Bruce & Maggie Tate on Escaping Burnout and Rediscovering Joy Through the Great

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What's up, my good people? Welcome to the CJ Moneyway Show in association with Believe Entertainment, the podcast that brings you stories behind the success Today we have a special treat for our listeners. Well, it was the dynamic duo, but we have Bruce Tate, author of the number one best-selling book, Currently Away. Welcome to the show, Bruce. How you doing, man?

I'm doing great. Hey, so I'm a number one bestseller now, huh?

Hey, they say those things that's not speaking as they were, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, we speaking out of number one bestseller right now.

All right, speak it out, brother.

Hey, so, so Bruce, man, tell me a little bit about introduce yourself and about your background.

Yeah, my name is Bruce Tate and I am a programmer. I'm in Chattanooga, Tennessee, and sometimes I'm a captain, right? And we get to talk about that part of myself today.

Okay, captain of what?

So we took a long voyage on a pretty tiny boat, a 30-foot boat, around the whole eastern United States. This boat was called a Ranger Tug, and this trip was about just kind of settling down while COVID was all happening to us, right?

Mm-hmm. So Bruce, tell us, man, you co-authored the book Currently Away, a book about your incredible journey. What was the inspiration behind writing a memoir?

Yeah, so I've been a technical author for a long time. I've got 15 books to my name, and this was the first time I've written about anything other than technology.

Mm-hmm.

And what happened was my wife and I found ourselves kind of depressed.. And as we were kind of going through that, we'd never gone through anything like 2020. And I thought COVID was going to kill me and she thought it was going to kill me too. Right. So I was high risk. And she said, why don't we do something different? Why don't we make this COVID quarantine in a smaller house with a bigger back porch?

Right.

Yeah. So, so we've lived on this river for a long time on the Tennessee River. And we see all these boats going by and never kind of imagined ourselves on one. But she said, "Well, that's pretty quarantined, right?" It's like you're isolated by all this water and stuff. And we can imagine our life a different way. And so after we took this journey, a lot of people asked us about what it was like and the people that we met and what was going on at the same time. 'Cause all this stuff was happening in the world, right? Ukraine was being invaded. We had this COVID pandemic happening. And yet we're taking this long boat journey kind of to, I don't know, I don't wanna be dramatic and say to save our own lives, but to save our souls a little bit. You know what I mean?

Yeah.

So yeah, so people asked about it and, you know, I've never done this kind of a thing, written this kind of a book before. So I said, let's do that. And so we wrote about it to tell other people about the journey.

So Bruce, let me ask you, man, so before embarking on this journey, did you already have the idea to write a book, or did the inspiration come while you were on the road?

Yeah, it came much, much later. Um, we were probably about 3/4 of the way through our journey. You know, I write a lot of books, and, um, and it's not always easy, right?

Yeah.

I talk about writing a book like running a marathon. You just have to put one foot in front of another, right? And you have to do it, you know, if it's a travel memoir, it's 90,000 words. So you have to do that 90,000 times, right?

Yeah.

And it's hard. And there are people that can doubt you. There are, you know, I doubt myself. So you can't take this kind of endeavor on lightly. So I wanted to think about it before I decided to put the words to paper. —But so many people asked me about the trip and what it was like, and they enjoyed talking about it, talking to me about it. I said, well, there's a story that other people want, and there's a story that I want to tell, so I just started writing it down.

Yeah, you know, going on a journey like that and the things that you guys endured, that is something worth talking about. And I do understand what you mean at times where, you know, sometimes you You know, you might want to write something, then you second-guess yourself and you doubt yourself. And then sometimes we had this thing called writer's block. But, uh, I'm glad you went through, man, and got this book done. Like we say, this number one bestseller out there. So let me ask you, Bruce, man, what motivated both of you to take on the Great Loop journey together? A 6,000-mile adventure along the coast— I mean, the coast and the coast Galt and the Atlantic Coast. I know you said that it was during the pandemic and everything, but like, how did you guys get together and say, you know what, this is what we just gonna do?

