCAR from IndyCar, there's race after race. IndyCar was a much shorter season. NASCAR was basically like every single weekend. And so the energy of one weekend would spill into the next one very easily. And that's what I let it do when I first got there. So I realized because. And then it fully spiraled when it was like, I don't know, it was like second or third race in a row that was bad early in the season and it was Phoenix and it was like it was my, my sponsor's hometown race and. And I was just like a bitch about it. And I realized after that I was like, whoa, like, I better learn how to get over this stuff really fast and leave it behind each weekend so that I can reset the next weekend and bring a better attitude and a better mood because I'm always on, like, you don't have any. And what it creates is like a pretty bad spiral. So the goal setting and like finding small incremental goals along the way to the big one. I totally believe you need to have really, really big goals, really lofty ones that you don't even know if you can. They shouldn't almost be like, they should be believable only from a hopes and dreams standpoint. But it should be like, almost. It should be like very difficult to reach to the point that if you fall short, you've already like really killed it. You know, Love that. And, and so there's always the really, really big dream that's almost like the impetus to it. The really big dream is the impetus to the company or to the, to the business. And then, then you set the incremental ones along the way to keep you happy, to keep you positive, to keep you in a good mood, to keep the people around you motivated, to keep your damn sponsors happy. Right? Like those are the things that you do to, to bring yourself up so that you don't lose yourself and spiral out of control because you've had a couple bad weeks. It's like, okay, there's only been two or three rodeos now that's a low amount of rodeos.

Yeah, let's keep going. I, I think a lot of people in life don't have experience playing zero sum games. You know, it's, it's the hardest game there is because there is a winner and there are many losers. And in life, thankfully, most things are not a zero sum game. You know, if I grow my business, somebody else can grow it too. And nobody has to see me as I didn't win or I didn't lose. So when you were running these races and they were zero sum games, how, how do you mentally prepare for failing or not winning in front of hundreds of thousands of people?

Yeah, you've basically lost every weekend. I mean like the best of the best. Like I'm trying to think one of my very good friends, Kyle Larson, he might have won like 10 or 11 races one year, which is like a crazy amount of races. Out of like 40 or 39 or something like that. There was. So the ratio is pretty good, but that's like a insanely good. Like that doesn't happen that often. If you win five in a year, that's really good. So the rate of failure is super high. And I think that, I think that's why athletes are really pushed in the mental category very hard because there's a lot of losing. And so I think that's also why so many don't make it. That's why skill isn't really enough in sports and that you have to have more because you lose a lot.

And does that translate to your second career? Let's say now? Podcasting author, multiple time business owner? Is it the same in some ways as winning or losing a NASCAR race?

I get, I mean, I guess because the one thing I thought when I got into these other businesses was that I would just like pick up where I left off as a race car driver. Meaning you do your big TV shows, you're on the COVID of magazines, it sells well. It's like it everything like Cash Flow King, you know, that it just like pick up where I left off. And, and I realized that just because I drove race cars doesn't mean that people think I know how to make wine. And in fact that seems totally reasonable. So you have to like build up a reputation, you have to build up credibility. So I think that's like the one of the first big mistakes I made. But what we were just talking about with Mindset is that I'm used to failing. So I think like, what other way could we do it? I also think it takes time. You know, my career in racing was 27 years, so from 10 to 37, basically. So I, I didn't become an overnight success. Right. It took a long time to get there. So I also think about that too. And you're like, oh, that seems that it's a pretty rational thought too. Like, might take some time. No, it's very rational.

But I think most of us are really scared of something. So, you know, I've heard it called a death fear. And you know, my death fear is actually failing publicly and like being irrelevant publicly, just like being a public failure like that. My purpose of life is that I want to provide this massive amount of value. I want to achieve these things. I want my life to have meant something egotistically. And so if I fail, will that have meant that I didn't?

Like amongst your equals, amongst your co workers, amongst your fellow other business. Smoke that deep.

Okay.

Or like, or like just in general.

Maybe in general, but you know, so that might be mine or, and that it, that it didn't mean anything that I lived that, like, I didn't do enough while I was here. Quote, unquote. Do you have a death fear because it seems like embarrassment or public failure? You're like, no, fuck it. I just, this is just. You win some, you lose some.

No, it was about failing. It was about, it was just about not succeeding. And that's why also, like, money has never been a goal too, because I know that money's a byproduct of succeeding. Like, I don't have to have a goal of money. All I have to have a do. I have just to have to have the goal of succeeding. My goal is, oh, well, first off, whenever I'm starting something, whether it was racing or any other company that I have, I start with a dream, which is actually why I named my wine Somnium, because it means dream in Latin. And so there's, there's already like a built in passion for it and then from there it, like it's like a seed and then it becomes something. So these passions turned into businesses. Really what I wanted to do was I wanted to, I wanted to be successful. Like, I just want to be really good at it. Like, everything I do, I want to be good at. And even like my podcast too. Like, I think to myself, I look at these other people and I try and learn. And then maybe this isn't a good thing for me to do because the competitiveness in me wants to go. Like, how do I become really great?

Why would that not be good.

Well, no, not that part. The part I think about is like, cut yourself some slack. Like, you already had your mountain, right? You already did the thing. You already won. You don't even have to do this. So relax on yourself. Have a good time. Do a good job. You're probably doing a good job. You don't have to put so much pressure on yourself to be the best. You don't have to, like, do an interview and feel like, damn, I wish I could have gone this way or better. Like, you've already. You already had your skill set, and you're competing against people who. It's their skill set. Like, this is their mountain. They're there. This is their one thing. And, like, I'm just on to the next thing. So sometimes I think about businesses like that too, where I'm like, oh, just. Just chill out. You already did it. You know, really help give myself a little bit of peace of mind. But I don't think that you can change. You don't really change people. So I'm never going to lose this want and drive to be better. Maybe I don't have the push that I used to because things like vacations are important to me and free time and less stress and 9:1 ones and running around the country and sleeping in hotels and, you know, some of that stuff I don't want to do as much.

So.

But yeah, I think to myself, like, but. But we don't change. That's the point. Like, there will always be. There will always be that fire in me. I think we. I think about that with a personality, too. Like, I have a friend who, Joe Dispenza, who has, like, a book called Breaking the Person Yourself. And so I think that really could trigger people into being like, no, I like myself. And it's like. But, you know, it's all about becoming like a better version of yourself. You know, it's not. It's just like breaking the habit of being yourself is. It's just a pattern. And so I don't think that. But inherently there's like an essence to you. And so as much as you're scared about, like, changing your personality and changing who you are, I think there's always an existing essence within you, within me, within all of us that will always be there. And do people ever say to you that, like, they. They have a generalization for what you're like or, like a descriptor?

Of course. Yeah.

No matter what.

Of course.

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Like available massaging front seats, it only feels extravagant. That's a good point. And also it's a great reminder that no matter what you do, you can't stop being you. That's the one thing for sure. Until you die, this is what you are. And you can become better versions, worse versions, different versions, but it's just not sustainable to not be who you are. So that's a really good reminder, especially in a world where increasingly we're all. So many people are pretending, you know, we're collectively pretending crazy things, we're individually pretending crazy things. And I do think there's a huge freedom in honesty.

I think it's also that we just don't actually know who we are.

Well, you've done a lot of work on that. I mean, I was going through all of your podcasts in between, you know, working with doctors and plant medicine and going deep. This wasn't anything you did while you were racing. This is all second mountain for you.

All kind of curiosities. But yeah, there wasn't time or space for that. These are all just my other interests, like showing up on a show.

