10: Clean Money with Sam Sells

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All right, well, welcome to another podcast of you must be out of your mind. And as you know, we always try to bring on guests that are going to provide some insight and maybe connections to what we do. And the guest I have today, Sam Sells, is very, very accomplished in what he does. And I think there's a lot of connections between what Sam is doing and what we do. And Sam is a retired U.S. air Force officer, combat veteran. And from that experience of what he learned in serving our country was how many people are in need of the services that he's providing right now. So without further ado, I'm just going to introduce Sam. Sam Snells. Welcome to you Must Be out of youf Mind.

Thank you. Thank you so much for having me.

Well, it's a pleasure. So I read you know about what you're doing and it's fascinating. So I know you military. How long did you serve and where did you serve?

Yes, I served 17 years, had a medical retirement and was hoping to serve longer. But that's just kind of how the, you know, cookie crumbles in life and you take it and, and you go right. But. And served just really all over the place. Started out in Germany as a firefighter, enlisted firefighter and then Idaho and, and Utah were my next bases. Commissioned there and, and from there went to, you know, Massachusetts and Florida and Alaska and, and traveled all, all over the world. So wow. Great.

Wow. A lot of places.

Yeah.

So I'm in Florida. How did you, how did you like Florida?

We loved Florida. The people were great. We lived in the Fort Walton Beach, Destin. Niceville area. Just an incredible beach there. If you've never been to Destin, the. There's no place. I've never seen a beach like Destin's Beach. It's like walking on sugar is so white, clear and soft and smelly.

Yeah, yeah, I've heard that. I've never been there. My son's been there. He just said it was same kind of thing. Just you what you were just saying it's unique. It's very, very unique and just a beautiful area. We've had some friends that lived up in that area as well and you know, same kind of thing. But we love living in Florida. We're sort of in the central part so we don't really have the beach but we're within an hour or so of a beach which isn't too bad. And I originally moved Canada to Florida, so that's about the extent of my travels. Right. But I went from cold to warm.

That's. That's fantastic. Canada has some beautiful places. We've driven about halfway across Canada as we drove up to. We drove from Florida up to Alaska. It took us 13 days. But wow. For.

For service or for, for work?

Yeah, for. For service, yeah.

Wow, that's a lot. I, I mean driving from Florida to Canada took me 24 hours of driving. That's just driving time if you didn't stop. So I, I did that once. My daughter is an actress and so after we moved down to Florida we got a call saying that they needed her up in Canada for some shoot and she's only like nine, right. So we thought, well, rather than fly last minute flights are going to be really crazy expensive. We'll just get in the car and drive. And so we had a minivan. So we jumped in the car and we drove and ran into the worst snowstorm in a hundred years.

It took me 35 hours of non stop driving. I didn't, I couldn't stop because she had to be there for a, a shoot. And so I drove all the way through at times literally going five miles an hour. It was brutal. The only way I could explain it was my blood was tired, like that's what it felt.

When I get there and the snow banks are up over everybody's heads and we get to my brother in law's place and he tells us that they didn't think we were going to make it so they postponed the shoot for another day. So we could have, we could have stopped at a hotel.

Ah, yeah.

Yeah. But you just really couldn't stop.

But wow.

Anyway, so, so where, where's. In terms of your favorite places, what did you, what did you find where you're at the best places?

Yeah, that's an interesting question. So I.

I have found that I just really enjoy wherever I am at.

And so I. Places that I love going back to Germany. I love going back to Germany. Certainly Bavaria area, Switzerland, Austria. That area just is so enchanting and beautiful. Incredible. The food's incredible. Nepal is one of my favorite places. Just the massive amount of people and. And in those areas, and they just. It's a developing nation, and the people were remarkable and beautiful and kind. And the roads were not kind. The roads were terrible. And getting around traffic was like the worst I've ever seen in the world. Just bizarre. But just love, love Nepal. Loved places in Africa. I've been. Liberia was probably one of my favorite places. I've been all over Liberia. Beautiful people and just really beautiful places. And it's fun to go to a rubber tree and poke, you know, a knife into the side of a rubber tree and see white rubber come pouring out. You know, it's just. It's just there's so many beautiful, incredible places in the world. And.

