Good Day Google+ - Ides of March Edition

Hey there, I'm Chef Dennis Littley and welcome to Good Day Google Plus. It's always a good day on Google Plus and today I'm joined with some of my friends here and we're going to have a good time today and discuss whatever happens to cross our minds. If you guys have any questions for us, leave them in the comment box underneath and we'll do our best to answer them. For now, I'm going to start going through my panel and we're short one member today. I'm not sure if he's showing up or not. Craig Chamberlain was on but He may have run into some difficulties. I have not heard from him, so we're gonna move forward and just start the show, and if he joins us, that's great. Okay, and I'd like to introduce my friend and fellow Orlando native, Tina Willis. Hi, Tina.

So tha—

nice of you to join us today. You're looking nice and spiffy. You're not on your treadmill, you're dressed up, and you got flowers for the occasion. I'm— no Cheetos either. Do you have Cheetos with you?

Oh, thank you. No, I did— and I didn't really have Cheetos the other day. That was a little bit pretend. I was kind of I was taking it a little further than it should. Although I was trying facial yoga on my treadmill, I was not eating Cheetos.

Because I'm going, oh, that's my kind of girl. It really is. You have my heart going pitter-patter. Cheetos!

I know.

Well, that Cheetos comment was from Craig Fifield, and that was kind of a— it was a joke from an earlier— we did a show on legalization of marijuana, and he was saying that I was He said that I was handling the comment tracker like a stoner, and so then they started saying, "Pass the Cheetos," and stuff. And so anyway, it was just— that was kind of where that came from.

But absolutely, we all know lawyers would never ever smoke marijuana in a non-legalized state, or in a state of confusion possibly, but not in a non-legalized state.

Right, right.

So yeah, we had to clarify that, but No, but I thought about showing up today on my treadmill. I mean, it at least crossed my mind because people may not know, but I have a treadmill desk that I've been using for a couple weeks and I'm pretty excited. It's been great. It is a great combination with Google+. I mean, I just cannot say enough good things about it, but I figured for a hangout that wasn't really— probably not the best idea, at least not yet.

You know, I had used something like that. I hadn't gotten a treadmill desk, but I threw a piece of wood over top of my handles, and I had put a laptop there and was using it. That's how I found out my back was bad though, because I'm walking, all of a sudden I'm having pain and can't walk. I was doing it every day religiously. And then all of a sudden I was like, oh, something's wrong. So that had to curtail. So now I'm trying to work something out for my bike.

Well, they have bike desks also, but you know, you should probably go get physical therapy or get it checked out because it might be something simple. You could do little exercises and then get back to it.

But yeah.

Well, it was disc problems I did have, and I had injections, but that's a whole other— that was also a personal injury claim. Yeah, so we won't talk anymore about that.

Yeah, that's awful.

There's a great YouTube treadmill video. It's hilarious. This guy trying to build one in his own house, and he's like cutting himself. I mean, it's tragic. It's just—

oh no!

It's, I hope, a parody, but I think he really did cut himself. It was very bad. Don't build it yourself.

Actually, we did. I mean, maybe I will run into problems, but my concern, you know, the cheapest one I saw was $500, and then there are some that are like $3,000 to $5,000, but I just didn't know that I would definitely use it enough to justify anything. So my husband just got a board, a shelf, and some C-clamps, I think he called them C-clamps, some clamps. They just screw into either side, set down on it. But I mean, it's working great.

So he wasn't as inept as this guy. He definitely wasn't as inept as this guy, then that's good.

Yeah, no, no fingers were lost. So that's a good thing. Well, actually, I was looking at one of those bed tables that they have for hospitals and stuff that roll over and in and out. Because I was looking on Amazon for one of them because they go up and down and I figured you could put the computer right on that. So I was just trying to see how to get the wheels to go underneath of the bike. That was the only problem. So—

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

You need one that goes up and then swivels over.

Yeah, yeah. I'll keep looking for one of those. My office is kind of a mess right now, so we're getting to that point. But we'll come back to that. Let me move down the panel a little more, and we're gonna talk to Lori. And Lori, thank you so much for coming in after Mia's show and for also filling in for me after I made a dreaded mistake on my calendar. You know, it was bound to happen. I've been pretty good up to this point, but but I wrote the wrong name in the wrong spot. Thank you so much. It's always a pleasure to see you anyway. Any excuse to get you on camera is a good one.

Yeah, I just went from Mia's to this one.

Now you have your own at 4 o'clock.

I have my own at 4.

We won't call you— my phrase for someone who's on a lot of shows is a ho-ah, but we call it a ho.

Yeah, I got it.

We won't refer to you that way, please don't.

Why not?

I'm not on the 4th show then, I'm only on 1 show.

We'll have to come up with another name for you then, Russ.

I don't know how you're going to do it, Lori, because just 1 hangout a day, there's something about them that they just completely drain me. Maybe not being a guest, but being a host.

I think being a guest is different, for me anyway. I'm certainly just chatting really, so I can do it. It's just that while I'm doing it, I'm not getting my real work done. That's always my like, okay, well then I have to do some work this weekend.

I think we find Google+ is a big distraction though. It's a way for us to find ways not to work. Unfortunately, sometimes it's too much. I have to wean myself off of it. Definitely, definitely.

You have to have clear goals for the day and get that done, for sure.

And for those of you who don't know, you are in the interior design group.

Yeah, I own my own business, Customize Walls, which is we print custom printed wallpaper murals, and then we have a community. Ross is actually a moderator for the community, and we do— it's It's meant for a community for interior designers, people who have businesses in the world of interior design, and we share, you know, anything from like Ross shares SEO.

We have different moderators who sort of have different specialties and we all sort of try to help businesses succeed.

Well, that's a good thing and you're doing a heck of a job with it. You've got a great business model going there that you're sharing with brands and, you know, really excited to see some of the movements like David Leopold is in the audience, some of the things he's doing with Michael and the different things that are coming forward for us. It's going to be a great new world.

David is pretty amazing because they're putting together that PlusMyReach, which will analyze the reach of an HOA or even a post. The numbers that they have been showing me so far are pretty pretty amazing. I did one HOA with Kelly Ellis last week, and we have, I think, like 6 million impressions on that post, on that Hangout. And I mean, I'm sure you have more than I had. It was not even— it was like a little impromptu Hangout. But I think what it will do is it will show the brands that, number one, obviously Google isn't a ghost town.

Hello.

There's like all these people here, and they're commenting and participating. Participating. But a bigger thing is how big it can get. How many of us have numbers, you know?

Oh, absolutely. And I can't believe people still think it's a ghost town. When I read those articles, it just blows my mind. How can anybody not believe it?

This is one of my things I think is really funny. Whenever I read one, I go to that person's Google+. I'll look up the author, and if they're not even active, I'm like, How do you know it's a ghost town if you haven't even been in here? Like, that's— you can't— as an author, you have to do your due diligence, at least come in and see, you know, take the temperature.

