From Struggle to Strength: Spiritual Recovery Explained @DanBerger

It's like a compulsion. And only when you realize that you can't stop it and you need a spiritual intervention— you don't have to be— you don't have to walk out into— you don't have to walk in the meeting like, you know, swear to Jesus Christ. I mean, you can swear to whoever you want. In fact, there are many atheists in recovery. But as long as you believe that some— a higher— and we say it, and we say in recovery, we came to believe a power, only a power greater than ourselves can lead us. That's, that's, that's what recovery is all about. Mm, I like it, man.

I like it. And I add this— what, when we first talked, man, what did I say I was from?

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