Do you find that a lot of high performing people who have had their first mountain that they've achieved then end up needing to seek themselves more because they're like, God, I achieved that thing, I hit the goal. Now what is there like an identity crisis that happens after that?

I don't, I don't know. But I do think that we all like fall short in like one bucket. Usually, like you've got like your relationship bucket, work bucket, family bucket, hobbies, interests, confidence. But like there's like these sort of like buckets of like life. And, and I think that, I think that, I think that we're always going to have to go to Work on the one that we're not good at, the one that's more difficult for us, the one that we're more insecure about, the one that we're more challenged, the one that we'd have less confidence in, the one that we're not good at, you know, the one we don't maybe just don't have the experience in. But yeah, I always think there's like one.

So what's your relationships like? Intimate.

Yeah. And even like, specific to that. I'm really not attached to friendships, businesses, anything like that. Like, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Relationship doesn't work. I'm like, what does it say? I'm like, I need to change or do something different or.

So you become kind of like an amoeba, like you. You change to try to keep the relationship.

Well, yeah. And it usually shows up from a childhood pattern. Right. There's, there's. It can almost always be traced back to childhood, so. Or. Or some youthful experience. And so. So I think that when you get past avoiding that one that you're not good at because you've been so focused on something else, man, you now have time. Right. And you also probably doing more of those other things. Right. Working your ass off. You don't have time for the other stuff. So I think that it just shows up and it actually just becomes a more relevant problem. So I think that's usually, that's where a lot of myself help came from, but other than that, it was just pure interest in trying to understand how the universe works.

Yeah.

Because it's just a curiosity of mine.

I mean, first you walked in the door, you're like, look at this crazy machine I just did with this inflammation thing. And I had never. I can't even remember the names of all this stuff. So you obviously have that insatiable drive for learning.

Yeah.

Which makes sense because you use the term. I'm not stuck with any idea. Like, I am open to new learnings all the time. In fact, wouldn't it be a tragedy if your entire life you weren't allowed to change your perspective when you had more inputs? Yeah. What a bizarre take to have.

And if you never change your mind, it means you never learned. Learn anything new.

Yeah. Horrible. And yet that is something that we hold against people all the time. I mean, I thought it was a travesty actually, that, you know, who was it? Amber Rose or whatever, came and spoke at the rnc.

Yeah.

And she just got killed on the Internet for it.

Super impressed. Yeah.

And I thought, who cares?

She was a stripper.

Yeah. She wants to be better.

She's on the RNC stage with a tattoo on her head, speaking, like, so articulately and beautifully. And I'm like, wow, good for you. Hell, yeah.

100% forehead tattooed, RNC. Good for her. That's the exact thing that I thought. And also, shame on any of us who try to take old versions, maybe worse versions of ourselves, and say that we can't progress, that we have to be shackled to that person for the rest of our lives.

Sure.

I mean, you and I are both divorced. That would be tough if we were never allowed to leave that behind.

It'd be like a business not being able to pivot. It's like, nope, man. Your first stab at it. You didn't do it. You can't. No, no. I know you. You did those stupid advertisements. You can't do better Now.

That's true. When you moved past being divorced, successful woman achieved a billion things. Like I told you, my COO is like a big Danica fan. So he's like, I've always had a crush on her. Like, shout out, Chris. I'm sure you get that all the time. I know.

It's the last time that happened was a couple days ago I interviewed Ronda Rousey.

Yeah.

Which is someone I always want to interview. Like, she's very bad to have, like, really, really high achieving, very famous female athletes to come together. So I was really excited about it, and she walked in. The first thing she said is, like, my husband Trav wanted me to know. Want you to know that he has a huge crush on you. And, like, she wanted to, like, saying, like, they were looking me up before, and he was pointing out, like, see, she's the same age as me anyway, so that was the last time.

I like that. If that is the legacy that you continue to have from them, that's incredible.

You know, and then we both decided, because my boyfriend had had a cr. Ronda Rousey, when she was doing her thing. And I was like, well, same thing. And I was like, obviously our men like really strong women.

Clear. That is true. Yeah. A lot of my female friends today will say it's really hard to find a man. To find a man right now. Like, there's no men anywhere. And, you know, men don't want to date me because I'm successful or whatever. What do you think about that?

I ask a lot of questions about human psychology, about the patterns in history and genders and what's inherent to them. I do think that there's, like, a provider gene for men. Like, and I think that when a woman is successful, it, like, competes with that provider gene, like, or like, like nature within them. I think men or a masculine mind is more like thinking, doing, logical. And a woman tends to be more. The feminine is more flow, wants more like, possibilities. Dreamy. And. And so I think that I wonder too, how much it's shown up in my relationships just being in, like, the do, do sort of mode. The masculine mind is super easy for me to do. It's very easy for me to make decisions, make the call, pay the thing, organize, book, do boss people around. It's also really easy to do.

Yeah.

And so that in and of itself is probably hard to break down past for me, like, of mine. Right. Because you got to do better than that. Right. You have to be more capable than that on some level. But. And so getting into my feminine requires me not making as many decisions and doing as much. So it. I think that it makes it hard. You gotta, like, someone's gotta get through it and then they have to be able to, like, sort of uphold their end of the bargain to be able to keep me in my feminine and just ultimately, though, overall just, like, have enough confidence.

Yeah.

That they're worthy. But you know what? That happens on the other side too. You know how many times I've felt, like, probably not worthy, like, because at the end of the day, we don't get the relationship we want. We get the one we believe we deserve.

Oh, yeah.

So I'm sure in my life and my patterns, like, I've deserved. I feel like I've deserved someone that's a little harder on me. Someone that isn't quite as emotionally available. Because, like, that's what I got. That was like, my patterning from childhood with dad and, you know, and the way that I operated. So I got what I thought I deserved instead of just standing my ground and being like, you know what? This isn't working for me. I also went to that athlete mode of, like, let me fix it. I think that's a little bit of an athlete mode, maybe. Yeah. Because you were constantly being told what to do. Like, change this, do that break later, show up here, you're late, you're, you know, whatever this is. Your life's on a minute by minute by minute, and you're being told what to do all the time instead of feedback. Always how to be better.

Right?

There's always about how to be better. It's not really like, let's just totally celebrate. It's like, no back to work Monday.

Yeah, no, not a lot of celebrating. I can only imagine at your level. I mean, I was a tiny little athlete with softball, but I think it's helped a lot in business because I don't take much personally. You know, it's pretty easy to just go, oh, this isn't about me. This is just the job we're doing. Yeah. And so, like, we just make these changes, but in a relationship, not the same. So how do you get back into your feminine? Or how do you, I mean, you look very feminine. You look great. You got a little color on. You got a little skirt. But, you know when you come in the door after a hard day running, bossing people around, yelling at people during an F1 race or something, as you're broadcasting it, like, do you walk in the door and you're like, yeah. So anyway, what we're doing today is we're gonna go here, and then your, your boys, you know, your boyfriend's there, and you have to, like, break frame.

How does that work? Yeah, I, I, I usually it's like, whoa, chill out. Or whoa. And, and I'm like, sorry, I'm still in the mode. So, like, even this week, doing, recording a bunch of shows and, like, working, it's like, I can stay in that go mode, and it'll just, like, be a comedown.

Yeah.

Any but just having the awareness of it. Just like anything in our life, the awareness of something is more than half the battle. It's the one that took the most time. Like, it took me till I was this old to be able to realize, oh, I do this now. The actual changing of the pattern is a lot harder, but it's a lot shorter. Um, so, but the awareness plays a role in and of itself. So just the awareness, like, oh, wait, I think I'm still in, like, work mode right now. Let me chill out. And so it just takes a little bit of time. It's like an energy. It's wound up. It's just gotta, the energy just gotta chill.

