Medicine With Meaning: Dr Dino Prato on….
In this extensive interview, Dr. Dino Prato, NMD, discusses his integrative, data‑driven approach to health, emphasizing that disease is highly individualized. He critiques simplistic narratives that label all cancers as parasites or fungi, stressing the importance of comprehensive testing—viral loads, bacterial cultures, heavy‑metal panels, pesticide screens, and pharmacogenomics—to identify each patient’s unique contributors. He reviews the use of repurposed drugs such as ivermectin, fenbendazole, and methylene blue, explaining that they can be effective only when matched to a patient’s tumor micro‑environment and overall biochemistry. Dr. Prato outlines his “four horsemen” framework—cardiovascular disease, cancer, metabolic disease/diabetes, and neurodegeneration/Alzheimer’s—and describes concrete screening tools: CT angiography for soft‑plaque detection, multi‑cancer blood panels, continuous glucose monitoring, and brain CT for perfusion. Nutrition is presented as medicine, with emphasis on whole‑food, single‑ingredient diets, intermittent fasting, and specific nutraceuticals (olive oil polyphenols, zinc‑carnosine, cacao, matcha, ashwagandha). He highlights the role of lifestyle practices—breathwork, meditation, sleep hygiene—and the impact of trauma, including generational and prenatal trauma, advocating for spiritual healing through prayer and inner‑healing work. The conversation also touches on the limitations of the current U.S. healthcare system, the promise of AI‑driven diagnostics, bio‑hacking, and precision medicine, and Dr. Prato’s view on cultural and societal shifts, including concerns about “woke” policies, immigration, and the need for common‑sense, family‑centered values. The interview concludes with invitations to his ENVIta medical center and his "Outsmart Cancer" podcast, which blend scientific, nutritional, and spiritual guidance for patients.
Foreign. Good. Super busy, but by the grace of God, good. Just, you know, between our projects at work and family, we have four kids. So I have four kids and, and I have, my youngest is eight and my oldest is 15. And there's basketball practice. So you add all that with the work of invita. Yeah, you know, large campuses, we have, know, doctors and nurses and you know, pharmacies, researchers. And so being the, the head of the team and quarterbacking in addition to taking care of the family is a full, full schedule.
Well, having the family is a full time job on itself. So doing that on top of everything
else, it's the most important job for sure.
Exactly what we do it all for. I suppose it's, it's a good thing because you want to be busy, you want to be, you want to be sort of, sort of following those passion projects, et cetera. So. So the way I like to do things, I do like to delve a little bit into formative years more so because I'm really interested in finding out a little bit about what makes people who they are later in life. A lot of the work I do in my coaching is, is like it's tied to sort of seeing any kind of behaviors or personality traits that sort of maybe have been seeded in those younger years. So where, where did you grow up?
Well, my family moved here. My mom came from Italy. She moved to the United States from the island of Sicily when she was in her 20s. And my dad and his family moved here from Italy when he was younger, maybe five to seven years old. So I, my parents were immigrants and so I grew up with that culture of family, the support, love, food, you know, and all of the things that come with being Italian. And then we moved from Rochester, New York to Arizona when I was about 5 or 6 years old. And so I've seen this city develop. Scottsdale, like it was all desert and it's, you know, golf courses and communities, beautiful area now. But it's just I've grown up around the development of that and our very large extended Italian family over the years. And so that's kind of. That gives you a little background there.
Amazing. And I suppose that my next question was what was it like? And what, what would you say you were like as a kid? What kind of personality were you?
Super curious.
Yeah.
And a fighter, both. So I was very curious. I had to take everything apart, the, you know, the little radios and figure out how they work and always asked, there was always an inventor in me of how to make everything better. I Think that was instilled in me at a very young age. And I always felt that there was a tremendous value in trying to find out how things work and how you can make them better. At the same time, you know, our. Our family growing up went through some, you know, financial difficulty. So I grew up around the understanding of being responsible, working hard, supporting, and seeing the importance of, like, you know, your. Your growth and your abilities really have a lot to do with your faith. So I had this encounter with the Lord. I was in my teens when I became part of a youth ministry life teen, and I had this beautiful encounter with Jesus that changed my life forever and. And the meaning of my life, you know, and it just. Over the years, that became kind of a strength and a mission for me to always ask the Lord, what should I do? Where do I go and develop this relationship where it's prayer, but it's a guiding, guiding hand to the every little thing I do. And I have a lot of miracle stories I can tell you. I call those that are, you know, those moments. I think everybody has them, but they don't see them where you see the hand of God touching your life or changing a direction. And I've had a lot of those and a lot of those that have brought us to where we are today.
I call them moments of magic. It's synchronicities, coincidences, things that I think throughout life, many people are just kind of conditioned to ignore and get again and see them as coincidences. But I think when you actually start looking at them as these moments of magic, think that you actually start seeing these patterns and they can actually be the things that you can follow the path that they set out for you if you actually start recognizing them.
