Good Day Google+ - Design, Development and Strategies

Hey there, I'm Chef Dennis Littley and today we're here with Good Day Google Plus and it's my pleasure today to bring you 4 of my favorite plusers and also a pretty big announcement. So right now what we're going to do is we're going to go down and I'm going to introduce everyone and then we're going to come back to them and talk a little about what they do on and off the Plus. And if you have questions or comments, please leave them in the comment bar and we'll get to them. But for right now, it's a Great day on Google+ and we're here with Good Day Google+ and my friends. So let me start on my side here and I'm going to introduce first Ray. Ray Hilz here, how you doing today?

I'm doing great, this is such a thrill. Friday is usually my horror day, this is when I'm like the week kind of tilts and all the stuff sort of backs and rolls down into Friday and I'm behind everything. So this is like super cool that I can like chill out with you guys. And it's a great thrill to meet Pepper and John for the first time, James I know. So hi everybody and yeah. I'm looking forward to this. And can we cheat and get to the announcement right away?

Well, we're going to— actually, I'm going to do that last. We'll let him start. Pepper, how you doing today? I'm glad to have you here.

I'm doing really good. I'm really excited to meet all of you guys. I've talked to Dennis Littley a few times on Google+, which is one of the great things about it, is you get to meet all kinds of different people that you wouldn't normally meet. So I'm excited to see what we talk about today.

Sounds good, we're going to have fun today. And James, how you doing today, my friend? It's good to see you here.

Yeah, I'm good, Chef. Thank you. I'm good. So yeah, I'm James Dearsley. I'm the founder of the Digital Marketing Bureau. And I'll tell you the best thing about these shows for me is the fact that Good Day Google+ starts at 6 PM UK time on a Friday evening. That for me is like the best thing about these shows. I'm just thinking, great, that's the start of the weekend and it starts with Chef's show. But look, thanks for having me on here. So I'm a digital marketing consultant. I'm also a— I specialize a lot in technology for the property industry, so I sort of work a lot of augmented reality, virtual reality, 3D printing, lots of fun and fantastic stuff in the social and technology world. So, oh, and randomly a beekeeper as well. That's a bit of background on me.

Yeah, I'm sure we have some questions. We'll talk a little more about that. And now to my friend John. John Dietrich, how you doing? Glad to have you here today.

Hey, Chef, thanks a lot for having me on the show. It's a pleasure to be here. And meet you guys. I haven't had the opportunity to meet these other 3 panelists here. I live in central Mississippi. I work for a company called Think Web Store. And I run gplusgeek.com with Michael Bennett. And my primary jobs, I guess, are social media optimization for my company, search engine optimization, Google Plussing, social media, that kind of thing. And as Jeff said, we've got an announcement coming up at the end of the show.

Well, let's do it now.

We don't have to wait until the end.

Everybody is interested in this announcement you have, so why don't you talk a little bit about it and share it and we can get some questions.

Well, yeah, sure. We've been planning a Google+ conference for a few months now. Myself, Eric Enga, and Kara Wood are sort of the three main people involved with this. We've got a little community started, some interested parties. You know, it's kind of a big undertaking to plan a real-life conference. I think you, Sheff, had last year a live blogger conference. And this, we kind of want to bring some people together in a, in a real place. You know, I think we feel that that could be a kind of a real benefit to us as networkers and marketers to kind of meet each other in person. And so we kind of want to provide that opportunity to people and are hard on the trail of making that happen. And like I said, it's a lot of work, it's kind of time-consuming, and it's slow because we all have our other day job, so to speak. But it's going well. I've got a few specifics if anyone has some questions. That'd be great. I think we're looking right now at having it out in California, in San Francisco, because that's kind of got a proximity to Google headquarters. And we're hoping to get some Google buy-in to this whole thing. That'd be great. As far as the number of people, I think we're shooting for between 300 and 500. Depending on how everything goes, who all we can get, we've got 4 speakers lined up. I can't say exactly who they are yet because it's not exactly public, but some pretty big names around here on the Plus. You'll recognize them, things like that. So they've sort of bought into the idea and have said that they will be there speaking at the conference. So that's really good. Our focus is going to be on How to use Google+ for business, we feel like that's going to be helpful to bring in sponsorship. Because that's going to be one of the key ingredients to this whole thing. Kara Wood is our sponsor, sort of our sponsor lead, because she has some experience there. And I guess at this point, I think the other key person that we're looking for would be a professional conference organizer, because none Neither myself nor Kara or Eric have any direct experience in organizing conferences. I don't know, a lot of you may know Eric Enga from Stone Temple Consulting. He's done a lot of conferences over the years. He's got a lot of respect in the search engine optimization community. He's a really great guy. But even he, he was like, you know, we really need a professional organizer to help pull this thing together. You know, so that's one of those things we're looking for, but overall things are going quite well and we're really excited about it. So we're happy to take anyone's questions as we go along, or we can move on to someone else, whatever. I appreciate the time.

Oh, my pleasure. Sounds good. So if there are any professional organizers out there listening, or if you hear this later, you know, let us know and contact John. So, yeah, Ray, you have a question?

Yeah, just going to ask about the timeline. I'm not sure if he said— when are we looking at for the conference?

Well, that's a good question. I didn't say. It's coming— we're shooting for the fall, actually, of this year. And again, that's going to depend on how quickly we're able to bring in that big player, so to speak. We kind of want a headliner to come to this and sort of put their name to it and really bring it to another level, so to speak. And Eric is working on some of his connections. He's got some great connections with the Google+ development team. And so we're shooting for the fall, but if things kind of slow down a little bit, then we'll do it in the spring. So probably fall this year, maybe spring of 2015.

Is this an industry conference, James? James, sorry. Is it industry, or are you going to invite business people as well?

I think it's going to be— well, we focused on Google+, but we hope to bring in some new large businesses. We've got some communication going with Major League Soccer, who has done very well here on Google+ and has shown an interest in helping us out. And then, you know, we've seen some other bigger brands coming into Google+ recently. I think that's some topic of conversation I see a lot going on around here. And so we kinda want to focus on Google+ but also bring in a larger business community into learning how to use Google+ to really, you know, for real business, you know what I mean? Like not just hanging out and having a good time, which is great, you know, I'm all for that too, but there are really some serious business uses for Google+ and I feel like a conference like this could really spread that, spread the word so to speak.

John, can I just ask a question? And I'm sorry, I'm only saying this because otherwise I will completely forget about it.

Sure.

You mentioned Major League Soccer then.

Yes.

Obviously, we call it football.

Right.

