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The Chicago Bulls announced Derrick Rose jersey retirement night. On today's episode, me and Pat are gonna discuss why it's not just nostalgia when it comes to Derrick Rose. We're also talking about training camp and Dalen Terry working with Uh, Steve Nash of all people. We're talking about all that and more on today's Locked On Bulls.

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Uh, I think great, great game, um, to pick because of one of the most memorable, uh, playoffs. It's crazy, like one of the most memorable playoff series of Derrick Rose's career is not him making the Eastern Conference Finals and going toe-to-toe with LeBron by himself. It truly is that first playoff series where, uh, 1-8 versus the Boston Celtics. Um, it—

You think that's Derrick Rose's best playoff?

I think that's one of the— I think that's one of the most memorable of his career.

Okay, that's fair.

That's right. Like, I don't think—

I think he played the best against the Miami Heat until that, that game where they put LeBron on him. But I get what you're saying as far as memorable series.

Yeah, I think, I think it's the most memorable game or series of his career. Um, it was really when he stamped himself as on the scene, and the team goes out versus the Boston Celtics. Plus they saw, you know, on Derrick Rose night last year, the Bulls pulled some magic out and, and found a way to win that game. So You know, probably hoping that they can do that again. Uh, is this, is this anywhere near a, uh, play-in, getting out of play-in game? What's those things called? In-season tournament game? Is that—

That's hilarious.

But, uh, nah, man, I love it. I'm glad that Derrick is getting the honor. Um, there were people that were like, you know, he shouldn't be up there, his name shouldn't be— like, clearly one of the best players we've ever had in our franchise. Um, has been the only player that's really contributed to consistent winning And this franchise's last 25 years of history.

So, well, him and Joe.

Well, yeah, him and Joe.

Can't count out Joe.

Can't count out Joe. But Joe not gonna make it together.

You can't count out Joe.

Joe not gonna make the rafters.

And technically, if we're, if we're, if we're being— yeah, he's not gonna make the, uh, the rafters. But technically, Joakim Noah has more wins without Derrick Rose than Rose has without, without Joakim Noah. Just if you're being there technical, we were still number 2 team in the East the whole season without Derrick Rose being there.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Got MVP consideration that year. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Yeah, it was Respectful his name.

There's no disrespect to Joe, but you know, there's some people that's gonna get in these rafters and some that's not.

Yeah, I mean, for what it's worth, I mean, in all honesty, in the rafters to, to, I mean, keep in mind the Bulls started the Ring of Honor and they basically said it when they started the Ring of Honor, we're doing this because we're not retiring anymore jerseys. 2 years later, they're retiring Derrick Rose's jersey. So that shows you how the importance that he has to the franchise. He's joining Pip, um, Pip Jordan, Bob Love, and Jerry Sloan in the rafters. He's gonna be— Derrick Rose is gonna be number 5 there. Um, so, you know, that's a huge honor. What do you think though, Pat, about— of course, there are already people that says, oh my God, the Bulls are nostalgia baiting this, having another jersey retirement night, making this another big deal. I have my opinion on it where I think Derrick Rose, the, the— what he has meant to the franchise, he, he deserves to get, uh, acknowledged for his retirement. And then he gets— he, he deserves to have his jersey retired. Like, It usually happens 2 separate nights. They're usually players, they don't have their jersey retired until 3, 4 years after they retire. So I, I, the fact that it happens back-to-back years, I don't, I don't take that as nostalgia baiting. What about you, Pat?

Um, I think sure it is. Like, they, they're not gonna do anything that's gonna make you feel different about the franchise this year. Like, we kind of feel at best, right, they get Josh Giddeon here and they're competitive for a 6 seed. So sure, like, you're trying to take Bulls fans' focus away. And truly what they're trying to do, like, let's not get it twisted, they're trying to get people to buy CHSN. That's, that's what it is. The— you remember the spike up in the packages last year for the Derrick Rose, uh, uh—

Now that also coincided with it being available on, on, uh, it wasn't just the Derrick Rose night. It also got available over the air when they came out with their app at the same time.

Yeah, but no one was buying antennas.

Well, yeah, because you try to get humans to buy something extra— no, like, people are lazy.

But that's what I mean.