Yeah. And, you know, think. I think every person is born with a set of gifts. You know, they have talents, and I think those are part of the makeup of our life. And if we pay attention to those gifts and we connect with God in the sense of using those gifts to make a difference in the world, and we make that part of our prayer, Lord, use me to change the world, make it a better place. That prayer does get answered, and it is an exciting ride and it does come with challenges, but it's so worth it because it creates for an enriched and enriching life. You know, a life that's. That has mission and purpose. So it's helped me to look at everything we do from an eternity perspective. Right. We're here on earth doing our thing, you know, sharing, helping. But then there's A point where our life goes to another, you know, another dimension, if you will, heaven. And it just. This is continuation of this relationship and love with God that we originate here on Earth, but it's only the beginning of eternity. And that's really shapes a lot of my thinking because I always think of things in the perspective of. I call it divine revelation. Getting some revelation to give us an idea of making the right decisions. Everything from. I mean, I tell you a story. I was in my early 30s when I got married, but I was dating my wife, and I had met her. I think the both of us were the only two people under the age of 60 going to daily mass as Catholics. And she walked in and, you know, there was some spark there. But I met her and I think within a few months I'd been praying about this. I was like. Because I'm, you know, every guy can be shy and, you know, not know what to do, but I had a prayer and. And I was. I had the sense that, okay, I need to marry this woman. I was like, wow, okay. So that day I prayed about it and I called a friend to pray with me, and he's like, yeah, I. I can confirm that. So just to tell you how I acted, I immediately that day went and bought a ring, dropped everything I was doing, and I was obedient to that message. And then within a week, it was her birthday and I proposed. And, well, now we have four kids and. But it's interesting that it's. That not being afraid to act, you know, and I. And that's been true with all the work we've done in the clinic at Nvidia, all the 25 years of challenges, growth, moments, seeing things that others are missing. It's all been those inspirational moments and not being afraid to act on those. And that's, I think, true of anything we do is that there's so much available to us. If we're just open our eyes and our hearts to it, we can see things others don't see, maybe because that's our calling and we're able to go into that direction.
Well, I think there's two things I pick up from. From what you've just said there as well is, I think. I mean, if you look at the wider picture of, like the. The struggles that many people have, a lot of it is around having a purpose. And also coming back to what you were saying just there as well, one of the biggest problems that people do face in that is the procrastination and sort of almost living sort of wishing their lives away and you know, really not taking action. So the two things you've just said there is, whether it comes from a religious point of view or, or whatever is finding that purpose and whatever your views on religion, I always say that to people it's like, well, all of the messages, if you followed them, even just from a message point of view, your life is going to be so much more enriched, you know, it's going to be so much more, you're going to get so much more from it, you know, give it giving. A lot of people, because they have kind of wasted their lives are also not giving, they're not in a part of a community, they don't have that support network which then also can help them to get themselves on track. And I think there's a big, big problem at the moment with a world full of purposeless people and partly down to the actual society and the way it's been. I mean our education system, they wanna, they want industrial workers, you know, they want that sort of that battery worker as opposed to people going and finding their real purpose. I had an element of it myself, mine. I got into the corporate world, thought I wanted to be this really successful salesperson with the nice cars and it was great in my 20s. But it doesn't take you very long to realize if you're in something that's not in alignment with you at the core. And I think too many people ignore that either by medicating or just putting it off. And yeah, finding purpose and finding something you can bounce out of bed for every day is definitely something which is going to push you forward. And I see a lot of that with the, the more religious people I speak to. Most certainly it's definitely something, it's something I was not brought up religious myself, but it is something I've definitely been exploring a hell of a lot of. Even from a spiritual point of view as well. I know that word that's kind of been co opted but I've been writing articles about it as well and about sort of different things over my. Even as my younger years I was very interested in Buddha and got books that I just left on my shelf and never got around to reading. And they didn't resonate and kept them because I thought one day they would. And then as I got older they did start to resonate. The messages became clear. You know, it's that whole, whole thing of when the student is ready, the teacher will appear kind of thing. So I just think you need to be open minded.