That's a really good point. Yeah.

My therapist told you that. I mean.

Oh, yeah, my therapist said, go with your husband. Well, she said something that I thought was fascinating. She's like, most fights happen in transition moments. Fights don't typically happen during a continuous pattern. They happen in between coming home from work, into the door. They happen leaving from the house to the airport. They happen from, you know, leaving a meeting and jumping into another meeting. She's like, fights happen in transitions. And I thought that seemed sort of true. And so she said, when you know you're going to go through a transition, and it's typically one of your trigger fight modes, just take a moment by yourself before you walk in the door, before you come home, take a couple breaths, like, take off your shoes, get rid of the jacket, like, drop the bag outside or something before you even walk in. Yeah. And then you walk in. You're right. And so I think that makes a lot of sense.

That would make sense, walking back in the door after the race to the hotel room and being like, okay, I'm done working.

Right. Which is beautiful. And I think the one nice part about women working so much now, too, is men probably don't have as many conversations like that as women do with their therapists. And. But it's the same thing, you know, that's like the stereotype since the beginning of modern work is the man comes home, he's tired. You know, the woman wants something, he's in this other mode. And how do you change that? What do you think about this? This idea of, you know, trad wife and men not wanting a strong woman anymore?

No.

Know about this. You're on the Internet. I thought this is. Okay. So trad wife. Let me school you. So apparently there's a new movement, kind of newish, but it's like, have you seen. I wish I could think of some of their names.

They're like Nacronin, Traditional Wife.

But it's like these beautiful dressed women that are in, like, aprons and whatever, kind of with makeup on, but they're in the kitchen and they're like, cooking a meal, but the whole time they're like, and now I'm making for my husband.

Oh, yeah, those funny videos, right?

Yeah. Yeah. And so the idea is, like, the traditional woman who doesn't work, who takes care of her husband, who bakes sourdough bread from the garden, you know, takes care of the kid.

Yeah.

And it's sort of maybe this pushback to girl bosses or whatever. Have you found that it's harder for you to date because you are a successful woman and not like a tradwife?

I definitely thought about that, too. I. I mean, some of the stuff that we already said. Yes. But I've also wondered, too, if some of it's a little about wanting a kid sometimes. I've wondered that too, of, like, just if that wasn't like, a driving force. There's like, not a. Not as much of an anchoring to, like, solidifying the relationship.

Do you not want kids?

I wouldn't say that, but, I mean, while I was racing, it was not gonna happen so hard. I wonder sometimes if, like, that wasn't, like, an anchor to a relationship. Right. As being something. Something that could play into it. I've heard that a man wants to, like, just. He just wants somewhere where it's not hard. Like, he just wants easy. And I guess if I'm looking at it in the most positive way, it's. It's because, like, he's been at work. I agree. He's. It's stressful. He, like, has the responsibility of, like, keeping the family, you know, afloat, you know, financial burden could be some of that. Right. So he just kind of wants, like, just peace. Like, I just don't want it to be hard.

Also, for me, personally, I didn't really have an issue with. And I'm a pretty hardcore bitch.

And I like.

I mean, I couldn't be with somebody who was probably a total wallflower because I'd walk all over him. But sometimes I think a lot of women today, if you're struggling to find somebody to be with, we have to be careful the stories that we tell ourselves. And so if you're out there saying men are bad and they don't want a woman, that works and you know, you're never going to meet somebody because you're not this traditional stereotype, then that's probably going to be true. And simultaneously, if instead, you know, you tell yourself a different story, you might have a different outcome.

I think our perception becomes our reality.

Yeah. I mean, you guys, as athletes, visualization is incredibly important, Right? Totally. How does that actually work? How do you. How do you visualize? Do you still do that today? Oh, you know what you should do? Remember when we were talking and you were saying I was explaining some stuff in finance, and you were like, oh, fuck, I just blacked out with all of that. I wasn't listening at all because I was explaining some numbers and I was saying to you that I feel the same way with directions. Like, I become an idiot. I'm lost, and I immediately, as somebody's telling me where to go, I black out. And you said something different happens.

Yeah. I draw a picture in my head.

Yeah.

And I said, with you, with numbers, you probably start to see, like, almost like a flowchart. You see, like, you can see it.

Yeah.

It's like the queen's gamut, Right?

Yeah. Right, right, right, right. That's interesting.

I see directions. I don't see numbers at all. It's just numbers.

They throw them in the air, float out there, and you just kind of wiggle them away. Yeah, that. That makes sense.

Roam into the abyss. It's probably more accurate.

So how do you visualize then? Like, what is your actual process?

Visualize? I mean, with racing itself, you just literally visualize perfect lapse.

Yeah.

Literally put yourself inside the car and you can watch yourself turning off, and then you can watch yourself, like, apexing. You also imagine how it felt and how you turn the wheel and you just visualize it all happening perfectly.

Yeah. So you feel how. You feel what it looks like. Anything else? Do you do, like other sensory things? Is it smell, touch? No. Okay. And do you apply that today? Like, do you still do that in your day to day in your business?

You know, one of the most pop, like, powerful ways to manifest is that way. And I just interviewed Joe again, speaking of Joe Dispenza the other day. And I'm like, why did I do this every day? Because, like, I manifested something in two hours when I learned this the first time. And how.

How do you do it? Yeah, what's the process?

The way he teaches it is you think about whatever is it is that you want. So in my example, that manifested in two hours. I wanted to go to Egypt. So you put an e, put a little bubble around it on a piece of paper on the other. On one side of it, you write a handful of reasons why. Adventure, mystery, learning, like, all whatever your reasons why. And then on the other side of it, you write another handful of elevated emotions that you will feel having accomplished it. So you'd be like, aww. And you'd be, you know, joyful, you'd be humbled, and you write these emotions down. So then the meditation happens. And then at the end of it, he's like, all right, you go to go to go to what is that you want and think about why. And then you go into the elevated emotions, and that is the part where you visualize. So I pictured myself looking at the pyramid, feeling this awe, overwhelmed, like actually feeling it. Because I'm looking at it now. I'm looking at it and I'm actually there. I've made it. And it's spectacular. And I feel like, elated and like, like humbled. And you get all the whole feeling and it becomes visceral. Like so some. When you do it, you might get cry, you might laugh, you might heart rate starts going up, you might get warm, start sweating, whatever it is. But. But because you're actually in the experience and you're having a feeling. You're charged up. You're now in the future. You now are living in the future. It's happening. So you've anchored that reality, and then it's. You just wait for it to come through. And so anyway, there's magic into letting it go. There's definitely magic and letting it go, so. Because I thought to myself, man, if it takes years to manifest this trip, because he was telling a story about one that he did and how long it took, and it was. I don't know, it was like six months or like, something like that. And I'm thinking, yeah, like, if this takes a couple of years to get the right trip. So I go to dinner, and my girl taps me on the shoulder, and she's like, hey, I heard you're interested in Egypt.

And I was like, that's wild.

I was like, do you know what I wrote down? And she was like, huh? She's like, no. She said, but this girl over here said you were talking about Egypt. She's like, there's a trip in February if you want to go, which was in a couple months. And I was like, fuck, yeah, I want to go. And I looked across the table at dinner, and I said, joe, two hours. Two hours.

What did he say? Just. Just nuts.

Yeah.

Interesting. Why don't you do it more often?

That's a way to manifest.

