Ep 65 Recap & Lessons From Don Miller | #MUIYB Mike Up In Your Business Podcast

So, um, you're about to hear an interview with Don Miller, who I consider a personal friend and just a lovely human being. And I think this interview— you've probably heard millions of interviews with Don Miller now. He's so popular, his stuff is so good. But this interview may be the most unique one. You're gonna bet discover his gun safe, or is it a gun safe? All right, listen on in. I gotta tell you, I love Don Miller. I love him. What was your first impression? Don't tell me you got away from this, but what's your first impression, Amy and Jeremy, of Don Miller from this interview?

From this interview? Um, it's hard because I've met him. I've had the pleasure of meeting him because of you. But, um, uh, there's warmth. He's just warm. Yeah, what about you?

So I'm biased because, yeah, because we, we hung out with Don. Um, I, I like how his— the way his brain operates is like he can almost take like a top-level thing and distill it down so smoothly.

Yeah, yeah.

How it, how it lays out and makes perfect sense, even if it's like something, you know, difficult. He's really good at that.

Yeah.

I loved, um, that he's so purpose-based. I just thought it's such an interesting transition from religious and faith-based memoirs to writing about business.

Yeah.

And for me, I was like, I don't see that transition. I don't get how it works. But for him, it was just another version of expressing his faith. I also thought it's pretty bold but appropriate to challenge, uh, his faith, which I think you say was Baptist, right? Yeah. And I thought, yeah, to still have the faith but also to see hypocrisy and be bold enough to speak about it, right?

Right.

I was impressed by that.

And to, I think, still speak of it and to still, you know, um, I don't know, somebody else might then shy away from the topic, like, oh, that could be tricky waters kind of thing, but he He can still— no, doesn't shy away from it. And he— and nothing to shy away from, as a matter of fact. I mean, he's just very open and easy about it. This is who I am, and this is what— you know, I was having these questions, and I didn't fit there at that, you know, with that genre anymore. So I— it was really interesting.

Yeah, that's what got me is when he said he couldn't write books with answers, because obviously when it comes to religion, there's a lot of things that are unanswered. Um, so he could only write about questions, and then that's when he switched.

I also thought, um, it's interesting— this isn't just religion. Anyone, any kind of organization that goes to an extreme belief, ultimately, I wonder if it becomes hypocritical. Um, religion is just an easy example to pick on because it's so recognized, but I wonder if there's any community that just becomes so staunch in their beliefs— this is the way things are ultimately implies hypocrisy because everything's fluid. There is— I don't want to— I don't know if there is any such thing as a singular truth. Yeah, I don't know. I thought that was just very interesting.

It is interesting. I know the longer I stick around, the more I know I don't know. That's how I feel, right?

I know less.

I know less all the time. Yeah, yeah.

There's that when— especially when you think about like, um, you know, physics and quantum physics and everything that they're learning. Apparently now it is actually possible that we could be in a simulation. Um, like, new data's come out. I can't explain it, but it's, it's just mind-boggling. Like, I mean, we— it could be, you know, future humans have created this, uh, simulation that we now live in and we don't know, right?

Lots of questions.

Lots of questions. You know, Jeremy and I had a conversation around our beliefs and stuff like that. And so, uh, I do believe the argument that the universe, like the actual physical universe, if that's even the right choice of words, is infinite, right? That you go past the solar system and you keep going. It's just, it's infinite. And within infinity exists infinite possibilities. I mean, if there's infinite space, everything has to exist in infinity. And therefore, if everything exists, everything's possible, right? Which then brings me to the point, if everything's possible, then It could be a simulation. Why not?

Right, right.

You know, but also, but with that belief, I stopped challenging other people's beliefs. Like, if someone says, you know, God exists and God is a gray-haired bearded guy, I'm like, maybe it's a possibility.

That's true.

There's no point. Possibility. God's a source of energy. Possibility. Like, like, it's very hard. And I choose not to believe, for example, in ghosts and stuff. We had a conversation at home about this yesterday, and there's talk that there's a ghost in our building right here. I've chosen not to believe in it. Other people do believe in ghosts. And Amy, you do, right?

Yes, I think I do.

