The Bloggers Guide to Using Google+ Effectively - Part Two Google Authorship

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Hi there, I'm Chef Dennis and I'm here with Jean Layton and we're here for part 2 of our How to Use Google+ Effectively, a tool for bloggers. We're going to be talking about authorship and publisher if you have a brand page. If you don't have a brand page, it's not something you have to worry about right now, but for those of you that do, we're going to touch on it. So thanks for joining us, and I'm sure everybody's getting ready for their holiday and you're very busy. And if you're not watching this live, you know, the beauty of Google Hangouts is that they are recorded and you can watch them at your convenience, or you can refer back to them. So here we go. And if you have questions, what you want to do is you want to go and leave them in the comment bar underneath us and we'll get to them. We have a few questions pinned already that were there earlier, and we will definitely get to them as we move along. So Jean, say hello and tell us what you got in store for us today.

Hi everybody, welcome to the second point of blogging effectively. I put up a post last night on Wing Woman Productions about the methodical step-by-step tools, and we'll be going through them in this hangout as well. But I really just want to keep answering questions for people. Google+ for me has been the best fit in social media, in all of the social media that I've ever dealt with in the 7+ years of blogging. I really want everybody else to enjoy it too. I put up a Pinterest board just this morning under my GF Doctor and it's Blogging Effectively for Google+. Or something like that. It'll have each of our videos as we do them added in so that if you want one place to go and recapture what we were saying one more time, go there and see it there. But we're gonna get moving along. For us.

Sounds like a plan. Alright, one thing you have to know when we talk about authorship and the importance of it is that this is really claiming authorship and claiming ownership of blog posts that you write. So not only is it an important tool to bring you up in search and help you get a higher ranking in search, it's also very important tool that also tells everyone that you wrote that blog post. You know, we always have problems with people lifting material, reposting it, and it drives us crazy, and there's no way really to police it and to stop it. We do the best we can, but you just can't do everything. So now what happens is If you post and you post it, let's say, at 1:45 AM on Tuesday and on such a date, on December 23rd, what happens is you're getting recognition for that post as the author of that post. Now, if someone comes along and lifts it 2 minutes later and reposts it on their blog, you have a timestamp. And it's almost like taking, not a patent, taking— what's the word I'm looking for?

For copywriting.

For copywriting, there we go.

Your copyright is active on the web the minute you hit publish.

That's right.

There's no question about it.

And with the authorship tag, it's even more evident now. Okay, so this is another very important reason to have it, other than the fact that it's going to help you help drive traffic to your blog. Okay, get you more. So do we want to start with the questions?

I'm going to keep the questions till later and just go into what you have set for us and show, or You know, I'd really like to talk a little bit about what authorship is because people have been very confused about what that means. It's really a circle of verification for content creators. That's what it does. It takes your Google+ profile and links it to your website. And then your website is linked to your personal profile, byline, on the site, and you link it back to your Google profile. So it's a circle of making connections so that the largest search engine in the world, Google, knows that you are the person who wrote that material. And that's why you want to set up this authorship. Yes, it increases your possibility of having your your profile picture in Google search, which increases your blog post showing up and it increases your clicks because they've got heat maps that show that as soon as somebody sees a person on those searches, they will click on it. Their eyes go to it and they click. So that's where we're going to be going today. I'm trying hard to be very, very simple because So many people have gotten it confused with publisher, gotten it confused with search engine optimization, gotten it confused with so many different processes.

Yeah, and don't overthink this right now, okay? You know, we're trying to keep this very basic. Yes, there is a lot more. Yes, we could talk on this for 2 hours. Yes, we could bring in experts that would just make your, your, your head hurt. Okay, but In the long run of this, you know, it isn't that important. What you need to know— these are some steps, you know. First of all, Google is telling you the most important thing that you need to know is that you need to write good content. You need to deliver good content. Okay, if that's the only thing you concern yourself with, you're gonna be golden on Google. Once you tie all this together, like Jeanne's gonna show us how, with the authorship, you know, that's, that's really all you need to do, and then concentrate on your blog and what you write and what you post, because that's what's going to help you grow and gain more readership through that. And it's good content. They're looking for good content creators, experts in their field, and you'll become that very quickly by, by following these steps. So keep it basic, don't worry too much, and just have fun with it and learn to enjoy it. So that's my message to you.