Like, you say, hey, you don't know— you no longer need that app, all you got to do is download this app and sign up. Of course you're going to see a spike in subscriptions being raised at that point. People don't like getting up and going to the store, Pat.

I don't know if you know this or not, America's fat.

People, if you tell them, if you tell them, hey, you gotta get up out your house, you gotta walk your happy tail down to goddamn CVS and get this antenna, they're gonna be like, you know what, I don't even know if it's the right antenna, I'm not gonna do it. You tell the same fathead person, hey, just open this app up on your phone and download it from the App Store, of course subscriptions are gonna go up.

Well, I think what, what it was is though, like, you're trying to get people to commit to buying CHSN. You want these moments. Because what, what more than likely is gonna happen is you gonna sign up, forget about it, and just be like, meh, $7.99, I'm watching the Bulls, I don't care that much. Like, we know how these things go. So I do think there's a little bit of nostalgia baiting to try to get mugs in here.

In that case, then everything's nostalgia— like, regardless of when they did it, it was gonna be nostalgia bait.

Well, listen, yeah.

Well, listen, yeah, of course.

There's not a lot of winning going on here. Hayes, they gotta do something.

Well, winning— that's the thing though, you can nostalgia bait while you win. It's like nostalgia baiting is its own thing. You could do that regardless if you're winning or not.

Not really. Like, I'm not that nostalgic if I'm having fun right now. I'm more nostalgic if it's like—

You don't think, bro, if you don't think people are still gonna be like— if the Bulls were winning 50 games and they came out and wanted to nostalgia bait, you don't think people— are people gonna be like, you know what, I'm good on that, we're winning 50 games now? No, there's still— but you may be different than that.

Here's where I put— here's where I push back on that. What year did the Warriors win their first championship? Well, not, not first championship, but what year did the Warriors win? They, they— with this team, I should say, with the Steph Curry— 2015.

Okay.

There's no announcement on the 10-year anniversary of them winning their first championship this season in Golden State. Well, they don't care because they still trying to win right now.

That's, that's, that's, that's true. But I think that's also because 2 people that are still base of that, they're still actively playing. If they— regardless, if they were winning, let's say that the, the 2 timeline thing worked. and Jordan Poole, Jonathan Kuminga, James Wiseman were now leading the Golden State Warriors, and Steph, Klay, and Draymond were off that team, they absolutely do a 10-year anniversary. Even if they were winning 50 games, they would absolutely do a 10-year anniversary. Andre Iguodala would walk his bad hairline-having self in that building, and they would be having a 10-year anniversary tonight.

You can still do it. Most of that team is not in the league.

True, but I'm saying the fact that there's so many people that are in there that— and also Klay's still playing. Like, I, I just think I get what you're saying.

You have it when Dallas come to Golden State.

But I, but I, I think you usually have— I don't think you've ever seen a 10-year anniversary of a team that's still actively playing, even if— even when the, when the, the Bulls— like, I don't think you, you see that. I, I think usually you see that if that team is gone and most of that team is retired and moved on. I don't think you usually see, even if it is the start of a dynasty, a huge 10-year anniversary thing if the majority of that core of players is still actively playing in the NBA. The 3 guys are still all on NBA teams.

Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't, I don't see a lot of teams that are winning do like, we're gonna honor this team. Usually it's the teams that aren't winning a ton.

The damn Dallas Mavericks brought, brought Dirk back the same year they went to the Finals.

Brought Dirk back the same year they went to the Finals? What you mean? They, they had—

they gave him a statue that year. Huh?

They gave him the statue that year.

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. According to you, teams wouldn't do that if they were still winning and celebrated. They did the Dwyane Wade. That was the same year. The year after they went to the finals, they were winning. I'm just saying, nostalgia bait when teams are winning, bro.

Like, I don't know if it's bait then though. Like, I'm not trying to get you to come.

That's what I'm saying.

I don't know if it's bait then. I'm not trying to get you to come to the stadium.

I'm not trying to get you to come see a product. The Bulls sell out every single game.

Yeah, but see, I think a lot of people that don't go to enough games don't realize it's not fans in there.

Oh yeah. No, it's—

You go in there and it's, it's people having business meetings and getting sales done. This dude cheating on his wife over here. Like it's—

Hey, at least nobody got caught on the Jumbotron cheating.

