Peak Performance Breakthroughs with Dr. Don Wood ES067

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Today's guest is Dr. Don Wood. Dr. Don is an author, speaker, founder and CEO of the Inspired Performance Institute and creator of the patented TIPP method, which you are going to hear more about in today's episode. But real quick, deep dive here. TIPP is a cutting edge peak performance method inspired and developed through the newest understandings in neuroscience and designed to clear away the effects of disturbing or traumatic events whether we knew we had them or not. It is to repurpose old patterns and set the individual's mind up for peak performance. In essence, it reboots the brain's stuck thought patterns, making it possible to enhance alpha oscillations with a non invasive and effective shift in brain wave activity. Dr. Dahn is the author of two top selling books, Emotional Concussions and you'd Must Be out of youf Mind. I think you're going to love this. So here is Dr. Don Wood.

Dr. Don, it is so great to have you on the podcast. Welcome to everything.

Very good. I appreciate the invite, Nancy. I'm excited about talking about the topic that you have because I think it's something our whole program is built on performance. Right? It's trauma is interfering with your ability to reach your highest level of performance. So this is a perfect topic that we're going to talk about today.

Yeah, the school of peak performance generally focuses on athletes, right. But there's so much in common between athletes and stage performers or screen performers. Why don't you just tell us a little bit about your work and and how this impacts the world?

Yeah, the program was really developed. The genesis of it was trauma is my wife and my daughter both had experienced trauma. I experienced no trauma as a child, so my nervous system stayed fairly regular. I didn't have to.

Constantly feel that fear. And I played hockey so I could protect myself, so I didn't get bullied or picked on. You don't pick on the hockey players. It's generally not a good idea. And so I. And I had these parents that never yelled, never raised their voice. They were the most calming influence you could imagine. So I stayed fairly regulated. And it was. I thought everybody, Nancy, I thought everybody lived in my world. I thought everybody had my parents. I didn't realize that wasn't true. And it wasn't until I met my wife that I realized she was living in a completely different world with a very angry, violent father. And so her nervous system was constantly in fear. So she was living in fear all the time. And I thought, okay, we got married very young. She's going to be living with me. She's going to be in my world, and all of that will stop.

And.

But it didn't.

Yeah.

Yeah. And I was like, how can I fix this? Right. She. I chose my words carefully. I tried to pace everything. I tried to be very careful, yet I could say something as simple as, no, I don't like that. And she could tear up and start to cry and say, why are you upset with me?

Yeah.

And that made no sense to me because I said, I'm not upset with you. And she'd go, well, you said it this way. And I went, no, I didn't say it that way. Right. But she could hear it that way. She was hyper vigilant.

Yes.

Right. Because she grew up. Right. Learning how to protect herself by recognizing when danger was coming. So she could hear it everywhere.

Yeah.

And she wasn't wrong. And I wasn't wrong.

Well, I was just going to say hyper vigilance. I just love that word. I just want to interrupt and say that the person who is hyper vigilant doesn't realize that they're hypervigilant. They think they're appropriately vigilant. So. Yeah.

Yep. Yeah. Because that was normal to her. So I was the opposite. And so she was doing that because her brain had learned. Right. That she needed to protect herself. And she had to listen very carefully to the way her father spoke because she could recognize when the danger was coming. And that was time to get out. Right. Time to hide, get in your room, get out of the house, whatever it was.

Yeah.

And so there was nothing wrong with her mind. And when she was saying, you said it that way, and I said, no, I didn't say it that way. We were both right.

Right.

Which is really interesting. So when you look at communication between spouses or partners or whatever, you can see how quickly it could deteriorate. If both were feeling like the other one was saying something differently, then it's the word. And this is perfect for your topic. It's the words in the music. Right. The music. Right. Is the intentionality of it. Like what. I'm saying it with love, but she's hearing the words as if I'm yelling at her.

Yeah, sure. Yeah. It's the setting. Yeah. The interpretation.

