“Breaking Free: Logan Hufford’s Journey of Recovery from Sexual Addiction on The CJ Moneyway Show”

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What's up, my good people? Welcome to the CJ Moneyway Show, the podcast that brings you stories behind the success Today we have on the show, all the way from Alaska, one who says that he's no longer in bondage. What's up, Logan, man? How you doing today?

CJ, I'm doing well. I'm blessed to be here. Thank you.

Oh man, thank you for taking the time out today, man, coming, coming on the show, man. So, uh, so Logan, man, tell us a little bit about yourself, man, and a little bit about your background.

Yeah, I'll keep it short and sweet telling you about myself, and, and I'll give you the reason why. So I'll be 34 here in a couple of days. Married, been married for 13 years. We've got 4 awesome little monkeys, the 4 little dudes, ages 12 down to 8. We got not a quiet house, but it's a house with a lot of love, a lot of fun. Up here in Alaska, born and raised. But, as always, quickly pivot, like none of that stuff really matters. Outside of first and foremost salvation through Christ and recovery that God has given me ever since 2016. Because the first 25 years of my life, I was a completely opposite person. I was a raging sex addict. I was somebody who was completely trapped in destructive cycles. And by the time I was 24 or 25 years old, I did not think that there was a life ahead of me that included anything like looking at my boys in the eye and being the type of dad who could lead them, being able to have a friendship with my wife that was open and honest and transparent. Never thought that I could be here telling my story using words in the past tense.

Mm-hmm.

So I'm just extremely grateful for the journey that God has given me. Over these last 8+ years of recovery.

So you brought up 2016. So tell us what began to happen in your life in 2016.

For the first time, I'm not being overly dramatic, for the first time in my life, I had hope. March of 2016, my story ran. I'll go back just real quickly here. So starting as a little kid, sexually objectifying pictures of women, then moving to hardcore videos, then moving to me trying to act these things out with, you know, real life people. By the time I was married, June 4th, 2011, I'd already had multiple sexual affairs, cheated on my wife, or at that point fiancée, multiple times. That only continued over the next 5 years, multiple more affairs, eventually was hiring prostitutes. Porn was throughout, flirting with women and seeking what I could, you know, attention-wise and all that, feed my ego. That was throughout. And I got an ultimatum in 2015. You need to get some serious help or else you're going to lose me. That came from my wife. You know, you're going to lose me, you're going to lose the kids. And I believed her. So I started to do things differently. I went to some meetings. I put myself out there to, you know, to some resources. But it wasn't until 2016, March of 2016, that I truly had hope through a man named Rick. He brought me to a group called Prodigals. And at this group called Prodigals, there were multiple men who had similar stories to myself. So it's a Christ-based recovery program, and it's specifically for men struggling with sexual addiction. I knew there was resources out there for, you know, alcoholics and for drug addicts and for grief and for various things. I truly didn't realize that there were groups specifically for sexual addiction. That had any sort of long-term traction, long-term healing. I'd never seen that before. And so when I met these guys and I saw that there were other guys that had done things like me, and yet their lives had been transformed, and in most cases their marriages had been restored because there were resources for women to heal from sexual betrayal trauma, that like— that blew my mind. So I I got sober from sexual addiction, and sober is no pornography, masturbation, and then sexual activity with anyone besides my wife, obviously. May 19th, 2016, I got into a 2-year voluntary house arrest program. And it wasn't like a light switch flipped and then instantly I'm just a healthy person. No, I mean, it took time and it was nonlinear, but there was a lot of progressive victory that started. In 2016 and then has been continuing ever since, including— just as a— not as a side note, but obviously I don't want to like try to tell somebody else's story— my wife jumped into recovery in July from the sexual betrayal trauma. She jumped into her own healing journey in July of 2016, which is an incredible blessing. So she's been working through that and healing from the abuse that I put her through and all this stuff. For the last 8+ years. And she now leads a group for women that are dealing with sexual betrayal trauma. And I lead a group for men that are struggling with sexual addiction.

So, so you mentioned your wife going into recovery at the same time in 2016 as well. So what were some of the issues that you faced early on in your marriage that, you know, not only had you going to therapy, but also your wife?