It'S just. To me, it was more about, you know, what my. My mindset was and. And how we reacted and how we treated people that's, you know, made things really nice or not.

Yeah, no. Well, it's really interesting because I don't like travel. I'm a creature of habit.

Yeah, sure. I like.

I like being in the same place and sort of having those habits of creature comfort. And so whenever I travel, I find it's not so. My wife would love to travel. She would be very adventurous that way. But I've just. So she originally born in Ireland and her best friend growing up, when they were in school, they both went to Ireland and spent like three weeks traveling all over, and she absolutely loved it. I would have been miserable unless I could have played golf. Then I probably would have been okay.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you can play golf there, but. Yeah. Interesting.

Yeah, yeah, It's a real mindset. So. So tell me a little bit, because I know with reading your bio, you talked a lot about your experiences and. And doing all this travel. You've seen everything, every kind of world experience.

Tell me, what led you to getting into, like, affordable housing? So you started Wild Mountain Capital. Right. And I love the way you said it is. I'll just read here real quick. Not just turning into affordable housing, but into housing that's affordable. That's a really distinct. I mean, it's a. It's a brilliant way of Putting it. Because you hear about this affordable housing all the time and you go there and it's. It's disgusting.

Right.

There's no quality of life.

Yeah.

Tell me what your mindset came from.

So the worst housing I've ever seen was Afghanistan. Mud huts, just absolutely horrendous. And then you go to parts of Africa and Asia and you see these. It's almost like a city of 10 homes made with 10 rows, 10 sides.

And, you know, their own community and, you know, crime's high and there's all these issues. And, you know, my. My focus for years and years was health, global health. So that was what my master's degree was in health policy. And. And I focus on global health and we're just going out and trying to help develop, create sustainable healthcare systems. And in the process, I kept coming back to the same thing in my mind was.

Health care is a bandage. Unless you're doing preventative health care, there's no money in preventative health care. So preventative health care doesn't get done. The incentives aren't aligned, and then where does it go, preventive healthcare really start? It starts in the home. So your preventative health is your mom and dad brushing your teeth for you when you're a kid. If you have parents, it's them making sure the dishes are clean or food and living in conditions that are safe and can take care of you. You're not going to get shot or stabbed or anything else. As I spent all this time, I kept thinking about the home, the home, the home. What are people living in? How are they in? And I remember I was in Curacao, this.

Wonderful lady named Jim G E M. She was from Jamaica and she cooked a friend and I lunch. And we're just sitting in the shack and water's dripping through it and the stove is outside and there's holes in the ground. I said, hey, Jim, let me fix this place up for you. And she said, no, if you fix it, the owner will kick me out or charge me more rent, so leave the holes there. Wow. And it just blew my mind. And I thought, you know, because I have all these skills, I know how to do construction and I know how to do all this stuff. And she just told me, no, don't fix it, because the owners will kick us out. And so all these lessons just kind of built up for me. And as I was leaving, before I left the military, I kept thinking, how do we make a difference? And housing. And when you think about, if I say Section eight to somebody, they're going to think of this disgusting place with.

Shootings and cars everywhere and et cetera. And then we talk about affordable housing. People say, well, that's only for the poor. But if I want to go look for an apartment complex and all I can find are apartments that are 2,500 bucks a month, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Instead of being on that machine that's going and saying, okay, we're going to gentrify, we're going to turn these old buildings into fancy, super cool, beautiful places that then prices out almost everybody except for the top tier. And then we'll make the most money that way. What we're doing is we're going into the places that need it the most. And.