And so I couldn't change it. And the reason I couldn't change it is because the trauma was continuing to loop for her. It was staying active. It was in an active response mode. And so my daughter was the same thing. When she was 14, she was diagnosed with Crohn's, and they said, take her off of dairy and gluten. There's no cure for Crohn's. You just kind of have to manage it. She was an actress, but then she got into singing and dancing as well and started doing that.

The triple threat.

Yeah. Yeah. And, yes, they had just. Very, very talented. But she. What we didn't understand and we didn't know at the time is that she had had some abuse when she was 6 that we were unaware of. And that's where I believe the Crohn's came from. Because the response to trauma is inflammation. Inflammation compromises the immune system and the neurotransmitters. So if your immune system's compromised, you're going to get sick. If your neurotransmitters are compromised, you're going to feel bad, and that. That's going to affect your performance.

I want to back up and just have you repeat that. The response to trauma is inflammation. I mean, I'm aware of that, but I don't think that that. I think that's rare knowledge that the response to trauma. Can you talk about that just a little bit more, help people understand what that means? Yeah.

That's what I discovered, is the cells. When there's a trauma, think about it. If we use it physical, it's easier to describe it in a physical. If somebody was punching me in the arm, what's going to be the response? It's going to become inflamed and swollen. Why? To protect it. And so it become. The cells become hardened and inflamed to protect anything from penetrating the cell. So it's a protection mode until the danger's over. And so when the person stops hitting me, eventually the swelling will come down, the immune system will come online. And start cleaning up and bringing it back in the normal. Right. State.

Yeah.

Perfectly designed system.

Yes.

But when the cells are in that cell danger response. Nothing's getting in the cell, but nothing's getting out of the cell, so it's temporary. So for my daughter, though, what trauma does is trauma keeps looping through the memory system, keeping it active. So her Crohn's was really just inflammation. And I believe it goes to the weakest genetic link in the body because it goes to fortify that area first to protect it. So for my daughter, who was her lower intestinal area, I was going to.

Say, the gut is so essential to human, to any life. Right. Every animal has a gut, no matter how primitive, they've got a gut. And so that makes some really good sense that it goes directly there.

Yep. And so that's where it went to for her. So it became inflamed and hardened, so no food could get through. The only thing they could do is take steroids to reduce the swelling.

Right.

And that was. So it was all medication. Everything was all about medication. What I said was the inflammation was caused because in her mind, the trauma was not resolved. Her mind kept looking at that old data, that memory in real time, activating the inflamed state, activating the cell danger response. And it stayed on. It didn't turn off because the danger wasn't over, according to her mind. Right. Kept looking at the data. So once we got the trauma resolved, the Crohn's went away. She hasn't had a Crohn's flare up. Wow. She also had another lung disorder called idiopathic pulmonary hemosiderosis. So when she was out in LA acting, she lost her SAG insurance because she got so sick with her Crohn's. So we're dual citizens. So she went back up to Canada and said, well, I'll do my acting up there because there's a lot of stuff.

Right.

And I'll use the Canadian insurance.

Yeah.

And then she ended up being rushed to the hospital, was in ICU for three and a half weeks because her lungs were filling up with blood.

Wow.

That's another autoimmune. That's what started me on the research to try to figure out why is this happening. And. And that's when we discovered the trauma, which she hadn't disclosed before. So the trauma was creating these autoimmune issues. So if you talk to people who say, I have Crohn's, ibs, colitis, you know, things like that, it's generally Coming from trauma in most cases.

Wow. Okay. So with that foundation of the impact of trauma on the body.

Talk to me about the person who maybe doesn't think they have the traumas, but they've still got some issues that they're dealing with around performance anxiety or pee performance or some kind of ceiling that they can't break through with their own musical performances. There's. Yeah. Your daughter's trauma you guys discovered.