So I mentioned being depressed, and I can remember the second that I walked down the stairs and I saw my wife reading this book. You know, it's like everything is gray. We're all kind of sad and didn't know if I was going to live through this pandemic. And I know that there were a lot of people like that. Mm-hmm. But I came down the stairs and my wife was reading this book called "From What Is to What If." Mm. And I said, "That's weird," right? Because we've been in this rut for a while. And I said, "That sounds kind of like hope." And then 2 weeks later, I walked down the stairs and she was reading this book called "The Great Loop Experience." Mm. And what had happened is that she read the first book and she said, "I need to imagine my life the way that I want it." not the way that it's— not this thing that's crushing me right now. And she imagined a way out. She imagined that we were going to go through the pandemic on this boat and taking this trip. And so she bought a book and started researching the idea of the Great Loop. And this is a 6,000-mile trip around the eastern United States, right? It's something that you don't take on lightly. Yeah, but, but I had a job Since I teach technology, I can do that from anywhere, right? As long as I have an internet connection, I can do it. So, she read this book and then we started talking about the idea of taking on a journey like that. And we had some old advisors as friends and we said, "Should we take this trip in a couple of years?" And they said, "No." And we said, "No." They said, "You should go now because you never know if your life circumstances can change." And you have everything that's laid out for you, right? You have the financial opportunity, you have the motivation to go, you should go. And you're sad and you need to break yourself out of that. So, so that's what we did.

Let me ask you, Bruce, man, you brought something up. You said as long as— because you teach technology— and as long as you got internet connection, you know, you can work from just about anywhere. How was the internet connection on this small boat, man, journeying 6,000 miles? Did you ever lose service or anything, or was it smooth sailing?

We did lose service a couple of times. So now the trip is built to where you're in port most of the time. So 2 days you're in port and then you're underway a day, 2 days in port, you know. So we saw a lot of the country. So we're seeing, we're visiting places, but there were places where we lost internet service and there are places that were kind of spooky. So like when we were in the Everglades, you know, we could look down and you could see the sharks in the water and, you know, there's no service, right? And you know, you look around, maybe there's a sailboat anchored way over there, but we were on our own, you know. But most of the time we had really, really good internet. We had this system that we would actually put two phone cards in it, believe it or not, and one was AT&T and one was Verizon. As long as we could get one of the two, we were good to go.

Yeah, that was smart right there, man. That was smart. So Bruce, let me ask you, man, can you share some of the most memorable experiences that you encountered along the way What moment truly stood out to you?

Yeah, so there's a couple of them. Let me start with one that, uh, so we left, when we left it was, the river wasn't in flood, but it was really, really high, higher than we'd ever seen in Chattanooga. So we live on the river and it's maybe, you know, we can look down and there's, it's big long sloping bank and that big long sloping bank was almost gone. And then we could look outside 2 days before we were going to go and there were these big trees, you know, just floating down the river. We're saying, "We're going to be out in that?" Just kind of questioning ourselves, right? Yeah. But anyway, we're going down this river and it's really, really cold because we didn't leave when you're supposed to in the fall. We left in January. Mm. And the weather was good until about the day that we left. And then it got really, really cold. And we had— so we had a lot of cold and rain, and this happened week upon week upon week. And so it's really stressful because we had all these trees and all this debris floating on down by. There was a boat that sank in the lock like 2 weeks before. So we, you know, pulling up to this lock, which is like a big bathtub, and you could see up on the edges. And then we saw this, the top of this boat, and then we kind of look, you know, you see a lot of boats, so you don't doesn't catch a ride. And then you look again and said, wait a minute, that thing is up in the parking lot. What went on there? And it has to have a big hole in it. It had actually sunk in the lock. So we saw a lot of things like this. And so it made the start of the trip exciting but tense, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we got to the coast and we thought that the coast was going to be okay. Now I can like shed the winter jacket. We just throw it in the trash, right? We're not going to need it for a year or something. Yeah. And that didn't happen, right? We got all this kind of rain and cold, and we said, "I'm in Florida, and I started this trip." And so anyway, we pulled out of some marina, and there's this warship that passed us, and my wife was driving, and it just knocked the tar out of us, right? So this big wave just rocked us back and forth, and things are falling off the shelves and rattling on the floor, and my wife is kind of shaking. And then, you know, I said, Would you like me to drive? And she said, yeah. So we had this code, we had this code that said, perhaps I could be of some assistance. Yeah, you know, that meant, would you like me to drive? And she said, yeah. And so I kind of started going a little bit faster to where, where the boat was starting to take off, but it wasn't really wide open yet. But at this speed, it makes a big, big wave, right? And that kind of settled us down a little bit. And so then my wife said, wait, Bruce, there are dolphins. I said, dolphins? And then I see them kind of come out towards the boat. And then we had this really careful procedure where you hand the steering wheel from one person to the other. I didn't do any of that stuff. I just ran to the back of the boat.