These home or apartment complexes, they don't qualify for big A affordable housing, low income housing tax credits, they don't qualify for the pawns. There's no incentives aligned for this. And so because of that, institutions stay away from them. Governments don't really do anything with them. They will do housing vouchers, Section 8 vouchers, which is fantastic. They'll do other things, but it's just neglected. It's neglected by all parties. And that's why it's all down to the property owner. If the property owner is in a situation where they can't do anything about it because for whatever reason, maybe they're old, maybe they're just terrible human beings, maybe they're great human beings. They just, they're overwhelmed by them because they've owned it for 30 years and it's just progressively gotten worse and they don't know how to fix it. We take these properties on, we definitely want to buy them at a discount. We have to have incentives aligned. You have to have a way to make money doing it so that you can repeat the process. And because it is super expensive to rehab these dilapidated distressed apartment complexes.

But.

As we fix them up, we still take voucher residents, we still work with charities, we still work with the city council, we still work with housing authorities to ensure that those people can afford or can stay there. The only people that are going to get evicted are the ones who are can't be safe, right? They're, they refuse to pay rent. When we say, look, you're struggling with rent, let's go to Women in Women in Crisis. They'll help you, right? We'll set you up. You would qualify for housing authority. Oh, you would do this or you would do that. But there's situations where people will break the rules. They'll break the law. They won't abide by the rules, which are very, very lax by housing authorities or charities. If they can't abide by even those simple rules, then they have to go someplace else where they can learn to abide by simple standard rules of humanity. Right.

You can't get mad at your neighbor and go attack them.

That's not okay.

It's fascinating because a friend of mine, he actually works with us, he's trying to do that as well. And he's, you know, bought some houses. He does a great job at fixing them up, and. And then, you know, helps out and uses, you know, people who are dealing with a lot of the charities and things like that. And the issue that he runs into a lot is that they just don't take care of the properties. You know, he'll make them. They. He'll show me the pictures beforehand, and he's so proud of it and how good it looks. And then within three months, they literally trashed the place. They don't care. And it's very frustrating. And then, you know, a lot of the charities that are trying to help them don't have enough resources to stay on top of them. And he's like, well, I become a case manager now, and that's not what I was trying to be. I was trying to be a, you know, a landlord. And it really sounds like much like what you do. Very caring person who wants to help these people and, you know, can run into that. How do you deal with that when you have those kinds of issues?

So the first couple of years, we were just basically case managers. Right. Like you said. And it. And it becomes so training. We all have a finite amount of time, and it. We would fix up these units, and they would get trashed. And then we'd fix up these units, they get trashed, and then we're out of cash.

Yep.

And.

It'S like, well, crud. You know, how do I do this? So now I have to sell the property because it needs to go to somebody else who can bring on new cash.

With the acquisition. And banks will always do new cash at acquisitions. When you come and say, hey, I need a loan to fix up this property, they say, no, you own it. You need to do it yourself. I was like, well, if I sell it and then buy a new one, you'll give me cash? Oh, yeah, happy to do that. So you're like, okay, all right. Yeah, banking rules, whatever. So what we learned is that it's really about governance. All right? And so if we Have a larger apartment complex where there's staff on site. And then we do routine inspections, routine checks. We do fines, small fines, $15, $25, you know, escalating fines. Warning, warning, warning. Fine, fine, fine. You know, you can't leave trash all over your balcony. You can't do this. We walked in and saw holes in the wall. You're going to pay for that, and you have to do that, because if there's no accountability, then there's no.

Then there is no governance, period.

But it's got to be frustrating when you've spent all this money and you're helping these people, and then they sometimes, yeah, and you get the ones that really do want to be good tenants. And so I'm sure some of those balance out. But it's frustrating when you see somebody who you've tried to help so much. And just like you said, this. This guy has had to sell a few of the properties to try to get more cash to. To try to do it again. And it's. And it's frustrating.

It's taken us. So we've been doing this now for four years. We really kind of pinned it down. This year, I think, is when we finally got it all sorted out where we're no longer being case managers. We are working with all the people who can be case managers, because that's what they're set up to do, not us. We're going to be the property owners. We're going to take very good care of the property. We're going to ensure that people abide by the rules and take care of the property. And if not, they can't buy by the rules. They need to go someplace else. They need to go live with family, they need to go live with friends. They need to go someplace where they can learn and sit and think about how to be obedient to the basic laws of the land, you know?