But I think there's something so powerful to what you said. There is finding your way. And I was just thinking about a few things. Number one, all of the greatest self help books written have basically been variations of Mark, Luke and John. You know, I always say the same messages, right? Because it's this message of God's love and our, that we have purpose where we have purpose because made in the image and likeness of God, meaning we are, we're already good, right? If we let the Lord bless us. The other thing was interesting. I was watching this documentary recently on Netflix and I think it was the life of John Candy, you know, that great comedian out of Canada. And he says, and in that documentary, the way he had passed away is he had his Bible in front of him. He knew it was time he was reading. So I think when we come to that moment in our life, right, where it's the end, final breaths, that is where we start to define, okay, what is the meaning? And I've been blessed because with the work we do with cancer patients over the last 25 years, I've been able to enact, you know, pray with support, encouraging patients and many thousands of them over the years where we've had patients who've had great responses and healing and we've had patients that, whether they came to us late or whatever happened, they weren't able, you know, it didn't extend their life as much as we'd like to see it, even though they may have had some extension. And in the end of it, there's one thing that's interesting across the board, everybody at that moment starts to see the reality of our, of their existence, right? Family becomes very important. The relationship with God becomes very important, even if it's been estranged or they weren't introduced. And what happens is we start to see the reality and the authenticity of our existence, which is we're all going to go, you know, like, no one's going to remember us in 100 years, 200 year baby grandchildren and stuff. But what was the mark that we left on the earth? We all have this desire to leave a mark or to do something good or to lift each other up to love one another. And so when you go back to that Christian message, the uniqueness is the ultimate love is sacrifice. You know, it's an unselfish love. It's one that's like I'm pouring out to do what's right and that, that's really modeled beautifully by Jesus himself, where he gives his very life. But I think there's this process where we find meaning in the most simplest things of life. You're. Your life kind of becomes, I always say, like a prayer when you're. When you're thoughtfully living at every moment, like before you have that encounter with your wife or your children or your people on your team or your employees or your boss, you're doing that with, I call it, a spirit of goodness and faith. So you're. You're coming at it from the perspective of, how am I going to help or lift up the moment? How am I going to be positive? How am I going to be victorious and not a victim? How am I going to be instead of, you know, and these little things oftentimes are the internal battles that people go through within themselves. And it goes back to their childhood, their relationship with their parents. They need inner healing. They have to let them go, love them, release them, so that they can go where they need to go as people. So there's all these spiritual and emotional traumas that hold people back. And I've seen it over the years from sexual abuse, mental abuse, or growing up in sometimes difficult environments, or different traumas of all different kinds. And as soon as people experience that healing, right, and they release that, they can start to really come into who they are. They remove those fears and doubts and they start to, you know, go in the direction they're supposed to. They have a sense of freedom. And it's actually fantastically important for healing of the body as well, because those stressors, I mean, they. They cause immune depression, lack of sleep. I can go on. There's all kinds of things that. That those kinds of things can cause. And so I think there's a big part of us developing, you know, ourselves as people. But at the same time, there's healing. And the more we faith, we forgive, we let go, we let the Lord into our lives, It. It's an exciting ride. I mean, it's really. You start to be free and start to move in the right direction.
A lot of people say, surely there should be more to life than this. And I think it is like, whether it be a childhood trauma. And again, the worst thing that's happened to you is the worst thing that's happened to you. I don't want people to necessarily think that trauma has to be abuse. It can literally be being bullied for a while and not being able to stand up. And it's kind of nullified a part of your personality, made you less. And even little things, like if you have, like, an overbearing adult caregiver parent or teacher that, no, stop. We don't behave that way. And parts of your sort of core expressive personality kind of get nullified and the edges get rounded off. And again, just that small, tiny little imbalance throughout life, it just puts you on. You can't put your finger on it, but it's just this imbalance to everything you do. I use the analogy of, imagine you were in a plane and when you took off, you were one degree off. You're okay at the start, but by the end of your journey, your miles. Of course, on the physical side as well, I work on the nervous system with breathwork. And while I'm not saying that the nervous system is the cause of everything, everything starts with that nervous system imbalance. So whatever it is that's firing off, whatever your trauma, your stress, your imbalance that you've picked up puts you into that fight or flight nervous system chronically. That means your digestion is not working, as you say, on the physical side, endocrine system, immune function, and it just cascades and cascades and all these things that tie in together, finding that purpose, finding that core person of who you are. Because I think a lot of people live and speak through a filter. I mean, I did for 32 years. But, yeah, it does start with that purpose and being brave. And I think the number I was reading, the number one deathbed regret was, I wish I'd been brave enough to be myself.