Yeah. And so you could be right. Like, I have no evidence to prove it otherwise. And so what I realize is my own belief is just— I just choose to believe something, but I have no right, no proof that I'm right or wrong. And it doesn't even matter.

I'm in the same boat with the belief. Like I could totally be wrong. I'm not committed really to my idea, but there's something for me that's almost pleasant about the idea. So yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's, there's actually something, and like I said, I don't quote me on because I can't explain, but I've read about this where they zoom in on, uh, on the subatomic level and they're looking at molecules and they have the technology to, to use magnification and, and see everything very vividly. But then it gets to a certain point where the technology should allow them to see further and they can't because it's just like a blur and they, they can't get past that. And so that plays into the theory of the simulation where it's, it's code and that's as far as it goes.

And that's like, yeah, the limit of the code.

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty crazy.

If this is a simulation, it's a video game, it's a damn good one. And, uh, and it also means that then everything can exist, right? If it's a simulation, everything exists. The ghost exists, right?

Right. All of it exists.

Yeah. So I think it's, it's pretty interesting. Do you know this morning they announced in the news that, uh, man, humankind has just put a flying object in on, on Mars? Meaning they have the—

yeah, they got the matter. Yeah, that was cool.

Drones are flying drones around.

Yep. That is awesome.

That's This is unbelievable.

Times in our lifetime. Yep. Times we're living in. It's amazing. Yeah, but think, think about in another couple hundred years what we'll be doing, right?

I mean, we're unimaginable.

We're, we're barely scraping the surfaces.

And now we're moving in such huge leaps forward each time. And it's, it's crazy. If you think about what my— if I keep thinking my grandparents who have passed, if they showed up in my house today and saw the technology, I'm— they couldn't even wrap their head around it. They could not even comprehend what it was I was trying to show them on a cell phone or show them these computers and the Zoom calls and everything else. It's crazy.

So the one thing is we have to consider that as a possibility, like your grandparents showing up. What they're— what is being worked on is the virtual reality in the very early stuff now is those video games, the Oculus and stuff. Yeah, that's just a harbinger of things that come. And what they're doing with these deepfakes, which are technology, is they can implant— they can make people look alive and real. So if you watch the most recent Star Wars, um, who's the actress who played Princess Leia?

I can't remember. Um, Carrie Fisher.

Carrie Fisher.

Carrie Fisher. Carrie Fisher Um, is in the movie in her younger state. You know, she's passed, unfortunately. There she is in the movie. To me, indistinguishable. Indistinguishable. Well, that technology exists. They're doing movies now. The price point's coming down. So one of the ideas is for people to use it in therapy and stuff like this. You know, you lost a loved one, you didn't get to say your departing words, throw on the helmet, and now they're with you. And you're— so now your grandparents This dialogue with your grandparents, reconnect with them. There they are.

Oh my gosh, that's so crazy.

That's a mind—

yeah, that's a mind bend. I'm gonna lose touch with reality pretty soon.

Yeah, but maybe, maybe we have our masks on right now. Maybe you're wearing the Oculus, Amy. This is your game.

That's it. I like that. I like that perspective.

Yeah, can you make me a very good—

sure, sure, sure.

I got him.

But up the level, up the level, up the level. Yeah, we're up to 11 for Okay, you got it. I also loved what— oh, sorry, Jeremy, you go ahead.

Go ahead.

No, no, you.

No, no, no, both of you.

Okay, well, let's go at the same time. Uh, no.

Okay, go.

All right, I just want to say this. I don't have a lot to say about it, but I love when he said, when you chase your curiosity, you almost always get something magical. That was like, oh yes, I like that. That landed.

I love that.

Yeah, I love that. Sorry, Jeremy, go ahead.

I forget what it was.

Oh, come on.

Did you really?

Yeah, I really forget. It was like just something.

So the two other takeaways then, he's having a baby. I'm so excited. You heard me say for him, I'm not excited for the baby. I'm excited that he is a father because he's such a good human. I'm excited for the baby too.

You're excited for the baby that, that Dawn's—

He's the dad.

Dawn's dad. Yeah, her dad.

My favorite thing though is that safe. Like I had no idea.

I wish I want to see the video.