Uh, that's not true. We have seen that happen at a United Center game. I've definitely seen a— oh, I've seen a duck out.

It wasn't the CEO of a multimillion dollar company.

It was not a CEO of a multimillion dollar company that is now suing, uh, what was that?

Coltrane?

That's hilarious. With that said, we're gonna move into the next topic where Joe Cali once again rips the the Chicago Bulls front office, but not really rips. I actually agree with a lot of what he said in this article. We'll talk about all that, but first we gotta get into message from FanDuel.

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All right, Pat. Joe Cali, uh, talks about AK, and in this article I will say this, this was one of the more articles that were balanced. He did start off saying, hey, AK has built a roster with some pretty solid talent on it, but we're missing a number one, is what Joe Cali basically got into this article and then went on to question AK's motivations to get that true number 1 on this team, questioning if development is going to come within, and even saying that, you know, it seems like the Bulls are really locked into thinking that that number 1 is going to— may already be on the team and developing that. But then towards the end of the article, talk about the Bulls and not going after a top 5 pick to make sure they can get that guy. It's really a battle of warring mindsets. Do you feel like AK is just once again building towards the middle? Do you think this path, since moving off the older guys, going younger, and betting on that development of those young players is it? Or do you think eventually we are going to look at this and say the same place that we were with the Baby Bulls era, like with Ben, uh, Kirk, and Lou before Derrick Rose got there? It was a good team, it was a solid team, it was a team that could win a lot of regular season games but never got looked at as an actual contender until Derrick Rose came here. How you feeling about the, the mold that now that AK is building this team towards?

I think I've consistently said that's exactly what the Bulls are right now. You put a star on this team, that's a heck of a basketball team. You, you drop one single, like, not even super— a star, like somebody that you like, he is gonna help us win 40 games and the rest of these pieces are gonna get us the extra 5 to 10 wins.

Yeah.

You got a heck of a basketball team right now. The question is, do you have a star? And right now doesn't feel like you do. Feels like you got really good pieces that can You know, step up in a pinch and, and make some good plays. But it doesn't feel like you have that guy who you can count on game in and game out every day. This is your day to go out there and cook somebody. And that's what you need in the NBA to go out there and win a lot of games. Like, can you be a competitive team without that? Sure. I think we've seen that over the course of time.

Like, yeah, for sure.

There's always been teams like that. There was, you know, the, the, the Knicks teams with Raymond Felton were that way. The Denver Nuggets teams, also with Raymond Felton oddly enough, were that way. Like, like there were all these teams that you can look at and say, you know, that this is a competitive team that'll go out there and give their all every night. That's where I think the Bulls are at right now after what we saw last season, which is a step in the right direction.

And, and I— so I talked a little bit about this on Central today, Pat, and you can tell me if you feel my, my definition or my thinking on this is off. The way I define having a true number one to me Is if you look at a guy on your roster and you say, this player alone, by just solid roster construction, we could— we can not only make the playoffs, we can probably win a playoff series. I don't think you can say no, you have a true number one until you— until you feel that way, that you say, hey, by having Anthony Edwards on this team, we know we're not— we're at, at bare minimum gonna make it out the first round. And even then, depending on the depth of the team that you're facing, you could shake there. But I don't think you have a number one until you have that guy. You have To me, you have your leading scorer in Coby White, cool. You got your leading playmaker in Josh Giddey, cool. You got, you got your leading up-and-comer in Montas, cool. But none of those guys, to me, as much as I do like those players individually, have proven to be themselves a true number one on a team because we haven't achieved anything with those guys yet.