Yeah. And like I said, we. I was in Colombia at one point. This, I thought, was sort of fascinating to me. It really made an impact on me. I was driving back to the airport, and there were just these rows of just, like, houses that looked like they were falling down, like you mentioned, you know, just, you know, aluminum, you know, roofs and just sidings and. And yet the thing that was so fascinating to me as I was driving, I was watching these women that were outside on the front porch sweeping, and I thought, they're still taking pride.

Right.

We would look at that and go, you know, we probably wouldn't want to put our garden tools in those Kinds of places, right. And yet these people were taking pride in trying to clean it up. And I thought, you know, it's all relative, right? Like where you are in your life.

And it is. And what. Something we found, too, is that when we come and take over a property, it takes about six months before the lights trigger in people's minds for. For everyone. You can feel the. The difference. But we always get this. Thank you so much for buying the property. Thank you so much. We've been really wanting to do something. We've, you know, we've been anxious to have a clean place. And. And so we. We always get all that. We always get. Like, our kids have always wanted a playground. The playground here was removed a long time ago, and now we have a new playground. The kids are happy. There's all of these.

And people all of a sudden just like, well, I used to throw my trash out on the porch because everyone else did. Now I clean my porch, right? And that. That pride comes in. So in the end, there's only a few bad apples, and you have to get rid of the bad apples. You have to.

Yeah. I mean, you know, he. He's experienced that, you know, a number of times. And, you know, it's. It's really stressful, and his heart is so big, you know, to try to help these people. You know, that's what I love, the fact that he does. But he's learning that process. He probably get a lot of value out of talking to you about that because he gets discouraged at times. He's like, I make this really beautiful home for them, and within few months, they've just literally trashed it. You know, bring in new mattresses, and they won't care and they'll spill all over.

You have to get away from the sense of entitlement and into a sense of ownership. And the only way you can transition from entitlement to ownership is by making them own the responsibility of the property itself. They have to own the responsibility of the apartment, and they have to pay for it. There's got to be some kind of transaction there, because for the vast majority of us humans, we just don't. I mean, we're all it. Right? You, like.

We all get this way where something that we're used to having all the time, we tend to neglect it. Right? It's just. It's always there. It's, oh, that's my cup. I'll just throw it in the sink. Instead of setting it gingerly in the sink, you just toss it. It's fine, right? And so when we shift to that sense of ownership, that's. That's when things really happen and change. And as a leader and an officer in the Air Force, I'd come into like a new section and I've got all my staff there, and people say, oh, this person's been a struggle. So the first thing I would do for that person who I would say is on the struggle bus or is, you know, getting in trouble all the time, it was get to know them a little bit and then give them a responsibility and then hold them accountable for that responsibility. Something in their wheelhouse that they can understand, that they can see, help them see the vision of what can be, and then put them in charge of that. And nine times out of 10, those people would change dramatically. And I remember one, one gal who came to me, always getting in trouble, always getting written up. A year and a half later, she was winning every single award. Airman of the year, this and that. And she became a beast. She was just killing it. And it was all because I gave her responsibility and she did it. I didn't do it, she did it. Right. I just gave her. Opened up a space for her where she could thrive and she killed it. And so people said, well, I don't know what happened. She did it.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. It's one of the things we work with an organization that helps people who've been in addiction. So they're pretty much being on the streets. So they allow them to come in and they provide the housing for them, the meals for them. So they're living on this, this property and. And more dorm type facilities, you know, so it's not like luxury housing, but they get them jobs. So they have a whole bunch of sponsors that come in and will sponsor. They have mentor nights, it's all men, but they'll come in and they'll, you know, work with them and then they'll hire them and they're. So they get driven to work, they get driven home, they get all their meals prepared, but they have to maintain the property. So their job is. I mean, they're constantly. You go over there and it's really impressive to watch. You know, they'll be scrubbing floors, they'll be vacuuming, they'll be doing all these different things. They have to read every night. And just like you talked about, they're making them accountable. And they have. And I remember being there one day and I was thinking, oh, this is really harsh. Like the way they were treating this one guy who was not doing it. And it was like, you know, they have what they call a voluntold program, right? They have to voluntold right to feed the homeless. Like so they go down on Sundays and they said, the difference between you and them right now is your ability to be accountable and do what you need to do. Because if you can't, you can't stay here. We're giving you a chance. And what they do is they can stay there for up to two years. They take the money that they're making, they have a bank account set up for them and they're giving them what they call their pillars, learning how to, you know, the importance of housing, the importance of having a good automobile, you know, having a bank account, paying your bills. So they do all that for them. And it's pretty remarkable to watch. And like I said, one guy and I was saying, wow, like they were kicking him out because he went over to the fence and because somebody pulled up and he was over at the fence talking to this guy and they said, you can't do that, we've told you. He goes, well, I wasn't doing anything. He just dropped by and they said that's how drugs get on the property. You know the rules, right? You're out. You can go back to the Coalition for the Homeless, you can spend a month there, reapply, and we'll get a report from them as. And I was like, can you just cut him a little bit of a break? Like he seems to say. And I went, no, right. Otherwise we'll have chaos.