Have you guys seen what Manchester United— it was announced, I think, today— Manchester United have done with Hangouts? Now, that is pretty cool. Obviously, we can't show it for copyright reasons. But basically, just in a brief synopsis for you guys, they're wanting to bring— I mean, Manchester United, it's always said that 98% of Manchester United fans have never, ever, ever been to see Manchester United play at Old Trafford. And it's sort of— I think this is where this idea has come from. And what they're trying to do is they're trying to integrate Hangouts with the online signboarding, so the on-pitch signboarding, the electric sponsorship signs all the way around the ground. And they're looking to basically make it one great big Hangout. So as you're watching the football on the telly, all you will see is all these people peppered on the sponsorship hoardings all the way around from all over the world. So suddenly, this 98% of people who've never been to Old Trafford, which is where Manchester United play, could probably claim that they've hung out at Old Trafford. And I thought it was a fantastic idea for Hangouts with sports. Brilliant.

Absolutely brilliant. Yeah, really. I appreciate you describing that, because when I saw that in my stream, I was like, this sounds really cool. But I didn't quite get an idea of what they were actually going to be doing. That's really interesting.

It looks like a great concept for sporting events. Absolutely fantastic.

I tell you what, this platform is extremely innovative. I'm very impressed to see how Google is able to adapt and move in this business environment. I've worked at some bigger companies and they're not able to do that very easily. But Google is very, I guess, agile, you could say. It's impressive.

Well, for a company this the size, right? And it's very responsive.

Yeah, it's like one of the top companies in the world. It's huge, it's international, and it acts like it's like your neighborhood company next door sometimes. It's amazing.

Absolutely. And I tell you what, the decision as to whether I become a wonderful conference organizer that I suddenly learn in the next sort of 2 weeks and pitch to you, John, probably depends on whether you're gonna pay for my travel accommodation in San Diego or somewhere in California for the next 6 months. I could be anything you want me to be if you're willing to do that. Absolutely happy to.

Well, I'll certainly keep your name on the list there.

I'm willing to intern.

Yeah, you'll get a lot of us requesting that, I think. It'll be a long line.

That's great, though. I appreciate the input.

Here we have a comment I want to pull up from Sonny. Sunny's been one we've been talking about bringing more sports people on. She says, yes, James, dearly love what Manchester United is doing with the Hangouts feature. Sports is starting to make inroads here on G+. We had talked about that with her. She was a guest on and she does a lot with Tweeter— Twitter, Twitter, Twitter, can't even say it right anymore— Twitter. Sports is bigger than that. I think once they start to embrace this and see the technology, what they can do, you're going to start seeing more and more live sports coming across. It would have been great to have done the Olympics in and all these things we didn't get to see on some of these Hangout feeds. I don't think NBC would be probably screaming about it or whoever is sponsoring it because they'd lose out on all the commercial aspect of it. It would be nice for the people that are actually interested in the sport.

The other thing which I was looking at recently and having ideas, I don't know if you guys were able because of the time difference to see much of the Winter Olympics. But I think I mentioned at the start, one of my big passions is the technology world. And we do a lot of work with helicopter drone footage. And if any of you guys were— in England, we were so happy. We got a bronze for the first time since, I don't know, 1912 or something silly like this on snow. And that's quite rare for us in the UK. We don't get that. So we got really excited by the snowboarding. And if you watched on the snowboarding, they were having helicopter drones flying along trying to get this footage, because these guys were doing crazy stuff. I think even in training they had 3 people concussed. It puts Major League Football and soccer to shame. But what I found fascinating and what I was thinking about was the fact that you could livestream this helicopter drone footage through Hangouts to give people complete live footage of this sort of stuff going on through Hangouts. That's the convergence of technology with stuff like what Google+ is doing. I mean, that sort of stuff is just—

I've been thinking, James, actually, it's funny you mention drones. At the conference, it might be interesting to have a drone at the conference being able to livestream it in sort of a new perspective that's unusual, but able to—

I can be that.

OK. You'll fly the drone for us?

No, no, no. Just hang Ray upside down. With a camera.

OK. Makes that intern spot not look quite as fascinating.

No, that was super cool. I watched a lot of the Olympics because actually our TV station here, CBC, had an app. And so while I was working, I put it on my iPad and watched everything that was going on. And you know, we did pretty good. I mean, Canada came up pretty well there. And I really want to apologize to my American friends that we won both the ladies' and the men's hockey.

Ah, okay, okay.

But you know, I'm a Canadian, so I won't brag.

Well done.

Well done.

We're happy you kept it on the continent at least.

Yeah, right.

I tell you, just talking about this live streaming again, one of the companies I do some consulting with, they did— if you guys like your fashion, there was London Fashion Week just 2 weeks ago. And we were experimenting with live video feeds from the front row of London Fashion Week. And Topshop, who are a company here in the UK— I think they're global now— they gave 5 competition winners the ability to sit on the front row of London Fashion Week. And what they did is they used a live video feed using a camera with more than 180 degrees worth of perspective. And they sat them on Oxford Street, which is our main shopping street in London. In the front of the windows with virtual reality headsets on.

Oh, wow.

And they streamed the live footage into the VR headsets so that the people were able to look around and be on the front row with all the superstars of London Fashion Week. Now, again, if you think about the Hangout capability of doing exactly that, this sort of stuff is getting unbelievably interesting.

When does Hangouts stop being Hangouts and become TV?

I hope soon. I think it will be done. I think I've seen some newscasters use Hangouts and have guests on live.

You just keep pushing the envelope and keep pushing the boundaries, right, in what we can do on this platform.

And when people start realizing what you can do with things like Chromecast, you can really replace your cable television and your satellite television with a kind of a Hangout type deal. You can stream YouTube videos right to your TV with this little $30 you know, app. It's pretty amazing.

They need to set it up for live though. You cannot do it live yet.

Right now.

Because I have to try that. Yeah. So if they could set that up, that would be awesome.

I'm pretty sure, because the API just got released not too long ago, so there's going to be a lot of new apps coming that I think hopefully will start developing some live features.

Yeah.

Sounds good.

Was that with Glass there, John?

Sorry, I was just looking at a comment on I think that they released the Chrome API, like the Chromecast API. So you'll be able to do stuff like that. I'm not sure how that would integrate with Glass. I don't have any Glass.

It's definitely not live at the moment, because we've looked at it from the property side, where you can do live property viewings, walking around a property with Glass on. There are— Vuzix is one option. It's another form of head-mounted display, which you can do live streaming through. That's been demonstrated by— actually, we've done a demonstration on that. But Glass is minutes away. It must be. It's the most natural use of Glass. Yeah.