I'm gonna steal that.

Visualizing and feeling. Yeah, it's the feeling that gets you into it because really marks it. Like, it. It just like. I mean, we can have it in a negative way, too, so we can create positive and negative associations with emotion, too. And that's what happens with the trauma where, you know, you. Something happens and you feel. It could be small, but you get this feeling of like, maybe you were told as a kid, like, maybe you were singing in the car and, you know, your mom was in a bad mood, and she was like, oh, you sound so horrible. Stop. And you're like, oh, gutted, right? And, like, you never sang again. And because. And. But you. You, like, wanted to cry. Maybe you did. And so that's like a. An emotion marked in the moment that you're now stuck in. So the same thing can happen on the other side of it with positive emotions. It's called reminiscing. Right? And it's like, you know, having a really positive memory where you look back and, like, you're really happy about it, and you sort of. Those are the ones that you rehash with people. So those are really Positive emotions. It might be you. You know, when you were young, you went to, you know, you used to have a cabin and you guys would have bonfires every night. So every time you smell a bonfire, you're like, this takes me back to the cabin. And you're like, you know, you can put yourself in a different state, but it's that emotion that's the most important part. So even with manifesting, it's the emotion that really draws in that reality.

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Yeah, I mean, the context matters a little bit, but I would say with intention of knowing what that means is that the car doesn't know the difference. The car doesn't know if it's a girl or a guy driving. It shouldn't matter, Right. The potential is still there. So that's probably why was that hard.

To say back then. Did you get flack for that or do you get more flack for a statement like that today?

Oh, I think if you say girl or boy, you get flack for it today no matter what. So I think we're in a really weird time where like, I don't know about you, but anytime I say male, female, girl, like, I'm like, oh, wait. And then I usually follow it up with who cares? Because I believe there's two genders, so suck it. Then you're immediately, yeah, that's it, canceled. And that's the end of me.

Or people are tuning in, you know.

Right. I mean, controversy does get some does get clicks too. But I think that, I don't think it's ever hard for me to say. To be honest, I'm just very comfortable with whatever my truth is. And I'm totally open to my truth changing. I'm a pretty open minded person. And if in fact I love having my mind changed because it means I've learned something.

Yeah, I like that line about you. That's rare. What about, it's super timely right now. Olympics just happened. Lots of controversy about men and women at the Olympics too. What do you think about Men and women's sports. I got confused, even with the boxing thing. All of a sudden I'm like, what is a woman? And then I'm confused because I'm a woman. And then there's some sexual disease, you know, some disease that they had. It was over my head. And I stick in my lane in finance half the time. But as a female that was an athlete, what do you think?

I think there should be a pretty clear definition of man and woman or girl and boy. I think that, you know, you're biologically born a certain one way. You either have reproductive organs or you don't. Or, well, you can either be the one that carry a baby or you don't.

There you go.

And so I kind of think that's the differentiating factor. And maybe it's just like a matter of language of girl, boy, or male, female. Maybe there's like biological or birth gender or something like that. But there was one, so. And I think that while. Because obviously, like, I was a girl in a guy's sport, but there are some true hormonal, physiological reasons why men should not compete in women's sports. When it comes to strength, when it comes to power, size, those things are really different. And when men have at least 10 times the testosterone that women do, which is something that helps build lean muscle mass and gives you size and mass and power, it's totally unfair. Like, it's. It's. It's not. It's not fair at all. So I. I don't agree with it. I think we're in a super weird time, and I can't believe that they allow that stuff into the Olympics.

Yeah. I also think it's fascinating that we are taking up so much time in our society with that question.

Yeah.

It's like all the problems. Yeah. All the things we need to solve, all the obesity, the unhealth, the poverty, the difficulty. That's where we want to go. And so I do get sad that some of our greatest minds, we have to spend time even talking about this. And yet, simultaneously, I do think that words mean things, and we should be careful that we understand the words before we use them. So I think it's important there are people like you that take a stance on either side, and I'm open to either. You know, the other day I was at a conference, and it was a Latino conference, and I think the term Latinx, which I call Latinx, is the most ridiculous term of all time.

What does it mean?

Right.

Had you heard this before? I've never heard this.

So essentially Latino is an O on it, which is masculine in Spanish. Oh, O's are masculine.

Latina.

Right. And so they said that this was genderizing the word Latino, so they put an X on it. And I worked in Latin America for a long time, so I played a little game where I asked all my peeps, I was like, what is Latinx? Latinx? Have you ever used this? And they were like, the que? Like Latin eches? It doesn't even make sense in the vernacular. Exactly. And so I kind of said that at the crowd and a young woman said that she identified as Latinx and I'm happy to talk to you about it. And I was like, you know, I don't care what you call yourself, just don't make me use a word that I shouldn't have to.

Well, let's face it, we're not using man and woman. And we're not, we're not doing it to degrade or devalue judge. We're using it as a descriptor. Usually it's like, excuse me, sir, it's like. Because, like, what am I supposed to say? Excuse me, brown haired, tall person. It's like a descriptor. We're trying to get, you know, it's, it's just makes. It makes functioning in society a little easier. And yet we're here making it hard. We're heart, we're here making it complicated. Yeah, it's so, it's so not worth our time. Yeah, like, it's not. And it seems like there's a clear answer. And I love like the hypocrisy of that people. What is it like, people that want, you know, people that want a female president also are not able to describe. Tell you what a female is like. There's also like goofy hypocrisies in there too that are just like. I don't know, it's like I feel like we're living in this very interesting time in society where things are becoming more and more and more polarized. So there's, I think, just like more stupidity than ever, but also brilliance. And there's more beauty and joy and possibility out there and connection and less than ever. Like, we're just living in this really weird time. And I don't know where it snaps back to or if it breaks apart and becomes something new, but it's a very interesting time.

When you first started saying things like that publicly, you're a broadcaster, you're on stages all the time. Then you go on Tucker Carlson and that's Highly divisive for some people. And did you get a lot of pushback talking about things like genders or politicians? And does that bother you at all?

It doesn't bother me. It just shocks me. And so I, I try not to, try not to go into an area that I know, don't know too, too much about. I think it's okay to have opinions, right? Like to become an expert on something's one thing, but you know, we were talking before just about, you know, you speaking out in various different things and you know how you find your groove with that. It's like you can only really, the, the fail safe way to do it is to use your experience. It's to just say in my experience or in what happened to me was because nobody can argue with that. Nobody can argue with that at all. So. But when I, I think that, you know, when it comes to politics and speaking out and being a little bit more in that world, which is a world I totally stayed away from, I mean, look, when you go do events or you do speaking engagements or various different things, there's two things that are topics that you're not supposed to ever talk about. It says like topics to not, do not talk about these topics. Politics, religion, like they always say, just like stay away from those things. So as an athlete, I just did my job and I didn't, didn't get in, didn't get in the middle of all that stuff. But last fall, last winter I went to amfest in Phoenix, which is a turning point event put on by Charlie Kirk. And it's all very red, white and blue. You know, it's all, you know, it's a lot of Republicans, a lot of right leaning people speaking out. But it was, you know, the platform had various different people. Everybody's talking about like psychology to religion to border control to like all kinds of various. And obviously, of course, politicians. Tucker was there and when I posted about it, people like, it's amazing that you can go to an event where it's about loving America and people think you're radical. And so I guess that's kind of where I'm like, I almost got pissed off. I was like, y' all are crazy. And so I think that that's kind of what got me engaged and made me feel like a little bit more of a calling to speak out. I've also always wondered whether or not you, if there's a problem or an issue or something that you don't agree with, do you feed into it and try and speak your mind or have an opinion about it to try and change it, or let people know or educate or widen their potential horizon on what could be possible and the way that they think. Or are you actually just reinforcing and perpetuating that exact narrative that exists? Right.