And that's it. And that was the hard lesson we learned, is that you cut a little bit of break and all of a sudden you have 15 people live in an apartment and it's really bad, really bad scenario, right? And then when you say I'm sorry, you have to leave, they destroy it, Just destroy it. Because it's your fault that they haven't paid rent in six months. Even though you provided them access to all the different ways you, you got them free money but they would refuse to pay rent. And so it's your fault. So they're going to take it out on you because they have no accountability, they will not accept responsibility for their actions and they're just not mature enough to handle living in an apartment. What they need to do is go live with family or friends who are mature enough and can take care of that responsibility until they learn how to do it. They're still in a five year old or eight year old kid, you know, position in their mind where they got mommy and daddy to take care of them. If not, then they get mad and throw a fit. It's one of the things that we started doing also is because we can't, I can't buy every single distressed apartment and do it. There's just, there's, there's just too many out there. There's the never endings apply. And once we get. At some point we'll transition to just. I've got some other really big ideas and ways to change and fix entire slums. There's ways in my mind that you can f an entire slum. But to get there, what we're doing is we're starting to partner with other operators and other people who are investors who are willing to take on a big role in it and making them the primary sponsors. This is something that no other syndicator does.

Everyone we talk to like, well, if you're gonna do this and I'm in charge and I'm this and I'm that and we're gonna take all the deal and blah, blah, blah. So what we're doing is opposite because we just think differently. So we're partnering with folks and say, okay, you're the general, you're the senior here, you'll get the largest portion of the deal. But you're going to have to take on all these responsibilities and we'll support you. And we will provide construction that we renovate units between 2 to $8,000 cheaper than anyone I've ever seen do units for, because we just have our own crews and we knock out three units per crew per week. This is kind of our standard. We've done 260 units the past year or so. So we're really. We renovate a lot of apartments because we're doing them so fast, we can do it at a really good rate. And then, you know, we have our, our property management machine that's very, very familiar with working with the city, working with charities, working with Boys and Girls Club to come in and have their own place where kids can do after school, studying together. You know, we're very familiar with all these different entities and machines. So I can't duplicate myself, but we can work with other sponsors who are willing to take on the lead sponsor role and own the majority share of the, of the property and the entity and do the work. So whether that's in Cincinnati, whether that's in New York, whether that's in California, if that's something that you want to do as a, as a real estate investor, and you're willing to take on the role of overseeing the project and everything else. We can support you and help you take on these very distressed properties and provide all the input and everything you need to do to be able to do that and be successful. Because we've learned the hard way how to do this and have things just destroyed and, you know, get kicked out and, you know, all these other issues and running out of cash. And so we don't need do that stuff anymore. And so rather than have you have to do it and learn the hard way or give up, as most people do.

We'Re happy to help folks take these big tasks on and do it. And that includes raising the capital and putting everything else together.