You, you won't have your true number one until your expectation is playoffs, right? And we, we had one of those players with DeMar. It felt wrong that we weren't making the playoffs. It was like you— like somebody's messing up, somebody's doing something, because DeMar's putting his team on his back every night and y'all ain't making the playoffs. It's not leading to anything, right? You felt like you had a team that had enough talent there that you should have at the minimum been in the playoffs, not in the play-in tournament. Um, I don't feel that way about this team. If we— if we're being honest, if the Bulls come out this year and they are like fighting for the 8th seed, which is still technically playing in tournament but wasn't original playoff spot. Like, you made improvements. That's what you have with a brand— or I, I don't wanna say new 'cause a lot of these pieces are still the same, but like, when you're building an up-and-coming team, like, last year 6 was fine for the Orlando Magic. This year I think we expect them to be one of the top 4 teams with some of the additions they made. You know what I mean? Like, it's just— The expectation year over year is to get better. I think we're at the beginning of that with this young Bulls team. I know it's a lot of the same pieces that have been there through the, through the, uh, um, DeMar DeRozan and the Zach LaVine years, but like, there's a lot hinging on Modis being a better player than he was last year. Are we gonna see that? Hope is that we do. The hope is that he turns into this dominant force, that he's going to be consistently able to get to the bucket and, and be somebody who's a you know, 18 to 20 point scorer. But that's a big jump from year 1 to year 2, and that's a jump that stars make. So you just gotta— I can't have that expectation until I see who the player is that makes that jump. I think as much as I want Modest to take the next step, I think both of us would be surprised if Modest came out and he was a consistent 21 point per game scorer.

Yeah, and, and like I said before, no knock on Modest really when it comes down to that, but it's just that That, that's a, that's a large leap. And I think sometimes people can forget how big of a leap that is, like to go from modest, you know, getting what, 12 points per game as a starter last year, something like that, um, up to, up to 18, like even up to 16. That's a pretty large leap. That's why you usually see it in stages, right? It's like you usually see a player come in 10 to 12 their first year, 16, 15, 16 their second year, and then usually by year 3 or 4, that's when they go consistently over 20. Um, and especially with the team like the Bulls that still do have— Vooch is still on this roster. He's gonna need his shots. Of course, Kobe and Giddey. So we'll see what happens with Modest. But the Bulls don't have a true number 1 yet. I don't care what a stan of any of the players say here. I love the Chicago Bulls through and through, and I like a lot— I want to see a lot of these players stay, but we don't have a true number 1 yet. And that's just the reality.

I'll be honest with you, I don't know if you got a number 2 yet.

I, I think depending on the makeup of the roster, depending on the makeup, Kobe can be a number 2. But I, I get— I'm not saying that you're wrong with how you're thinking. I just think it depends on the gravity of your number 1. But I get what you— I get what you're getting at.

Is Kobe consistent enough offensively to be a number 2 yet?

I think if he can maintain what he did last year, yes. Last year was the most consistent Kobe year. I think that last year gave me more thought that Kobe can be, because he only had one bad— where we talk about 3, 4 stretches of Kobe not shooting, yeah, he had one last season. If he can, which he can, which shooters have bad stretches. Exactly. If he can do that, then yes, I feel confident about Kobe being a number 2. But again, that depends on the gravity of the number 1 that you have. Your number, your number 1 then not only have to be a playmaker, defender, and a scorer.

Yeah. And I think that's the thing, right? Like, it's on this team, can Kobe be a number 2? Sure. But I think that says more about, you know, the level that our number 1s are at right now.

Yeah.

And that's, you know what I mean? Like, if Modest be— I don't think it's that hard for Modest to become a number 1 on that team. Now, the— what he actually has to do to accomplish that, I think it's difficult. But like, it's almost like the Bulls are kind of— if, if Modest comes out and he scores 17 the first game, they're probably gonna be like, keep shooting.

Yeah.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, well, I guess we got the keys. Uh, here's, here's your car. See how far you can drive it before you crash. Like, I don't think that it's going to take that much to leapfrog into this is the focal point and what we're going to build that team around because the Bulls have so many questions on that team. And because of that, like, I think where we view Kobe as a number 2, not to say he's bad, but like, you know, my number 2 guy still has to be a main piece on this team that is involved in a lot more than just every now and then he gives you a 40-point game. I, I Brad, I got Bradley Beal for that. I can go get Bradley Beal if I wanna do that. You know what I mean?

No, but I, I get what you're saying. Like, you're, you're basically saying it, and correct me if I'm wrong, don't let me, don't let me, you know, uh, put words in your mouth, but I think that if Kobe is an actual 20 to 22 points every night, you feel more confident in it. Not an average of 20, 22 every night, but actually he scores 20 to 22 points every single game.