I said, dolphins!

And, um, so I'm staring at them. No, CJ, I tell you, over the next 40 minutes, 40 minutes, these dolphins, a whole pod of dolphins, were playing behind the boat. Wow. And when I looked to see them, at first I looked to the front of the boat where they almost always are, right? I saw nothing, right? So I'm looking, I'm looking, I'm looking. I turn around like angry, like I'm never going to see any dolphins, and one had jumped up and almost hit me in the face. And And so they were so close, maybe a foot or two away. And at that moment, I just melted, just melted, right? It's just, it's, it said everything. There was this overwhelming peace that washed over me. I said, everything's going to be okay. Yeah, it's going to be okay, man.

You know what, Bruce, I'm gonna be honest with you, man. Once I heard, you know, for me, if it was me that it was a ship that had sunk a week before, a couple weeks before, that journey might have been over with for me, man. I might have been a little too nervous to fulfill that, uh, 6,000-mile journey, man. But kudos to you guys right there. And so with that being said, besides the beginning that you guys endured and made it through, what were some of the toughest challenges you faced during this adventure? Were there moments when you thought about giving up besides that point?

Yeah, so there was a, there were a couple. One of the moments was 3 days after we had started. And, you know, we didn't know what we needed to know about weather or anything like that. And we really wanted to, right? We wanted to know, you know, what was safe. And, but, but we thought, gosh, we're on these, this river system and the river system, most of the winds are kind of protected. Right, is the river's kind of going around and turning. And, you know, we were in a pretty big, pretty heavy boat, about 7,000 pounds. And so we weren't really worried about what the water could do to us on that particular river, and we should have been, right? So we got out there, the wind was about 25 miles an hour, and it turns out that if the wind blows right straight down a line that's, that's pretty long— and this is the first long straight section of the river and the wind was going right down that channel. And like I said, the waves were higher than usual because the current was higher than usual. And the currents— so these waves started and they were 2 feet high. I mean, you got to put your hand up, that's, that's pretty big, right? Yeah, yeah. And so my wife and I looked at each other and kind of, you know, laughed a little bit nervously and said, you know, we got the right boat. And the waves were kind of cut right in the bow and they were shooting off to the side. We're saying Man, boy, I picked myself a good day, right?

Yeah.

And then a couple minutes later, the waves are 4 feet high, and we're kind of laughing nervously. And Maggie starts to, you know, she records everything, so she said, I want to get this moment. And so she started recording, and then the waves grew to 6 feet high, the highest waves that we saw on our whole trip. And we said, we have to be off of this river, right? Yeah.. And so we saw these red buoy and green buoy, and basically when you go through that, that's where you're supposed to be. And so there was off to the side of the river, and I turned the wheel all the way to the side, and this big wave's coming in to crash. And my wife looked at me as if she was going to ask me, is it Tuesday? She said, hey, are we gonna die? I didn't answer that question. Yeah, yeah. So I turned up and then I, I, um, I went between those two buoys, and, and the river slowed us down and slowed us down and slowed us down, and we hit something on the bottom, but not too hard. And then we cut on through. But it turns out that there was like a layer of mud that keeps most boats out, but we were able to get over it in those waves, and, and because of the high, high water, and we were able to get out and into this marina. And this was a summer-only marina, so we weren't even supposed to be there, right? So as soon as we got in there, we tied our boat up and everybody said, hey, hey, welcome! And, uh, how'd you get in here? How'd you get in here? You're not going to be able to leave tomorrow or till June, really. It is January, right? So we thought our loop was over right then.