I think probably, I love what you said is how you think differently. That's really the key. Because most people would come in and say, you know, the traditional thing is, I'm putting up all the money. I'm taking the bulk of this. Right. Where you're willing to come in and work with people. That sounds like. And then also, don't you think it has to get to a certain scale? Like, so this. This guy that. That I know is he has some people trying to do some of the renovations for him, and he's trying to do some of it on his own, but if he had a bigger team behind him, it would be a lot easier to do, you know, because he's. He's like herding cats, right? And.

Yeah, right.

And so it's just like one thing. Whack a mole, he whacks that mole, and then another one pops up somewhere else.

You have to have a team. It's the only way to do it. And my construction team, they are so incredibly good at this stuff.

And just so fast. We've been very, very blessed by being able to pull together the guys that we do, and they're willing to travel anywhere in the US and we typically have them on three or four projects at any given time, renovating units, interiors, exteriors, doing all the work. And then we'll hire local contractors that we have to for electrical, plumbing, because they have to be licensed with the city and everything else like that. And every city has their own rules. And so all that we just handle with the local guys that we need. But everything else that we can do and we can touch, we can knock that stuff out so quick and systematically. And everything's got the same floor, everything's the same color walls. We know exactly how to do this on a very.

Quick and expeditious scale. So those things save so much money and it helps, you have to. And it generates profit and value to the residents and it produces profit and value to, you know, the operators, the owners.

Yeah, yeah. Well, the other thing that I think is interesting is this is where I think we have a connection to what we do is a lot of the people that we were just talking about who can't, you know, stay on task or, or be able to do those things are dealing with a lot of, in our experience, a lot of trauma. And that's one of the things that we do really well is help people who have had trauma because like you said, they get stuck as a five year old or a six year old. It's because they were so traumatized as a child and then they, as they're growing up, there's no real help for them. Everything is all teaching them how to live and manage and cope with it. And like you said earlier about the preventative, there's so many things that we could do to prevent this childhood abuse that's going on that is creating all the things that you're dealing with, with having these people, they get into drug addiction, they just give up and they're so beaten down and they don't see any way out. And what's great is if you could just give them that little hand up. Not a hand out, but a hand up. Some people will rise up, some people can't because of what, what I say is, you know, a true pandemic in our, in our world, not just our country, but our world, is abuse of children, in particular, sexual abuse. And we see people, even high functioning executives. I mean, I work with athletes, world class athletes, CEOs as well as, you know, veterans. We do a lot, we work with the Green Beret foundation, they send us people. But all of a lot of those people, even if they're high functioning, are still dealing with some of those same things. And then that creates. There's a study out. If you haven't read it, it's really fascinating to read. Between 1995 and 97, the CDC and Kaiser Permanente put a survey together of 17,000 people and it's called the ACEs study, ACE which is adverse Childhood experiences and showed the correlation between how many ACEs a child had to what was happening to them in their life. Now, you know, from mental, physical, heart disease, cancer, you know, life expectancy, drug addiction, suicide, it is shocking to see. But we don't do anything. We always are treating the symptoms. And so people are dealing with all of these different things and now they're in their 30s and 40s and they're still stuck. And if we could prevent it, you know, even, you know the controversial thing about COVID was how many people were just in bad health and that's why they got sick and possibly died is they have all of these comorbidities that are affecting and they get hit with COVID Right. And the system is just overwhelmed. So physically and mentally. So like I said, a lot of the stuff that you're doing connects up to what we do as well and trying to help people. If you can resolve the trauma, then you can then allow these people to perform. And that's why we call it a performance program, not trauma therapy. Because I say the same thing to everybody. There's nothing wrong with you and there's nothing wrong with your mind. Your mind has been affected by events and experiences in your lifetime that are unique to you. And they have had a. They've created a way that your mind is responding to it. And if we can get to the core of where that trauma started and we can, we can actually relieve the effects of it. It's life changing.

Yeah. They have to be.

Only way for that to happen is for them to find some humility and open up and let down some of those walls. One of the things that has been remarkable that we're seeing is.

So school systems. If you buy a large apartment community for like our elementary school, I forget like 20% of the kids that go to the elementary school live in our apartment community. That's a massive amount.