Speaking of Glass, there was something in the paper this week about someone that was accosted— I think it was in San Francisco— for wearing Glass.

Oh, wow.

People got adamant with them. They thought they were recording them. They got all bent out of shape. And I don't know if it came to a physical altercation as well. But some people are taking great offense to Glass. People wearing them because they think their privacy is being invaded.

That is an interesting aspect to all this, Jeff. I think a lot of people are concerned with privacy issues, and, you know, as this technology changes so rapidly, I think people kind of get the feeling of almost being underwater, like we don't really understand what's going on, you know. So I think there are definitely some privacy concerns, but that's interesting.

I think it's misunderstanding.

Yeah, I agree. It is, it's tough because it's changing so quickly and people, again, they feel maybe disoriented. They don't know what's going on.

It's quick.

Well, and just perspective. I mean, really, is it just that it's more visual that they see it out there versus like how many cameras there actually really are on?

Good point.

I think it's exactly that, Pepper. I think it's the fact that it's so obvious. You know, it's like someone coming up to you with a video camera or an old camera, you know, it's You know, it's different when you see someone with Glass and you know that's recordable. You might feel uneasy where, yeah, I mean, we take the ambiguous video cameras on the street poles and all that kind of— we don't even think about them. But this is a very personal thing. This is another person coming to you with something that's recordable. So I can understand that uneasiness.

I think you're going to start to see more companies putting them out too. I think Samsung's got something rolling soon, but it doesn't have the video recording capability. But I would think people wouldn't know that just because Glass does. I think we're going to see more companies coming forward with it. The biggest problem I see, because we have a few people, some explorers here in Orlando, so I've gotten to see Glass firsthand, was that the battery life of them is just not very long.

Yeah, I heard that.

I can tell you now, the battery life of Glass, if you're using it in the augmented space, i.e., to give you an example, Audi have hacked into Glass, and you can look at an engine And it'll basically superimpose the manual of how to do oil changes and all this sort of stuff. So you can basically say, right, flick, flick, flick, oil change, yes. You can look at your engine, and it will superimpose arrows on where the dipstick is or where to put the oil. And it will have little cans too. So it's basically changing the way that manuals are being used. But to get back onto the question, it had a battery life of 15 minutes. And then you're looking at 30 minutes to then charge. There's a big problem there with storage.

We need new battery technology yet. We still come across— I'm sure you come across the same thing with your drones. They don't last that long in flight. You'd want them to last for an hour, but you've got 20 minutes sometimes.

Yeah, and cold weather's the worst one. But actually, Allison Heath put up an interesting point about Glass, which, Sheff, I hope you don't mind me just bringing up. No, please, bring it up. Concern with is the radiation right by the head? I mean, surely we've got that with mobile phones at the moment, but it's a good point. If it's always there, it could be an issue, right?

Yeah. I think there's a lot of studies done with cell phones and the radiation being right next to your head that there's some concerns for sure. I think there's some evidence of need for concern as well.

Absolutely. Here's a comment from Nazim. He goes he was at—, this week at the Earl Court Tech event, and the Wi-Fi was horrible, no Hangouts possible at all without a proper 4G connection. And I want to know if you were there, James.

No, I wasn't, but these guys have got to wake up and smell the coffee a little bit. I really believe it's quite funny, we were discussing this with Martin Shervington and Ronnie Binzer because Martin is going to the Social Media Marketing World conference, I think that's San Diego. Yes. I found that quite interesting that they are not using Hangouts to— you have a virtual tour, a virtual ticket price, and you've got to wait 10 days for them to record all of the presentations, for them to edit them, and then to put them live on the website. And I went to Martin and said, this is amazing. And to Ronnie, I said, you know, why are they not using Hangouts for live streams of this stuff to paid guests? Because their argument was, it's going to take us 10 days because we want to make sure it's not going to cost us too much money. And I'm going, hang on, they're looking at it the wrong way around. If you've got a live stream with Google+, it's ostensibly free. But these conferences have got to wake up and smell that, because it's an unbelievable facility. And the days of charging hundreds of pounds and hundreds of dollars for Wi-Fi connections and plug-ins for the conference organizers, that's got to go. That's got to go.

Yeah, I think more people start seeing Google+ as a formidable force in the marketplace. I mean, the social media conference I'm sure is going to be talking about Google+, but is it specializing on that the way it should or are they talking more about other social media aspects? I don't think we still get the respect that Google+ deserves in a lot of these arenas.

Social Media Examiner has to be brought in kicking and screaming into the into the Google+ world. They're very, very slow on picking that up. So I'm not surprised that Hangouts didn't pop into their heads at all. In fact, I don't even know, is there someone actually speaking? Is Martin speaking at the conference?

I believe he is.

Yeah, he's got a bit part, I think was his terminology. Yeah.

So I mean, because I remember I had written a note to Michael Stelzner and asking, because I saw the agenda when it first came out. There's a huge gaping hole there. There's no Google+ speakers and there's so many facets of Google+. I asked him and he said, "Well, nobody really was interested in it. When they did their survey, nobody mentioned Google+." I think it's a perception thing.

There's a lot of PR that needs to— well, that's happening just natively in media about Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, all these bigger names because they've been around a little longer. But by active user count, you can see Google+ is clearly there. I think it's just that the major media outlets or whatever, they're kind of lagging. And so people's perception haven't quite caught up with reality yet.

You know what I mean? That's all going to change now, John, with American Idol being on Google+.

I saw that. Are they really?

Wow. Yeah, you can vote for your American Idol contestants. Now you know we've made it. We've crossed over.

That's what I thought. I said that.

Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, certainly in— Bringing in a question from Scott, which just ties in that American Idol thing, which I can't believe. You know, this is a good philosophical point. You know, what happens when the home viewer cannot distinguish between the two? I mean, that would be pretty powerful stuff.

Yeah, and it's not that far away with virtual reality and the connection between, you know, well, this whole idea of the singularity. Good grief, that's an interesting topic. There's people who are projecting that by 2045 we'll actually have body surrogates that we'll be able to upload our consciousness into. And that sounds like crazy science fiction, but there are people who believe it.

I heard Rod Sterling's voice somewhere, ain't it?