Well, in terms of— we say early on in marriage, like before recovery, like that, like literally the first year.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I don't want to like look at things with, you know, just through one lens of like bad versus good, but there's a temptation to be like, man, honestly, there were so few issues other than what I was bringing to the table. Like, my wife's not perfect, nobody's perfect, but she has always been a loving, faithful woman who is doing everything she could to, you know, love on other people around her, myself, our boys. There were not big external factors that like, oh, I was trying to escape from this, or I was trying to, you know, run from this other thing. It's like, no, I had trained myself to chase after new and different from an early age with pornography, and it only, you know, progressed with affairs. For the number one issue that sticks out to me is my infrastructure. I had a just a very unhealthy infrastructure in terms of my routines, the people I was surrounding myself with, my work life. You know, entertainment, all of that. And the crazy thing is I actually grew up with a very healthy infrastructure. I grew up in a stable home. I was loved. I was safe. I was cared for. You know, both parents raised me in church every Sunday. It wasn't just a cultural thing. Like, we— I mean, my parents did a great job of living out what they were teaching us in a lot of ways. And yet, man, when I was 19 years old, I just wanted to go chase after everything that I couldn't do or didn't do growing up. And I did a lot of that. And I thought that I could just turn that switch off once I was married and calm down and be a good boy, be a good husband. And I'll just turn off all these habits and routines that I've spent years building. And there was no switch that I could just flip off.

Yeah. When I was reading your bio and listening to you now too, I can relate. I didn't do it when I was married, but in my early parts, in my early years, man, because I got multiple kids and that's just the way I lived. Just chasing after women. I wanted, you know, I go into a job or somewhere, I'm like, "I want you, I want you, I want you, I want you." And I went after every last one of them I can get, you know what I'm saying? And I didn't like to be alone. I always wanted to be with somebody. My 20s and everything, I always had 2 girlfriends that I kept them in twos and threes, you know what I'm saying? Although it's not similar, but it's similar to the point that I understand what you're talking about. Just that, you know, that desire is the desire that you have, you know, the temptation. And so, you know, you get tempted. And so, you know, because that's our appetite. And so that's what you— that's what you go after, that's what you want. And that's what the enemy presents to us because, you know, because that's our appetite. And so he gonna keep throwing these things in your face, and because that's what I want. And so I understand, man, because that's what I did. Like I said, I got multiple kids. I got one by my wife. I've been married 15 years now, so, you know, me and my wife have one, but I had multiple kids before I married my wife. So I get it, man. I get it, I get it, I get it. So let's switch a little bit, Logan. So as Paul turned Saul said, you used the phrase that you were the chief of sinners. Can you explain what you meant by that? Yeah.

So I mentioned growing up, we were going to church every Sunday and we were taught a lot of the right things. I had a lot of good worldview perspective ingrained in me from an early age. There's never been a time in my life where I didn't believe that the Bible was real, that I didn't believe that God was real. And yet I didn't own a lot of those things in terms of on a practical level, I was not living it out. And the thing is, I knew my Bible and I knew it's like, well, you know, Bible says like, you know, 1 John, like if I'm not living by the light, then what does that say about me? And so like, so I so quickly got to this point by the time I was married and continually looking at porn, continually having sexual affairs with women and then just all this whole double life and just lying and lying and lying and abusing my wife emotionally and verbally and all these things.. And quickly, you know, as a dad too, we had our first boy 11 months after we got married. So very quickly I got to this point where I'm like, okay, I don't know how to stop doing this. There's part of me that doesn't want to stop. Like, there's a big part of me that wanted to stop, but there's also part of me that wanted to keep chasing it. And I remember just laying in bed going, God, why did you create me? Why did you put me on this, on this earth when all I do is hurt people? All I do is hurt my wife. All I do is hurt my boys, you know, by, by not being the type of dad that they need. So it was like I had this very heightened awareness of what I should be, of what my role should be as a husband and as a dad. But I also, I knew what I was doing, you know. I, I mean, I knew what I was doing the night before, the day before, who I was texting and, and what I was doing and who I was with and all these different things. And so I would never have told you out loud I'm too broken or I've sinned too much for God to save me. I would never have told you that, but that's kind of what I believed deep down. I mean, the only hope that I felt like I had, again, for me, I always related back to the Bible because, I mean, ultimately I had that deeply ingrained. It was like, okay, maybe I can be the thief on the cross where I guess I'll just continue living this life of sin because I don't know how to stop it, but maybe on my deathbed,, you know, I can pray one last time. And, you know, God, I'm so sorry, please forgive me. Which is like reality. I mean, would that even be, you know, a true prayer, or would that just be me, you know, take advantage of— take advantage of the situation just like I always did? You know, most of my life I was taking advantage of the situation, trying to work the room, trying to get what I could get. That's how hopeless I was. And so, yeah, I mean, to say I was the chief of all sinners, I mean, it's like God gave me this beautiful wife, these beautiful boys, I was so blessed in so many ways with the infrastructure that I was born into. And yet I actively did everything I could to spit in the face of all that for years.