Are you.

Are you keeping it alive with your attention? And so I've thought about that many times. Like, do I just go live my life and stay away from all this stuff and not give my opinion? It's an easier way. It's a more peaceful way in some. Some ways. But I think that I just got to the point where being engaged on some level felt like a calling. And I feel comfortable to say things, you know, say more than I used to. It's definitely still an area that's a little weird coming from being an athlete to, like, have opinions about stuff like that. But when you walk into a Burlington, you're walking into amazing prices and great gifts. That's main character energy. Because at Burlington, the holiday savings aren't the only things turning heads. Discover quality finds and perfect presents for everyone on your list, even those who are hard to shop for toys and jewelry to new beauty brands and styles. These gifts go seamlessly from our stores to under your tree. Seriously, with these savings, why shop anywhere else? Burlington deals, brands.

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Well, you're very respectful. I mean, I want to play this clip of you back in the day getting, you know, you have some fans that are talking a little shit on the sidelines and. And you walk over and, you know, here it is. Boom. No, I get it. That was. There was.

Sweetheart, instead of taking the booing, what I want to tell you is, like, I do the very best I can.

Yes, you do.

I mean, if you're a real fan, you know that I'm not just like, my job is to sign autographs, right? My job is to drive the car to tell the chief what's going on. Well, I don't appreciate the book.

You know what I mean?

I am a person, too. I have feelings. So when you boo me, it hurts my feelings.

Okay? Please, just.

Peace of blood of fans. I'll be every everything I can when I came from over here, three cars over there. I only do so much. I have to get in the car. So please understand that.

All I thought was interesting about this is that you even thought to one speak to them. So, like, what was going through your head at the time? Do you do that often? Was it like a one off thing? Oh, yeah.

Going at, like, mothering fans or yelling at fans or whatever. However you want to look at it is for sure rare. And yeah, I was like, I think I was at Pocono and I was walking back from pit road and I might have been after qualifying or something like that. Generally always very busy. I mean, we're working and so I'm walking back and I think people think that if you're on TV or on your phone or behind a railing, somehow that you're not real and you don't have feelings. But they said some smart ass comment and I was like. And I, like, rationally was like, all right, that is inappropriate. And, like, I just want to go tell them. Like, and I want to go, I'm gonna go tell them how I feel about it. Which was. I walked over there and I was like, look, that hurts my feelings. Like, you think I don't know. I didn't hear you. Like, I have feelings, too. I'm a person. Like, you think that that doesn't hurt me at all. It does. It does. And, like, I feel like I did, like, a little mothering act on them. Right. I kind of just.

You were very. Even too. No cuss words, no raising of a voice. Did they respond well?

I. I think I got more flack from.

I don't remember if.

I think maybe someone got it on video. Obvious, obviously.

Obviously.

Obviously. But yeah. I think anytime that you disrespect your fans, it just doesn't always go super well.

Yeah.

But again, that felt like a way to. I was trying to tell him. You made me feel bad about myself.

Yeah.

You know? Yeah.

Because.

And also stop being a dick. Stop being an absolute dick.

You know, I kind of like that better. I feel like. Next time.

How does your parents raise you? Did they raise you to yell at people from the sideline? Like, you suck.

You're like, you do it.

Seriously. I think about that. Who. I mean, at what point in time in your life did you. Did you evolve into being like the you suck person from the stands? It's never even crossed my mind.

Yeah. Ever. And now there's a world of them on the Internet. Oh, God.

Yeah.

You know, just before they walking around.

I can't even go approach them.

No, you can't. Half the time they have these anonymous accounts. But I do think that it's a good point because I, I think a lot of times people don't realize that you screaming from the sidelines just means you're not in the game.

Like, if you don't like what in the arena.

Right. If you don't like what Danica's doing, go show her off, you know, go be better. But I think they don't believe in themselves that much, which is why peanut galleries happen.

So, you know, the way you treat someone says the way the way that someone treats you says a lot more about them than it does you. And so if someone's an asshole to you, it doesn't mean, if they're mean to you about something, it doesn't mean that you've done something wrong. There's the means that they're mean.

Yeah.

You know, it's talking about their insecurities. Anytime. Also, somebody gets triggered projects it's coming from a wounded place because usually what we judge, we deny. So maybe they, maybe they were not allowed to. Like if their mom or dad like, wanted their attention, they had to like snap to it. Maybe they like, no matter what, they had to respond. And maybe they were taught like, if be respectful of this and like, you know, always put them first. And so then in this scenario where he's saying something, wanting attention from me and I don't do it and he says something, maybe it's because he was triggered into this sort of like pattern that he's in where it's like, I would have for sure come over and turned around. You should have. And then he got mad.

Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. I do think a lot of the trolling happens at the end of a should. And so. And shoulding your way through life is just not a good idea. You. I often get asked this question, how do you function as a woman in a male dominated field? And I never really know the right way to answer that. I'm sure you've got to ask the same question, how do you answer it?

That I've never been a guy, so I don't know how it is to be a guy. I don't know what it's.

I don't know.

I mean, how do you be a guy in a guy's world?

That's good. What do they say back?

Nothing. They can't say anything again. That's my experience. Right. Like you can't argue with that. I didn't Tell you, well, it's much more difficult and you don't believe in me. And I didn't say that because they might be like, no, I totally believe in you. So my experience is, I don't know. I don't know the difference. I've never been a guy. So you're asking me of the Delta? I don't have any information on the Delta.

Yeah, no. No penis, no Delta. Nope. I want to talk a little bit about. You know, you have on your podcast all these different things you talk about, some of them manifesting, like with Joe. I listened to a few of them where you talk about health. Now it makes a lot of sense why, you know, you've kind of been really curious about how to fix health. In particular, you talked about something another one of my girlfriends struggled with, which was issues with breast implants. What happened? And now that you've talked to a bunch of people about this, you've worked through this with your help, health. Have you found this is common? Like a lot of women have issues with breast implants, and how could you even tell if you have one or not?

It's one of those things that. I'll share this part too. Like, there's a whole big obviously thing around vulnerability and all of the most impactful things that I've done. Oh, there's like a few moments where I like, shared something I wasn't sure I was ready to share. It's like, so breast implants was one of them. Because I never said I got them. I got them when I was racing. So I was like, this seems counterintuitive for an athlete and it shows I'm insecure about something, you know, Like, I just. I'm not trying to advertise that. Didn't you?

Cute bikini advertisements too.

Sure. Yeah.

I remember seeing those bad boys. They look great. Yeah, thanks.

They were very tasteful. And so. But then when I got them out and I had a positive, like, my body responded so positively so quickly. I felt this calling to tell people because I'd worked for like a year and a half so hard on figuring out what the hell was going on with me. And so I created this post and my mom was with me because she was there taking care of me. I didn't really need anything. I mean, honestly, like, I was at the grocery store. My surgery was at 2:30 in the afternoon and I was at the grocery store at like 7:30 in the morning with all the energy in the world, like, all right, cool. With like drains hooked up to me. Jesus. Anyway, so. But she was there. And I was like, mom, should I post this? And she was like, well, you should check and see if you should. So it's like, send Haley, who's been with me for, like, 15 years. I'm like, so she's my VP. Should I post about it? She's like, let's wait. And I was like, mom, should I post this? She's like, well, you're probably going to do it anyway. True. And I first sent it, I was like, okay.