I didn't know that I had traumas in my background, just like you. I thought that my childhood was appropriate and incredibly common. And it was in many ways. But when I look back on it, it's like, oh, there was this thing, and there was this thing, and there was this thing that ended up with such stage fright that I changed my major in college and did not actually deal with it until I was 34. And then I did. Then I found all those little nuggets. So that's not as traumatic as what your daughter went through. But is that more common or is that something you can address a little bit?

Yeah, it's very common, and I call those. So a lot of people, though, they'll see some of the testimonials from our site, you know, from the Boston Marathon bombing, the Vegas shooting. But no, I don't have anything like that. So I wrote my second book, and I called it emotional concussions. The idea is those are those small T kind of traumas that could be a teacher that was overly critical, a parent that.

Had an addiction issue, but they may not have been abusive. But if your safety is affected as a child, that is going to be emotional concussions. Because the number one fear for the human mind is uncertainty.

Okay.

And so the mind wants safety, and it wants to move towards safety all the time.

The number one fear is uncertainty. That. That is a huge nugget right there.

Number one fear.

Wow.

Yeah. And so you think about performing, There's a lot of uncertainty about performing. And so you can see now if you've had experiences like you were just mentioning, maybe some experiences that you were unaware that were affecting you. When I put the research together, I found something called the time slice theory. The time slice theory was developed by two scientists out of the University of Zurich that said, is consciousness streaming. Now, 95% of your mind works on a subconscious basis. 5% works on a conscious basis. That's that frontal lobe, our executive functioning. But what according to the time slice theory, the subconscious, 95% takes in all the information currently that's happening now, processes it, and then sends time Slices like clips from a movie reel, but there's a 400 millionth of a second gap in between the slices. Okay, so your subconscious mind is looking at the data in real time. Your conscious mind is seeing it 400 millionths of a second later. Now, what happens is, and when I saw this, I said, this is making a lot of sense. When your subconscious mind's looking at the data in real time, it does a Google search. What do we know about this information? Have we seen it, heard it, experienced it before, goes into this memory system and starts looking at a whole bunch of data about experiences that look like this. Now, if you've had some disturbing or traumatic kind of information about performing, maybe you froze when you went up on stage one time, or maybe you didn't give your best performance, your mind will start looking at that as research information about how to do this now. But your subconscious operates in real time. So when it looks at a memory from 10 years ago, when does it think the memory is happening? Now.

Now. Yeah.

And it's going to create a response. So now you're going to start feeling your heart racing. You're going to start feeling. But it's not because of what's happening right now. It's because it thinks that event is happening right now. And it's trying to create an emotion to get you into action. So the purpose of an emotion is to take an action. The purpose of fear is to escape a threat. The purpose of anger is to attack a threat. So if you feel fear when you think about something that happened to you 20 years ago, but you don't even.

Know you're thinking of it because it's.

You may not even know it. Yeah, it's subconscious. You're not even consciously aware of it because that's happening below. Your conscious awareness is doing that data research.

Your consciousness is busy coping with your present situation, trying to figure out how to take that next step or that next breath or what the next word is. The frontal lobe is very busy.

Yes, but it's not in charge of survival. So the subconscious is in charge of survival. And if that event created uncertainty about. Even though it's not life and death.

Right.

Your mind is then going to create a physiological response to it. You think you're responding to what's happening now. So that's why when I said, when I used to think, when I said to my wife, no, I don't like that, she'd tear up and start to cry. Yeah, I thought, oh, how did I say something like that? How did I get her to cry. It wasn't what I said. What happened is, is that when I would say that her mind would take that information in, and if I had a little tension in my vocal cord from maybe something frustrating earlier in the day, I hadn't quite settled it down. Right. She could hear that slight little tension change and her mind would do the Google search and say, what do we know about men who start to sound like that?

Yes.

Flood of data from her father would come in. That's why she was crying. But I didn't know that.

Right.