It is. And you think about what you just said is like, we're all broken. There's nobody's perfect. Right. In fact, we identify more with people because we're like, oh, I went through that too. You have a family that did. You know, everybody connects with being real. And I think we as the. You know, I always like to think of us in the world more like in a term is like brothers and sisters. Like, we all are different. We come from different backgrounds, but we have a lot of similarities. We want to be loved, we want to have purpose. We want to make our lives worth something. You know, doing something good with our. The gifts and talents we've been given. And I think for the most part, when we realize that we're all broken, we can put away all the masks, just be who you are, be authentic. And, yeah, you'll be challenged. Yeah, if you do it right, you know, you'll be challenged. That's good, though, because that builds the character and that makes. I always say you have a greater reliance on God because you need strength to get through the journey. But in essence, you Feel free. And your talents and gifts and whatever the Lord has given you. It's like there are things people are good at, you know, if they can just pay attention to their talents and their gifts. Not always necessarily. I always say, you know, yeah, maybe something you love too. It may be both, but sometimes it's. You're just really good at this. And there's a talent that's developing, especially with young people, because I worked in youth ministry for like 26 years with teenagers, and the one thing I heard over and over again was just encouraging them to use their gifts and talents that, you know, and be not afraid, be bold. You know, nobody wants to fit into a mold. They need to be themselves because that's how you attract the right spouse. That's how you go into the right area of work. And you, you know that. So it's all by being authentic. And if you're trying to learn about who you are, because when you're really young, you don't know, you know, you're trying to get your forming. You're in the formative years. That's why my, My recommendation is to. For a lot of the. When we work with younger people, when I was doing youth ministry was constantly be, you know, journaling. I always encourage journaling, and I always encourage them like reading the scriptures and journaling, because they were being very authentic about what their struggles might be, where their talents are, what's going on in their families, and they could really start to explore these as they started developing. And that's a problem with universities today. They don't develop the morals of the person. It's like an academic game. You know, you get a. You might pass a bunch of tests. Doesn't mean you know anything. But it's the moral development of the person, it's the spiritual development of the person that I think is the key. Because if you develop those along with the, with the education now, you have, you know, very powerful tools that you can, you know, put to use in the world to make a difference.
I think the unfortunate thing is, as well is. Is quite often when you talk about education as well, is all of the things that do teach morals like, like religion, that they've sort of, kind of been so. So attacked. I mean, even, like I say, I wasn't brought up as a religious person, but I was never one of the people that didn't see the benefit of having those kind of moral teachings in the school. I mean, at the school, I, I sang hymns every day. It was.
We.
We were from obviously a Very, very religious, at least historically, that our schooling system was. But yeah, I think all of those things that tend to give you more of that, again, the community, the. The community that then gives you the. The confidence and the bravery to embrace yourself and not try and fit in with the. The in crowd, you know, that cookie cutter. And it's really funny as well. I mean, we've got so much psychology in, again, in sales, for example, that we know that people buy from people, people buy from authenticity. Yet we all, like, want to try and put on the Instagram life, you know, rather than being brave and actually embracing who we are and actually maybe losing a few people and finding a few people that are more in tune with us. We know that people buy from people, and it's actually probably easier just being. Rather than acting through life. Yet we put ourselves through this filter and it's a crazy. And again, I think social media has really, really exacerbated it. I don't think it was quite so bad back. I mean, I'm quite lucky. I'm 45, so I know the analog world as much as the digital. So I think we're.
We.
I ride that. That wave, whereas I understand both sides. But, yeah, it's definitely been exacerbated. And it's a shame because it does seem to be that all of the frameworks and all of the systems that we do have out there that can actually give people that support, that identity, I suppose, and that purpose, they are the ones that seem to be attacked and being sort of removed from everything. It's such a shame to see. But again, it comes down to individuals like yourself to pick up the slack.
I think whatever. What makes you unique also makes you beautiful. You know, that's also. There's this unique thing that I heard years ago from a Catholic priest. He said, you know, what makes you unique is the beautiful design that was created that needed to be brought into the world. So all of us have these. He used the word irrepeatable, precious human life, because there's nothing like the human life. It's a beautiful gift. You see that with your children. You see that. You see that with the people you encounter. I see that with the patients. These are beautiful people and families. And the thing that we need to remember is what makes us different and what makes us unique is also what makes us beautiful. And that is part of what I think can change our conversations in the world is the beauty that we all bring meaning. You know, you may have a different idea of how to solve a problem but we all bring a beauty because of the fact that, you know, we're created by God, we're beautiful, we have gifts in us. And I think that's one of the hardest things, is for people to actually say out loud, I am beautiful. I'm a creation of God, and I'm here. You know, a lot of people just still have to receive that. They have. They're in a place where they may not feel like they're enough, you know, and that's cultural stuff. And social media is not a good place for any of that skill to develop. We need real relationships. You need to put the phone down, go talk to people, go out, go play sports, go to all the real interactions we grew up with. Those are really important. And today it's a lot of what we're seeing is facade because, you know, you could do these social things and they're fake because you don't really get to see the person. You're just getting a few minutes of the conversation and it's all edited and everything. And now it's shorter seconds. You know, it's like 10 seconds, 50. So that is not relationship. That's more of entertainment, really, more than anything. But it's hard for specifically children to separate that because that's been their reality since they've been little. It's like, oh, this is the way the world is. But the reality really is, no matter how, you know, we've seen a lot of celebrities over the years and politicians and so forth, and they're not the same as they are in their social world. They're very different in person. They're more genuine. They're real people. Right? They have to have a Persona. And I think if we can just remember that that's television. That's, you know, that's tv, movies, and not the real thing. It's like an actor, you know, you see an actor who plays a part in a movie. So it's not the authenticity that is the same thing of when we have our relationships. You put the phones down, get rid of the social media and just hang out, you know, talk, go play a sport, play pickleball, whatever you like to do, right? Go play basketball and hang out. Those are really powerful moments in that I think there's.