Yeah, okay.

And I was on Good Morning America six days later with my doctor, you know, telling people about it. So it's like when you share something that you're not sure you're ready to share is like, there's some real magic in that vulnerability. And. And it resonates with people. That's why it's, like, not always the best thing to always look like you have your together.

Yeah, it's true.

Put together. And that you don't make mistakes and that you do everything right or that you always look right. Because there's no connection in that authenticity. There's no fear that you're feared you're going to get judged. Right?

Yeah, Well, I think. Yeah.

And I think, like, in that fear, there's, like, there's some alchemy. There's some, like, magic frequency that connects with people because we all get scared of things and.

And we're all super flawed. Ton of issues. I also think that's why, for instance, like, somebody like Mel Robbins, I think she connects with a lot of women because she's really.

She's.

It's all out there.

She's super real about it.

Yeah, she's super real. She's really vulnerable. She's like, I'm kind of a mess in this way and this way. And I'm not taking, you know, I don't have a bunch of face paint on here.

I'm just here.

And I think in an age of endless filters and people only showing their highlights, that's really powerful. To your point.

I think there's as much of it as you can possibly do. I don't think I'm even that good at it. I think that people tend to have.

You're not good at being vulnerable.

Yeah, I'm very transparent, which I think is not vulnerable. Like, I'm just comfortable telling you anything. Yeah. Like, I'm telling. I'm comfortable to talk about. Which I'll tell you about the more about the breast implants and what happened. But. But I'm comfortable to talk about A lot of things talking about, you know, my life or, you know, personal interests or things. I, you know, just various different things. I'm like pretty transparent relationships or whatever.

Right.

But, but I think vulnerability is that like, I think I have a big scale for transparency and then the vulnerabilities over at the end and I'm like.

I think I'm the same. It might be because you're, you're, you're pretty tough. Like you're intense in a lot of ways. And so to find the thing that actually makes you vulnerable is that hard? Like is there not that much that.

Actually like Alex Honnold, the climber that he like, like think about how big his comfort zone is for climbing up a cliffside. Right. Like exactly. Like not a lot phases him.

Right.

Maybe, maybe it's a practice thing. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, might be true.

I also think at some point there's like a little bit of vulnerability porn too where it's like, do we always have to show all. You know, I'm careful about showing too much on the Internet from a, a pure vulnerability standpoint because I think a lot of people then they use it, they kind of weaponize it. You know, it's like, have you ever followed the accounts where they show their cellulite all the time? Like every photo is them with like.

A lot of cellulite or like Dana Mesa or something. Or something. And she'll like show like how to pose correctly because she worked for a magazine. Yeah, she'll so Stelli Light and things like that. But yeah, I don't know. I mean I think there's like a.

Little bit of like you can get addicted to the vulnerability porn of posting a lot too.

So I think it's like addicted to the attention, right? Yeah, I think that's right. So real.

Right? Exactly. And so, and so I think it is important like how you determine what your public brand and Persona is, whether it's in business or for a personal brand is so important because you can get trapped in it. You know, like you talked about you, you probably at some point were like, I swear to God, if somebody asks me about racing or says the word nascar, I'm going to murder them. Like, did you get to that at some point?

Well, at the end of my career I was just like, how am I going to show up for these five to seven minute interviews where they ask me the same questions every time and you're like, are you excited to be at this drug? Are you excited to be back at this drug? Are you excited to be back to this drug, to the point where at the end of my career, one time I said to the guy, I was like, is that the best you can do? Like, it was like a press conference to start the weekend off, and I'm very excited to be back at Kansas More Speedway. I'm like, is that really the best you could do? Then he came up with a better one.

He did.

I'm such a dick. Because it's so hard to ask questions. Like, you asking me questions is way more, much more challenging than me sitting over here with all the answers to. Or if I don't have it, I say, I don't know.

Yeah, well, yeah, it is true. And it's hard to ask questions that, one are interesting to you, but two are interesting to the audience. Of course, there's, like, two things going on. Sure, sure.

When I was, like. When I was talking to you and interviewing you, I'm thinking, like, should I have been asking questions about, like, more general things? Should I not talked about being a CEO that much? Right. Like, you want to attract to a larger audience, but you don't know if you're always landing and resonating, resonating with people.

So, yeah, I just find you got to follow your curiosity, and usually if you go to the things that you're really curious on, you're way more interested.

Yeah. And we probably all have generally, like, similar stuff that we're curious about, and.

That'S where you can get the weird out. Otherwise, you know, you've all been on the. You've been on those interviews where the first thing they ask you is like, danica, can you tell us a little bit about your story? And you're like, I'd rather die. I mean, that's at least how I feel.

No, how did you start out? How did you get into racing?

Oh, just die. Yeah, 100% same thing.

But recorder. Yeah, exactly.

That would be a. Then you'd get a lot of videos on the Internet about you. They'd be like, danica's at it again. I want to talk a little bit about opinion sharing, and I'm obsessing with this lately because I do think we're in a world increasingly where we need people to be able to communicate with one another and have a dialogue that is reasonable, even if we disagree on a few things. And we are losing that in this country, it feels like. And maybe around the world, if we don't agree with somebody on every single point, then they're bad, we're good. And you seem to have gotten really comfortable sharing your truth. What advice do you have for somebody who doesn't know how to do that with any grace?

To share their truth.

Yeah. And share their opinions and maybe even do it in a way that's. I think a lot of people these days are comfortable sharing their opinions, but it's like shouting at people as opposed to opening up a dialogue whose first.

Question is, what are you trying to accomplish? You know, do you have a goal? Or you're just shouting. You're gonna complain about something. You know, if you're gonna complain about, you know, how your chicken came but you're eating it anyway, you just complain to complain. But if you actually want a new order or something different, like, go for it. So if you have a motivation, if you have a goal for the complaint, then, you know, it usually roots you in something somewhat more grounded instead of just, like, spitting off about whatever's, like, crossing your mind that day. And we have so many more platforms to speak your mind anywhere and everywhere. But I. I think that more than anything, it's that we're having such a hard time. We're having such a hard time listening to someone that doesn't have the same opinion. That's where you grow. Right. That's where the open mind is. Like, okay, I don't agree with this, but I'm curious. Like, why do you think that? And then. Oh, and then. And then maybe you just at least understand because of something in their past or something they've experienced as giving them this sort of perspective. Or maybe you're like, wow, that's actually a really logical reason why maybe you're right about that to some degree. I think it's more about being able to have, like, really calm dialogues and a level of curiosity instead of just trying to prove yourself right.

Yeah, right.

Instead of just trying to prove you're right, try and figure out what is right.

Yeah. Do you want to be. Do you want to win or do you want to be right? And I feel like a lot of times people get lost there. You have had a few people on the podcast that are talking about some crazy shit that I was going through, good, bad, or otherwise. I don't know, because they're not my area, but, like. Like time travel or Reptilians. I listened to this one. I didn't know this was a thing. What do you do when. When people come on the podcast and you're like, whoa, I know nothing about that, and maybe I don't agree at all.

You mean money?

Yeah.

Business.

Oh, yeah, that's true.

No, it's not that I know nothing about it. Numbers are my skills. Numbers are challenged. I have a lot of disagree with. What do I really disagree with?

No, like, when you have somebody come on your podcast and they're talking about lizard people and you're not sure you agree with that, what do you do? What do you do with that?

Like, how do you know this?

Yeah.