I have a question on those impressions. Someone left a comment, it may have been this— who did you— I don't know who you said, but I think it was Michael Masson, or Mason, I don't know how he says his last name, but He left a comment on one of our HOAs about millions of impressions or something. I was thinking, well, what does that mean? I don't think millions of people watched that HOA.

What it means is very similar to— I don't know if you've ever participated in a Twitter chat, but Twitter chats, you know, it's how many people are participating. Then you have, because you're participating, you have your audience. If I'm like, if I'm writing in comments on Chef's Show, then my audience is seeing my activity on Chef's Show. So you're counting the numbers of my audience, and you're counting, you know, Chef's audience, and now Ross's audience, your audience, and all of our audiences are being exposed to Chef's Show. So it's, from a brand perspective, it's really important to know how big that is, how many people potentially could see the brand's logo, you know, and those are measured in impressions.

Gotcha.

I just actually invited David Leopold in. He might be able to talk a little bit about this too. So he's coming on camera. He'll be with us.

Oh, he's so great.

David's muted. Alright, David, thanks for jumping in. You gotta unmute yourself though. Before we go to David though, I'm gonna pop over to Ross and let Ross say hi to Ross. So glad you could come in, and I'm so happy to have you and have met you through the interior design community when I was on that video. We had a nice little chat one day and you did some podcasting for me, and I'm just thrilled to death to do those. I'm such a ham, you know. I'm sorry.

It was fun. We had a great time, and thank you for having me on the show.

Oh, my pleasure. I'm glad.

Great people. I love meeting your friends, and of course Lori and I have been friends for a while, and it's nice to meet Kate here— Tina, I mean, sorry. So yeah, it's just been great. David, well, David, you rock. Good to see you again.

Everybody knows David, and he's a— you know, we're gonna have a lot of new people coming on the show. It's gonna be fun, and I'm glad you could make it on today and talk a little about what you do. Tell us what you do.

Well, I've owned Step Forth Web Marketing since 1997. What we do is we take existing websites and we get them found on the internet, so search engine marketing of all types, social media strategy, you name it. And we also have a side site called marketinghigh.com, that's H-I-G-H dot com and marketinghigh, and it's for small business, so people who need to have a little exposure but they can't necessarily afford a consultant, and so we're pretty excited about that. It's just $50 a year and they get access to ask us all the questions they want. Get access to a database. We're busy, it's fun, I love it.

It's good to be busy and Google+ has really given us a place to find more friends, to talk and to really enjoy ourselves. Like I said, this is the best part of my day. I always say that if no one watches this it wouldn't break my heart, well yeah it would. I'm here to introduce everyone to each other, get my friends together and spend a nice happy Friday. It's a good thing. Now with the new tool that David's providing us and I think maybe he can tell us a little bit more about it. We'll see where we are. I know they just— I sent some stuff over from last year's bloggers conference I did, and Michael sent back the numbers. I think it was 111 million was my reach for the bloggers conference.

Oh my goodness.

I know, it's like, woo!

You know, like, how many brands would love that? I mean, now that you can give that to a brand and say, this is my reach, that's huge.

Yeah, and I can only imagine what it would be this year because I was still relatively unknown last year at that point. So I hope now more people know me. So David, thanks for jumping in, and I want you to talk to us a little bit, tell us what you're doing.

Actually, your reach, Chef Dennis, is 112 million. Woo! So I don't want you to— no. Well, first of all, I want to say hello to all my friends. I actually know every single one of the panelists. How cool is that?

Hello, hello, hello.

Well, actually, I have to say it was Lori. We had just finished a Dreaming with Entrepreneurs interaction, HOA, and she and I, as often happens in the green room, Chef Dennis, you find a lot of interesting activity and questions and discussion happens in the green room after After an HOA, Lori asked me— we got to talking and she has built a wonderful, wonderful community that is more than a community. I mean, people— it's a business. It really is a business with all the activity that goes on in the community. And we were talking about some things and she had made the comment that She wanted to track some of the activity— oh, she does track the activity of her HOAs, and she was telling me about the kind of report that she generates, and she said it takes me about 5 hours to generate a report. Do you think— well, do you know anybody that might help me with taking that process down to something less than 5 hours? Because manually she would go in and look at all the engagements and then project those engagements out. So I said, well, let's ask my friend Michael Mason what he thinks about it. So that was on a Thursday, it was a week ago yesterday. A week ago today we had a brainstorming session And by the next morning, by Saturday, last Saturday morning, Michael had actually generated a report out of the system. So he had built a reporting system overnight. He got real excited about the concept. And lo and behold, we've been fine-tuning it all week, adding something new, cleaning up something new every day, and actually I want to thank you for asking me on, Chef. On Monday at 2 o'clock, we are going to formally introduce a website, PlusMyReach.com, which supports the whole concept. So folks will be able to go in, and I'd like to invite anybody who is watching this HOA Today Chef that they can come in and take a look, and I think we might even be able to have them generate a report right after the HOA on Monday just so they can get a feel for— but what it does, what it does, you know, we have folks that number one say they're going to come to our events and everybody's intentions are, I'm sure, pretty good in saying they're going to come to an event. Not everybody can actually come to the event But from the time the event is introduced until the actual event itself— and Jeff, you do a great job with this because you put your events out on a very, very timely basis, one week before, so all week long people are talking about your event, which is a great thing. Well, so you've got X number of engagements inside of that event before it ever happens. So then you have your event, and then I don't know what's going on in your stream right now, but I'm going to guess there's a couple hundred comments in your stream right now. Folks as popular as you and as popular as me and all the other folks that do regular shows, they might blow it out with 500 comments. And so each time that comment is an engagement of some sort. So what this report actually does, it goes in and it looks at anybody who can be identified because of their engagement with the event. They said they were going to come, they went, they commented in the stream. Then the system will go out and it will say, okay, there were X number of active engagements. Those people— here's the fun, interesting stuff, and this is really what Lori was most interested in. Each one of the folks in the event and then engage, they have followings. In your case, to put it in perspective, the virtual event that you had last year, all those people that participated in represent cumulatively followings of 112 million people. So theoretically, if everybody shared with their, with their community, with their following, that's the big number of how many folks could actually know something about what happened in that event. So that has impact on you and the message you're trying to send out there. And I think Where we are all very interested is getting the national marketplace to recognize the power of HOAs, how many folks are actually involved in those HOAs. And we all— we have buying power. We represent a lot of things, and that's what brands are interested in. So it's a— my hat's off, a hat tip to Michael Mason and He's amazing.

I mean, I can say that I've been sort of meeting with them and they— he's been working 16 hours a day programming this for the last week. I mean, he's just been like, blah, blah, blah, programming the whole time.

I want to thank you, Lori, and the role that you played because you challenged Michael with, hey, can you do it? And he loves challenges.