So I thought, well, I've got to choose my words better. I've got to pace it better. And yet I could still activate her. And that's a word, Nancy, I use all the time. I don't use triggers. I don't. Your mind wouldn't trigger you. Trigger sounds violent. Right. And activation is calling in for an activation. Why is your mind activating your nervous system? The nervous system is designed to respond with a fight or flight response. Why is it doing that? Because it's looking at old data. It's confused by the old data.

And I was. While you were telling the story about the relationship with your spouse, which is hugely valuable to me actually right now, like, oh, that's why I. But aside from that, back to our topic. If I'm in the wings and I'm looking out at the audience, I might see a similar face to something that has caused me trauma in the past.

That's it.

Or I might see an expression. If, you know, that we're, as performers, we're all incredibly grateful for a happy, engaged audience. Right. Because that's encouraging. Encouraging. And. But if it's, oh, heaven forbid you're singing something that's sad or depressing, because then the whole audience just. They look terrible. And you gotta be careful not to look at the audience in that case, or. Or in my case, I absolutely love singing at funerals. That's. That's a weird quirk about me. And so I know that if I see someone wiping their eyes. Yes. Nailed it. Because I have to come up with something to get past this. I made them cry. Sc.

You know, score. Yeah.

But. But the. Anyhow, back to. We just can't even know what might be activating the performance anxiety or the concern that we might have that is decreasing our peak performance on the stage.

Yes. And so the idea is, is to reboot the system. Take that old traumatic memory that's been stored and keeps being used as a resource. So here's a great way to explain it. If I asked you what you ate for dinner last night, can you tell me what you ate for dinner?

Yes, I can. I had turkey burger on a gluten free bun and baked beans. Awesome.

So when I asked you that, you saw pictures, right? Of what you did?

I totally. Okay, yes.

That's how you stored the information about dinner last night? No other animal does that? Only humans. We store explicit details about events and experiences. Now last night wasn't threatening or disturbing. So it's stored as a pretty low resolution file. Not a lot of detail. Right. You could remember it because it was last night. But if that had been a threatening, disturbing event, your senses are heightened. Sight, smell, hearing. So how's it going to record it? Very bright, very intense. Now it stores it with tremendous detail. And now you're going about to perform and your mind then says, what do we know about performances? And it starts to go into some of that high definition traumatic memory and then start seeing it in real time. That's why you're feeling the fear. Does that make sense?

It does. I love that it's actual pictures that we consciously might not be aware of. Probably.

It's below your conscious awareness. It's doing this Google search, it's researching what do we know about standing on stages. And so it looks at all the data. So what we're going to do, what I do in our program is we get your mind to reprocess that high definition data into the same format as to what you ate for dinner last night. And then it stops calling for the action. It's just information. What do we need to do about World War II? Nothing. But your mind doesn't know that.

Right? Okay.

And so all we have to do is reset the memory.

Okay. Okay. So I've got a traumatic memory in college. If you don't mind if I throw this out there. Every Friday for my freshman and sophomore year, my voice studio, which was about 12 students and the teacher and the piano player would gather together and we would need to perform for each other. And so my performance, my stage fright, my performance anxiety grew in that situation because the first time I was nervous and so maybe I didn't do things really well. And that's the teacher's job, to stand up and criticize you. Which means the next week I noticed that I was more nervous and I had more anxiety about being criticized in front of my peers by the teacher. It built. It built and built and built. So this isn't the cause of my performance anxiety, but it sure did help so how would I reframe that? How would I reboot that? Actively in it?

We would take you through a process. I do a four hour process. It basically gets the mind, so I don't even need to know the details of it. We can do it all visually, we can do it where you can talk about it. There's a few different ways that I take. But I take you through about a two minute highlight reel of that event while you're in a very relaxed alpha brainwave state.

Okay.

That memory was stored in a high beta state. Right. So your mind was taking in a tremendous amount in high beta, which.

Absolutely right.