The other thing is, if you are one of those amazing freelance writers who write for sites that are not your own, there is a way to claim authorship of that material as well. It's very simple. It's something you just need to put into the profile that you send to whatever the site is. If you routinely write for somebody else, even if it's just a guest post, make sure that you get your rel="author." That's the tag that needs to show up in your process. So I'm going to flip to screen share and— hang on one sec— select a window. Sorry, I have a feeling it's going to be— my desktop is crowded, so hang on one second. I'm going to make sure it's there. Have you got the authorship up there or no?

You had it, you just lost it.

There we go. The joy of a tool. Okay, so like I said, we want to connect your profile, your website, and your personal byline. Now some of this is going to vary based on which platform you're on. I know a lot of people are on WordPress and there are people on Blogger, there are people on all sorts of different places on the web, but as long as you have that circle of byline, Google profile, and your website connected, you will have authorship over it on Google. So there's two things— there's a bunch of things to remember, but one of the things that Google looks for is you physically. They're looking for that photo of you, eyes on the camera, who are you as a person. So make sure that when you choose your profile photo, it's the same one on your Google profile and your website. That helps Google to claim it. Then you want to make sure that your byline, your actual name on your posts and your name on Google are exactly the same. If you use an initial in one place, use the same initial in the other. You make any deviation from that, Google has a little bit harder time making sure that that's the same person. So make sure it matches completely. On the post I created, I linked into some of the visuals from Google. I'm going to try and switch to those so they show up bigger. This is how Google says to do it. Link your profile to the content you create. You set up your profile. We did that last week. Make sure you have the profile photo. Make sure you have the byline. Make sure your byline name matches. Very, very important. Then the easiest way to set up authorship is by having a verified email address on the same domain as your content. If your blog, like mine, is glutenfreedoctor.com, I have Jean@glutenfreedoctor.com. I could verify using my authorship. For an awful lot of people, you have a Gmail account.. So you don't have the ability to go and do the email address verify. There's another way to do it. If you do, this is the easiest way. You just pop your email in this box, hit sign up for authorship and make the next connection happen and you're done. I'm going to go back. This is— Setting up your email. Actually, Chef, do we have any questions about that? I'd hate to run ahead if somebody's screaming quickly. Okay, I'm not seeing anything. Okay.

No, they'd asked about multiple authors, but we're going to touch on that again.

We're going to touch on multiple authors on this, but first we want to get the first one set up. So second is, if you don't have an email on your web address. The next way you do it is by creating a link to your profile, which involves changing some of the data in your website. If you're not happy working in code, this is where you might want to find an expert. So what you need to do is you link to your Google profile from your webpage, and you'll see this line of code replacing the profile URL with your Google profile URL. I have discovered that the new vanity URLs work, but if you have your long number, it's one of those numbers to hang on to because that will always work. The vanity URL is a forwarding. It's probably better if you can to just go for the number. Then you need this question rel=author parameter. If it's missing, then nothing can be connected. On your Google+ profile, you edit the Contribute to page, adding your website, adding all websites that you write for. When you set that up— I'm going to open up that screenshot. Oops, sorry. It's just a screenshot. On your website, last week I showed on my profile how I have this whole stream of contributor to, including every guest post that I've got a Google profile link in, blogs that I've written that some of them are not terribly active but I've written them and I can claim authorship. You want to go ahead and do that. You link that back. Once you have your contributor to and your byline and your rel="author" in the code of your site, you've completed the circuit. And once you complete the circuit, you go over to this tool, the Google Structured Data Testing Tool, and you put in a URL that you've written. So not your home page. You're putting in actual content. Pick a post, in other words, and push that into here. So I'm gonna— I'm gonna pop in any one. Hit preview, and you will get, in a second or two, my little picture, the grains. This is one of a series I did for Bob's Red Mill, Grains of Discovery. It'll show up where it's PageRanking and all of that. And this is the green line you want to see. Authorship is working for this webpage. And that's where you can find your link, your number link again, and where it's set up. You can then Check your rel="author" markup. You just want to keep seeing green. That's the goal. Green is good. If you see red, it means you've got some work to do. See, I've got a couple of entry title and something updated. It gives you a ton of information. This structured data testing tool allows you to check lots and lots of different information all at once. I would keep it in your bookmarks because that's important. That is on WordPress. That's what I was working on, on WordPress.