Obviously, there's a massive issue. And I even. I can remember this probably having a few personal examples or situations when text messaging first came out and just seeing how obviously you read a text, how you read a text. So if you're assuming somebody's got the home point or You've got an assumption about that person and how they're writing it. You can actually read something 10 different ways. And I think that that's just fed into so much sort of misunderstanding and that's just fueled more and more polarization. I think kind of it's. It's what it's there for. But I moved to Portugal in 2020 and one of the main things I loved about here is it reminds me of the UK when I was growing up. I mean, they still close on Wednesday afternoons. All their shops, you know, they still have that kind of thing. And everything's done.
Beautiful.
Yeah, everything's done by a coffee. So if you're going to speak to somebody about business, personal, whatever it is, it's all face to face. It's coffee, let's not do these emails. And I think, yeah, we've really lost that. And I think I had this theory years ago that it's been. I mean, it used to be that. I don't know what the equivalent would be in the US but we had like the work in men's clubs when my granddad to go and meet and drink and everyone would talk politics and argue and then sort of like get to some sort of resolution and get their points across and remain friends. And then the television came in, so it brought families, you know, so it was only like, let's say there's six people in your house. There's six people congregating. And then the phone came and it was like, you can be in the same house, but everyone's in a completely different planet, let alone a different room. And it's just getting worse and worse. And again, with. With social media, it really has. We have kind of, kind of become androids without really realizing it, I think.
Yeah, especially in Europe, I spent my summers because my mom was from Italy. So go back to her little hometown in Sicily in the summers when I was young and did it for years and speak Italian fluently. And it was like totally different than the United States. Everybody in those little towns became like, the friendships were really deep. You know, you go for a walk in a piazza and somebody grab a hold of your arm and how was your day? You know, everybody. And I noticed that everybody in the town, even people that were. May have been handicapped in some manner. They weren't handicapped. They were seen as they're part of the community, you know, and there was this just, they're part of our community, we love them. And that kind of. I think that is also really, really an important thing of Community and culture. You look at all these blue zones where people are living so much longer. Yes. Even these places are here in Portugal. You'll see they're getting influenced by Western food. It's not what it used to be years ago, but if you're eating farm to table, mainly, you know, decent food. But it's. The relationships have the purpose to them. So people don't feel as they get older, like they don't have meaning. They're part of the community. They have relationships with their friends. They look forward to that little walk or that political talk in the evening, and then they go back and have that again the next day. And the old and the young and everybody's together. It's not like in the United States we have the assisted living. You know, everybody gets separated. We are usually not as close to our neighbors. You know, some are, but not like you would have in Europe, where everybody knows each other. In these little towns, you look out at a balcony and across the way there's somebody else on their balcony ironing, and it's lunchtime and you wave. You know, it's. It's different, but it's beautiful. And I've had the experience of both lives and the experience of those friendships, and they are. They are really meaning meaningful relationships.
It comes back again, full circle to what you just said there is that those blue zones with the community, they. They have purpose because they are part of a community. They're. Do you know what I mean? They're respected, they're loved. They, again, they've got that. I mean, I used to do this thing even in where I lived. I grew up in a little place called Hailing island. And it was great place to live, surrounded by beaches, lots of parks, very safe out on our bikes, until like the. The street lights came on kind of thing. And then I moved to this place called Portsmouth, which is, again, it's just another tiny little town really, but it was a densely populated, more of a. A city vibe. And I remember the first time walking out and saying hello to my neighbor, because I always said hello to my neighbors and got this look as if to say what, you know, kind of like almost like, I wonder if he's going to jump me. But that's. No, no, it got worse and worse. Whereas here I can be walking down the street and see 10 people that I've never met in my life, and every single one, you know, they all say hello. And it's just that, that tiny little thing, I think, again, I mean, even if you look at like loneliness. Just as bad as smoking 20 cigarettes a day, you know, for, for your health. So it goes without saying, if you've got that, that community and that, that support network around you, it's just gonna, it's definitely gonna help you. And the metabolic side helps with the fact that they have a lot more sort of fresh food. That's one thing, another, another thing with Portugal, I was really surprised to see they've just released Europe's. The percentage of processed foods eaten in each European country, including the UK, the UK consumer and about 50% of their diet is processed or ultra processed. Portugal's the best in Europe. It's 13%. It is much more local producer. You've got a lot more of the farmers markets and, and that kind of thing, which again another bonus.