Who told you this? How did you figure this out? Yeah, like, you're trying to understand the source, right? That's like, usually what you're trying to do when you're. When someone has something to say that's kind of crazy or. Yeah, you try and, like, dig deeper into the fact checking of how they got their information. Yeah, yeah.

What's your favorite podcast that you've had that you're like, whoa, this is. This is wild?

Oh, I mean, I've had quite a few of those crazy, wild podcasts where we talk about aliens and lizard people and about Pleiadians and being here on people, being in Earth, inner Earth people, even, like, going in a little bit more potential directions, you know, planet cataclysms that happened and how the Earth was formed and where it came from and. Yeah, various different things. So I love the nature of reality. So I also love to get physicists on archeologists, people that are like, you know, digging literally, metaphorically into where we came from, because, you know, my dad gives me shit and he's like, why are you trying to. Why are you asking questions you're not going to get the answer to? I'm like, you're never going to get the answer if you don't ask. Right. So you got to start continuing to, like, like, grow this thought bubble. I think that as Neil DeGrasse Tyson, when I interviewed him the first time, I think he said, you know, all the information is this known circle. And as soon as you. As soon as you ask another question and get an answer outside of that circle, like, the in the bubble becomes infinitely bigger. Like, proportionately bigger. Right. And so it's just like the potential questions and possibilities continue to grow and grow, so you have to ask the question. But also, you know, if we start to figure things out, then. Or at least have a feeling about how it works. This is a game. Life is a game. Even if it's not a game, and if we're real and, like, we're not the. We're not a simulation, it's still a game. There's still a way to play it. And I want to Know how to play it so that I can make the most of it, so that I can be the happiest, be the most successful, have the most experiences, find the most amount of joy, honestly, even learn the most amount. Amount of lessons. Like when I say the things that I'm grateful for, one of them is the lessons. Because that's where I am. That's why I got to work. That's what's put me here now. So. So, you know, learn how to play the game so I can do a good job.

I love that.

Have a great life.

Have you ever read Shadow of the Wind?

No.

Do you like reading, like fiction novels? You only reading at all?

I read a little, but I don't like reading.

So the way it's wired, I get.

Tired is I watch you want. Love the YouTube.

And then you talk to people about it.

Exactly.

Verbal.

Yeah. And then the way I can. The way I etch it and remember it.

Yeah.

Is I write it. So if I want to really remember it, then I can write it down and make notes and then I like really remember it.

That's great. I think it's really important for people to learn all the different ways that other people can learn. There's so many stereotypes now about how you have to start your day, how you have to communicate, how you have to run a business.

Ryan Johnson, who I just interviewed the other day, I love Brian. Billions of dollars on his health, you know?

Yeah.

It's like his regiment is like, oh, it's wild, dude.

I went into his house when I met him last and did you do.

One of his dinners?

No, I just interviewed him. Okay. And I walked into his house and I was like, oh, good, my socks are matching today. And he looked at me and he's like, why would your socks not be matching? I'm like, have you never not had matching socks? And he's like, why would I ever have matching socks? And I was just like, this is a crazy conversation. I was like, you are exactly who I thought you'd be, quite honestly. Yeah. And it makes so much sense. Sense. But I thought he was. He gets a lot of crazy on the Internet. I thought he was lovely and present.

Same thing. Very.

And his life was kind of lovely. I'm like, yeah, man, you get a world of hurt.

Oh, he has like a little bit of sort of like a techy nerdiness to him.

Of course.

Cuz that's the word world he came from. So there's like a little bit of that. But he's super like, I'M not going to say super normal cuz what he does, but he's very easy to talk to. Very, very easy to talk to. Very relatable and like you said, very present. Yes. Questions. And so yeah, I'm gonna be lovely too.

You had a video where I saw the most valuable lesson you've ever learned in your life that you talked to your dad about. Do you remember what that was?

Probably the one about. I feel like that's the one that I. The Tom Bilyeu clip is the one that plays a lot, which is I think about looking forward. It's like if you turn around and that's the way you go. So my dad would tell me when I was young and he'd be like, I don't want to see you turning around because in a go kart you could like get up and you could turn around and you could look at where the other go karts were to see what your gap was. And he would tell me not to ever do that because that's the direction you're going. Then if you're thinking about what's behind you, that's where you're going. And so I thought about that all the way through my career, even into, you know, all the way through nascar where I'd be like, if I'd be looking in my mirror a lot and then I'd commit myself to not looking in my mirror and just focusing on being as perfect as possible. And I'd say like, like for three laps I'm just gonna focus and inevitably look back. And they're 10 Carlicks back then. Like so it's just a good metaphor for life to. It's a, it's kind of like boils down to having goals. Like you've got to have some goals, right? Because that's like the thing out there. If you don't have a goal where the. How do you even know where you're going? Like what to do next?

Yeah. You know, what other advice have you gotten from your dad that's left a mark on you?

The first one that comes to mind wasn't from my dad. I'm sure my dad taught me many other things, but it was my, my first, like real boss, Bobby Rahal. And I was young and he said that he wanted to create a financial situation for himself that allowed him to have the same kind of lifestyle after racing as he did during. I guess that would be assuming that he spends his money while he's racing and then when he's done, if he has none Left, you know, save. So he told me to save. But he all. But, but he said don't spend all your money. But he started other businesses, so he like got really into car dealerships and different things. So. So I always thought about that, about a general infrastructure for my life, not just like a racing situation that would extend beyond my career and be something that I could lean into for other forms of revenue.

I don't know if this is public, but what was the most you ever got paid for a sponsorship? Did you ever get a big giant check?

So the sponsors usually went through the team. So I mean, those were 30 million and things like that.

Like how many people on a team?

They varied. I mean, an IndyCar, I don't. I really don't know the exact numbers. I'm gonna guess it's probably somewhere around because there's people at the shop that work and then there's people that travel. There's pick. In nascar, there's a separate pit crew that comes and does the tire changes. But in IndyCar, I don't know, maybe they call it like 20 people per car, maybe. And then in NASCAR, maybe it's 30, maybe more. Because there's just a lot more turnover with cars and working on things. So. But teams are. Yeah, the teams are big, you know, and then they have to have marketing people and PR people.

And so you get a cut after all the expenses run through.

Now I negotiate my deal with the team. Say I go to the team. Yeah. And it's like they have to make an offer of what they're willing to pay me. Right. And it's like, oh, we're going to pay you $10. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. And then they come back and they have to do it again. And you just like, it's a, It's. You just get.

Yeah.

Get your. Get your salary.

So you get a set dollar amount.

I get a set.

And then you get a percentage of the total earnings and then there'll be.

Like a percentage of prize money. Yeah.

Okay. Did all sponsorships you ever got had to go through that? So it was like a little socialism for.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you.

And so if you're in the ad in the bikini looking hot, the team takes a portion of that.

Well, I mean, that's the ads happening because the sponsors advertising with me, they're on the car. But it's not like they.

So it's not just.

They stopped. It seemed the sponsor still has to spend money to run the ad. Right. So there's the money for the sponsorship budget for the team and then they have to have a marketing budget.

What about like that godaddy stage you got you were in?

Yeah, so the only time I got the money directly to me was when I did my last two races in 2018 when I did Daytona 500 and the Indy 500. Yeah, I negotiated the deal with the team, I had the money and I negotiated with the team.

Good for you.

And I guess all along that's probably how I should have done it, right? Yeah, it's hard because I ended up suing my IndyCar team in the end because I was in a profit sharing arrangement with them and they weren't providing the information and the contracts and the numbers. And so, you know, I just trusted that they were going to. And in the end I brought in tremendous amount of money that kept a lot of cars afloat and they didn't pay me the way that they should have.