Oh, you couldn't see. Yeah. So there he is, he's sitting in his, he calls it the bunker room and it is in the ground. I've been there. It's in the basement, but I don't think there's any windows. And behind him is this big map of the US, probably 6 feet long. It's a massive map. And that's what I saw behind him. I'm like, what is that? Like, I thought I saw his pins in it. At least I thought I did. And that was his, where he's vacationed or something. And he goes, this is safe. So then he pulls the map and behind it is a concrete, fixture with this iron door on it, and on it, or in it, were two water pistols. I thought that was hysterical. Hysterical.

That is hysterical.

I will squirt the hell—

I will squirt the hell out of you. Scary guy.

Take one step in my house, I will squirt you up and down.

Scary, scary man. Love it.

All right, you got game for us, Jay Sloan?

Yes, sir. So, um, because you know Don, he didn't fill out a, uh, a form. So this is Nashville because I know he lives in Nashville. All right, so we're starting off with food.

Oh, I love food.

Amy loves—

I love food.

I think we all do.

I found her a little snack. I found it, but now that I know where the snack—

I feel so bad that you didn't know we had snacks all this time. You're starving to death in the office.

Starving to death. And it is true, you have told me, and just goes through my little thin brain here, but now that I— now it's archived in there. The collection's pretty remarkable. There's like anything you want.

And there's some good stuff in there, but I do need to restock. I like those fig bars. Those are good.

Bring the fig bars. I love the fig bars too.

I'm just curious because you guys are in the office so much that you have these like secret breakfasts.

Dude, you got it. I'm telling you, man, once a week it's worth it. We'll pay gas and mileage. I mean, or something.

Come up and have a Taylor egg ham and cheese with us.

Yeah, for God's sake.

I said a Taylor egg ham. Was nobody going to call me on that? Taylor ham, egg and cheese. You guys just let me go.

You're a poser. You're a Jersey poser.

When we went out to dinner and, uh, everybody was like questioning my food choices, and I was like, I'm on keto, I can't have any carbs. And they looked at me like I just killed somebody's child. Like, what? Like, what are you doing?

We were pretty tame. I thought sometimes we go pretty crazy. We're pretty tame at that.

We're very tame. Yeah, we're pretty— we're pretty—

which is fine.

Yeah, I just— I want to uplevel our next meal though. That one was, uh, Yeah, we need— we need— I want to take us for our next one. I know where I want to go.

Well, then let's do it. Okay, we should do it when Kelsey gets back and hear her story.

Yes.

I, uh, I thought that our trip to Cape Cod was one of my favorite ones. I just— it was so cool hanging out, watching the water go by. Jeremy made, you know, surprise, surprise, the most amazing meal. It was just so relaxed. I love that trip.

That was— this— the, the house was unbelievable. The, the scenery— I mean, I can't I hope to one day have money so I can live in a house like that. If it happens, I, I've been there, so I'm okay. I can—

I think our retreats need one whole other day because that was just so nice, and I hated that we had one more day.

One more chill day.

Yeah. Okay, on to Nashville. Okay, so Nashville hot chicken is a popular dish that consists of cayenne, garlic, and what other component? Is it bacon? Mustard, pickles, or maple syrup? You say syrup or syrup?

Syrup. What do you say?

I say syrup. We say—

I used to say syrup, but I think it's syrup. I think it's the right way. Could be wrong.

Or syrup. Syrup.

I say syrup.

I say syrup.

With its hearty syrup.

That's another thing I can't have, and I love—

uh, is maple syrup Yeah, because sugar. All right, we have some maple trees where we are. I should tap into a few, start my own little syrup.

Yeah, yeah, there you go.

That's next on your list. You're like, so my truck's done now, I got maple syrup.

I started the truck today.

Oh, exciting!

Yeah, I just ordered the wheels.

I want to talk to you.

I got Black Rhino wheels.

How big a lift are you going?

I'm going 25 inches. It's actually going to be taller than your house. So like, like when I come, when I come up, I can't aim outside the house. You'll walk out and say, where are you? I'll be, I'm over you. Cause it's so, no, I'm doing 2 inches. It's like a small lift.

Okay.

Small lift. That's cool though.