Well, it will save me time from doing— I outsource having that done, so it will it saved me time to do it. But I know bigger than that, like, that people will want— I mean, I know that I would want it. I know that I think individual people will want to start measuring that their efforts on Google+ and if they're working and what their reach is. And I think that brands definitely want it.

So to put it into perspective now, and Chef and I were talking about it this week, He will take that information and he will try to attract the interest of advertisers to his virtual conference because of the reach, because of the actual participants and the reach of those participants. So that's what we were trying to do. And I can promise you that probably every week there will be a new spin, something someone will say, well, can you do this? Or can I find out this information? And we'll challenge Michael with it and we'll either come up with the answer or we won't come up with the answer, one of those two. But it's very, very exciting, Chef, and— but even more exciting, well, I shouldn't say even more, I have to thank you publicly because you're going to teach me how to do something on Monday, aren't you?

I certainly hope so. If not, it could be a very short show. Susan and I will be juggling in the background.

Is there a taste test after? Right?

That's the next step.

Chef, I want to challenge everybody that is watching right now to go to the event page for Monday at 3 o'clock. And to get all the ingredients to make Chicken Marsala. How cool would it be for thousands of people making Chicken Marsala simultaneously in a Hangout? How cool would that be?

That would be pretty cool.

That's right. That would be good. Marsala across the country. Across the world.

And yeah, it'll be your recipe, Chef.

There'll be a run on Marsala.

Now you want your cut.

Yeah, especially if I promote the brand that I really like.

Exactly.

Well, that's the point, that, Lori, that's the point right there, because Chef is going to be using, you know, I think I read 20 ingredients here.

Yeah, it's really a simple dish. It's, you know, most of the things—

there's about 10 or 12 ingredients.

Yeah, it's not difficult to make. You know, everything I'll be teaching will be like a restaurant-style dish that really, in a restaurant, you know, it doesn't take that long to put it together because they don't have that much time.

So here's all the ingredients and here's the instructions on how to do it.

Chef Dennis, when are you going to do the teaching of the Marsala?

That's going to be this Monday at 3 o'clock coming up on the 17th, and then every Monday from that point on, Susan, Sarah, and I will be hosting Around the Kitchen Table is the name of our new series. I'll be cooking alongside with— I'll be looking for people to cook with me, too, so a lot of my friends that are interested can be in their kitchen with their cameras cooking while I'm in my kitchen with the cameras. Susan will be bringing— she says— she puts it in a way that I had never thought of, into a global sense of thinking. And global, meaning that it's gonna encompass every aspect of the kitchen, from cutlery to tile floors or countertops, appliances. And we'll be bringing manufacturers on, designers on, in addition to a regular person to come cook with us and have a good time. Just really, you know, it's gonna be a wonderful show, I think. We'll see what it evolves into. Right now, you know, we had planned this for about 3 months and we finally said we just gotta do it. You know, enough of the planning, let's just do it and pull the plug on it and we'll see how it grows and evolves as we go along. Because I know it's, you know, 6 months from now is going to be probably a very polished, completely different show.

I can offer a twist, Cooking with Distractions, and I'll make sure my kids are on set. If I can pull it off, that will be impressive.

Well, another one, how about cooking with a glass of wine, Ross?

Yeah, big, big glass.

Well, I told Susan, I said I'll be happy to have some wine sponsors. I'm a very lightweight, I don't drink. So I said, so if you see me pour a second glass, be prepared to take over. I'll be doing my Julia Child impersonation.

Okay, that I gotta see.

Yeah. Of course, it's an hour before— well, it's immediately before our regularly scheduled HOA. That's a bummer. But I'm into really simple foods. I was so excited when you called me a foodie on your description. I was like, really?

I'm a foodie?

I didn't even know that.

Well, you like good food.

Anyone who eats, I guess, is a foodie.

Well, Tina, if you ask me nicely, I'll plug your show from the kitchen and say, and now folks, if you want to just kick back a little bit, enjoy your Marsala, go get some good legal information.

That would be awesome.

How about that?

As long as it's not, "If I get sick from this dish, I'll be calling my friend, personal injury attorney, Tina Willis." No way.

We'll go on the defense for you, Chef Dennis. All right, yeah. I'm really into superfoods. That's kind of my thing. It's been interesting the few times I've seen, I guess, other foodies real foodies on your show talking about all the different— the Paleo diet, which I know nothing about, and just all the different— even when you and I have gotten together in real life a few times and discussed all the crazy stuff. I am into— I guess everyone has their own idea of what's healthy, but what I consider to be healthy, I eat. I went on a reading binge probably a couple years ago about food. I've been been into it my whole life, but when superfoods came around, I really changed my diet a lot then. I kind of eat simple dishes that are geared toward a lot of vegetables and stuff. I don't eat a lot of meat. I'm not a complete vegetarian, but chicken marsala, if I had it, I'd probably eat it over some kind of vegetables, not rice, which is really good. Chicken marsala over just steamed broccoli and carrots, maybe some be really healthy and it would amp up, you know, the health factor for people. So that's how I would— I would love to— I wish— I don't think I can do an HOA cooking and then switch to law.

So, Tina, may I share with you a flash that I got as I was listening to you? Chef Dennis said that he referenced you— I called my personal injury attorney Tina.— and you're both from Orlando, and the flash that I got was, there's a personal injury attorney here in Cincinnati where I live that is running an ad, and you see this woman on the telephone and she's looking for an attorney, and she's fighting with the insurance company or somebody and they're not giving her answers, so she calls an attorney and like in 2 seconds They're at the front door. The attorney's at the front door. Oh yeah, you're here to help me. You do those services in Orlando, don't you?

Well, I do, but I can't get to someone's house in 2 seconds after they call me, although maybe with Google Hangouts On Air I could make that happen.

There you go.

Tina, I just thought of a new saying for you. We talked about this briefly in one of first meetings is, so I think you should be for the plusers.

Oh, that's a good one!

And although if you're not in Orlando, you won't understand that because there is an attorney in the area that's always for the people. So that was my little play on that.

Yeah, so no, people who aren't on the plus might feel, you know, a little bit alienated.

That's true. Well, yeah, for the people.

That's a good saying though.

For the plusers. Yeah, are we the people? Here we go. Okay, we'll just drop that. I'm not good at those. I want to shout out a few people that are in the audience right now. Monogamous Temptress, the love coach, and I love that name. And she is slated for my show. She'll be coming up soon. And did someone say wine? Kim Baltman is in the audience. I want to say hi to Kim, and she's talking to some of our other friends. Wade Harmon's here. Brooke Walker, Lainey Sullivan, Linda B. Johnson, Tony Rose, Michael Mason's in the house, and Elena Bellomette. And Elena, I want to talk to you sometime. We need to hang out and chat. You're always in these shows and you're so nice. Adrian Urban's in the house, and so is Pepper Ferguson. Andy Lines is here. And now here's something— Michael Mason just popped out. And is this for today, Michael? 58 million reach? Boy, I could take that.