You know, I have been thinking lately that Google needs to adopt that— I don't know if you're Trekkie fans— but the old Borg motto, "Prefer to be assimilated. Resistance is futile." Is that Borg, or is that—

that sounds like Doctor Who as well. No, that was the Borg on Star Trek. But the thing is though, okay, say all this happens but nobody's on Google+ and I say nobody's saying, you know, and at home watching, being on Hangouts On Air, is that going to matter? I had a lunch meeting yesterday with somebody, he has a marketing firm and they have a lot of huge clients and he was kind of like asking me questions about Google+ and I said, well, what's your clients? And I said, I don't see any, I don't see your marketing firm there, I don't see your clients there. He said, well, no. Nobody wants to know about it. No one came up to us and asked us, how do we use Google+ for our marketing? I said, well, as a leader, as a marketing guy, shouldn't it be your place to actually say, listen, there's this great platform here, this great network that would help you with your content, with your search, and all that kind of stuff. They're busy doing what they've always done, you know, buy advertising on social platforms.

That's going to catch up to a lot of them, I think. You know, as companies really kind of get what this platform is capable of, there's going to be competition just light years ahead of other people who haven't quite caught on yet. And so it's going to be quite interesting, I think, moving forward. And really, we hope with this conference to present to businesses in a real way what this platform is capable of.

Here's from Nazim, "So true, John Tietrich and Ray Hels. Once that happens, we'll see the G+ logo in every car commercial." Now, isn't Toyota selling cars through Google Hangouts now too? They might be a good one to approach for the conference.

Yeah, definitely. We'll be looking into them because they are one of those first beta testers for that kind of opportunity. I think they also use those Plus post ads, which are also in beta, where you can embed a social stream in any Google AdWords partner. You'll be able to watch Hangouts directly in an ad space.

That just blows my mind. That's a whole— game changer. You're talking about— because someone, the guy I talked to actually, had cited a survey that's saying people don't want to see ads in their stuff anymore. What they want to see, if they do see ads, they want to see ads that are entertaining, that are interactive, that are sexy, whatever that is. And so Google is doing this and putting exactly what that survey said people want to see in their ads. So especially if it's a video or a Hangout, you can imagine you're on some website looking, whatever, you see this thing in the corner that has a video and you open it up and you can actually leave a comment. You know, saying this is great or this is crap or whatever, but that's a huge jump ahead.

Or there's a live event going on like what we've got here, and there are people talking about what you're looking at, and you can interact with them and say, hey, what do you think about this? Or whatever. It's—

yeah, they're very agile. Just a point on that Toyota move. The week after the— it's called the Collaborator tool— and the week after the Collaborator tool was released, we did a Hangout with some of the the guys from the Hangout Mastery group talking with the designers of the Collaborator tool, the guys, the creative team who actually built the whole thing. So John, I'll try and get a link on the stream afterwards to the Hangout video of that, because that's about a 45-minute discussion about how they got the project, because it was a combined project with Saatchi and Saatchi, what Toyota thought about it, and sort of moving it all the way through as to the motivations behind the build of the Toyota app. And then I'm still trying to catch up with my data providers. We do a lot of social analytics. And one of the big things for me is the +Post, which you mentioned. We've done an analysis on how well those +Posts have gone. One of my big things is I want to compare how well +Posts have gone versus, say, the Facebook advertising and the moves that they're— and the changes that they're doing. And just do a comparison, because from early indications are that they were phenomenally good. Phenomenally good.

Because of that level of interaction. That's amazing, yeah. I'd be very interested in both those links and any information you come up with for that comparison, particularly.

I'm still trying to tie us down on this data Hangout to discuss how the Toyota Plus posts have gone. But I'll let you know as soon as that happens. But the one criticism that I've had and I've seen in some of the discussions have been that Why is it only— I think there's only two, and I could be completely wrong, but there's only two that I know of who've beta tested the +Posts on Google+. And there's a lot of people out there saying, well, but why can't the little guys do it? We're setting up Google+ for all these little companies. And I think Kara Wood has just mentioned it here, that she's setting up smaller clients with Google+ because it gives them a step over the large guys. But then why can't these smaller guys within Google+ actually take advantage of some of the cool stuff that Google are doing?. And I think that's one of the small little bits of criticism which have come out.

That's a very good point.

They don't have a big ad budget.

Yeah, that's— you think Toyota paid for that?

No way. Well, yeah, right.

All right, we have— I also want to bring up my sister Thelma's in the house. Mia Voss, you got her. Whoa, buddy. Body Sergas, she's trippy. She's nerding out there.

So, uh, yeah, actually, Google hired Ray Kurzweil in December of 2012, and, um, Kurzweil is this sort of futurist, is the term for them, and he really believes in this stuff, man. It's, it's very interesting to kind of track and watch and be aware of. There's a lot, there's some crazy stuff going on out there right now.

Well, I just always get this vision of a lot of Google employees sitting around in beanbag chairs going, like, what do you want to invent today? Yeah, right? Let's go play some some foosball and then come back and invent something really cool.

They just rolled out that Google Phone, I think it's Google Phone, which is, it's got the ability to look at things in 3D now. And that's got huge ramifications in the property industry. So you basically hold the viewfinder up and it will recognize depth and size and shape. And that's a really interesting big, big move that suddenly You and I, when we're using our phones, everything is in 2D. But if suddenly you're able to get that depth perception in there, that changes the whole move. I mean, Apple have already got it. They've got chips. They've bought an Israeli chip manufacturer, which again are looking at using phones as 3D— I don't even know. It's so technical. It's way over my head. But it's a big move, 3D mobiles. Wow.

Yeah, I saw that they just released 200 devices to developers. It's like coming sooner than I think maybe even I would have thought. Initially, I was like, oh, this is some new thing because I'd never heard of it, right? But it's apparently been fairly long in development. I mean, there's a lot to it. Well, who's the market for this? I don't know.

I mean, 3D TVs— I think gplusgeek.com. There you go. I mean, because 3D TVs fell a bit flat, right? That didn't really go anywhere. So who would want a 3D mobile phone? And what, you know, like, whoa, look, man, this is like real, you know.

I guess a lot of it will depend on the implementation. I mean, I'm remembering many, many years ago, Nintendo came out with the Virtual Boy, and it was like, you know, this little VR thing. It was black and red, but it was like, it was cool, but no one could join you in it. It was like only you in this VR. And so maybe a phone that could be 3D, but also you could interact with the world around you, and it wasn't like all in your face. I could see that being interesting, popular, you know.

I think, and I could be wrong on this, but somebody I read a comment about was talking about the ability with blind people who have dogs at the moment. If you are giving them the ability to build a 3D environment that as they're walking around, it updates in real time to say, no, there's a stool in front of you. So it's recognizing real-time streamed 3D data, that there is an angle from that. I don't understand it, but I read something about that. There's also the angle from, let's say again, real estate, which is if you're giving realtors around the world the ability to literally walk into a house, walk around with— and it's Project Tango, Google Tango. Craig has mentioned that. Thanks, Craig. As you're walking around to show the phone, and you're building the 3D data stream of the room that you are in, all of a sudden a realtor has the ability to build that property in complete 3D visualization and processes it up to the web. So building floor plans, building 3D floor plans, building real life-size models of these properties can suddenly be done within a mobile phone which they're just walking around with. So there's certain little applications on the side which I need to understand a little bit more about, but that's some basic ones.