Jeanne, before we get too far, you mentioned about the vanity number, the number under. Tammy Mudd just wanted to know, she's changed the vanity, is there a way to find her number once it's changed? You just showed one way.

That's one way. Quite honestly, that's the easiest one I've got. To be really honest, you can right-click and save and then get the number when you open up the link, but the structured data tool just dumps it out there for you. I would encourage anybody, go to your site once you've got it set up, click on it, you get green, and then keep going from there.

Yep. You never lose your number. Your number is always there. It's just that the vanity replaces it.

Yeah, it's a 301 redirect on top. If you're not comfortable working in code, here's what I would suggest. My option 3 is you use a WordPress plugin. This WordPress plugin, oops, the one that I'm encouraging you to use is by Joost van Valk, the same guy who did the SEO plugin. For some reason it's popping to a different page. I'll double-check the connection again. It's the same one most of us on WordPress have installed for SEO. He's got a way to link within that. You just set it up and it's done. That one's pretty easy. We're still talking only about single author blogs at this point. If you're on Blogger, you're on the easiest setup of the world. You go into Blogger. You hit the Google+ arrow. It gives you this page that you click Get Started. It gives you this page. You tell them which of your profiles or pages you want to connect your blog and your profile. You click Yes and it's done. If you're on Blogger, it's super, super simple. In writing this last night, this infographic, this authorship flowchart, I have it pinned separately and I have it here. I kind of wanted to show you during the program because it has all the different ways you could have it not work, and it gives you workarounds to make it work. So how did you set it up? Did you use the verify email?. And if it gives you a problem, what do you do next? And then if you use the content link, which is the code, all of the different places that it could have not worked and then how to fix it. That's a nice one. Yeah, this is Search Engine Land and they put a lot of time into this infographic so I really wanted to highlight it a little bit more. I would go back to their main place and really look at it because I have it pinned for later there and that's pinned back to their site. If you're writing for other sites and this is you as a freelancer writing for other sites, what you need to do is have a line like this that says something along the lines of connect with me on Google+ or Read me, read more on Google+, whatever it is that you want to say. And have it +Google, your long number or your vanity URL, and then the question mark rel=author. If you have this incorporated in the profile you send to Huffington Post or wherever you're writing and they put it into the little box next to your pretty picture, You've got authorship established for that post. That's what you need to have. I think at this point anybody who's not willing to give you that link, you shouldn't be writing for. That's my opinion.

I agree with you on that one.

If you can't claim what you wrote, you shouldn't be giving it away. All of this you can test for the connectivity of that aspect. On this Rich Snippets tool, same Rich Snippets tool. If somebody asks you to guest post and you just want to double check that you've got your authorship set up correctly, you can put in their email, their connection to the post. It'll come up as yes, it's set or not. These guys should be live on here and I don't know why they're not live. If you want to stay on top of changes that seem to happen so frequently on Google+, These are the two guys that I listen to the most, Mark Traphagen and Craig Fifield. Craig works with WordPress. His history, he has set up more web pages than anything else. He has a post for a workaround about authorship working all in code. If you're a comfortable in code person, I would follow Craig. He's got some amazing posts. Mark has literally written the book about how to set up authorship.

I think Craig also has a workaround for the plugin as well too.

He does. He suggests a couple of them. There are a lot of plugins. I just defaulted to the Yoast one because so many of us already have it on our blogs. The less plugins you have on your blog, the better your speeds are. If you've already got that one, working with it makes more sense.

Now—

okay, I'm sorry.

No, go ahead.