Yeah, wow. I don't understand that though. That seems like— I, I, I— because you're saying you combine like all of our followings. I mean, if you— you could multiply our followings a couple times and not reach that number. So I don't understand.

Actually, I talked to them about how you can— if you haven't done Twitter and you don't do like hash tracking or that kind of thing, what they do is if I participate in a in a Twitter chat, I am counted times how many times I comment. So if I have like 20-something thousand followers on Twitter, but every time I comment, my audience has the potential to see that hashtag. So when they're—

Oh, so it's multiplied by your comments.

It's not just the comments.

It's the comments times how many times they commented times their following.

Oh, okay, gotcha.

And that's just simply reach, Tina. I mean, it's all—

That's like potential reach, that's how many people are being exposed to the brand message. If a brand was attached to the show, that's how many people could have seen it.

Now, is this the same way that Twitter is compiling their data?

It's exactly the same way as Hootsuite's, you know, like Twitter, you know, hash tracking and all of those other reports like TweetReach compile their data. Same language, I mean, for me, I wanted same language, same, you know, same calculations, and I'm sure they'll get tighter on it and Michael will figure out features that I didn't even think of.. But for what I wanted it to do for myself and for the brands that I know was to have a very similar style report, similar style reporting. Because I mean, even like when you have an event and you put a picture in it, you can pull out how many views were there.

Right. When you have a person who didn't say yes or no to the event, but said, or maybe, but they opened the event, I mean, all of those things our eyeballs. I mean, we're talking, we're talking the world of media. So if you walked into a television show and you just saw for a split second an ad with the logo on it, that's, that's what an impression is. If we're, if we're going to talk to sponsors ever, or, you know, care about, or even the brands want to measure their own engagement and how popular it can be, those, those those numbers are important. How big can it get?

That's incredible. And, you know, I think the important thing is that it is measured like Twitter because brands are so in love with Twitter. And, you know, I have never really seen why— could never figure out why they are.

Well, it's because it's going to— it has that viral— like it can go to anyone. But Google+ works the exact same way. If I'm participating and writing into your event, my followers are seeing my engagement with your event. So they're much more likely, even in a split second, to see a logo, which is an ad for that company, you know.

So that's excellent.

It's funny that, you know, because I am— the main reason that I— well, not just the main reason, the only reason that I started on Google+ was to promote my law practice.. And it's of course evolved into all sorts of friendships and relationships that I value apart from marketing my law practice. But when it gets to the marketing your law practice part of it, I think for most lawyers, and I would imagine many people who aren't marketers but who are promoting their business, we aren't really— I mean, I'm not counting. I mean, it's an interesting number, but for us it's just, you know, is the phone ringing more and did the Do we think somehow those phone calls were related to Google+ or are they helping our website? But I'm sure brands would be interested in the actual data and numbers, but for me it's kind of like I'm just here and hoping that Google+ will eventually basically affect search engines. I was in the same boat as—

oh, I am in the same boat as you. I have customized walls and I came here originally for the SEO benefit to my site and I came here for, you know, to figure all of this out and I was in the same situation but I do have a lot of experience with brands also and I know that corporate thinking but I also for my own self, you know, I measure everything.

I measure like what, you know, what page they're coming in, you know, I measure all my own numbers.

I think that the brands are going to be interested in it, and I think the everyday person who's just starting to really look at their engagement is going to care about those numbers because you can measure the growth.

We all have limited time, so how much time are you going to spend on that?

Yeah, I was thinking this morning I was measuring the light levels in a parking lot for a slip and fall that happened in the dark. Measure anything on Google. I got too much other crap to measure.

In my case, I ask because of my radio show SEO 101, I just make sure to ask whenever I get the phone calls, why they're contacting us. I've got a form online that asks them whether or not they found us through that and I see that direct correlation so I know that is something I need to invest time in and I've also, thanks to Lori and getting connected with the interior design community, known that people are connecting with me through that. You start to see those connections as long as you're tracking this stuff and being a web marketer I know many clients of mine didn't before we started working with them. It's just, you don't know where your business is coming from and it's absolutely critical that people think about that and set up the very basic processes to make sure they're tracking it.

Well, I mean even things that, you know, if you have a business and you're doing a billboard ad, you can't like really track how many people went by that billboard and saw it. You know, you can ask on the phone when you get a phone call, "How did you see me?" But you're not necessarily seeing like what worked and what didn't work. I think that accurate reporting where it's all online and it is measurable, accurate reporting allows us to see not just necessarily are we converting clients, but also what kind of content is working? What kind of content are people responding to? Let's do more of that.

Yeah, but I definitely agree with Tina. It's also down to the nitty-gritty, right? A lot of my clients too are always like, okay, we can get you traffic. We want to make sure you get sales.

The right traffic.

Yeah, exactly. And yes, tying it back to content. Huge. I mean, again, how many people don't have Google Analytics set up or haven't even looked at it after they set it up? It's so critical knowing what it is that's sending it. The more connections we have, the better. I think PlusMyReach is a great— another great metric we can all benefit from, for sure.

Yeah, I'm a big numbers person. I really have always measured numbers. I was in a— before I started Customize Wealth, I was in managed sales teams, so I was constantly measuring the effectiveness of different sales strategies that we had for the for the corporation, but it's really valuable. It's really valuable stuff.

So this is a time when size does matter, right Lori?

Yes, exactly, it always matters.

Oh my God. I think Tina's blushing a little.

No, I mean, I wasn't trying to say that those numbers don't matter. I was just saying for me, I mean, and I think it's great because Chef has told me a little more about that, some of the things they're doing to show brands what Google+ is capable of doing. I think it's super exciting. I was just saying for me, it's kind of like, oh my gosh, one more thing.

Yeah, there are too many avenues to invest in any of these types of things.

For me, we have brands that come into the Interior Design Community, our Google+ group.

And we have brands interested in sponsoring our Hangouts. We talk about interior design products. We talk about things that will help interior designers in their businesses. And so our audience is primarily designers. And so brands that want to reach out to those those, that audience, you know, want to come in and support the community. We operate strictly as a nonprofit, so the money goes back into the community and it makes it better. We can have the website, we can have podcasting, and we can do some fun things with that, which I think is the great thing. There's just a lot of opportunity once you can get, you know, the brands interested.

Hey, Chef, what are you using in terms of metrics to track from Google+ to your site? I mean, obviously there's probably basic social connections. Are you seeing any other interesting analytics that are influencing what you display or talk about?