The reason I use a four hour program is because it takes me an hour and a half to two hours to get you in to that really relaxed alpha brainwave state. So when you're in that relaxed alpha and I say, okay, Nancy, let's take a look at that event when you're in front of your teacher as you're going through it, I take you through a process in that minute, two minutes that gets the mind to reprocess into alpha, takes all the intensity out of it. And then, so I've worked with people who, for example, I worked with a US army sniper who had to shoot and kill a 12 year old boy. He just sobbed. He said, I can't live with myself anymore. And by the time I was finished, he could give me a complete description of what happened that day. And he said to me, he says, how did you do this? How can I talk about it now without that like my heart pounding and me crying?

Yeah.

And I said, because for eight years your mind was trying to get you not to pull the trigger. It was calling for an action that's not possible.

My mind was getting me, trying to get me to not sing. Don't sing, don't sing. It'll only hurt.

Yeah, yeah. So it was trying to stop something that's not possible to stop. And if your mind keeps calling for that action and you can't do the action, you can see how it could build up. And then when you do go to perform, right. Your mind still uses all this data as its research. And if it's in high definition, and as long as it stays in high definition, it becomes a priority to review.

And you take it out of that. A lot of times people will say, now I hardly even think, I don't even really think about it anymore. It's gone where before it was top of mind.

And you don't you personally, as, as the person leading this don't need to know the details. You know, if. For. For most of these like that a soldier is a one off. That is a massive big T trauma.

Yeah.

These. What did you call them? The concussions.

Concussions. Emotional concussions. Yeah.

A person can rack up a ton of emotional concussions in a lifetime.

A lot. Especially if you're a performer.

Yeah, right.

You could have gone out to do, you know, hundreds of performances, and some of them were great, and some of them weren't so great, and some you got. You read the reviews the next day and you got criticized because you didn't like the dress.

Yes. Yeah.

It had nothing to do with that. So those are the kinds of things that sort of build up. And this is why when I work with a great example in my book, the first book I wrote called you must be out of your mind. And in that book I talk about. I worked with a professional golfer and I said, do you think you need to be confident to play good golf? He says, yeah. I said, what if I told you you don't need confidence to play good golf? He goes, I don't need confidence. I said, I'm not saying you don't need it, but you don't have to use it. I said, confidence is a byproduct of your skill. When you execute your skill, your confidence goes up. If you don't execute your skill, your confidence goes down. Confidence is like the friend that when you're moving that weekend, they're busy, they're not going to show up.

Confidence. Don't put confidence in front of your skill. Right. So I'm sure you're a very accomplished performer. Right. That's what you have. You have a skill. You don't need confidence.

Get all this emotional stuff out of the way. You've got the skills.

And what I said to him, I said, you're in the top few hundred people in the world that can do what you do. Right. I said, there's nothing you can accomplish on a golf course. You can hit a ball into the woods and hit a ball now in between two trees six inches apart and get back out onto the fairway. I said, take the average person. They couldn't do that. They don't have your skill level. What do you need confidence for? You've got a tremendous talent that will always carry you. And I said, so don't think confidence is your friend. It's not. It will leave you when you need it. And I said, rely on your skill. So I worked with this guy and he was playing in a Tournament. He was going on to the final day, the fourth day. He was leading the tournament by five strokes.

Nice.

His very first tee shot on the first hole on the last day, he hit out of bounds, which is the worst thing you could do. First shot of the day.

Wow. Yeah.

And he's smiling. And this caddy goes, you're really smiling right now. You just hit the ball out of bounds. And he says, I just heard Dr. Wood in my head say, your ball and your confidence just went out of bounds into the woods. They left, it's gone. You don't need them, right? Hit the next ball down the middle of the fairway. Use your skill now go. And he said, you took all the fear in the golf course away. It's so true, right? I always say that about singers and I say, you know, you'll watch this singing competition and they're, they're so nervous beforehand and they come out and they sing like an angel. And I go, man, if I was, I had that skill, the last thing I would be is fearful or scared because I'd be saying, can I go out first? Because everyone's going to want to go home after they hear me, like, the competition is over.