Well, that does get interesting when you do look at optical, which I haven't done optical in a year, but I mean, they were working on chips for people who are blind to be able to see, and I'm wondering if they do need that concept of 3D to help them get that technology a little bit farther. And I really do like the concept where you're talking about where, you know, they could have a device or something with them that could let them know that, you know, there's something in front of them, or, you know, I mean, you could get— you could really take, like, if it's a phone device, you could take it to a whole other step where it could talk to I mean, they could maybe even walk on the street and have it talk to other devices, like to tell them not to cross the street or when to cross the street, you know. So that'd be interesting to see if they are looking at it for a perspective for people who are blind.

If they could get the, the battery to work longer, the Google Glass concept there would work great for blind people, you know, if it was just talking to them, telling them everything the whole time. I agree. Absolutely. Yeah, it could see what was out there, and you can benefit from that. I had talked to someone about a battery pack, like videographers when they go out and film stuff. In the old days, I'm talking about when we used to go out with those belts on with our batteries in them, and you'd plug your stuff into that to run it. There should be something simple and small. They have all those chargers they have now for phones and things that you can get extra charges on. They should be able to make some kind of a small battery pack for Glass or something.

Or maybe even something that would charge as you walk, so like a kinetic thing. Solar power, here we go.

But don't you think this is kind of interesting, Chef, that we come up with all the— people are just moving and moving fast ahead, ahead, come all these new technologies and all that, but we forget about the other stuff, like we're still running cars on gasoline, you know? You know, and you say nothing— the battery life of anything is really short. That's such a basic need for— to support this technology that they're inventing. It blows my mind that, say, Google, for instance, doesn't come sent a whole bunch of technicians and engineers on that particular project. Let's develop a cell that either regenerates itself or has at least a longer life to support Google Glass and Google Phone, etc.

Well, there was an 18-year-old I thought I remember reading about a year ago that won some science fair for developing a battery that could be recharged in seconds. I saw that, yeah.

He was using graphene, I think. Yeah, which is very interesting. I wish we—

yeah, but then I think, I think a knock came to the door from Duracell, then he disappeared.

I don't know where he went.

That's the same thing with the car industry. I'm sure we'd have cars that didn't run on gasoline if it wasn't for the oil people and, and the fact that Detroit would have to retool all of its car factories, you know.

I just saw something posted about these Zipcars and shareable rides, how they're kind of impacting auto manufacturers. Because people are like, I don't need a new car every year when I can just use one among 15, 20, I think it was 30 vehicles per 1 year. 32, yeah. So it's like, wow, you know, let's do that.

And I belong to a communauté, in Montreal it's called communauté, and it's a kind of car sharing thing. We live in the city, I live pretty well downtown, so I don't need a car. We got rid of our car when we moved downtown, and it's great. You know, if you live in an urban area and you have public transit, we have a metro or subway, it doesn't make any sense to pay all that extra money on registration and gas and maintenance, etc., etc., you know. And also it's better for the environment.

Oh yeah, absolutely. I think it's a great idea. I don't live in a metropolitan area myself, you know, out in Mississippi, probably about 250,000 people around me. But even with that number of people, it can be done. I mean, certainly, and I really like the idea of conserving resources and saving time, saving money. I mean, it's a good idea. I like it a lot.

Can I just bring up Craig's comment here? Because it just goes back to that Google Tango, just another application. So they're going to map everything on the planet. That's quite scary. In 3D. So Google Maps on speed, basically.

Well, I want to be outside when they're over top so I can wave to it. Because I'm tired of getting pictures of just my house empty with a car in it. I mean, that freaks me out as it is. Oh my God, there's the car, where was I? Weren't there YouTube videos of that Google Mobile that was driving around and people would be chasing it down the street and things, trying to get in the filming of when they were doing the pictures for Google Maps?

Just crazy. Can you imagine this time? Can you imagine the people who now know what Google do and they now see the Google car driving around with the 3D thing on it. I mean, the fun people could have.

I've seen one. I've seen a Google Maps car driving around outside of my work here. They're funny to see.

Perhaps we need to start selling ad space on our homes and cars, so when they do drive by, it says, "Buy Toyota." And we could even use some LED paneling and have live Hangouts streaming on vehicles.

Or just put one of those big huge Google Map pins on our door.

There you go.

Let's have fun with Google. I don't know how their sense of humor would run though, so sometimes I wonder. Pepper, let's talk to you a little bit about what you do. You've been sitting here getting in conversation, but what are you doing?

Well, I'm not as technical as you guys. I know a lot of it because my husband is really into it, and so like, you know, you talk about the becoming a Borg. We've actually had conversations about that. You know, where does your soul go? At what point do you not have a soul anymore? I think that's called Facebook now.

But I'm more of a blogger.

I've been, you know, so my technology is all about blogging. I've been blogging since 1998. Wow. It wasn't even called blogging then. I started on a little site called Diaryland. Blogger had not existed. It was not owned by Google. So I do a lot of blogging. I work with a lot of moms that are mom bloggers. And so that's kind of what I work with. And then I'm on Google+. My thing is that I feel like if there's something new out there, you need to figure it out and figure out how can you use it. And a lot of people are really scared of Google+, especially in my community. So I do things like I'll do live Hangouts, but I won't put them live so that other people can come and join me and see what it's like, see what it looks like from their point of view. So that's one of the reasons I wanted to do this is I love just trying to figure out from my perspective all this stuff. So I'm trying to become— like I'm saying that I want to become a Hangouts expert, but there's some really great people out there. So for me to say that is kind of silly. My circles, though, I am an expert because, like, I had somebody the other day, "I was invited to a Hangout. What do I need to do?" So they need, like, even just basic information. So, um, and some— I'm really good at, like, breaking it down to basics, you know, um, really simple, like, "Okay, you're gonna need to click this, and you're gonna need to go in, make sure you have everything downloaded." And so I think sometimes you need those middle people, like, you know, you have the tech guys like you guys, and you need somebody that's kind of in the middle that knows enough technology, enough of that stuff that they can talk to other people a little bit more layman terms, easy terms, you know, bring it down to how they can understand it and stuff. So that's kind of stuff I work on.