Well, and my thing is, right, the, the efficiency, the consistency. Like, your number 2 has to be Klay Thompson. Now I get it, he's one of the best players to ever do it. But when you look at a guy like Klay Thompson, a true number 2, Klay Thompson did everything well that picked up the slack of Stephen Curry. That's what your number 2 should be. If there was a matchup in, in the Michael Jordan world that— listen, yeah, I mean, we, we want to see everything, and Jordan is— was always going to dominate every situation he was in, but there was some matchups that didn't benefit Michael Jordan to be the scorer you needed him to be.

Right.

Like, let's be clear here, Jordan could do nothing with Shawn Kemp. You needed Pippen for that. You needed Pippen. You needed Pippen for that.

You needed that guy where it's like, hey, I'mma pick up the stuff. And not even to say I think Jordan could have done something with Shawn Kemp, but it's gonna take away from Michael Jordan on the offensive end.

We can't do that. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Like, defensively, can he get to him? Yeah, he can steal the basketball. He'll find a way to figure it out, but it's gonna take away him scoring on the offensive end. And so for me, like, That is where your number 2 is. Does Coby White pick up the slack of whoever becomes the number 1? That's the big question that I think you have coming into this season on if you have a true number 2. And I, I personally don't believe you have that right now, but, uh, we gotta talk about it. Maybe we got a number 2 coming out in an unexpected player here with, uh— I couldn't even make the joke.

I'm sorry. That's a wild joke, my boy. That's crazy.

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Dang it.

I almost had the perfect smooth trade there. All right, Pat. Uh, Dalen Terry. Dalen Terry, who, keep in mind, a couple of weeks ago we talked about Dalen Terry actually still working with Peter Patton, uh, the Bulls' former, former head of player development. He hired him to help work with him on his shooting in the offseason. He was now seen working with Steve Nash on playmaking and passing. Now, that theoretically, those are the 2 things that you want to see, uh, uh, Dalen Terry be able to do, right? You want to see him to be a, a more of a better half-court passer because he did come into the league As a guard. I mean, he's been more kind of the 2-3, but if he can pass more and the shooting, like, if Dalen Terry could do those 2 things— this is the last year of his rookie-scale deal. He's going to be a restricted free agent, uh, this year. But for what it's worth, Pat, I went back and looked. Dalen Terry's worked with some people every offseason. He was working out with Anthony Edwards after his rookie year. Uh, he did some, some work with him. He's worked out with Tyrese Halliburton before. So Dalen has always done a pretty good job of putting himself around really good NBA players and, and trying to learn and absorb some things from them. But how do you feel about these latest developments for Dalen?

This gonna sound mean, man. It, it don't help. You just named all them people he didn't work with. Dalen Terry averaging 2 points a game. That man is averaging a basket. Like, what are we talking about? Like, I, I get it, it's offseason. I know we got to find something to talk about, but Dalen Terry traded with Steve Nash.

Where—

what's the situation that Dalen Terry is going to utilize everything that Steve Nash has given? Oh, he's running point forward and I mean, I think we saw some opportunities.

Like, like, Dalen is a really good passer in transition. Half court, he's been absolutely terrible. But I think we saw some of it last year. We saw— the problem with Dalen is like, we never saw everything in one game, right? We saw the game where he made, what, 5 of 6 from 3?

Yeah.

We saw the game where Trae Young, they tried to put Trae Young on him. He was like, oh, I could actually take him to the bucket every single game.

We saw that.

We've seen some solid passing games from him. This has to be a season where Dalen Terry got to show that he can do something consistently.

Here's, here's my thing. If Steve Nash— DT is a bucket, one bucket, one bucket. Shout out Jamal. If, if Steve Nash can fix Dalen Terry throwing half-court passes Where it's like his entire shoulder and body is telegraphing the pass, like he's throwing a ki blast in Dragon Ball Z. Then then yeah, that that's help enough because that'd be getting on my nerves.

Be like speaking of, you brought Super Saiyan Four back.

Yeah, yeah, I did see that.

Did you see they brought Super Saiyan? They I'm sorry, nerd stuff. You brought up DBZ, bro. I had it pretty fire.

Yeah, you know, you know.

Anyway, keep going, Pat. My bad.

But yeah, but yeah, no, listen, I'm I I like Dalen Terry. Here's the thing.

Right.