Yeah, that was one thing that I forgot to mention too. Like you say, I grew up in a household with my mother and father, grew up in the church. My mother took me to church. So as you know, as the word say, train up a child in the way that they should go, when they get older, they won't depart from it. And so I had the foundation, you know, just like yourself. So I had the foundation, family structure. But when I got to a certain point, man, I just, you know, and a lot of times as we look back now and we know that God is in control of all things, as we look back now, that it was anointing that may have been upon your life that the enemy didn't want you to get to, you know. And so we struggle with certain things, and so we, you know, we try to run away from the calling that God is calling us to.— as you say, the chief sinner. So we going out there doing everything else that we can, because just like Paul, he crucified Christians. But from the day that Paul was born, there was always something that was in him that he was going to be who he was going to be. It was just going to be at the time that God called him, or Jesus called him, when he was walking on the road to Damascus. And so it was just a point in time that Logan was going to be delivered from what he was in. It was a time that Corwin was going to be delivered from what he was in. Although at that time, like you say, I was— I seemed hopeless and I didn't think, you know, because we don't know why we doing it. But now that being in the spirit and learning the word of God and implemented in our lives, now we know that all things work together for the good. So, you know, so some things we have to go through in order for him to grab our attention, you know what I'm saying? You know, so then again, sometimes we don't know if we didn't go through some of the things that we went through, would we be at where we are today? So, so that's how I look at it, man. So yeah, so let me ask you a question, man. So can an addict really change?

Absolutely. And that is one of the incredible things that I'm thankful for with recovery is, and for me, it boils down to extreme ownership. Is because I am the one who made these choices to get myself in this place, I also can work on those unhealthy things. I can work on those habits and routines. Now, to try to do it by myself, to try to do it without outside help, to try to do it without submitting to a different way of life, whether that's, you know, a 2-year voluntary house arrest, therapy, you know, I mean, it could look like different things, but it's this dichotomy of I can't necessarily just— I can't just hit an off button and decide I'm just going to live differently completely. When it's this level, when it's this level of addiction, maybe there's a 0.01% chance that I can just decide never again. And yet, even then, what that would be would be sobriety. That wouldn't be true healing. I am so thankful that I can change how I interact with life. I can change how I respond to stressors and triggers. I mean, this has been 8+ years and I still get tempted. And I'm not saying that I'm perfect, that I don't ever do anything wrong, but a giant difference that I know now is even— let's not respond to a temptation in an inappropriate way initially. So let's say there's a lady walking in front of me at the grocery store, and now I want to be really careful. The enemy is not other people. The enemy is Satan, sin, you know, lust. That's the enemy.

Yeah.

In my old life, I would want to sexually objectify pretty much every woman, every woman I could. So lady walks in front of me at the grocery store, and I noticed that she has a low-cut shirt, and I noticed that and I don't bounce away for a second. Well, in that moment, I didn't choose the healthiest option, which would be like, you know what, that doesn't need to be in front. I don't need to be looking at that. So let me bounce away. The healthiest thing would be to immediately bounce away and just like, I don't need to look at that. But even if I look for a second before bouncing away, in my old life, that would quickly turn into this landslide, this mudslide of like, well, I did that. I might as well keep looking. I might as well start thinking about it. I might as well see if I can talk to her. I might as well, might as well, might as well, you know, see where that's going. Right. And it literally, in my addiction, it felt like it was just this automatic mudslide. Like I'm sliding down this hill and I can't stop it. In recovery, even if I make that unhealthy choice in that moment, I know that that's not the end of it. I can put a stop to it. There's an off-ramp off the freeway. You know, it's not a mudslide. It's a walk. So at any point, I can choose to stop walking down that path. In my addiction, it didn't feel like that. It felt like I was sliding down a hill. In recovery, God has helped me to see, no, at every single step of the way, I can stop. At every single step of the way, I can choose the healthy path. Don't miss out on CJ Moneyway's book, 'Both Eyes Open' and 'Both Eyes Shut.' And get ready to preorder his upcoming release, 'The Issues of Life,' coming soon. Moneyway, aiming to inspire.