I don't consider myself a tech guy at all. I mean, I think I'm that middle person too. I'm the first one to say on a good day I can spell SEO. Mark Traffagen loves when I say that. And I always, you know, I have friends that know things. I know a guy that knows a guy that knows things. Coming from New Jersey, although I'm not in New Jersey, I learned about that. But yeah, it's a matter of surrounding yourself with those people that know. And Pepper, you're doing a great service, you know, and you are a Hangout expert. By the time you get done explaining it 100 times, you know it, you know. So you are that expert. It's just a matter of approaching it that way and just keeping yourself— you know, we need more people doing that. And because people are afraid of it, it just It just freaks me out and they're bright people. It's not like we're talking like all these bloggers, it's not like we're talking to people that don't have a clue. They can set up a blog, they can post, they can take pictures, they can do all this other stuff but yet when it comes to Google+ they're like shaking in their boots over it. It's crazy.

I think the issue there and I run into that, it is complicated. First of all I join you, I'm totally not a techie at all. I have friends and that's how I survive. I'm a strategist, and that's what I did, that's what I've done or do in the social media field, but also in Google+, because I don't think you can approach Google+ as a simple single platform. This is like the internet. If someone says, oh, explain Google+ to me, you might as well ask me to explain the internet and semantic web and semantic search, because that's what we're talking about here. So when someone asks, the reason they're, I think, afraid of Google+ is number one, there's technical issues with Hangouts because they gravitate to Hangouts because it's obvious and it's very Skype-like. And then there is a lot of technology there. I mean, you know, our friend Ronnie's got a career based on that. But I think the other thing is that, okay, now we have Hangouts, but then how do you do these circle stuff, you know? How do you do the lead generation stuff? How does the content marketing thing work, the SEO? If I write this kind of post and I format it, does it go onto my blog? I mean, there's so many facets, and I think, you know, with any kind of strategy, you have to know what your business goals are, be very focused on what you want to achieve, and just tackle one of them. You know, say, okay, I'm going to use Hangouts for my content marketing because using a Hangout, I have that relationship building thing, I've got a video at the end of it that I can slice and dice like Scott, you know, the Scott treatment does, and I have content that can live for a long time. That's it. If you want to work on lead generation, then there's the whole content marketing aspect of doing blog posts and how you do the blog posts and how you share to your other sites. That's, I think, why it's overwhelming. And I think— go ahead, John.

I was just going to say that I think there's two aspects with Google, which is number one is the complications of the platform itself. I think that is complicated anyway. And I think the second bit— excuse me— is the Hangouts, the very nature of a Hangout, which is some people are just not comfortable with a camera. But the way that I say it to a lot of the clients that I deal with an awful lot— and Pepa, I suppose this might be something that you talk about with your guys— is when I try and describe it to people, I just say, to me, it's a bit like a marriage, which is you've got some platforms which, do you know what, they're just there, and they just work, and they just get on with it, and you're used to how they work, and you just carry on every single day, it's the same. With Google+, the way that I say it with people, it's like a high-maintenance marriage. It's like the most beautiful, gorgeous wife you could ever imagine. She's an unbelievable thing. But you know what? It's a nightmare. You always argue. You're passionate. You're fiery. It's just unbelievable. So you get a nice marriage, and then you get the real fiery ones. But you know what? It's bloody good. And that's what I always say about Google+. It's the high-maintenance marriage, but you get so much more out of it. And that's the way I try and describe it with my clients who are struggling to understand the different bits, which is put the effort in and you'll get an amazing amount back from your high-maintenance marriage.

But it does take that effort. Yeah, absolutely. I think that's one of the things we're trying to do at G+ Geek is to sort of bridge that gap, Pepper, like you're trying to do between this ridiculously Ferrari of a social media platform and your general Facebook user. I'm on Facebook, I've got friends on Facebook, I've got nothing against it, it's fine, but it's not Google+. They are very, very different. I think a lot of people are used to Facebook and they're used to that paradigm, and to jump into Google+, it's like, "Well, right, what are circles? What are Hangouts? What are all these features and tools and things? I don't want anything to do with it, I'm going away." It's like one of those things. I'm glad of what you're doing because I think it can be used by a lot of bloggers. The tools and features and everything of the Ferrari, once you learn to drive it, people can really step up and do a lot more with it.

Then you can enjoy those rich leather seats and just let it mold your body and feel the wind in what little hair you have left. That's great.

Well, and I think that's actually kind of interesting is that I think also what I try to explain to people, like these new bloggers, to me they're new bloggers, and I try to explain to them that if you're an early adopter of something like this, you've actually had all this other time to learn, whereas other people, once it starts really like, you know, there's people like, "Wait, I have to be on there." You've already spent a year or 6 months learning everything behind it, and you become the expert. You know how to make everything work. You know how to leverage it. I think that's my other goal is to just try and show them it is going to be hard. It is going to take work, but that's because you're an early adopter. Also, you have to explain to them that Google does change everything. That is one thing. That you do have to get used to, but then Facebook does too.

They change it in a bad way.

They change it for the shareholders now. They have to move for the bucks. I think that's the big thing.

Why the hell did they buy that billion— how many billion dollars did they pay for that chat?

$19 billion for WhatsApp.

Do they know something?

I think it's a brilliant move on their part.

It's the users, they bought the users. That's right. It's a different demographic for them.

They're hoping to expand into a whole new market.

They bought this app that's cross-platform, so they're not locked into Android or iOS or anything else. So they have all those people, now they have all those people across all these platforms. And so how they're going to do that, how they're going to monetize that, it's a long game, right? I mean, $19 billion, we're not talking about looking at ROI next month. They have plans, and I think if you've got the pockets, go for it.

I know that my husband was telling me that there's some talk that they may have some other mind working behind the scenes where they're realizing that everybody hates Facebook. I mean, everybody says they hate Facebook. They have a brand problem. Yeah, so they're making some plans. Behind the scenes maybe that they're going to be grabbing up all these other things and doing something else.

I was thinking maybe they're going to do a Pepper, I thought maybe they're going to do kind of a Facebook version of Hangouts where only Hangouts are on the Google platform, but if they had a message system like Hangout, you know, HVCs and Hangouts on Air, that would be cross-platform, that would be a huge competitor for Hangouts for Google.

Well, they do have Skype. I actually have blogger friends who have tried doing basically the Hangout thing on Facebook because they have all the followers on Facebook. I've had people who actually tried using Facebook for Hangout kind of like a Twitter party but on Facebook, and they were using that kind of stuff. Actually, I think the group that was doing it actually ended up coming over to Google+.

Well, that's how you do it. You have to go out there and be a missionary, right? You got to go out there where the heathens are. Yeah.