So like their curiosity, they was curious on how you guys got there. And couldn't get out because you ain't supposed to be there till the summertime. I'm curious too, Bruce, which part of this journey— was it starting the journey or finishing it— was the most difficult? Like, how did the ending compare to the beginning?

Which part was the most difficult? That's a really tough question because when you have a journey that long, the journey itself is difficult, right? It's just hard. Yeah, there's a lot. I'm a programmer. I have nothing to do with engines, and I found myself, you know, with my hands all the way up to the shoulders and grease and in the engine. Yeah, you know, because I had to, right? Because, you know, you gotta, you gotta change the oil, and this was during COVID and there weren't mechanics available. I found myself doing the same thing with the septic system, right, with, um You know, with all of these systems on board, we found ourselves alone and just completely isolated. We had COVID. I lost my brother during this trip. We lost our dog. Yeah, thanks. But we were able to deal with these circumstances in some of the most beautiful places on Earth. And we got to really kind of shake loose of what we were wondering that was going to happen to us next. And we got to make the next thing happen to us, right? We got to really open up and live for a little while. And so I would say it was really, really hard, almost all of it. Mm. And it was really, really rewarding. But I want to talk about one particularly hard moment. Mm-hmm. We were coming into a place called Marco Island, and this was in Florida. Mm-hmm. And it's a very, very wealthy place. And I had some Ukrainian friends, and we had heard on the radio that Ukraine had been invaded by Russia. Then there was all this political chatter after that happened about, you know, I didn't really understand what that was about. I just knew my friends were refugees and they were coming across, you know, bridges. And we were hearing, we were wondering if certain people in our community were okay. And, um, people were making sport of this in this town, and it just was really, really painful. And so I remember being in one of the most beautiful nights on the trip. There are all these Mediterranean houses, maybe 10 million each, and this glow coming through the window, and, and you hear this, the waves slapping on the side, just kind of in a rhythm that should have been great sleeping weather, right? And I remember this, the breeze kind of blowing through And there's this sound that the shrimp make when they crunch on the side of your boat. It sounds almost like wires crackling, right? Like electricity or something like that. Yeah. But I couldn't think about any of those things. I just put my back to my wife and I just cried the first time on the trip. I just cried because my friends were oppressed, right? So yeah, that's a moment that really strikes me as a difficult one.

Mm, man. Yeah, I hate that you, you know, had to endure some losses on your journey. I know that was kind of hard to endure because you're trying to set a goal and do some things, and then you can't turn back to, you know, I can't turn back from where you at to go deal with it. And so, uh, yeah, man, so I feel for you in that aspect. But kudos again to you guys for enduring, man, and finishing this journey off. So Bruce, let me ask you, man, Being a programmer and a CEO, as someone who strives on adventure, how did you approach the planning and execution of this journey? Or shall I say, did you find your backgrounds influencing your roles during the trip?

Yes, I mean, so this is a big deal. There was a moment on the trip when we were kind of by ourselves and with one other boat, and we talked. We were about three-quarters of the way around, By then it was clear we were gonna finish. And we talked to each other about how difficult the job was that we did and what we were able to do. And you can't do it without planning, right? So I would say that the two things that I learned as a programmer are, the first thing is that you have to plan for the worst, right? And we did. So one of the things that we did was we carried all the spare parts that we would need and two, of a lot of the spare parts that we would need before we even left port, right? Because we were going to be out in all these manufacturing shortages, were locking down marine supplies at the time. Yeah, yeah. But the other thing that I learned as a programmer is that you can't plan for everything, and your plans need to be flexible, right? So there are places in the loop where we'd have to have a rough plan for the next month or so, right? And then it really got down to it day to day. We didn't know if we were going to leave port in the morning. And so we had to basically let go of our kind of American style of saying, now, now, now, I want it, I want it, I'm going to go, and just wait on the weather. No, wait. If you'd like a place, stay a place. If you like a person hang with the person. And if it's not working, just kind of move on. And so having that kind of mindset really helped us make it around and get into like a life rhythm and a flow. It was really a lovely thing.