And as I'm listening to you say that, I know as I was coming up, that one of the things that I tell young men, and when I tell my story similar to what you're saying, is that you're right. The temptation don't always be there. We're tempted daily, you know what I'm saying? That's why the Bible say that we keep the flesh down daily because it can always rise back up. But temptation is going to always be around us. And so, but as we grow and mature, not only in life but in the word of God, those same temptations that used to tempt me, that I— like you say, that, you know, if I'm looking at a woman and she got on a short shirt or whatever, or some Daisy Dukes, that I was going after it. But those same things that you try to present to me now because now, now I'm not— my desire, that's not my desire, you know what I'm saying? Like, I've risen above that now. I put that to— I can look and just keep going, but I know exactly what you mean. It's like when I used to look, I used to have to— I used to want to go for it. I see a beautiful woman, uh-huh, if you have some of the attributes that I like, hey, I gotta shoot my shot. But when we get older and mature in the word of God, man, You know, all them things that the enemy, he throw at us that he used to, it's like, man, you know, I'm deflecting that now because I'm pretty sure as you are now, I got a happy home. My house is peaceful. And one thing that I tell people, especially on my job, Logan, is this, because, you know, we have women that work on our jobs and this and that. And I say, man, there's no woman out there that's worth me not being in the household with my kid, with my son, you know what I'm saying? So that means that If I was to choose to go be with a woman right now, although I love my wife, but I wouldn't want to jeopardize what I got going on in my household for a shot out there, man. It's not worth it. But back in the day, in my heyday, I didn't think about it. I didn't put the kids first, you know what I'm saying? I put myself first. And so in that way, I was selfish, you know. And that way, one thing that I was listening to you say too in the earlier part, and I think that this is very vital is that to take accountability for your own actions instead of blaming everybody else and blaming this person for this and this person for that. We have to take accountability. Something that if you even go back to the beginning of Genesis in chapter 3, Adam didn't take accountability for his own action because he blamed the woman. He said that it was the woman who gave me, but you have to take accountability for your own action, man. And so that's one thing that I believe that you have done. That's one thing that I know that I have done, and it's all, like you say, come through Christ, through Christ, through the word that's living in us, man, that we're not so quickly persuaded to things that we used to be, man. And happy birthday too, man. You said you'd be 34 in a couple days, and so happy birthday to you too. So as we're about to end this, man, so let me just ask you this, Logan. With all the things that you did, before you got married with your fiancée and beyond, how was it that your wife was able to possibly trust you again after all of this?

She was taught to trust one thing when she got into recovery. Because again, when I got into my recovery, a couple months later, she started going to recovery for sexual betrayal trauma. There was a group that she went to that she now leads a chapter of called Partners in Process. And by God's grace, my mentor's wife was her mentor. So which was just an awesome thing too. And she was taught to trust one thing: don't trust what your husband says or promises. And, and that could be taken out of context. Again, we're dealing with addiction, we're dealing with a husband who had been a liar and manipulator for years, right? So don't trust what he says, don't trust what he promises, but you can trust his behavior over an extended period of time. And that might be healthy or unhealthy, but either way, what somebody shows you over an extended period of time, that's trustable, right? And, and really, I mean, that's true of anyone. You can say something, I can decide to trust that or not, but I can definitely trust what you've shown me with your behavior over a while, right? And so that was number one. And she started to see healthy behavior, progressively healthy. Not perfect, you know, still struggled with anger, still struggled with, you know, letting stress get to me sometimes and being frustrated and talking out of frustration. That selfishness and that pride— God has done a lot of work to strip that away. But it took time, you know, it was not a quick process. But she started to see progressive victory, progressively healthy behavior over a period of time. So that was one thing. The other thing was she knew, and part of this was because her mentor was my mentor's wife, but even if that wasn't the case, like, she knew the program that I was in, she knew what it looked like, she knew I was accountable to not just one guy. And when I say accountable, I don't just mean like I would do a weekly check-in. No, the program that I was in, I had to make a phone call every single day to talk about how my day had been, whether it was sexual temptations whether it was unhealthy choices I made, stressors, just life stressors, you know, car broke down or got angry at my boss or yelled at the kids or whatever, just stuff. So I was accountable for every single day. I was doing daily homework in this recovery program. I was going to multiple meetings every single week. I was in this stuff, accountable continually. So that combination of she saw healthy changes, but she also knew that guys knew my stuff, guys were deeply involved in my decision-making. And we also had a conversation, the four of us, myself, my mentor, and then Carrie's mentor, my mentor's wife. The four of us sat down and they asked her, they're like, okay, so what do you want to know? Because this is a side thing. I'll be quick here. But part of it is accountability absolutely happens. There's no secrets in recovery. But if I'm at the bank and I'm, you know, tempted to objectify the bank teller, what I should not be doing is texting my wife like, oh, there's an attractive woman here and I'm tempted to look at her and I'm trying not to. Yeah, because I might be doing the right thing and I'm fighting the temptation, but I don't need to be hitting my wife with that upside the head. Hey, I want to look at this pretty lady. Yeah, but I need to tell that to my mentor. I need to tell that to Recovery Brothers. I need to tell that to Brothers in the Trenches. But they, but they did ask Carrie, like, well, what stuff do you want to know? So Carrie pretty much laid it out, like, I, you know, if he goes back to pornography, if he has another affair, I want to know those two things. I don't want to know every single time he's triggered. I want to— I don't know every single time he's tempted. Um, so she had a very healthy, you know, perspective on— she knew if I crossed certain lines, she was gonna know about it. But also she knew that there were guys in the trenches with me that were hearing the daily stuff And then she was watching me in terms of as a dad, as a husband, get progressively healthier with how I interacted with life and people around me.