My hope for Dalen Terry is that there is a Cam Payne career jump.

That's actually a really good— I like that comparison because Cam Payne was absolutely terrible here and then contributed to a team that went to the finals, right? He was on that.

One of the worst players I've ever watched with my own eyes.

Yeah, bro. Like, you know, Cam Payne playing basketball was just bad, bro. It was terrible.

I remember, I never forget this. I was watching Campaign warm up, and unless the— listen, I don't know what the drill was, but he was on like the little, you know, they, they put tension on you kind of to pull back so that you, you get the tension when you shoot and it throws your shot off a little bit. You try to adjust. Uh, he missed every one. He didn't make a single basket. Maybe the point of the drill was to not make a basket, but he didn't make a single one. And, uh, Campaign went from being a guy who was 4 points per game here— I mean, he did have an 8-point season, but he was terrible. Um, and he only played 25 games in that season, to being a guy who was a consistent 10-5 guy on a championship roster. Yeah, that's my hope for Dalen Terry. Like, find, find your role that fits you, and it may not be here.

Yeah, and, and, and that— I can see Dalen Terry doing that. And again, and with Cam though, it was like he had that 3— I think it was with 3 good seasons After that, and then he fell right back off. But shout out to him for turning his career around.

He was solid with the—

it was with the Suns, right?

He was solid with the Suns, and then he went to Milwaukee. He was terrible in Milwaukee.

Yeah.

So, you know, but he was solid again with the Sixers. Wasn't he with the Sixers for a little bit?

I don't— if he did, I don't remember.

So I think everybody was dead, so he was the only one shooting, so it could have been.

So he had that Quentin Grimes stuff going on. Real quick, I know we— so One of these guys are gonna be— well, these, these guys are gonna be competing for the 10th spot in the rotation. That's P-Wool, Dalen, Julian, Noah Essienge. Who comes away with that, that 10th man spot in the rotation?

Noah Essienge, 'cause they wanna move on from everybody else.

Okay.

I, I think Dalen will not—

You think Noah's gonna play inconsistent but early minutes for the Bulls this year?

I think there's more likely a chance that Billy Donovan would rather see Noah Then send P. Will back out there. Okay, now I think P. Will may play in the beginning because there's no, you know, $19 million. You got to try and get something out of them. But I truly think it's going to be, hey buddy, he's the same dude. Let's see what we got in a young kid, just like it was last year. If P. Will get passed up twice, this becomes one of the worst contracts in NBA history.

Oh, facts, because you didn't have to give it to him. Like, like, it's like they found out how restricted free agency works this season. You could have did that same thing for P. Will last year and said, hey, let's let the market dictate what you're gonna get. They would have walked away paying them $5 million, and then they start P.

Will, bro. I'll be sick as well if P.

Will comes into training camp and for some reason he actually finally Gets it. Great. I'm not mad at it. Like, P. Will can— the theory of P. Will can still help this team. But at this point, like, we gotta stop giving him minutes and hoping he's gonna figure out during his minutes. Let him earn it, bro.

Because like, the logical mindset would be if we ever signed this mug. I mean, now it's getting weird. Like, now did you— have you gotten to the point where you've just looked up and be like, hey, they still ain't signed Josh Giddey yet, bro?

I had that moment. I literally had that moment last night. I was just like— I can't remember what I was doing. I was like, Like, bro, like, this is crazy, bro. Josh Giddey's still not signed.

He's still not signed, bro. He gonna sign that $11 million QO. Uh, but I think the logical path would be Giddey, Coby, Modest, P. Will, or P. Will and Modest, and then Vooch for your starting lineup. Like, but I don't want to see that.

Yeah, no, I'd rather see Isaac Okoro out there at this point.

Like, The thing I'm going through is— Then the Bulls start Pat Will.

Yes. Matter of fact, no, bring in Kieran— Kieran Amagaji as the— as a P. Will replacement. Let's let them swap places.

Probably.

He got skinny legs. He probably can get up there. Probably got a little NBA dreams in his life. Skinny legs.

Any last thoughts, Pat, before we get up out of here?

Nah, man, let's get up out of here. Follow us on everything at Locked On Bulls. You can follow me on everything at Pat the Designer. Appreciate y'all for tuning in and showing love.

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Peace, y'all.

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