So you're, you're hitting on. What I think is the foundation of a, of a fun, of a great diet anywhere in the world is just stay out of the middle of the grocery stores, go to the edges here in the United States, right? And you're eating the grass fed meats and maybe organic here, but you automatically have those in Portugal because they don't maybe know the difference. They only make organic product, right? So you have this advantage, but you're eating vegetables or fruits, whatever you like, but you're just not eating all the processed stuff. And that's what has caused the problems, you know, around the world is as soon as we introduce the McDonald's and the processed foods and it becomes a mainstay in people's diets, it's just, it's destructive to the metabolic system and it's not hard to fix. So, you know, for years I've had patients on all kinds of different, you know, ketogenics and we need to work with glucose and cancer and so forth, a lot of different things. But what is the core to any good quality diet really is what we just talked about. It's the product being clean, fresh, healthy, not being processed, getting away from the refined carbohydrates and sugars that are just, even if you want, even in Portugal you'll see it. But you in Europe too, there's a lot of these cookies and cakes and cereals, like they can become very popular and those people can have just the same metabolic problems. I just saw that not too long ago in Europe. I was there on a, on a small trip and as I was there I could just see now the infiltration more and more every year, every two to three years of the western influence of processed foods. But Your farm to table is always, and I mean really traditional farm to table. You know, you got the communities in Italy that'll just pick the tomatoes and peel it and it's beautiful, ready to go, right. And processing where the same ideas you can find all these processed foods. So it's the same all over the world now unfortunately. But you're in a good area, you're in a very old world area which is going to just be great for quality of food.
And the good thing here is I noticed it when I landed. It's, I mean like even in the streets there's, there's orange trees for anybody, just pick oranges. And I mean on our land we've got like multiple fig trees, olive trees, oranges, carbs.
Do you press your olive oil?
We don't, we haven't pressed the olives last two years. We, we made our own olives in brine. So we did it that way this year. It's been a bit hit and miss because we took our trees right back last year. So we're hoping that next year we're going to get it through and that's when we're going to take it. We take it to a local press and they'll press it for us along with our carobs. I don't know if you've heard of carobs.
Yeah, carob's fantastic. We just have in our, in Italy, we have a home there from our family, you know. But on there I've been working on a project to develop a very high polyphenol, highly organic olive oil, very high polyphenol. So most of polyphenols and olive oil in the stores are non existent. They mix them, there's no purity to them. Getting to 400 is hard. We're working on a product, 1000 polyphenol. And it's, it has to do with the type of trees that are grown because they actually have higher polyphenol and they're usually not very commonly used. But so I, I believe olive oil is one of the most medicinal foods on the planet from a perspective of daily use. It's just, it's got so many benefits from cardiovascular cancer, so many tools to it, but not the olive oil we buy in the store. Those products can have, are, are mixed. They may say they're organic, they're whatever, but they just, the quality isn't there. And if you test the polyphenol concentrations and the variations in those. We've been working on 1000 polyphenol but it's in the little island of Sicily on a little plot of land. Right. So it's, and it's not going to produce probably enough for the world, but it'd be a tiny amount because I see the medicinal benefit, particularly with the doctors we work with. We have about 4,500 doctors across the United States. Our pharmacies make medicines for integrative medicines and other conventional medicines for them. But it's, we, you know, products like that are really powerful for patients. Where food can be medicine and medicine be food, you know, that's a great thing. So if you're along the way of eating but you're getting a higher polyphenol content food again eating a lot of these natural unprocessed foods. So it's interesting because you should have some pretty decent olive oil there in Portugal too. I've seen some data. You have some good quality oil. You just see if they sometimes will test the polyphenols in them and, and you, you'll have access to that there in Portugal.
That the olive oil here is, is, is amazing. It really is very, very tasty. Obviously you get the influx of the, the supermarket oils, but again, even those seem to be of a higher quality, if I'm honest. They do tend to be. They would be the sort of category that, I would say that back in the UK would have been like the special, the extra special olive oils and that's their kind of standard. And it's quite funny because I've eaten. You mentioned keto just now. I, I had a lot of gut problems when I left the corporate world. I, I burnt out. I had, I'd had chronic acid reflux for about 10 years. Just the hand I was dealt, you know, medicate, medicate, medicate. And then eventually I had ended up with quite a bad case of gastritis and it was a particularly bad one. And that led to what I was told would be an incurable ibs. It was post infectious so it was like, it was very, very disruptive. And I tried everything, I tried every diet I could find, I tried all of the things that were recommended for these, these kind of ailments and nothing worked. And eventually I gave the carnivore a go. Naturally, the carnivore. I felt all of the benefits but it didn't affect my gut. And it was, wasn't until I started doing like regular, as in every single day, intermittent fasting. So I was doing autophagy, sort of 18 hours plus. I was, I was eating in a sort of one to four Hour window. And after about six to eight months of that, that really did reverse it. But obviously you get into the, the forums and even the carnivores, they were just as bad as the vegans. They were so militant. This is the way to eat. This is the optimum weight for every human tweet. So I've got a fly in here. And, and I've always, I've always been very, very mindful that there are so many nuances, even down to our ancestry. I mean, even if you look at the blood type diet, I know Peter