Not really. You know, I, I kinda just do what I want to do. I've not been— I try never to be a slave to Google Analytics. It interests me. I want to know where it's coming from. Sometimes it does support what I'm saying, like, you know, we're Twitter, you know, I only have about 7,000 followers on Twitter, but I get very little traffic from them. But I mean, I don't know, like you said, who's seeing me when I am. And the one thing about Twitter is I have gained quite a few restaurants following me now in Orlando, which I never had before. Four Rivers. I was in line and I tweeted, I'm happily standing in line waiting for lunch at Four Rivers, so they started following me. Tony Roma's CEO started following me, Tony Roma started following me.

That's amazing, Chef!

Coop, Four Rivers has a new restaurant, The Coop.

Does that mean they're going to give you and your friends free dinner?

I'm hoping.

Get the chef's table.

I actually offered The Coop to do a live Hangout from there. I figured we'd get Greg and Carolyn with their glass and I'll set up, you know, open up a Hangout. That's what we need to start doing.

Yeah, that would be awesome. I think to me that's one of the major limitations of Google+. I know you said you just— I mean, your view is you just shoot, you just try to extend your reach far and wide, but people who are in the marketing and web marketing industry, I think, need to put their brains to work on bringing Google+ local and how to do that specifically, because there are a number of businesses who that's what we care about. I mean, that is really what we care about far and above how many people on Google+ know me and whatever all over the place. I mean, it sort of matters for other attorneys nationwide because other attorneys can refer me cases nationwide, and so that has actually— I actually have gotten several inquiries that way, nothing that's actually panned out, but I think probably it will. But yeah, Google Local, and I've put a lot of thought myself into, and I have some ideas on Google Local. I actually set up a, what, I set up a community, it was called Local Circles, and I had a whole bunch of ideas early on, but you get so many ideas and you don't have time to pursue all the different ways you could. But to me, the great minds need to put that into their little noggin and figure something, you know, you know, Write, you know, just give us all the ideas for how to make that happen. So, but local hangouts are an awesome idea, you know, that's definitely one of them.

So I think this would be the city to do it in too, because I'm telling you, not that Philadelphia was an unfriendly city, but it was just not prioritized. And maybe the weather had a lot to do with this, either too cold or was too hot. You know, here it's nice and then it's too hot. So we're going to take—

we're almost to the too hot part. It'll be like nice At least for 2 weeks and then we'll be too hot. I actually told Greg and Carolyn I would love to have a— we'll talk to you about it— a hangout on air associated with just Orlando. I do think it's kind of like the SEO experts who focus on the local 6-pack for actual written content or whatever. This is bringing it to Google+.

Tina, that's actually happening. We all followed what Ronnie Binzer did in Austin this last week for South by Southwest. And actually, Christine DeGraaff put a communication out this yesterday or two days ago about that thing you're talking about, localizing. How can we localize it? Ronnie demonstrated very clearly that you, if you've got the right equipment, you can do a nice hangout on air. He was outside in the rain doing hangouts from Southwest.

I saw one of his hangouts today, just like a 2-minute thing, and he had a special speaker, like a little round ball.

Ronnie has state-of-the-art everything going because that's, that's who he is and what he does. But you're gonna see that, Tina, more and more. And you're absolutely spot on that the Google+ technology and marketing has got to get to the local level. I mean, you know, with the local— we've got mobile phones and I know that they, if it's not already here, you're out in front of a restaurant and they know you're there and they say, here's a $10 coupon, come on in. I mean, it's probably happening right now somewhere.

And the other thing is like those local reviews, we tell our interior designers in our community, we have a tutorial about how to find your local page, what it— you know, get reviews from on your local page. Yeah, how big a difference it works. I mean, works just like Yelp. And when we were talking to David Amerland, he said, he said eventually he envisions that you'll say, you know, find an interior designer, find a proper, you know, a personal injury attorney, and it's going to bring up the top one. So, you know, I mean, the way it's going is so local, especially if you have those local businesses, and that should be really encouraged. All of us who have had interactions with each other should be reviewing each other on Google Local.

The thing with Google that— there's many things that drive me crazy, but the one thing that annoys me is I had a couple people leave testimonials for me and maybe only one showed up. They have— their filter is overkill right now. So many testimonials, if you get a surge of them, you can bet almost 50 to 80% of them are going to be ignored. I have no idea why they think that's a smart idea, but that's what's happening. So they say, you know, if you can get 2 or 3 over a period of 6 months in into your actual profile, that's a good thing. So whatever you do, if you get clients to add, you just say, hey, please, you know, you just said you love my work, if you don't mind, could you give me a review? Here's the link. First of all, some people think that's not kosher. I don't understand why, but if they go there and do it, you can bet it's not, almost bet it's not going to show up. So you have to tell them, and if you don't mind, here's another spot. It's so frustrating. Google gets to be a little cheated.

Well, in addition to the reviews, I guess, I mean, I'm thinking more, and I definitely am aware, you know, I definitely agree with the local reviews and stuff, but I'm saying more local connections. Like, I've made a lot of friends nationwide, and thankfully I'm making some locally, including Chef Dennis Littley, which is awesome, and a couple of other folks. Greg Trullio and Carolyn Caperna are awesome, and we're actually getting together this weekend, right?

That's right. That's right.

Tomorrow night?

And Mia's Hangout, we were talking to Lori Williams. She's around here, and I invited her, and I sent a message to Jason Weiser to let us know next time he's in town, because he's in Florida now. So, you know, we just need to keep bringing these people together.

Yeah, so we're doing it sort of informally, our own little tribe.. But I'm thinking of Circles and of course we have communities, the Orlando community, but I just— maybe it's just that there aren't— Google+ is not a ghost town, but maybe there aren't enough people in each city to make it really strong, like a really active community. I just, you know, so I stay in the— I'm a member of the Orlando community, I watch all the posts that come there, I did share an Orlando Circle there. I encourage everyone, whatever city you're in, I mean, if local matters to you, create your own city circle and start sharing it within a community and stuff. I'm trying to do those things, but that part is slow for Google+.

I think that could be something for them to look at in terms of meeting people. A lot of times they—

Yeah, I think you can search and find people in your area instead of just being able to find people that are connected to your email or your college.

For that kind of thing.

And you automatically trust, you know, I automatically— there's a sense of trust. It's like we— and we right away, the first time we met, right away just could talk for hours, and we did talk for hours on Google+. So, you know, it's good, but I'm just— I wish there was some mechanism for making local a little bit more— like maybe if Google+ built into their system some, you know, some local gathering spots or something, but we do have that by way of community, so we'll see. I mean, another problem is they allow so many communities that you could have like 5 Orlando communities and people are sort of everywhere, but—

Awesome.

Yeah, hopefully it'll, you know, hopefully people will—

you know, the other thing, the other challenge is you're going against what they're trying to do, which is bringing things online instead of having to go to those networking groups offline.

'cause then you have to get in your car and go to your local networking meeting.

Now they're trying to, I mean, I think Hangouts, that's a great use of Hangouts. So instead of, you know, doing that, you would maybe meet online instead of meeting face-to-face.