Yeah, like you said, I like how you put that. You can't plan for everything, but you do have to have a rough plan and then a plan after a plan, right? Because you never know what may happen, you know, and especially if you haven't experienced certain things and you may have an idea what you want to do, but once you get there, it could be something totally different than what you expected. So like, nah, Maggie, I don't think that plan right there gonna work.

So yeah, like once we didn't even know how to tie up our boat. We got to salt water. Yeah. And we saw these things called tides and we were thinking, what's a tide? You know, the water goes up, the water comes down. And you know, on the river our dock goes up and down with the tides. We could tie it really tight, right? Yeah. And if you tie really tight on the ocean when the tides are coming up and down and that dock's not moving, yeah, well, your boats either going to be held at the bottom or the top, and that's not going to work out very well, right? Wow. You have to learn now how to make it loose and how to cross the lines and, you know, how to, how to keep the boat close enough to the shore without keeping the lines too tight. Right, so there are all these little things that we had to learn with each new geography, new weather patterns, uh, you know, tides, just salt water, fresh water. It's like, what does that do to your gear, right? All that stuff. You're right, you're right, we had to flex.

Yeah, that's cool, man. Good, it was two smart people on this boat that can adapt and get things together and working together. So let me ask you a question, Bruce. How has writing Currently Awake shaped your perspective on life and the world, and did it change your outlook on what's truly important?

Yeah, you know, there's a thing that we were struggling with before this book and before this voyage. It's that we are learning new ways in this country to hate each other. Yeah, right. We, we just do. It's if, if I don't have the same background that you do, if I don't have the same everything as you do. We're being taught by others to hate each other. And one of the things that we learned on this trip is that we don't have to, right? That we can look into what we have in common. And that was really a beautiful thing. It's— we had this couple that we were with just around Miami, in a town called Hillsborough, and we were having these political conversations and My wife started asking these political questions and I'm thinking, how do I get this pin back into this hand grenade? Right? Yeah. Because it's not going to go, right? And, um, yeah. And, you know, then we would just laugh and then we would start talking about the loop again, right? Because we had this common thing. We had this thing in common. And since the trip, we've been thinking we have something else in common. We have our humanity. In common. We have an innate curiosity about people that we didn't have as deeply before, and that's— it's, it's a really, really special thing for us. And I hope that we carry it the further that we get away from this trip.

You know, with that being said, you know, like you say, with the couple in Florida and you're trying to put the— the pin back in the grenade, let me ask you a question, Bruce. As a couple, what impact has this shared experience had on your relationship? Did it bring you closer, or were there moments like that one with the grenade, or was it moment of tension?

Well, there were moments of tension, but the thing about it is, in 290 square feet in this tiny little boat, yeah, you don't go to bed mad. You know, you can't go take a walk.

Yeah, there's nowhere to take a walk.

So we learned to stay on top of our— we learned to work it out. And that's marriage, right? It's like every new adventure, we have to learn to work it out. Yeah. And, you know, on the trip, we were keenly aware that this relationship was a permanent thing. And so if we weren't going to be walking away from it, then we had to invest in it. And the other thing that happened was that we learned to appreciate each other for the things that we brought to the trip, right? Like, you know, I mentioned the time that I put my wife on my hand on Maggie's shoulder and I said, perhaps I could be of some assistance, right? Yeah. Well, she got to do the same thing to me, right? So we're coming into New York and there's this special day called Fleet Week, right? Okay. And in Fleet Week, all the battleships and aircraft carriers and Coast Guard ships, they're coming into New York Harbor. And we arrived in New York that day, right? So if you can imagine all these military boats with all the military space that they're supposed to have around them. Yeah, squeezing down 80% of the Hudson River, right? And we have the tight last little bit for all the traffic of New York to go through, all the ferries and all these like massive boats, all these little— it was all like right, right crammed into this place. Yeah, and we got pulled over by the cops twice, right? So they— these, these military boats pulled up to us, harbor police pulled up to us and said, go over there, go over there, and they're each pointing at each other, right? You go into that space, you go in that space. I don't know if they were messing with this or not, but I was about to curl up into a little ball and lie on the floor, and I feel my hand on the shoulder, and Maggie said, perhaps I could be of some assistance, because he knew That was just kind of full. And I said, yeah, that'd be good. And so CJ, she promoted me to head photographer. Go take pictures. She said, go take pictures.

