Recap| Ep 58 Getting Your 'Swagger' back w Leslie Ehm #MUIYB Podcast

Amy, is this me and you today? Actually, it's not me and you, it's me and you and the construction company.

Is that what that's good?

I don't know if you can hear in the back.

I'm so glad I'm not there right now.

I just, I just finished a keynote for the, uh, BNI, the, the very famous organization where you refer business to each other. 70,000 members, right? 70,000 members. There's a virtual presentation. It's going great. And all of a sudden you hear— it isn't just a chainsaw. They're chainsawing concrete outside. It's like, are you kidding me? And then, because my window— I got to get some kind of noise—

noise, yeah, canceling.

One floor below is the street, and there's like 5 guys out there, and then they're talking like some tough words too.

And I'm like, oh my God, this is great. So good.

My pinnacle moment with BNI. Oh, ruined.

I'm sorry.

It's like, oh, we're going back to just me and you and begging for food off the street.

That's it, that's it, back to basics.

Can you spare a coin for two pheasants?

Pheasants?

For some pheasants.

So, poor pheasants.

I thought my colleague and I can enjoy a pheasant. Oh, a bit. Can we have a bit?

Okay, okay.

Um, so this is Leslie Ann. We're talking about her new book, it's called Swagger: Unleash Everything You Are and Become Everything You Want. This may have been one of my favorite interviews in a long time, so, uh, let's listen in and then we'll discuss what we heard. Okay, so that was Leslie M. You know, I noticed during the interview I didn't say M, I just said Leslie over and over again. Now I did it.

Yeah, we're good, we're good, we're good. I liked her, I liked her so much. Yeah, I liked her style, I loved her message and her visuals. I was really like getting a great mental image as she spoke. I thought she was She was really good.

Yeah, that mental image landed with me too. I almost like, uh, the bullseye. Well, how do you see it?

Well, I was thinking of the bullseye one where the, like, the layers—

something too.

Yeah, the layers of self. Um, but I was totally drawn in and it was just so perfect. And I was like, yes, yes, that's exactly what— yes, that's the very next step. And, um, The one thing she said that totally landed with me— I hope I'm not jumping all over the place— was, um, forget, forget faking it till you make it.

I know, I like that.

The whole, um, you know, be competent, just be competent. And then, so what did I— wrote it down somewhere, it was so good— confidence can only come with competence. Instead of making it, do the work. I loved that, I thought that was so good.

That term fake it till you make it frustrates me too because The second we say fake it, we're also acknowledging that we are fakes.

Yes, and who wants to do business with the dis-genuine?

Yeah, and we want to be dis-genuine.

Exactly, true.

I, on this piece of paper, I'm looking down 'cause I drew it out on my little notes here. It's kind of blurred out, but there you can see kind of a universe-looking piece. And I consider it like an omelet or some kind of egg in that In the center was the true self, right? And that's the yolk that we're trying to protect. And there's multiple protection mechanisms around itself or, or shells, but insecurity, ambition, uh, pain, fear, uh, all these things. What I thought was fascinating is to identify our true self, we have to pierce out and then pierce back in. It's a, it goes out and back in. It isn't just, you get to the other side and you're like, okay, I'm clear.

Right. It has to be, you have to come back in and do the, and do the work at each of those. Those levels because like the one I love what she said was the layer of insecurity. That's where all the what-ifs, what if I fail, and there are no answers in insecurity. And I love when she said that because I'm like, that's great because that's where you know you, you got to move. You can't stay there. You got it. You've got to take the next bold step and, and get through the next thing. And yes, the next layer is another layer of— well, so what the next one was, was fear, and then there's pain. But you know, you're moving forward and you're getting that competence because you're doing what you need to do. You're, you're, you're doing the work in each, in, in all of those stages. She was really good. Really good.

I agree. When she shared her own, I think it was at the very end of the interview, she started sharing her own fear or challenge, right? She had to go through all these things. It was, it was her inability or struggle in taking compliments. And I was like, oh, that's so fascinating. When, and then she kind of walked through, she said, well, when someone compliments me, first I'm like, they don't mean that, and they're placating.