D. Adamo and the developer of the blood type diet. And so there's a lot of interesting things. Number one, you're absolutely right. But the way the genetics portray is not in the way people think. So it's in a tiny. These SNPs we have, there's variations of them in the way our liver metabolizes, the way we digest food, the way we handle stress. These are networks. In fact, Peter d' Adamo developed a very sophisticated genetic analysis. His father was the beginner of the blood type diet. And then he, he came out with it, and then. But then they moved into genetic SNPs. And genetic SNPs are networks. So in oncology, we have risks. So it's not in the way people think. It's not just the exposure to toxins, carcinogens, and stress. The greatest thing you did by intermittent fasting, in your case was eliminate the insult, right? Giving the body a chance to recover and get rid of the cycle of inflammatory response and, and reactions, or cytokines, et cetera. But what is interesting is we all have these metabolic risks, and they're not in the way people think they are. So some people metabolize fats differently, handle stress differently, eat food, and it's very unique to each person. So the idea that there is a diet for everyone, the one thing that the consensus is smart is getting rid of the refined processed foods, eating, not overeating. Right. And eating as clean as we can, and finding what works for you. And then when you do those things, you know, people see powerful changes and it takes a little bit. But this idea that there's a one diet for everybody is wrong because I've just been doing this for 25 years. You know, lots of different people and patients, the needs are different. Like ibs. Whenever you're talking about ibs, IBS is inherently a stress condition. It is a nervous system reset because. And sometimes it goes all the way back to childhood. It can be different things where Everything just affects the digestive tract. Every bit of stress, every bit. And it's no surprise to me. I'm so excited to hear you're doing breath work and teaching people. Breath work. Breath work is one of the most powerful ways of getting rid of ibs. It's one of them. When that combination with cleaning up the diet, intermittent fasting. Right. Doing those and breath work because you're resetting the nervous system. Your. Your nervous system has been on this. You know, I'm being chased by a bear all the time to. I'm going to reset, take control. Yeah. And you get that sensation in the body of, oh, this is what it feels like in this moment. You know, during breath work, there's always a breathing period, and then there's that, like, absorbing it into the tissues and into the nervous system. And that's very powerful because it breaks these. These patterns we have that drain the adrenals and cause stress. Because a lot of people's stresses come from. They're unaware that they're stressed, meaning they're just right. I got up this morning and had my coffee, and I'm doing. And they're doing all the right stuff, but they're running, running, running, running. And they're not in the moment, and they're not able in the moment to be like, Be still, be still and be like, this is wonderful. Like, my body is powerful. I'm. I can heal. And there's a process in that. So this idea between that you were talking about ibs, cleaning, the diet and breathing, I can now see clear. You know, I've been doing this for a long time. I. I've been training doctors for years. So I can see already, you know, talking to you like you're on the right path for your health because you got away from the busyness, got into your life mission and your breath work and your diet. Well, of course, you now have set up an environment for health. Right. An environment for your body to do what it does best, which is recover and heal.
That's coming back to what you said at the very beginning, where you said as a kid that you. You like to take things apart and see how they worked. It's quite strange, actually, because I didn't necessarily do that, but the more I've analyzed my personality type, especially in the last sort of 10 years, it's like going again, going through my healing. I. I am one of these people where I need to see if I'm doing something. I need to see its place in the mechanism. I need to see what it's, what's feeding it and what it's feeding. I need to find the relevance. So as an example, a strange example, I would have been the person on a new job being shown around in my induction and they'd say, this is where we do this and this is how we do it. And I'd say okay, why do we do that? And it wasn't, I was being facetious or trying to why do we do that? It was more like I needed to understand what that was feeding in. So, so when, when I started looking into my own health problems, I sort of, kind of, I'm very strange, I'm quite, quite analytical. I had to learn about my system. So I did a 250 hour advanced diploma in anatomy and physiology. I learned about the gut brain connection because obviously I knew it was anxiety and it was stress that was causing it. So I knew that that was happening. But I again, I couldn't just do breath work and go, oh, I feel better. Why does it feel better? So then Deb, dive deep into the, the nervous system or the, the autonomic nervous system. The main system that really got me hooked was the endocannabinoid system purely because of the fact that it kind of. I was quite lucky. That was the first thing I learned about because it kind of is involved in almost every pie in some way. It kind of gave me this immediate understanding that every single system in the body in some way, shape or form influences tweaks or you know what I mean, they have some sort of involvement too. And it kind of made me think as well, a lot of, like with traditional medicine, I mean obviously, you've obviously gone into an alternative approach as well. I mean a lot of things that I hear from people in that industry is you learn about the human body, you understand it on a deep level, but then you have to choose a specialist subject and then you go and get compartmentalized into the heart or into the ear, nose and throat. And these people don't really talk about how something that's showing up in the heart could be caused with this other area. So it kind of becomes a bit disconnected. Yeah, donkey. And that's why we've got this symptom management approach. It's like, okay, you've got this thing, let's turn that warning light off rather than investigate what's causing the warning light. And again, I'm not a doctor, I'm not claiming to be, but the way that my brain works, it's, it's very similar to how you explained I just need to see those inner workings and. Yeah, but it was quite a funny discovery for me because as a kid I probably didn't have the, I didn't have the bravery to take something apart and start. I know I wanted to and I needed to, but oh my, what if I get told off breaking it? I wasn't that kind. Yeah, I didn't, didn't have the bravery. But in later years I've very much identified that in my personality, that's for sure.