Yeah, well, you're not alone. That happened to me in my first couple jobs. I think, you know, if I learn one thing, it's that trust but verify and contract and like always have the ink signed. And the problem is when you're young, you don't know what a good contract or a bad one looks like. Like there's so much knowledge that you have to learn. I mean none of us went to law school, so that's totally normal. But that's fascinating.

Right? And that's why, you know, when I talked to you at first and I said like, I have businesses but I own all of them. It's because I was, you know, so gun shy from doing this deal and getting bit that, that I just, it just was so much easier to not have to answer to anyone or anyone answer to me. Like it was just.

Yeah.

And that way if I took the risk, it was my, my ass if it didn't work. But it was also my benefit.

So would you go, do you have an agent now that you work with?

I do have an agent.

Okay.

I went back and forth. I had an agent my whole career and then I didn't have an agent. Then I kind of got an agency and rid of that agency, then ended up back at the same agency that I had for a long time.

Isn't it weird how people in Hollywood that are agents all have an accent? Have you ever noticed that they have like a Hollywood speak?

Maybe it's like a cadence.

Yeah, they have a cadence.

That's exactly what it's a forward cadence or a delivery. It might have to be but there's like a. Right. It's almost like a. So if the teleprompter came on and I was reading, I'd be like. And so here we are tonight. Cody Sanchez. It's great to meet you. There's a cadence to the way that I'm talking to you right now because it keeps the listener entertained. So, like, there's probably, like, a Hollywood cadence.

That's right. That was a really good. I guess that is your job. But, yeah, I literally. I got on the phone with the one the other day, and I was like, why do you guys all kind of talk the same way? It also. It's like a yoga instructor. You know, you go to the yoga studio and they're like. And then we are going here and what we are doing next. And if you talk to Sally, I bet she doesn't talk like that at all. But, yeah, I do find Hollywood to be a fascinating place. So I'm sure you have many stories. Maybe that's where the reptiles actually came from for the podcast. You ever met one?

A reptile? Yeah, I think I met some aliens. I don't know if they were reptiles, really. Yeah. Like, you know, just meet someone. That's weird.

Yeah.

And, like. And, like, just very oddball. Or I think Brian Johnson might be in it. Oh, yeah.

I wouldn't.

If.

If he or Elon was an alien, I'd be like, yeah, Elon's probably.

Yeah. I mean, these people that are just, like, so unique and different.

Balaji. Have you met him? Who? Balaji. Srivastan. Brilliant. Coinbase cto. Different kind of alien. I'll ask him.

But, yeah, I mean, there. And. Or. Or just people that, like, can look right through you.

Yeah.

You know, and you're like, whoa, Yeah.

I did do, like, a tiny bit of plant medicine a few times. Oh, yeah, Yeah, I know. And I did psilocybin and MDMA together. Huh. And then DMT all together, like, over a few days.

Okay.

With, like.

You just smoked. You just vaped it. Smoked it.

Right, right. Huh. And then something where they. They blow this, like, ash up your nose. Yeah. What's that?

Rafa?

Okay. Yeah, that one. I did not like that one.

Yeah. I saw that being done to someone one time, and it was before I did ayahuasca. And they're like, well, you can do it at Ayahuasca too. They were like, if you want to heighten.

Not.

They don't deliver like that. Like, if you. If this feels like, like in. In service or in honor to. Where you're at. And if you wanted. That's exactly if this is in alignment for you. And I was like, thanks, because I watched it and it was like.

It was like, yeah, you took it.

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Spent folding and sorting and waiting to finally pursue a whole new version of you. Like tea time, you. Mmm. Or this tea time you. Or even this tea time. You said you hear about Dave. Or even tea time. Tea time, tea time you. So update on Dave. It's up to you. We'll take the laundry, rinse. It's time to be great. Why would you do that to me? Yeah. Then you're like, it's not cute. One of my girlfriends is like, I loved that. Now I do it every morning in the sauna. I was like, you also are a reptile because that's normal every morning in the sauna. Like a psychopath. But what I did notice is some of these, some of the people who I think have done a ton of plant medicines to us. Like, I have one guy who I love, Matthew Shout out. But he. You look into his eyes, you're like, I don't know, like, they're dark. I don't know what's happening in there.

Well, dude, I've done two real ceremonies, okay. Two years ago and four years ago.

But I didn't do ayahuasca. Yours is probably more intense.

Two years ago I did a big psilocybin.

Yeah.

Five grams. Big journey.

Yeah.

There's an intentional journey. It was just me. Yeah. And then with the facilitator. Yeah. And then two years before that, I did ayahuasca. And that's it. And I've been. I've been integrating that shit for years. Like, I can't even imagine how confused I'd be about what worked if and what information I got if I was doing it like monthly, you know, or weekly, you know. I mean, I've recreationally done psilocybin and things, but like, not enough to like, like blast off into the universe in a big, big way. Sometimes you get a little insight. You're like, whoa, I think I see geometry in the air. You're like, you know, so you can see some cool stuff. But I've never met the aliens. I haven't met the aliens. I usually just see myself for people or scenarios.

Yeah.

But I think that it's, you know, and it's actually becoming a much more popular thing within, like, big tech and like, very smart people and.

Dude, Austin, nobody drinks. Everybody's like, would you like a micro. I went to a party.

Yeah.

They were all sitting around a table. They had like a. They had a tray of options. I was like, it's five o' clock on Sunday. I'm fine. You know, I gotta be put.

You're strapping into the next four hours.

Exactly.

Because you gotta wait for it to kick in.

Yeah.

They have an hour and then last for about three hours and let you come down for a half an hour.

So, no, I'm out.

It's a whole night.

Yeah.

And then you also don't eat.

Yeah, yeah.

Which is fine in a way. But then also you're kind of like, no, that's not healthy.

And.

And if you ate right before, it's like, well, then it's to work as well. It's like you got to like carve out like half of a day.

You do. And I think you have to have some respect to it too.

Well, I mean, there's definitely some perspective that you're really. I'm, you know, opening up the. A different realm. And so I think that, you know, it's a little less risky on a sort of recreational, smaller dose sort of scale. But I think that when you're doing the really big thing, big doses, I think that you really open yourself up to. And energy, different energy, spirit energy. And. And without proper guidance or protection in those spaces. Yeah. I think can be a little bit dangerous.

I think that's very true. Yeah. I one got once, one of my. My times I got trapped in a PowerPoint, which tells you how fun I am at parties. I was like, yeah, how terrible is that?

You know, everybody else is like, Simon, Soul Simon. Like, you go like. You're like, okay, it's 2:15. And then you go. And then you look down, you think. You think it's probably gotta be 3 o' clock. And it's like 2:24. And you're like.

I'm never leaving.

Gonna last forever.

I Just had such a pleasure having you here. Thanks for being on the podcast.

This is really fun. Thank you so much. And thank you for helping educate me, too.

Oh, yeah. Well, tell me, so of all the things that you're doing right now, where should people go to support Danika or to learn more?

I mean, you can learn about my personality through my podcasts and the people that I.

It's a great podcast.

Thanks. It covers a lot of bases, for sure. And they're all very selfish interests of curiosities that I have. I make wine, so people like to drink wine. I make two different wines. Somnium is an Apple Valley wine. Diana is made in Provence, France. I also have a little candle company I started after a trip from Egypt with, you know, essential oils that are meaningful for their locations. And what's that called? Voyan.

And what's the best website?

Well, on my social, I do all my own Instagram stuff, but we have other platforms.

Okay.

I think so go do them. But they're there.

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