I was— multiple authors, here's where it gets a little bit more complicated. It depends on your platform. So if you are multiple authors on Bloggers, it's really, really easy. You just have each blogger claim their profile with Google and then their byline connects directly to their Google profile and presto, they've claimed their work. If you're on WordPress, you set them up as an author in the users and that user author setup contains their Google+ and you're set. Now, one thing people need to realize is I've been very careful that you're setting up your profile to your, your profile to your byline to your website. With multiple authors, you have to be very careful that the connection to the website is not in the head of the website. Because if it's in the head of the website, It claims everything on the website. You have to make sure that it's set up through the users. If you're not quite understanding what I'm saying, reach out to somebody who completely understands coding. Craig has a post about setting it up by post and not by pushing something into the head. If you are the only person writing on your blog, you can do that. And it's fairly simple. But don't do it if you have a multiple person blog or if you think you might have guest posts. Because if you have guest posts, you want to be able to have it in each piece. The other reason why you don't want it in the head is you didn't write your homepage, really. I mean, it's not content that people are going to search for. The goal of authorship is to claim the content you've written. Not just claim your website, but claim the content you've written. So if you've written something that really doesn't have any relevance to anybody except to structure your site so people can find it— thinking things like recipe archive pages— the content within them is your content, but the recipe archive page itself, nobody really sees that as content. Content in the world of search. You want each of your posts within that, each recipe to have your byline and have it connected to your website and have it connected to your profile. You don't need the recipe archive page. In the wonderful world of Google, when the algorithms try to interpret, if they start to see a profile link to something that's not content, it actually gives you a ding in the searching. So set it up right, set it up the first time, and then you can forget about it. And after that, everything's great. It comes streaming in that you are the person who's manifested this amazing work.

Then you get to just worry about your content.

Then you just get to worry about your content. Exactly. And it works for photos as well. For anybody who's a photo blogger, you want to make certain that you have it set up so so that your images are also clean. We'll probably go into that a little more deeply when we talk about images and setting up the tags on images. I think it would be too much for this show.

Yeah, let's keep it a little focused because we're running close to the end of our show already.

We're running close to time, yeah. I'm going to look for photos, for comments.

Okay, we did have some questions earlier. The first one we got was when we first set up this was from— let me pin it here. There we go. It is from Emily Ubergang and she's got a question about the Hangout when we aired. She says, "I don't know if this is authorship-specific, but when people +1 something of yours, is it better to have that linked to your blog page or your personal page? I don't remember having an option for selecting one or the other. It automatically goes to my blog page." As a publisher, it would make sense to have it +1 your personal profile, especially if you guest post for someone. Is it possible for the +1s to come back to you? So that's an interesting question.

Okay, when people +1 something of yours— okay, I'm going to start from there. Yours is how you put it out there. So if you If you put it out there under your personal profile, it is going to reflect on your personal profile. If you put it out there acting as your page, it's going to plus your page. The reality is it's still contact. It's still creating a relationship. It's still creating a lift in the search of that item. So you have to make your decision, how do you want to be live in Google? Dennis and I have both worked far more as people and then we have our business work. But we've made our relationships happen and created a lot of connections as human beings first. Our work is— I mean, I think, Dennis, do you have a page for your business work or is everything under your name?

I do have a page. I have a page for my blog but I don't use it. I started to when I created it and then I just saw the redundancy of it. It's just people want to get to know you as a person, especially on Google+. It's kind of opposite of how Facebook worked. I mean, you would get more traction on your brand page because people really could care less who you were as a person. They just wanted those recipes and they wanted those little things that they could, they could take and try at home. But here on Google+, it's just the opposite. They don't care about your recipes at first until they get to know you as a person. And that's the philosophy that we're talking about with authorship and search, because what happens is people are going to get to know you as a person on that search, and they're going to see your picture, they're going to trust you because of that, not because of an icon that's up there that's of your blog. So better to stay with your personal page on this. At least that's the way we're thinking.

Especially if you're new on Google, because I know Dennis Littley and I are both in a group that people are learning about how to do Hangouts, and there's one person in that group that she came on and she came on as her business page, and to me it was very off-putting because that's such such a difference in the culture of Google. In Google, you talk to people. You don't talk to the page. She has manifested herself as her page all the way along. I've made some pretty quick friendships with people on Google+. People that I can reach out to with a couple of keystrokes and ask a question and feel very comfortable with. With her, there's been a distance because she's put this She put this facade in between. She's a warm and wonderful person, but I had to get to know her through a Hangout where she was live as herself instead of her page. I'd be very careful about having everything you do come from your page. It's far better to be the person you are, friendly, warm, open, and then have your work stream out as your page. That makes perfect sense to me. To have your older work manifest as your page on Google+ because it's all new now. By all means, repurpose. It's time. Then be able to reshare it from your personal profile. That's what I do.

That being said too, that doesn't mean that you post 3 or 4 or 5 of your blog posts every day. Everything you've had up to this point is brand new again on Google+. Google+, but please, no more than one a day. Don't get carried away. It's not Twitter, it's not Facebook, it's Google+. That's the easiest way to lose people. Trust me on that. You'll find that.