Yeah, it's, yeah, oh yeah, I agree with that. It's awesome. I love Hangouts on Air. I mean, I just, I mean, Chef Dennis has been around for a while doing these Google Plus, I mean, he's been, you've been in Google Plus since almost the beginning, right?

Yeah, pretty close to it, July of 2011.

Yeah, well, I mean, I've only— I was trying to figure out today, geez, I kept saying it was a few months, but it's starting to add up for me. But I have not been here since the beginning. But I mean, when I discovered Hangouts On Air, it was like just the most amazing thing ever because a lot of my work is in front of a computer and I'm a solo practitioner. So the, you know, not being isolated and being able to connect with people has just been amazing. I love it. I just love it.

So how many interviews do you do with, with clients online like that, Tina?

I have not done that, although I think it would have come in handy yesterday because I co-counsel most of my cases with another attorney. We handle them just lockstep together, 50/50, and we're thinking of bringing— he's actually in a different city, and we're thinking of having him webcam in through Google Google+, but I'm trying to get him up to speed on that. But so far I meet with clients in person, I mean, and by phone. So I haven't— I don't know, it's kind of like, are you on Google+? This person who's talking— it's a little bit, you know, but I mean, it's good to know that we have this option because you start to think of ways that it can help you in your business.

All of us who use it on a daily basis, on an hourly basis. It certainly has become our choice of how we want to communicate with folks. It was funny, I needed to contact Mia one day and she said, "I'm going to be away from my computer. Here's my phone number." And I actually pinged her. I'm sitting at my computer and I called her to her cell phone on a job site. I mean, I just howled over that because she's got a big online presence but she's going offline and here's a way to communicate. I said, people still have telephones? People still use telephones to communicate with one another?

Well, I'm waiting for the Google chip. I just want the Google chip to slide in the back here and just let me access, you know, It'll be a lot easier.

All of your information this morning.

That'll be better than wireless, won't it, Sheryl?

Oh yeah, absolutely.

You know, one of the cruddy things though is, you guys know you can get a Hangout call by phone, but all the apps are not available unless I have not figured it out. But when you answer a Hangout, you know, you don't get your lower third and you get none of the effects and all that. —just get—

yeah, you're playing a game. Yeah.

They got to do something with that too.

I like it that when you get a call and you come into it— and I've got multiple devices. I've got my iPad and my iPhone. And if I have them all sitting here, it still keeps ringing when I'm in it for another few minutes. It's like, shut up. I'm already in the call.

Well, and you're talking about Hangouts, and the same with Tina, I can't seem to get people to jump in. I have clients all over the world, which makes it really fun because I'm on Skype a lot, but that's just it. They all want to use Skype. They're not in Google+ yet. Even if they are, they don't think about it yet. They don't think of it as the place to go and have a quick meeting or anything like that. I think they think it's all live, or it's all exposed, or anyone can join. There's so much unknowns, you know.

I think that that is a scary thing for people because you can do these on-air versus the private, and they have— they look so similar and feel so similar that people are like, I don't want this like broadcasted.

That's a good point.

Well, and I think it's great because Skype, of course, I believe if you want more than 2 people now you have to be paying if you want to see people and having a conference. So if you do it through Google+ you don't have to worry about any charges, and I definitely notice a different level of engagement and connection with my clients. I can see them, they can see me, we can be way more personable and there's something about seeing someone's eyes when you're talking to them and you can get that sense of trust.

Absolutely. The eyes tell a story, don't they, Ross?

They do, they definitely do.

And they're not making rude gestures in the background while they're listening to you rolling their eyes. Yeah. Or if they are, You got them.

Yeah, they forgot their cameras on. Flurry.

Oh, I don't want to go.

Hey, my friend Mia Voss is in the house, my sister in crime, Thelma, aka Thelma. She's talking to Kim Baltman and Thomas Nelson and talking about what you and David had was called a talkie. A talkie. A talkie, that'd be like they still make those, a talkie. And we did have a question here from Bojan, Bo, and he says, I have a question. Are you thinking that on the local area is still Facebook the leading social network?

What's Facebook? Yeah, I've never even— Facebook? That's the F word. The book of faces?

Yeah, I have not even logged into Facebook. In at least a few weeks, and over the last couple of months, probably just a couple of times, and really just to check on my closest friends because they're not here on Google+ and just catch up with whatever is going on in their life in like 10 minutes and then come back here.

I think anyone who's connected with Google+ sees that it's Facebook. It still has so much of the market, but it's also still very good for business. I know many businesses do very well through it. We still market for our clients within it, and I guess I would have to say, I hate to say this, but I think local is still kicking butt on Facebook. Just because people haven't seen just how much better it is on Google+.

I think that's true. I think the problem is that they know that their friends are there, so they know that the clients could be there. So they want to have it, but at the same time, you have to pay to play on Facebook. You can't get engagement unless you're promoting your posts.. And it's a really tough thing, I think. I mean, as a small business owner, it can get really expensive really fast. And there is no free on Facebook anymore.

There just isn't.

No, and I think that Google+, I have a hard time explaining to people what the feed is. They just see things just appear. It's like a mixture of Twitter and Facebook in a sense. To some people it's not as easy to understand how it works really. And then to be frank, Google has— if it weren't for all the users that were great about putting tutorials online, I don't think many people would understand it at all. Google isn't very good at explaining anything. They don't.

It was intuitive for me, but I know a lot of people who came in and said, I don't know how to—

I don't know what a circle is, I don't know how to make a post, I don't know how to 'find people that interest me.' I mean, people who have been here for a while, it's just different enough if you're used to Facebook or you're used to Twitter, it's just different enough that they can't figure it out.

But it also makes it great.

Well, that makes it good, but to that point too, I have never found an environment offline, online where there are so many helpful people. And I'm sure in your community, Lori, somebody has a question question, a comment, they ask the question in your community, in 10 minutes they've got 10 responses of people that are wanting to help them with whatever the challenge might be.

Yeah, I mean, Twitter used to sort of work like that too, this environment of people helping people. And Facebook used to be like that too, where you just have— there are still private communities I belong to on Facebook. Where people can say the toughest questions and there's just a ton of engagement. I handle my Facebook now like it's a business page. So I, because it's still free for me to reach my friends, I'm friending people who I do business with or people who I have business relationships with and I'm reaching their posts, my posts are reaching them through that. And I, you know, I I still do a little bit with my Facebook posts, but I don't do at all what I used to do. I mean, we had about, I don't know, 5,000 fans or something on Facebook, and that took me a long time to build. And now I can make a post on there and I reach 5 people. You know what I mean? It's like, what's the point?

Why is that, Lori? Are the folks that you used to engage with are not What, you're not engaging with those folks? Oh no, no, Facebook limited it for you.

So if you make a post on your business page, Facebook used to let it go to everybody who liked your page would see that, and they could comment and like it, and you'd get a ton of engagement just like you do here on Google+. But then they started limiting how many people who liked your page would actually see your posts. And now I think that it's, it's, they're ranging at 2 5% of the people who like your page even see your posts.