Just a little bit. Like when I met with the guy who's doing it, he's like, so what's your intended use? I said, it's my daily ride and I want to be a poser. I said, I don't want to look like I'm trying to be a poser. He's like, he goes, you're the first guy who's integral.

Cause he goes like, that's what most, most people want to do. Yeah, when you were talking about the winch, you're like, I want a winch but I don't want it visible. I'm like, I've never heard of this before.

Like, yeah, can they do it? Can they do a winch?

He said, he goes, how many times are you gonna take it off-roading? I said, one time. Because you don't need a winch. He says, you don't need a winch. I said, I want to winch.

What's a, what's the, what's a winch compared to— I'm thinking of a tow thing. What's a winch? Yeah, is it—

yeah, winch has line with a motor that pulls.

Okay, okay, okay. Oh, the winch.

Yeah, it's not a winch, which brings beer.

Not to get on that, but, uh, you can, if you don't want to get a winch, Mike, ask him about a locker. Ask him about a differential locker instead, because that, that goes into the differential, so you won't even know it's there, and you can turn it on and off.

Oh yeah, to climb better.

Well, yeah, so people think four-wheel drive is all four wheels Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's not actually how it works. You still have, uh, because the open differential, which most of them come with, one wheel gains more traction than the other one on the same axle. So if you get a locker, you can lock it so that all, all four move. Yeah, but if you drive it on a road, it'll break it because the wheels turn at different speeds when you're going around. Yeah, anyway, sorry, nerd out on you. Differentials. Uh, okay. Nashville was the first city in the US to get a license for which of the following? Television, AM radio, FM radio, or ham radio?

Um, I've never listened to ham radio.

We don't really listen to it. It's more like a, uh, like a communication— oh, I guess you do listen.

Yeah, yeah. Isn't it an international— isn't that the longest range is ham?

Yeah, you need a license. Um, but I, I thought— I didn't think— maybe people do broadcast shows. I thought it was more for like emergency use and things like that.

The M stands for modulation, right? Like frequency modulation, amplitude mod— I assume that's what AM is, amplitude.

I don't know what modulation—

ham is.

I never even thought to question what those letters stand for.

Yeah, and I'm not even saying I'm right, I'm just guessing.

Yeah, but Still, uh, I assume it's the type of wave—

I see ham radio and I just get hungry for—

me too.

So I know, me too.

I immediately wanted a sandwich.

Yep. All right, question 3. In 2004, what was Nashville designated as? Was it the safest city, the city with, with the most opera houses, the cleanest city, or the friendliest city?

I could see Nashville qualifying for all four.

Mm-hmm.

Ultimate to Nashville.

Nashville is cool.

I haven't explored it, gotta do that.

All right, good pulled pork.

All right, all right.

So, uh, Nashville hot chicken's popular dish consists of cayenne, garlic, and what other—

I'm going with mustard since it's a hot dish. I'm hoping that helps make it hot.

Nashville's a little sweeter than that. I'm saying maple syrup.

Oh, you're both wrong. It's pickles.

I was gonna go with pickles.

Yeah, so they use the pickle brine kind of like, uh, Chick-fil-A. They marinate the chicken in it, the chicken in the pickle. Yeah, and then they also add pickles.

Now I'm really hungry. I am really hungry for a sandwich.

4 o'clock. I haven't eaten all day. I'm starving. Oh, dying right now. Uh, okay, question 2. Nashville was the first city in the US to get a license for what?

Ham radio.

FM radio.

FM.

Very good, Mike. Nice.

Mike gets one because Nashville's friggin' magnificent. That's what FM stands for.

Friggin'—

I try to throw you both off.

That's it. You just were toying with us before. You knew all along.

Yeah, the modulation bullshit. You guys just totally fell for it. Totally. Yeah, classic.

All right, and then question 3. Um, Nashville was designated as what in 2000?

Most opera houses.

Opera. I agree.

Friendliest. It was the friendliest city.

Really? I got none right. None. I gotta go. I gotta go to Nashville, check it out myself, do my own research.

I am back. I am back, baby. After 2 weeks of being beaten down by Amy, I'm back.

Well done, Mike. Well done.

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Good times wished for you.

Oh, that's better.