Right.

That's the way their mind should be, right.

So as long as they don't feel like a fraud, which most of us do. Right. It's like.

But that's coming from those experiences, those emotional concussions and traumas, right? Because it's not true.

It's not true. You got here. Yeah, yeah.

You put in all the work, you've developed your talent, you've got a tremendous skill. I have zero ability to sing. If I went up on stage, I would be scared because I don't have your skill.

You know what? This is actually, thank you for saying it this way. This is one of the last pieces of me getting over my stage fright was I started working with a top tier, world class voice teacher who I had complete confidence in. And he said, I wouldn't be working with you if you weren't worthy of this stuff.

There it is.

There it is.

Yeah, there it is, right? You have a skill. That skill will always be with you. It's not going to leave you. Right. Just rely on your skill, don't worry about anything else. And your skill will always carry you. Confidence is a byproduct of your skill. It's not your skill, it's what happens after you execute your skill.

Awesome.

Don't put it in front. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, okay. I hate to do this, but we need to move on, we need to talk about your brain mapping research. Yes. But I know anybody listening to this has a million questions. So at the end of this show, we will talk about where they can learn more from you and tell me a little bit about the research you're doing on brain mapping.

Well, we were getting such great results. People are saying how life changing it was. We're seeing. I love working with athletes because you can see it so quickly that that person who won that tournament, who hit the ball out of bounds, that was the first tournament he played in after going through our program, and he won the tournament. I've got lots of people who are breaking world records, winning championships right after going through the program.

Wow.

I'm not making them better. They already had that talent.

Yeah.

So I worked with Marco Giussetto, who was a double amputee, lost both his legs. He's a marathon runner, and then he's now running on blades. He came in to see me nine days later, takes 15 seconds per mile off his time.

Wow.

I said, marco, I didn't make you a better runner. You always were that good. You just didn't have that extra energy that was looping right in your nervous system when we freed that up. And then a few weeks later, he runs in the Boston Marathon and breaks the world record. He's now the world record holder for amputees running in marathons. So many of these. So it's the same thing with performing and singing. If your nervous system is dysregulated, it's pulling energy and power that's going to show up maybe in your voice. Right. It could or couldn't. Right.

Oh, 100%. All of this tension gets held up in the voice. It's. This is a narrow pipe. The throat is. And a lot of emotional stuff goes through it.

So you don't want that energy trapped. Right. You don't want that energy held back. Working on your performance when you're 10 years old, trying to fix it and say, don't sing to your teacher because. Going to criticize you.

Yeah. And that locks everything up.

And it's trying to stop you, to protect you. When people say, oh, I sabotage myself, I go, it's impossible. The brain's survival base is always going to protect you. It's going to activate your nervous system to protect you. So we're getting all these great results. And it was like, how do we measure it? How can we? Because a lot of scientists would look at that and say, well, that's anecdotal information. You Know, testimonials are nice. You know, people are saying they feel great, but prove it. So we started to say, let's do some brain mapping. We did a brain map that's measuring the activity of the brain.

We did a brain map prior to the session, and then we did brain maps 30, 60, 90 days after the session. The gentleman who was doing the brain mapping for us, he was actually very skeptical. He said, I really don't think you're going to get what you're looking for. I don't think you're going to see the changes that you think you're going to get. He goes, I can tell you if you got a 20% change in brain plasticity, you've, in my mind, hit it out of the ballpark.

That's like taking magic mushrooms. I mean, that's, that's a big change. Yeah.

So he said, that would be a big change if you got that. We finished. We're still adding to the study. But when we finished that initial study, you know what our average was in brain plasticity change?

No.

46.8%.

Wow.