Yeah, I mean, it sounds about right. Like you say, the most important thing is trust. And not only— not like you say, trust in what you say, but they begin seeing the change in you. You know, like before I got married, I knew my wife for 18 years. But we didn't get married until— I met my wife in 1992. We didn't get married until 2009. So that was a long time before— I mean, in between that. And so she knew what type of guy I was. She knew everything that I had done and this and that. And so then when we did finally decide to get married, and so you still had these thoughts, like, you know, you used to do this, you used to do that, love the women and blah-de-blah-de-skippy. Once they start seeing the change in you, you start moving differently, you know, you start talking differently. And just— and so that's how you build that trust. That's what intimacy is. Intimacy is based all around trust. A lot of people think that it's just sexual and this and that and that, you know, we can have sex and everything would be okay. Yeah, you can have sex and everything would be okay, but after you get up and you leave out the house, Do they trust you? Do they trust that you going to be this civilized person when you get out there in the streets, or are you going to be that same guy that you always been? Intimacy does not bring trust, and it doesn't necessarily bring love. It's what you bring to the table and what they start dissecting in you so that they can be more secure. When they start seeing the change, And once a woman starts seeing a change in you, it definitely makes a happier household. Yeah, definitely. And so I just got one more question for you, Logan, man, before we get out of here. So tell us about the recovery group that you lead now.

Yeah, so locally I lead a Prodigals chapter out in the Valley. My mentor actually started it. So, you know, when I said I first had hope in 2016, there was one Prodigals group in Alaska. And it was in Anchorage, Alaska, and that's still going. There's actually a couple prodigals groups in Anchorage. And then where I live, which is an hour north in the valley, my mentor started that group shortly after I met him because he recognized, okay, there's a guy here that needs it. And then there's a couple other guys as well that approached him. And so we started that group. And when he moved away to Washington a couple years back, 3 years back, I took over. And so now I lead now the prodigals group in the valley. It's a 12-step recovery program. The group itself is a weekly group. It's open to any guy. And then there's a mentorship program that is an elective program that a guy can get into if he's willing to submit to a lot of change. And then I've just been doing— coming on here is I'm trying to reach folks on a broader scale, right? It's just whatever I can do to share that light of, you know, yes, this is a huge problem. And sexual addiction. We need to be talking about it, but also recovery is available, healing is available. You know, Instagram, I've been pouring myself into there to just to try to put content out there because there's— we're doing a little bit better job talking about it now compared to 15, 20 years ago, but this— the problem is so great and the resources are still so slim compared to the problem that it is.

So have you thought about doing an online program course with this?

The short answer is yes, I've thought about it. I have mixed thoughts. I got mixed feelings, but I've thought about it.