Well, and actually, if I've noticed what they're doing, that group is actually really hitting Google+ hard, and that is where they're trying to bring their followers is onto Google+. Though they do have a very large Twitter following, so it would be interesting to see. Because in my circles, Google+ Most people that I know may be on Google+, they probably put their picture up, and they probably have their blog auto-posting. For me, it's painful. My feed can be really painful at times because I have people that just auto-post their blog posts. They don't even add a comment, nothing. It's just a link.

I think that other social platforms have taught them bad habits. You know, you can do that on Twitter and you can do reasonably well, at least you used to be able to. But now people are expecting more and they ought to because it's just not interesting. You know, you've got your own unique perspective, show it, you know, please.

May I ask a question then to Pepper and to John, I think, probably on this, which is Pepper, when you're talking to these mommy bloggers, which by the way, I love that term, I just want to be a dad blogger, that's what I want to be.

They hate it.

I want to be recognized as a dad blogger. But what is it, the mom bloggers?

I love that. Yeah, let's start that up.

We'll start that up as a thing. Do you recommend that they start blogging on Google+, as in write the actual posts within Google+ and then share out? Or to the people that you're liaising with, are you saying, hey, look, start your WordPress blog and link it back from Google+ to WordPress because there's a big philosophical side with that. So I just wanted to sort of see what you think.

Most people I know already have their WordPress blog. They probably have had it for at least 1 to 2 years because they are starting to monetize. And so no, they're not going to blog onto Google+. But I have been really pushing— like, I was I think I watched a Hangout with Dennis Littley that he did talking about if you have a recipe, share the recipe on the Google+ post. Maybe not put the directions but share what is in it. Basically adding more content and then bringing them over to your blog.

I add the whole thing when I do it and there are some bloggers blogging on it but I was saying to put the recipe and the instructions. And then one of my friends had told me, Greg Trullio and Carolyn Caperna had mentioned that what you want to put after you do that is for— because can you go to your blog and print the recipe? I said, yeah, of course you can. I said, well then the tag you want to put then is for a printable copy of this recipe, click here. Now they're going to my blog because they want the printable copy, not because I'm saying you have to go there to get this. Recipe, which turns people off. But I've been doing that with— I haven't been blogging regularly. I tell people I need to keep getting back into it, but it's been hard since I moved. There's so much to do here in Florida. But my hits keep going up and up on old stuff, and I've been sharing complete recipes with complete instructions and a good picture. You know, and it's just— I'll get 150 to 1,000 likes and anywhere from 25 to 200 shares. You know, it depends on how it runs. So I think it's an option that bloggers need to look at. It's a cardinal sin usually when we mention that because you're giving the house away. Alright, but I think on Google+ as it is now, that the people— it's a different whole set of different people, and I think you're going to start to see some really good results from it. Plus the implications of all the comments, all the +1s, all the shares adding to your trust factor which are going to drive you up even higher with everything else. You don't have to give them all away. How many of us have been blogging for how long? How many posts do we have? If we did one a week, you know, it's not going to kill us and it's going to live on forever on the search engine there too anyway.

I think it's important to keep both. I mean, because as we talked about, you know, in the green room before, how Hangouts are changing so rapidly and Google+ is changing and modifying itself. You know, if you have one strategy that's working on Google+ for a while and then all of a sudden something changes, you're kind of left in the dirt, you know. But if you have your blog and your Google+, you can do— your blog is sort of more your own, you know, and I think it's important to keep that separate, especially if you're doing this professionally. If you're trying to monetize and make any money, I think it's important to keep the two separate. But certainly, I mean, even with embedding posts, you know, you can you can show people on your blog how interactive Google+ can be by just clicking that little button that lets you embed the post and people can sort of interact on Google+ from your blog. So there's even pretty close connections you can make.

Your blog post is your office, right? That's your workspace. That's where you want people to go and buy things and to convert into customers and all that. And I think especially with authorship, I think As you say, Chef, you can write the whole post on Google+, it's still yours, you're the author of that post, so you're going to have all that authority wrapped into that. But you want to send people to your place of business if you're doing business, and your place of business is your blog, is your actual website. So I think that's where the difference is. I think it depends on what your goals are. Again, if your business, your website is your place of business, then you have to send people there.— and I think that's brilliant, saying go there to print out the recipe because that gives them a real motivation to do that. That's different than what they see on Google+. Right, you've already—

go ahead. I was going to say, actually it's interesting you talk about that because the goal for the bloggers that I work with is actually they do not sell things on their blog. What they do is they actually get sponsors for their posts. So what you're talking about actually is really interesting thinking about it, that when I explain it to them that they should do it on Google+, Google+, you know, have that post because really what they're looking for is more traffic for the company that sponsored them. And, you know, so they're going to get that authority on Google+, get the traffic back to the blog post, which all they need is the hit. That's it. They don't even care if they stay that long. I mean, they do a little bit, but they're not looking for them to keep clicking. It gets the name of the brand that they're representing out there in a whole other way, too. I've been trying to explain to them that it's really going to affect their SEO. I do have a question for you guys. A lot of people are suggesting putting a link to pin an item. I actually suggested that for somebody's post, and they actually berated me for it. Oh. Which is another thing, don't berate people on Google+, especially when they're trying to help you. But they were telling me that I guess Google, if you put more than one link into a Google+ post, that it counts against you?

Well, not exactly against you. I guess you're talking about SEO here. I think when you make a post and you embed a link in the text of that post, that is a nofollow link, but if you put it in down where you click to add the link, that can be a follow link. But if you do more than one link, that may sort of— I hate to say it, but maybe confuse the algorithm into changing how it ranks that post.

I believe, John, if you have just one link in the text of the post, that it works as an embedded link. Yes. And you will have the link used to that. But if you put in multiple links—

Full link. It's got to be a full link. It can't be a Bitly or a Google link. I think it's got to be the full one. Yeah.

So it's still OK if you do the full link in it? It won't count? I don't even understand why it would count against you, because honestly, I get like 80% of my traffic from Pinterest. So I'm actually more interested in getting people to my Pinterest from Google+ than even to my blog. So for me—

I don't think it's going to count against you. No, don't worry about that.

It's a good post, though. I saw— I used it for the first time, maybe even yesterday, and it was so easy for people to go directly to a Pinit post. And people who are berating you for doing it, I just think that's crazy because, I mean, Pinterest, what is it, one of the fastest growing social media sites, one of the stickiest social media sites. And highest referrals. Yeah, and especially if you're— I think there's been some predictions that this year it might overturn its demographic criteria, but I mean, I think 70% of users on Pinterest were women. So if you're looking at that market segment, then it makes absolutely perfect sense for now to use the— Yeah, I have posts going viral.