Mm-hmm.

And and I hate myself. It was interesting as she shared her inner dialogue, how quickly it can devolve into this kind of horrible self-loathing almost. And I don't know if it's that extreme, but you can see it go. And she had to be very deliberate about elevating her out of those, each level as she's kind of sunk down and say, no, no, come on, get real here.

Right, right. And you have to like conquer all of those with facts. And the facts say differently. The facts show, prove otherwise. And you just have to like reconfront yourself with what the real facts are of any situation. It's really smart.

Yeah. So I wanna invite every listener in to go get Swagger. Do it right now. The book is releasing on May 10th. So if you're listening on May 10th or you're listening after, it doesn't make a difference. The book is now available. I wanna invite you to get it. Again, Swagger: Unleash Everything You Are and Become Everything You Want. By Leslie M. Hope you enjoy the interview. Uh, Jeremy's out sick today, but he left us with trivia for me. We're free of games.

No, no, you have, you have all of 2 minutes of a game.

Okay, so it's just me by myself.

It's got to be you by yourself because I have the answers, right? Yeah. Let's see how you do, mister. So he picks, he picked, um, the topic of boxing trivia. Boxing. I believe that Leslie is a kickboxer, or—

yeah, she's a real boxer. What kind of hobbies you like? She said boxing, the real kind.

The real kind, that's it, that's it. Not just the exercise kickboxing, she's a real boxer. Okay, so ready?

Yes.

In addition to being known as the Greatest, Muhammad Ali had a nickname before he even became an accomplished boxer. What was that nickname? Was it One Punch Cassius? Clay-Dough, or the Louisville Lip? Hmm, okay, ready? Jack Dempsey once set a record for knocking down an opponent 7 times in 1 round. Which boxer tied this record in 1959? Thomas Hearns, Manny Pacquiao, Ingemar Johansson. Knock, uh, Ingemar Johansson is the third choice.

So funny, uh I was hoping you're gonna say George Foreman. I guess he wasn't alive back— maybe he's alive, but he wasn't boxing.

He wasn't boxing back then.

Yeah, but if you said George Foreman, even though he boxed like in the '90s, I'd be like, yeah, George, that's it, that's it. These girls are amazing.

They really are. Yeah. Uh, okay, last one. What was boxing great Sugar Ray Robinson's born name? Graham Hill, Angel Guerrero, or Walker Smith Jr.? Okay, all right, mister, let's see how you did. First one, Muhammad Ali's nickname before he was an accomplished boxer?

Plato.

Oh, that was a good guess, but it was actually the Louis the Lip.

Oh wait, why is it a good guess? It's not even close. You were the kindest person I know.

Did Plato even— yeah, Plato did exist back then.

Okay, Plato.

No, it was Claydo. That was a play on— I would I think Jeremy was thinking it would be a play.

I love these. That's a good guess. It wasn't even close.

All right, I'm supportive, Mike.

I know, I love that. I love it.

All right, Jack Dempsey once set a record. Which boxer tied this record in 1959?

I think it was number 3, is Ingram—

Ingemar Johnson. You got it. He knocked down Floyd Patterson 7 times in the 3rd round. Good going, Mike. All right, last one, last one. What was boxing great Sugar Ray Robinson's born name? Do you want me to go over them?

Yeah, what were they again?

Graham Hill, Angel Guerrero, or Walker Smith Jr.?

I put Graham initially, but now I'm gonna go with the last. I'm gonna change up and go with the second one. Who's that? Sure.

Good job, Walker Smith Jr. That's the right one.

Good job.

You're good.

Thank you. It was a good— yeah, I'm trying to figure out Jeremy's system. I think I may have— oh, I may have a little hack.

Like, he has, he has a way of putting the correct answers in. He's got a I think so.

And his questions. Yeah. I, I will share offline with you cuz he, he's gonna listen to this when he edits and I don't want, you don't want to know my secret.

He'll mix it up on us. Yeah.

He'll mix it up. He'll, he'll ruin everything.

He'll screw with everything.

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Oh, my pleasure.

And, uh, we'll see you all on the next podcast episode.

Wishing you good times, everybody. Bye.