And then they played a dirty little game with that too, where they were trying to entice you to pay for more to be seen, for more engagement. And what they didn't tell you was, when you're doing that and you're buying these likes from people that will probably not engage with you, all of a sudden your numbers go up because you're getting more likes, people see it. Now if your engagement engagement during this certain time period in the early time of your post, your post goes up and if it doesn't get engagement immediately, then they limit even more the number of people that see it. So they're making you pay to get these engagers and then they're punishing you when these engagers don't comment because it drives your engagement number even down lower. Yeah.

That's what happened when you had those Venetian—

I actually paid quite a bit. I did many different experiments on my— because I had such a following on Facebook, and I probably spent about $1,000 marketing little different things, you know, sponsored posts, ads, you know, getting them to come over and get my newsletter. There was just a lot of different strategies, and my problem was I was not getting the people that I really wanted to get. I wasn't getting the interior designers who I really wanted to get. I was getting, you know, people in India or people, you know, that aren't going to buy my product. So I have a tough time. Ross, you probably have different strategies, but I had personally as a small business owner, it's hard. You can't do it yourself. You have to pay someone to do it.

Yeah, and when it comes straight down to it, I often get asked, what social network should I be spending time on? And if I'm asked by a company that's busy most are, and they don't need immediate financial response, I say Google+ all the way. Don't touch the other ones. You're going to get the best long-term investment without question. Now, of course, that doesn't fit every single business, but that would be 90% of the businesses I've ever dealt with anyway.

Yeah. I think it's huge. I mean, I think Google+ is where it's at because of the free But we have to keep an eye on it because if Facebook made it cost, there's a chance that— and you can pay for sponsored posts on Twitter, and you can pay for sponsored posts on Instagram. I mean, how long before we're going to see sponsored posts in the G+ stream sometime?

Now one thing I noticed is Elena Bellometti— sorry if I butchered that. I hope I didn't. You asked if I could explain SEO. I'd love to connect with you after. I know we're running out of time, so I would love to. And, and there's a lot of great comments there. I'm still learning how I can actually respond to that versus just talking to you. But is there actually a way, guys, that I can chat with them from the stream?

Well, you can also— you can always go to this, to the stream, and pick the comment like I do and pull it up. And there's one from Lena Bate Johnson: It's really smart you handle your Facebook presence as a business now. Great call there. People do business with people, and you are a great example of someone who is personable. It's the new currency of trust. That's a great— hey, Lori! Yeah, Lori! I mean, that's about the only way to— good post there, but the only way to really communicate with them here. I think the next step in this would be for us to be able to answer these comments in the comment tracker, like typing an answer in too. I mean, what's the problem?

It seems logical.

Yeah, well, that may be something coming. You know, they don't always give us everything everything in one shot because we would just be overwhelmed, our minds would melt.

Yeah, if we got everything we wanted right away, it would be just too much.

Jeff, remind me the next time that you and I are offline, I'll show you something. Uh-oh, that sounds promising. I know I'm— I'll answer your challenge right there.

Okay, I did see something too. Did you see the new, the app for Chrome extension that was added so you can, an editor?

Yeah, I tried that but it crashed or something.

Mine didn't work. Well, I think it's still new, they're working on it, give them some time. It's a good thought. So there's some people are working on something and also the new way to post now. I think that, I started to talk about that I saw a Hangout yesterday with Mark Traphagen and Martin Shervington talking about the new— how posts will come up with the large image instead of the thumbnail link. Oh really?

You mean links with photos will have larger photos? Is that what you mean? Yes. Oh, that would be nice.

Yeah, and you'll look, if you see some on the home screen, they have like little cut edges on the bottom, like they cut them with shears.— and these are posts that are coming, like even when people comment on a post now that has that ability, it'll come here and be shared. So it's not the big dramatic size image but it's a bigger image.

Yeah, that would be nice. Because you know the only follow link is if you put the link in the thing. So even though I've read, like I read, I think Peg Peg, what's her name? Peg? It's Patrick. It's Patrick. See, she really likes having the large photo, which of course is most attractive. But hey, I'm after, you know, I'm more about the follow link, so I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna follow that advice because she believes you put the link up in, and I know it used to be a follow link up in the post, and then you could have a large photo. But I'm, you know, I'm like, no, give me the link. I don't want the— I mean, my main reason for being here is is to boost, hopefully boost my website.

Well, that's the catch-22 of the engagement because if your engagement is greater, you're actually going to get more in the trust factor than you will from that one link if you have no engagement on the post. So if you're— the big picture is drawing the engagement and drawing you the shares, the +1s, and the comments. That's all really going to build you. Not only that, but get you more people following you because of that. So the link gives you that SEO, that immediate SEO juice. But if it's not getting engagement, you know, it's—

I kind of play both. I'll do both. So I'll do like the bigger picture with the link, and then I'll do maybe a week later or something, I'll do that same post that's with the follow link. And if you— it's— you've got to kind of mix it up because it'll get If you see a profile that only has those little links, to me it doesn't look like that person really cares about engaging with me.

I mix it up with personal. I do have some large photos. I just posted a photo of a watermelon plant and I was talking to Stan Bush and a group of other people about how they grow watermelons. I'm just talking specifically specifically links to my blog post. I'm sure all of us wish they would do a follow link and allow you to do a photo.

I love that.

That's the ideal world. That's where this new one is coming. You're going to get a bigger picture.

How big is that? It's still going to be not as big, but it will be bigger, which is good.

I'm not really sure because there's a strange algorithm, and I think it's a guy in a room with darts thrown at posts are going to cover the hole or start spinning a wheel because I don't think anyone has ever been able to crack that code on how the really big pictures appear. But it looks better. It's certainly a step in the right direction. So if they start doing that, they're going to make a lot, a lot of people happy. I don't think it will do for those people what they're thinking it will do because a lot of the people that post links you know, not in your case, but I'm talking about in my food bloggers world, okay, are doing it because they are setting up ahead of time because they don't want to do the engagement, they don't have the time, they don't feel it's necessary. They're link droppers more than anything else.

Yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not a link dropper.

No, I know you're not, but I'm just saying, but in my food blogger world, the people that are using them are basically link droppers for the most part.

Yeah, and you see that a lot in law too.

Drive-by linkers.

Yeah, I see that in law a lot too, where you go to a page and it's just all links all the way down there. And that's— yeah, that's yuck.

Yeah, like sharing one— like that, they did the link, right? And then they share it to like 5,000 communities.

Mm-hmm. Oh, I get them every day.

I delete those in our community. Yeah, yeah. And then after I send them the requirements for our community and they still post it in there, then I mark them as spam.