You know, I listen to what you're saying, and like you say, the resources are slim, and this is a major issue because, you know, as a man, and we are men, we having a man-to-man talk, a lot of times we don't want to talk about certain things, right? Certain things that we don't want to admit to in our lives because maybe it's pride, maybe it's ego. Or maybe we don't want our wives to know, you know, about the extra stuff that we doing. It's just certain thing. Maybe I don't want my mother or father to know about the things that— 'cause I'm ashamed, you know? And so we need, like, you know, the groups that you leading, men need more men to lean on to talk about some of the struggles that we're facing in life. And so because we don't have a lot of men that's willing to do what you're doing, That's why a lot of things are faltering and a lot of men are out of place right now, because we're not being honest with ourselves and we don't have nobody to hold us accountable for what we're doing. And so, man, I hope that you would consider and think about it hard, man, to do a course about this, because this could be something that could be worldwide, man, because there's a lot of brothers out there that's probably going through what you have to give, man. So I hope you think about that. So Logan, man, just tell us anything, anything else you got on the horizon coming up that we can look forward to? And what's the one main thing that you would— main advice that you would give somebody that has been through what you've been through?

Yeah, so real quick, in terms of, you know, just what I have going on, I would just direct people again, check it out on Instagram. I mean, if you're audio only, of course, you can't see You know what, underneath my name here says no longer in bondage. And I, as we talked about from the very beginning, that those are precious words to me because for so long I was in bondage to sexual addiction. So no longer in bondage is huge to be able to say that. And that's my handle on Instagram, no period longer period in period bondage. Of course, my name Logan Hufford. If you actually search for no longer in bondage, even without the periods, you'll find me.

Okay.

Um, but I mean, I pour content out there. If you want to better understand sexual addiction, honestly, if you just want to understand addiction better, or just how, you know, practical, what it looks like to work on destructive habits, most of what I say is going to apply even if you don't specifically struggle with porn addiction, or you don't specifically struggle with having, you know, you've had affairs, or you want to— obviously, if that's the case, even more so. But at the end of the day, If I'm trying to not be trapped in destructive cycles, a lot of this stuff applies across the board. There's specific areas where it's going to need to manifest differently with sexual addiction versus a drug addiction versus a gambling addiction, but a lot of the core principles are very similar. I'm blessed, and I say, I mean this, I'm blessed that my addiction, my problems were so obviously destructive that the stakes were as high as they were. Because if the stakes weren't as high, then maybe I never would have worked on it, right? If I didn't get that ultimatum, maybe I never would have worked on it. So, you know, on Instagram, that's the best way to get in contact with me or to learn more about this stuff. You're not going to get videos of a B-roll video of the ocean waves with a trendy Bible verse or something. I mean, it's not trying to throw shots, but it— I put a lot of practical content, getting down to the meat of it. In terms of advice, something to share is just— is twofold. If you're a man who's struggling, who has struggled with this porn, hiring prostitutes, sexual affairs, you know, whatever it looks like, however it has manifested in your life, I promise you there's nothing that you could have gotten to, there's no point that you could have crossed that's too great to heal from. Now, natural consequences are a real thing. One of my closest recovery brothers is a guy that went to prison because of where he took things in his addiction. So natural consequences are a real thing. Yeah, but healing is available. Recovery is available. And then the other piece— and I'll just be very quick on this— if you are somebody who has been hurt by this, if you are somebody who has been betrayed by, again, whether it's porn addiction, whether it's a physical affair that happened, whatever it looks like, just please know that that is a wounding. And my wife could have either chosen to ignore it and say, hey, it wasn't my fault. I didn't do it. I'm not the one who cheated on us. Why do I need to spend time? Why do I need to spend years out of my life working through healing? She could have done that and just ignored it. But she chose to say, hey, it wasn't my fault, but I was wounded. So let me jump in and embrace healing. And I mean, obviously, I'm thankful as her husband that she went through that healing.

But she—

I mean, She would tell you, you know, it's completely changed her life because she's no longer the betrayed spouse, the embittered victim. She is somebody that can tell her story of her own transformation, that this healing from this thing, this wounding over the course of years, she should not be able to hear my story today or be in a recovery group with me and even like sit there, let alone do recovery together, you know, do ministry together. So just know that no matter where you're at on this, healing is available.

Man, God is good. Hey, so I appreciate you coming on the show today, Logan, man, and giving your insights on the things that, you know, you've been through, the struggles, the recovery part of it, man, and, and just sharing this with us. I thank you, man. So you have been listening to the CJ Moneyway Johnson Show and believe that you're no longer in bondage. If you want to get more information, check my man Logan out on Instagram, No Longer in Bondage. You say you can find them there and get the information about addiction and the things that you may be going through. And sometimes some of the things that we may not want to talk about. Hey, this your boy CJ Moneyway. We out of here. Peace.

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