That is right.

And so if, if so those kids are under our care as landowners now. I'm not, I'm not responsible for feeding them or clothing and that's what they're their mom or hopefully they have two parents in the home. But.

What we are responsible for is providing some governance and keeping those kids safe on the community or within the community that we can the safest as we can. And so what we have found is like doing simple things to ensure that they can their moms and or dads. I say moms because usually it's just single moms anymore. That's the way of the world. No one has responsibility. I can have kids with whoever I want to, but I'm not going to be responsible for my kids. Right. And so we new society has absconded responsibility from anyone. Everyone just do whatever they want. Right. So now dads have no responsibilities to take care of their kids with whatever woman they had a child with. And so which anyways we won't talk about. All that. We're going to talk about is what I can handle.

Right?

Where I can lift is only where I stand. And so what we're. We're seeing is that if we can help them stay in a place, they become less transient and then they're able to see the same healthcare workers, are able to see the same teachers, they're able to see over and over again and build relationships. And you know that it takes time to break down these walls and overcome these challenges so that people can perform, and you need that time. And if they're not going to be there for more than just a few months and they're gone, it's impossible to make much of a difference. And so doing simple things like making sure that there's washers and dryers that work on the property so that mom or dad or whoever's watching the laundry is not having to drive downtown and spend six or eight hours a week and $200 a month doing laundry. They can do it there at the community or maybe even in their own unit. And now they have all this extra time to spend with their K.

Yeah. And as like I said, so many of these people are just stuck in this spiral. And so, so I have to commend you, I think it's fantastic to what you're doing, right, that you're caring about these people and, and doing it the right way. We need more and more people out there doing the kinds of things that you're doing and we're doing, helping people. It's a team effort. And if we can just get more people on board and on the team, then I think we can start changing things. But you're right, society has changed a lot from when we were kids and growing up. You just didn't see some of the things you're seeing today. It's frightening.

It is frightening, especially when there's so much research supporting.

The vital roles that parents play in the lives of their kids. And we're just. Society is going against parents. So, you know, wholeheartedly, it's all about selfishness. It's all about doing whatever you want. And it's all about.

Reducing your responsibility. And now you and I and others are trying to say, no, no, no, no, let's bring responsibility back in. Because if not, entitlement is.

Deadly. Right? So I. Speaking of it. So we've been talking about this concept of doing good. I just want to share, you know, this concept of clean money where we can have a social impact, we can do good.

In a way where that we know what's happening with our dollars, we know what's changing other people. So if somebody comes and supports you guys and what they're doing is their money's going and being channeled in a way that they know a good outcome is going to happen. Right?

Right.

Same with us. If you invest with Wild Mountain, with, with me, your, your money's going to change other people's lives when you buy.

You know, society has gotten to this point too, or we don't know. We. Where you are taught the only thing that matters is our return on, on our investment. So I only invest in stock market because I know I'm going to average an 8% return over 50 years. And so you have no idea what your money is going. So if you buy, let's say you buy bitcoin. Okay. Bitcoin is mined all over the world. It's mined by drug cartels. Mine bitcoin and then they sell it and then they use that money to do their dastardly deeds. So you just bought bitcoin and who knows, you may have just bought bitcoin that was produced by drug cartel who use that money to order a hit and take down a family that didn't want to buy their drugs or whatever.

Yep, yep.

Yeah. So you just don't know.

So you have investors come in. So if people want to get involved and do that. So what you mean by that clean money is the money staying clean. It's taking care of people and doing the right things, you know where it's going. So if people want to do that or they want to do sort of what my friend is doing, they should reach out to you and you can help them with that as well.

Absolutely. And you may not want to invest in apartment communities, but, you know, we're working on coming up with just like clean money scores, companies that do use their money. Well, other companies that have gotten in trouble, like ubs, a huge bank, got in trouble because they have all these bank accounts open to known money laundering organizations, known criminal organizations, and they never shut them down because they're enjoying the cash that's coming into their bank.

Yep.