Yeah, and we'll talk about that more when we talk about circles because how you share your work becomes important. You really do want to share in that 80/20. You want 80% of what you're talking about to not be your own work. Especially on Google. I think you could even go to 90/10 when you first start out. You want 1 or 2 of your things to show up so that people know what you do, but don't predominate in your stream. So I've got Thomas Thibodeau, why is authorship important? I'm hoping that we have answered that. It's important because it establishes you as an expert in whatever you're writing terrific content about. That's why. And it'll show up in search engines with your pretty little picture. But that's why.

Yep. Google is trying to create a place where they have experts in the fields that they can draw from for search, and that's one of the reasons it's very important. It's to eliminate spam. You know, the whole truth of Google+ is it was created just to make a better search engine, and this wonderful community we have is just a byproduct of that. So Enjoy it. Here's another—

oops, sorry, we have success. I love this.

Okay, here's one from Amanda too. She's looking forward to this. I think we answered her question: how can you establish authorship for a blog with multiple authors, and who would you recommend to do a blog check on the authorship to make sure we're doing it right?

Oh, who?

You showed them how. You showed them exactly how.

Yeah, I would check for yourself. I would go to that structured data tool and for each author in your blog, take the URL from one of their posts and put it in. It will tell you which Google profile it's linked to. If those links are correct, then you've done it all right. You don't have to reach out to anybody. But if you want to, I would ping Craig and see if he's got some time.

And here's proof of the pudding itself. Nurse Caveman, yay, just checked authorship and it's verified and working. Thank you, guys are awesome.

Woohoo!

Woohoo! Love that, love that. Thanks for letting us know.

Okay, where can I find part 1? I would refer you back to the Pinterest board. That's the easiest place. It's going to get pinned every week, just check there. It's on Wingwoman Productions too. Question on the— oh, here. Mark Hurwitz. I definitely have a question on this next segment and I think you already know what it is. For those of us who can't show photos of us in our profile, is there a way to connect personal pages and business pages? Just backstory on this, guys, for anybody who wasn't here last time. Mark is an anonymous restaurant reviewer.. And so he cannot put up a picture of himself because it will blow his cover in doing his work. And we talked a little bit about this, that he really needs to be working from his brand page because on a brand page he can use his logo, which is a little caricature of a man. On a personal page, if you attempt to use a logo caricature, pretty picture of your puppy, whatever, Google at some point will discover it. And we've— I know we've seen friends who their account has vanished because that is a violation of the Google rules. So do yourself a favor and have a great headshot, something that people can see both eyes.

And you know, we've told you last week about the profile, and we don't mean to harp on it. But it's just very important because I have seen profiles just disappear. They won't necessarily tell you they're going to do it. Sometimes they give you a warning, sometimes, but they don't have to. And I've seen people have to start all over from nothing, and that's because they're not using their real name and they're not using a picture. But if you run from a brand page, you can be anything or anybody you want to be.

So this is Leah, and I know she's pretty prominent on Facebook.

Ha!

I've been doing the opposite. I'm happy to be myself all the time. This makes me happy. And that's, I think, Google's point. They want people to be happy to be themselves and not have to put all this kind of artificial structure in place.

That's excellent. And Leah, I'm happy that you're finding that out. It's good to hear. And here's an interesting one from Mick Sharp. If you are interesting and engaging in your personal profile, then people will seek out what you do. Humans are an inquisitive lot. That's the truth. Thanks, Mick. Okay, and Maureen has verified authorship. Good to know. So it does work, okay? That's important to know. It does work.

It really does. Okay, so it looks like we've covered the questions for everybody. We're going to do this each week. Next week we are talking about circles and getting circles set up because that's the next step is how do you share content with people who want to see it? How do you keep up with people? How do you talk to a group of people with a common interest? And Circles is how you do it. And the other side of Circles is it's a way of dialing up contact with people or dialing it down. Because you can follow people and never see a single one of their posts if you don't want to. And we all know there are some people that you know you need to do a follow, but you don't want to see their stuff. So that's next week. If you are curious about getting another acknowledgement of these events, I have created a circle with everybody from the first week, or at least as many as I could manage. If you want to stay in a circle, let me know in the comments and I will dump you into that same circle. And I promise the only thing that circle is ever going to get is, "Hey, we've got another event coming, RSVP." Because when you RSVP, when you say yes or maybe, you actually get them automatically from Google acknowledgment that it's happening 10 minutes before and the day before. I promise I won't use the circle for anything else.