Oh, so she had to take control of that situation. I'll say, get your butt off the, uh, ground there, Bruce. Hey, so Bruce, let me ask you a question, man. So now that Currently Away Is Out. Do you have any future projects or adventures lined up, or could there be a sequel or perhaps a new endeavor dealing with new book?

Yeah, I've been thinking about retiring into writing, and I'd really like to do that. And one project that we're thinking about is biking the Erie Canal because we didn't get to boat down it, but we that there were these biking trails. And so it would be a really fun thing to bike all 350 miles or so of that canal and just stop and meet people and interview all these people that have lived on this canal all their lives, right? And so we got kind of mix in, like, currently, Wei, right, some of its funny stories and how we almost ran into the dock in the first 20 minutes of the boat. And, you know, some is about the deeper stories like losing my friends in Ukraine. But I'd really like to write a book like that about that part of the country.

Hey, but Bruce, I think I should have asked you this question before this question. So what do you hope from the book that's currently out, Currently Away, what do you hope readers would take away from your memoir, especially regarding the experiences and lessons learned from embarking on such an adventure? Well, two things.

The first thing is I hope people will have the audacity to dream, right? It was really, really easy for us to sit down and just waste away in Chattanooga during the pandemic and just keep doing that and doing that one day into the next and let life happen to us. And it was a dream to say, to reimagine what quarantine could look like. To put us on a boat instead of in, in our condo, right? So the first thing is to dream. The second thing is that that person over there, they're human too, and they're curious too, and it's okay to have conversations with them and to disagree. Just when you're done Talking about beating each other up over, you know, whatever the politics are. Come back to your common humanity and interact like people. Forbearance is a great skill that we've kind of lost in this country. And I hope that this book will help people get some of that back.

Mm. Yeah, man. Because Lord knows we need a lot of healing in this country, like you was alluding to earlier and like what you said right now. So I only got one more question for you, Bruce, man, and I appreciate you taking the time out today to come on and on the Moneyway Show and share your experiences. So, but where can we find the book at? On Amazon, Barnes Noble? And, uh, what are your social media handles?

Yeah, so on Barnes Noble and on Amazon, the book is called Currently Away. It's available on both. And hey, like you're saying, let's speak it into a number one bestseller, right? Right. Speaking of— let's go out, go out, get that book. Yeah. And so you can find me @redrabbits on Twitter, or I guess it's called X now, whatever. Yeah. So whatever that man renamed it. Yeah, whatever he renamed it to. Yeah. And on Instagram, we are currently the boat.

Currently the boat. Okay.

Yeah. And love for you to read it and let us know what you think.

Yeah. You heard it right here. Currently Away. Go grab the book on Amazon. Go grab it on, uh, Barnes Noble. You say on Instagram your handles is what? Currently, currently the boat. Currently the boat. Hey, follow them on Instagram. Hey, so Bruce, man, I just got one more question for you. Finally, what advice would you give to couples who are considering a similar journey or embarking on a big adventure together like you guys did?

Go, go as soon as you have the circumstances. As soon as your life will make it happen. Your circumstances can change, but nobody ever regretted actually following their heart and following their dreams. It's a go.

Mm, you heard it right here. Just go. And it's something too that Bruce said earlier, and he keeps saying it, so I think that's a vital part because that's something that I'm really big on too. Dream. Dream big and don't never let anybody kill your dreams. If God gave you a dream, the dream is for you.. And it's really not for nobody else. If they don't understand it, then oh well. Dream big and go for what you know. Hey Bruce, man, is there anything else that you would like to share with the audience before we leave out of here, man? That's it.

That's it. Thank you so much for this conversation. I've enjoyed being with you today.

Oh man, I appreciate you coming on, Bruce. Hey, so go get the book that's currently out right now, Currently Away by Bruce and Maggie Tate. Hey, check out their 6-mile journey across the Golden Atlantic Coast. Hey, exciting trip, got some good stuff in there because the man aiming to heal America, and that's what we need right now. You have been listening to the CJ Moneyway Show with your boy CJ Moneyway and Bruce Tate. Hey, we out of here. Peace.

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Mm-hmm.