Right. And so rather than do what is right, their, their hands are soiled. They're, you know, they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing and they're not shutting these organizations down. And you may think, well, who that doesn't care. I'm like, well, it matters, right? Because these funds are getting either produced by unscrupulous ways, maybe they're the guys who stole money from your grandma and tricked her into giving them money. Right. And so it's hurting us personally. I've been scammed before. I know many other people have been scammed. It's hard when you're. Yeah. And so you're like, ah, I hate those people. Well, you're supporting those people because your money just went to support the bank. That's, you know, allowing them to do their thing. Right. And so we need to, we should. And it's our responsibility to use our money wisely and to use it in a way that's going to promulgate or support good.

Things in our communities, good things in our country and our nation. Regardless of where we're at, America, anywhere else, we need to use our money to support those activities that are good.

Well, it's so nice knowing that someone like you out there doing that. And if people want to reach out and contact you, how do they, how do they do that?

Sure. Please reach out to me, Sam. Wildmountaincapital.com all spelled out wildmountaincapital.com you can find me on Instagram, Samuel Sells, or sorry, Instagram, I'm pound clean money Sam. LinkedIn, Samuel Sells. You can even find me on Twitter. Nobody follows me on Twitter. Which is, which is just fine.

But, you know, it's.

You know, I'm old, so I'm just trying to get used to doing all these things on social media. I've always felt like I shouldn't, we should just do this inside and not try and make ourselves popular doing it. Now what we're trying to do is share the message that you can make money doing good in the world and everyone should try. You don't need to, you don't have to invest in me. Love it if you do. Great, fantastic. Do you want to go invest with somebody else? I'm happy to provide some, you know, some thoughts about what they're doing clean money wise and are they investing it wisely or not. But yeah, please reach out any of those things or go to my website while mountaincapital.com and check us out there.

I think another thing, and this is just, just popped into my head right now. If you're a family member who has a family member that's struggling like that, right. This may be the, the difference in their lives. If they can find someone like you, Sam, that has those opportunities to let them start to grow and build, maybe exactly what they needed to hear. So, again, if you're a family member trying to get your Your, you know, brother, sister, uncle, whatever it is on their feet, find a place like. Like Sam's providing. You know, at the same time, that's what our program does, is help, you know, people who are dealing with mental illness or things like that, addiction. We help in all those ways. So there are resources out there, and I think what's great about having these podcasts are exposing this to people, because it's pretty discouraging if. If you've got a family member that's been struggling for years and in and out of mental institutions and not getting the support, there are things out there that. That can help. So I. I appreciate all your time here today and getting to know you a little bit more. I've. I've learned quite a bit. I know. I'm sure a lot of people have as well, so this is great.

Thank you so much for having me on the show, and just an absolute delight and pleasure to get to speak with you and. And enjoy your.

Your presence, your. Your attitude, and your willingness to serve in such an inspiring way. And I'm inspired by the. All the things that you're doing. It's just fantastic. And there's got to be more of us out there. We just need to share the message and let people know that there's a way, you know, there's a way to help others and there's a way to find help.

You know, since we just had this just last week, there's a lady, Sunny Jacobs, who we work a lot with the Innocence Project. So people who have been wrongfully incarcerated for years, and then they get exonerated. Sunny is one of the most famous cases in the world. She spent 17 years on death row. She went through our program, her testimonials on our site, and then she built something called the Sunny Center. She's actually in Ireland, but she built the Sunny center in Tampa, Florida, where exonerees can go and live. And so she provides the housing for them to help, same kind of thing that you're sort of doing. And one of their residents who's just moved in in the last month, came to see me. We took her through our program, and Sunny sent me a message on the weekend saying she's sleeping so peacefully now. So that trauma got all relieved, and she just couldn't thank me enough again for helping. So, again, it's just great to share with people like you who are also helping people. So thank you again for your time and everything that you do for people, and I'm sure we'll probably be in touch more often.

So hope so.

All right. Well, thank you again, everybody, for listening to another podcast of you must be out of your mind. And we look forward to seeing you on the next episode. Take care.