I have posts going viral there, whereas, you know, I mean, when you have like 80 to 90% of your traffic going from there, that's your real focus. I do Google+ because I love it. Not because I'm getting tons of traffic from it. I love it and I enjoy the whole aspect behind it.

So—

Craig Foster brings up a good point about that multiple link in a single post. There you go. It won't pass the +1s back through to the link that is embedded in the post. So if you do multiples and you're looking for that activity, it won't happen. But if you do one one link in the body, then it will pass those +1s back to whatever is being linked to. So there you go. Okay, there's your answer. But again, I mean, if you're not looking for those +1s, Pepper, I mean, if you just want people to click through to your Pinterest board, I mean, absolutely. You know, more than one is okay. It's not going to penalize you for sure.

It would be interesting to see how many people are really going through that Pin It for Later because I see that a lot. See how— I don't know if there's a way to track who's going to Pinterest from Google+ because that would be the real tell of it on if it really works or not. Because if it doesn't, there's no sense of being there. Now there's the new tool for Chrome which lets you have that pin button and you can pull up a whole page of Google+ now. So is it even necessary? Or you can hover over the picture and post it right from there. Although it says from Google, it doesn't give you if you want to be nice, you have to put in whose picture it was or whatever. So we have a question here too from Wendy Del Monte for John. Please tell more about embedding the post.

Oh yeah, so if you'll notice in your stream, you can— there's a little arrow on the right-hand side of your posts. If you click that, there's a little dropdown selection where you can see the link to that post or several other options. Right there you can click to embed the post, and they will give you a little code snippet. You just copy that code snippet over into, like, your WordPress blog or wherever you're putting it, and you just embed it. It's kind of like embedding a YouTube video, and it's really easy. So I hope that makes sense.

But actually, can I ask you a question on that, John? Because I have a continued problem with my WordPress site when this happens. When I copy and paste the code for an embedded post into the— what do they call it?

Like into a post or something?

Like you're creating— Yeah, you have the text and the visual bit of a WordPress post. And when you put it into the text space and you just copy and paste it in, when I flip back to the visual, the embedded post never shows. Yeah, it won't.

Don't worry about that, because that little WYSIWYG editor in WordPress is old and it doesn't work very well. So if you look at it live in a browser, you'll see it. It's just, I think also if you paste a YouTube video into a post and look at it in that visual editor, you won't see it either. But it is there.

Well, you'll see the block, John, but you won't actually see the video.

Yeah, right. Right. Yeah.

And half of the codes will show the block, and half of the codes won't. So— Yeah. So I'm not alone with that, right?

No. No. You're not.

And if you preview it, it may or may not show. It depends upon the code itself. Like, I've had stuff that— I put the code in there, I preview it to see what it's going to look like, and it doesn't show.

But then you publish it and maybe it will.

And I publish it and it does, because like I think Rafflecopter or one of those kind of things, they do that. And so you just have to just publish it and then see it, so.

Yeah, that's good. That's a relief, because I was looking at it and just thinking, am I going mad here? Because my YouTube clips show, but my embedded code posts from Google do not show. It's driving me nuts. You have to guess on the editing, that's the problem.

Here is a comment from Kara Woods, she says she's a fan of We Heart It. Now that is sticky sweet. Pinterest is okay, but We Heart It is my mom guilty pleasure. And then she also mentioned that they could probably find out the information we're talking about on Nodex.

Oh boy, Nodex is quite a tool.

That would be, that would be interesting to see though about the Pinterest follows and see if it works. And then David Amerland chimed in, I'm glad to see he's watching. John Dietrich is right, if there are two links in the body of the post, Google does not pass link juice from either because Google cannot decide which is more important than the other. But if you have one, it passes that link juice provided the profile that shared it has some authority to pass it on. It does not, however, count against you. You still get traffic and people coming through, and really link juice is purely SEO thing.

So there we go. Thanks for helping that, helping to clarify that, David.

I'm just glad he's watching. That's why I wanted to put it up. David Abraham is watching my show. I know. So anyway, alright, well let's go through the panel one more time. We're past the hour point and if you have anything else you'd like to talk about right now or what you're doing or what's coming up, let us know and otherwise we're going to sign off. Ray, anything coming up in your life you'd like to talk about or that you're doing?

Oh man, that I can actually say? Sure. Okay. No, just listen, I have a show every Tuesday at lunchtime, The Lunch Bunch Show. I have some of them that are watching now and James has been on it. It's one of my favorite things in the world. It's like kind of like this, you know, it's kind of chill but you get some really good information. It's kind of media at the same time. So yeah, Tuesdays at noon, check it out. And other than that, This has been really fun. Thanks very much.

Glad you could come on. Pepper, it was so nice to have you today. Anything you'd like to leave us with?

Any information? If you want to go to my blog, it's pepperscraps.com, and basically I talk about how being a healthy mom and that kind of stuff. If you want to find me on Pinterest, I'm actually Unicorn Beauty on Pinterest. It's a very old name that I've had since 1998. So, and those are two places you can find me, and I do share a lot of information on how to use Pinterest and Google+. Google+.

Excellent. Alright, John, I know you talked about the conference, and if anybody has a way to reach you about that, where should they talk to you?

Yeah, get a hold of me on Google+. I'm always here, and I'm very excited about the prospects of this conference. Planning is going well, you know, continues to go well. We're very excited about it. So if anyone has any input, any thoughts, any ideas, we're really excited to connect with you. I think I'm going to be connecting more with you, James, on that drone aspect because I really am interested in that and maybe how to use Hangouts on Air to broadcast the conference live. So I think we'll be able to connect more on some of those things. But thanks a lot, Jeff.

I appreciate it. My pleasure. Maybe we could get Amazon to donate some drones since they can't use them to deliver.

There you go.

And James, thank you so much for being on. Anything you're doing coming up or anything you'd like to you want to talk about?

Yeah, well, I'd just like to finish just by saying I still prefer the dangling ray upside down.

I think you'll get a lot of votes for that.

I just want to try it, if nothing else. That would just be fun. But no, thanks for having me on. It's a joy and a pleasure, Chef. And if nothing more, when I do a live streamed Hangout using my social media skills, my Google Glass on checking my beehives, getting stung in the process, and probably shouting expletives to the world, I'll let you know and get you in.

Absolutely, I would love that, as long as I'm not on the stinging end of the bees. That's good. Alright guys, thank you so much for coming by today. It's always a great day on Google+ and I'm glad you got to meet some new people hopefully and follow them and now you have some new friends. So I'll see you all soon and have a great day on Google+.