No problem there. One place, like the SEO communities I've been on, I mostly don't even bother going to. The only one I go to is because it seems to be the best and I'm very proud of that is SEO 101 community because we're brutal. I mean, John, my co-host, and I, we just mark them spam or we get them out immediately if they show any kind of a drive-by link quality to them. Everyone else is responding and getting really interactive. Fabulous people, way more interactive than we are, that are just supporting the show and they're helping people out. So anyone has questions, it's a good place to go. That's awesome. Excellent.

Alright guys, we're running a little past time, so we're going to do one quick run through the panel and see if anyone has anything left to say, and then we're going to call it a day. So Tina, we'll start back with you. Anything you'd like to share with us before you go? Cheetos to eat? Special HOAs to do? Or, you know, your show is on Monday.

I just want to give a shout out a little bit to our HOA every Monday at 4 PM Eastern time. One— we have a couple that might be very interesting coming up. This week is a divorce law attorney, but not this Monday, but the following Monday is going to be a copyright, the first of two copyright roundtables. We're going to have three copyright attorneys, and we've had to reach outside Google+ to find these guys to discuss various online legal issues that come up with images and all sorts of other things. Of course, we'll take questions, and then we also have an exciting roundtable coming up to discuss some hot topics in the law. That's gonna be coming up in about a month. It's like a roundtable of attorneys talking about some issues that are like— I don't wanna say the exact issue because we don't wanna give it away, but stuff people fight about, let's put it that way. So we've got some fun ones coming up, and We do, even though it's legal, a lot of people think it's just going to be stuffy, but we try to make it really fun and part of the purpose is to introduce some of the attorneys to non-attorneys and to each other. And you know, I've always thought, you know, if you're into marketing, it would benefit you to get to know some of the attorneys because ultimately those who interact with us, if we need something, you know, we're thinking of the non-lawyers we know who do SEO or who do, you know, something on Google+. So it's a good— we try to have fun with it, but yeah, that— and I'm very open to just meeting anyone who's interested in anything I'm interested in, which is just about everything. Thank you so much, Jeff, for having me on. Sorry for going over.

Oh, you're welcome. No, not at all. And you will— you and your co-host Stephen Feudorow are going to be on our Blogger's Guide to Using G+ Effectively this Monday.

To talk about— oh sorry, I didn't know this one.

That's right, yeah, and I talk about some copyright and some other business law and just to have a good time. And I know my blogging friends in my community especially are going to be very, very interested in your copyright show.

Our community too, I'll have to share that. Thank you guys.

We'll make sure we'll get the word out.

Thank you. I will ping and share and everything when that comes up.

So definitely let me know because our community, we're always talking about this.

I think we need to get you a shirt made up too, or a sign that says lawyers are real people too.

Yeah, I almost ordered one for your show since Stephen Futurol had his, his, what was it, the welcome mat last year said come back with a warrant. Yeah, my favorite t-shirt says, "I'm no lady, I'm a lawyer." But it was like— I don't have one, I've just seen them. It was like $30 plus to order it in time to watch the show, it was like $40 shipping and handling. I'm like, that's more than the t-shirt. It's a t-shirt, for crying out loud. I'm not going to pay $70 for a t-shirt.

I mean, of course you'd expect that at Disney, but not for this. Yeah, right. All right, Ross. Dennis, how you doing, buddy? Thanks so much for being here. Anything you'd like to leave us with about, talk about your shows and stuff?

Well, thank you. First of all, thanks for having me. I love being on the show. What a great group of people. I guess the first one is if you want to learn about SEO on a weekly basis, SEO 101 is our radio show. It goes live on webmasterradio.fm every Monday at 2 PM Pacific, 5 PM Eastern. You can also go to SEO101radio.com to download any on podcasts. We've got about 170 shows I think now. And other than that, marketinghigh.com. I'm hoping a lot of people find it a big, great resource. I'll put the links on the comments stream. Thanks everyone.

I'm a member of Marketing High.

I love it. Thanks Lori. And Lori, thank you so much for coming in here today. And I know you've got a rush of shows today and you're not going to get any of your work work done, but I really appreciate it. And seeing now that I finally came up with a name for my new show, I'm going to be ordering my backdrop. I just wanted to get them all in there in one shot before I ordered it.

Well, let me know. I'll send it out.

Absolutely, absolutely. So thank you so much for being here, and I wish I was going to be home to watch your show, but actually I'm going out to dinner in Winter Park with a blogger friend who's there at Full Sail University for something.

So we're going to hang out there.

Well, I'm super excited about your show Monday anyway.

Susan. I can't wait. It's gonna be so fun.

Can you believe it? She just keeps throwing things at me and I'm going, oh my God, oh my God, she is amazing.

I knew you two would be like, I knew it, because she's just amazing. I just love Susan. She's just amazing. She's got so much energy.

It's just unbelievable.

She is, and her ideas, and she just brings you to a different level. I mean, I consider her probably one of my closest friends online, and I don't think that I do anything in the community without putting it through her first. What do you think of this, Susan? She's definitely a huge mentor.

She is amazing. I'm so looking forward to Monday, and I know it's really going to grow and get even better as we go along. I bet. Yeah, so thank you. And David, thank you so much for jumping in when I threw that invite up. I was wondering Well, thank you very much.

I have to say this is the first time that I have ever been in the audience and I have been invited into the actual HOA. So I want to thank you very much, Chef, for that. And I'm telling you, I'm so looking forward to 3 o'clock on Monday afternoon Eastern Standard Time, and we're gonna We're gonna have some fun with that, aren't we, Chef? Yes, we are.

Is your mom gonna be able to watch? I saw that note about your mom.

Well, I'm talking to the residential community to see if they can get her to a computer at 3 o'clock.

If not, maybe we can get it on one of the TVs for YouTube or something, get her a Chromecast or something.

Well, I actually tried to— I actually talked to my mom today and I told her what was going on and Mom, I finally made it. I'm going to be cooking with a world-famous chef, Mom.

So see, and I'm showing that to my friends, showing them that someone called me a world-famous chef.

Yeah, really, really. You need to get this one transcribed and like on YouTube.

Well, isn't— isn't Google worldwide 24/7?

It is, it is. But most of the time I think it's only in my own mind that I'm world famous.

So, ah, we know. You have friends all over the world, Jeff.

I got friends not only in low places, I got friends in Google places. We'll have to have Garth redo that song. I love that. Alright, well thank you all so much for being here and everybody in the audience, thank you so much for stopping by today. We had a great time on Good Day Google+ as always and have a wonderful weekend and wherever you are, I hope the weather is treating you a little better. Spring is coming, believe me. Tomorrow is the Ides of March, and I know I got the date— I didn't get the date wrong. I knew today wasn't the Ides, just so— and it's not, say, Pi Day though, isn't it? Pi r². Pi r² today. Pi r², no, pi r round. I know that from being a chef. Anyway, have a great day and a great weekend, my friends, and I'll see you all real soon. Take care. Bye!