She won't be selling you any Tupperware or anything.

Promise not. Tupperware is nasty stuff.

Here's another comment from Leah. Dude, I'm loving it here but I'm having a hard time finding where all the people congregate. Any quick tips on finding people.

Communities.

That's what communities are good for, not for posting your recipes and not for leaving links, but go on and find your other interests and that's a great place to find it. And the other way, and it takes time, is leaving comments and engaging with other users on Google+ and that's how you start to find— it's not like we're just all in one place chatting with each other like on Twitter. I mean, you'll get those comment streams too, but you know, it's, it's more or less go out there and find the people that you want to talk to and engage with them, and pretty soon you'll have more engagement than you could have wanted, believe me.

Yeah, the other thing is if you have an interest, do a search up in the main search box and see if there's a Hangout on Air about your interest, because if you go and watch a Hangout like this. And you start to interact with the people in the film strip, in the boxes, but also in the comments. If you see a comment in this Hangout where you may have some relevant information, like somebody might know somebody who does nothing but set up Brand Pages, let that person know. Do a in front of their name. Let them know and you'll start that conversation that is mutually beneficial. You both get to know people. I know as people are moving over from Facebook, there are some new communities getting formed that are literally mirrors of communities over on Facebook. That's how you'll get more and more people in. Chef's got the Google food people.

It's starting to branch off. I'm bringing more other bloggers in too that are asking to join. Pretty soon it's just going going to be the G+ Bloggers Community. It's a good place to ask questions and get them answered. You won't see blog posts there or anything. It's just about getting your stuff that you need answered answered. Here's from Lori, #interest is a good way to find folks.

Right. For my community of gluten-free, don't add a space but #glutenfree and you will find everybody who's posting under gluten-free. There are gluten-free communities. We're not here to talk about communities, but what I do when I go into a new community is I look, is everything a link dump? Is everybody just linking out to their own material? Those kind of communities, I don't get much out of. I belong to a few. I turn off the notifications because I don't need your links. I need your communication. I need to know, well, what solution did you find? Or whatever the situation is. Or do you post amazing pictures of Chicago? I mean, there's one guy who's known on Google+. That's what he does.

Michael Bennett.

He's an amazing photographer. He does these morning and evening commute pictures. And the guy works for a metal company. I mean, there's like— he has no reason to be here except he enjoys it. And he's a really interesting guy. So Michael Bennett, you might want to check him out. And you'll see in Circles, you'll see these Circle Shares. Follow a couple, see if you meet anybody you like. I know I followed a couple of Circle Shares when I was a newbie and I liked a lot of people and then I didn't like a lot of people. Next week we'll talk about Circle Management too and how to not be hearing from people that aren't helpful for you and it's who you need to hear.

Good advice. Alright, well, I think we've wrapped it up for today. That's about the questions that we've had. If you have any more, leave them in the comment bar. Now, we're trying to keep to our time frame. It's been difficult because we both like to talk too.

We do.

We're having such a good time here. But thank you for being involved, and thank you for asking your questions, and thank you for giving us your time. We really appreciate it, and we hope we can help you.

Chef, you should tell them about your show on Friday because your show is an amazing show and you meet great people.

Yeah, I'm having the best time of my life on Good Day Google+ on Fridays and I promise you, you'll always learn something but what you will get is you will get to know some people a little more in depth and you'll get to see them as real people interacting and engaging and it's surprising the amount of information you'll also pick up in the show. That and Mia Voss has a great show too and if you didn't catch it, you would have got to hear me sing my rendition edition of Cat Scratch Fever as Bat Crap Crazy for her.

And it was wonderful. You've got to go back and see the video.

I'm telling you, my wife was even surprised at that one. She said, after all these years. But we're having a great time on Google+ and we want you to have a great time as well. So that's what we're here for. Any last comments, Jeanne?

I'm going to only be online for another hour or so because tomorrow is my birthday and then it's the holidays and So I'm going to be offline for 2 or 3 days. Don't be upset if I don't answer you back. But I'll try and get everybody who wanted to be in the circle in the circle. Have some great holidays, people.

Happy holidays. See you soon.