Across the brain. Not just in the survival limbic system, amygdala area, but in the frontal lobe, the executive functioning area. Right. The occipital area, the temporal areas, major changes throughout the brain. Which showed when we get the brain to calm down, and a lot of the times the occipital lobe, O1 and O2 are the two markers in the back. People who are experiencing post traumatic stress. That area of the brain's lit up because it's looking at the memory, the data. And so when we calm that down, those were two areas that changed a lot. The temporal areas as well, T4 and T5, changed.

Wow.

Fascinating. Which just validated that when you get the nervous system and you get the memory to reset, then you can stay present. And if you stay present with your skill, your performance goes wild because there's no fear anymore. Right. The mind is staying fully present in the moment. And I use this as an example. I'll say, because the animal world works like that. I say a zebra cannot feel fear of a lion unless there's a lion present. Zebras aren't thinking about lions. They don't remember a lion. Right. They don't store information about the moment, so they're living in the moment. That's why there's a book out there saying zebras don't get ulcers.

Right? Yes.

Because the only thing that will activate the nervous system in an animal is a current threat. Okay. And so. But we store information about lions and we remember the lion hurting us yesterday.

And we lose.

So now we're perpetual. Lion.

Disrupted our system.

What is the relationship between increasing plasticity and.

Being our best selves?

Well, if we're stuck and we're not. Don't have that ability to be, to change and to morph. Right. So we get stuck in a pattern.

Okay.

The plasticity allows the change to happen. There's nothing to interfere. So you can grow tremendously. You can make all kinds of changes in the way your mind's operating.

It's like being chained to a chair versus being free to go and do and live the best.

Oh, yeah. Have you ever heard that story about where they take an elephant and they chain an elephant right to a post? Right.

Yes.

And the elephant just walks around in circles.

Circles.

And then they unchain them and he just still walks around in circles.

Yeah. Because they don't know they're free. Yeah.

That's what the plasticity does. It frees up the brain to do whatever it needs to do. And that changes everything about the system.

Awesome.

I'm sorry to say that this is where we have to end this conversation for today.

Time flies, doesn't it?

Time flies. Can you tell us where you would like us to find you to learn more about this?

The best place to go is our. We have an inspired performance institute website. But an easier way to remember it is Get Tip Tipp. That's the name of our program, gettip.com and then you'll find a lot of the information. You can look at the testimonials, people who have experienced, you know, massive changes in their life after going through the program. It'll give you the information about the books. There's a ton of podcasts that I've been on. A lot of times people listen to the podcast and they say, oh my gosh, you're talking about me or you're talking about my wife or my husband. Right.

So you're in Florida. Do we need to come to Florida to do the program?

You can come to see me one on one. So I do that. We also do groups so we can do it in a group. So I'll work sometimes with corporations and come in and do it for corporation.

Great.

But I also have an online version of the four hour program. So you can sit in the privacy of your own home. Right. And just I take you, walk you all the way through the whole program. And it's very, very effective.

Oh, fantastic. Thank you so much FOR Joining us, Dr. Dahn, this has been amazing.

I really enjoyed it. This is great.

Wow. I'm so glad I got to share Dr. Don with all of you. I'm so glad I found him for myself. I just. I'm pumped. So he's doing amazing work. Please go to his website to learn more or find him on social media. His website is ready for this. It's a lot of letters. Inspiredperformanceinstitute.com that is inspiredperformanceinstitute.com and as for this podcast, if you want to listen to this episode again, which I know you do. I know I do, you have a choice of the audio podcast or YouTube recording on the Every Sing channel. Every Sing is two words.

Thank you to Stephen and Shannon Obent for the great theme music you're about to hear. And let me leave you with this. May you find joy in singing. May you feel the blessings of singing in your body and soul. May you share your voice without judgment. And may you sing with love in your heart. I'm your host, Nancy Boss. Thank you for joining me and people we don't know in a slow down su Just fun maybe we'll stop and stay a while oh baby if you got the time.