So think about that. That's where we had spent all. You know, I spent the last 25 years of my life taking Cancer park apart in many different ways. So when everybody today is excited about ketogenic and metabolic. We did it 25 years ago, we've done all of these. What I can tell you is whether it's the conventional system or the alternative system, the problem is we need precision and targeting. We need to not be biased because there are some chemotherapies that in the right dose would be very fantastic, but they're not going to harm you because they're correct for you. Where if you're given too much of the dose to the wrong thing, which happens to most patients, I see 90% of our patients are on the wrong medications coming just from the standard of care. And here's why that's a problem. The conventional drug model design. So if you're going to understand the global system of health care, you have the pharmaceutical companies who, they bring a drug to market through this double blind placebo clinical trial model. But the problem with that is it's designed to treat large populations, not individuals. So what happens is there's a ton of things missing. So if we start running detailed testing on an individual with the same type and stage of cancer. So today you have a biopsy, a tumor marker and let's say imaging and then you get into treatment. Well, we run thousands of DNA transcriptomics, RNA spatial biology, immune profiling, and those cancers are completely different. And you realize, okay, these are the right natural agents, these are the right targets. Here's how we're going to deliver them, here's how the immune system needs to be activated. We can develop a specific immunotherapy for that patient. Whether we're using a natural phytotherapeutic or immune modulator, or building it from your own natural killer cells and dendritic cells which we grow outside the body type and bring them back in. So the technology all depends on what people need and what's happening in the standard of care oncology is because that's. If you're a pharmaceutical company, this is very hard to do. So it's easier for you to make one product, make a thousand ampoules a minute or ten minutes in a pharmaceutical plant, and then sell it all over the world. And then you have the insurance companies who say, we love this because in the United States we have these things called pharmacy benefit managers. And they mark the drugs up and they steer them to their own locations and their own pharmacies, which we just saw a big FTC case here in the United States Federal Trade Commission doing that for cancer. And then you have the hospitals that mark it up hundreds of percent. And so the system will not change because it cannot change. It's not. Because. So the model that I have been promoting and talking about for years is called n of 1. N of 1 treatment. Unique to each treatment is built uniquely for the individual. So once we are able to understand what's going on in that individual's cancer, lifestyle, genetics, all the components, then from there we can reverse engineer care. Whether it's standard of care or off label repurposed drugs, which there's a lot of great repurposed drugs and, or natural integrative agents or immunotherapies that we have to custom build. All of that can be done once you know that about the patient. So when I, I've had these interviews and conversations where the conventional side says, well, that's all research. No, it's not. It's more information. Yeah, we want data, not dogma. We want to be treated with facts and information. When we do that, it becomes clear. And so it's not uncommon for us to have patients who have failed care at the top hospitals in the U.S. even many from Europe and Middle east like Dubai. And then they come to in vita and they're responding. Many of them responding very well. Live longer. Some go into full remission. Well, why? It's because of this, this intense idea from. In my mind to break it down and develop the systems and the algorithms that allow the person to say, okay, here's the right target for you. And all of a sudden the patient starts having energy. You know, this is something I can tell you if you go to a cancer ward, whether you're in the, you know, in, in England, Italy, I've been to them, or in New York or anywhere in the country. It is these people, they're losing their hair, they look pale. It's a, it's like death is everywhere. You can feel it palpable Right. Spiritually, it's there. And then when we treat these patients in this manner, which is. So we only need to use maybe 10%, the dose of chemo. If we're using it, we can go right to the tumor with a catheter the size of a hair, treat the tumor, come out and give them a. Give the. Sorry, give the patient a band aid. Yeah, give the patient a band aid. So there's no side effects. It's direct. So when you're doing this, people have color, they look like they're on vacation. So you have a stage four cancer patient, That's. What are you doing this week? Oh, I'm going to Sedona, I'm going hiking, I'm going to the mall. They have energy because they're being treated properly and the care is custom designed to them. This is the system I am confident will end cancer and many chronic diseases in the world. Is this precision models. But it's hard to break that in the big industrial complex of healthcare we have all over the world. And it doesn't mean that the people working in those systems are bad. That's what they have, that's where their training is. But they're limited to that. As soon as you open up the information and they have data and they have the tools, the world changes. And we see that dramatically. We published in 2024, 35 times better outcomes, not percent of response rates than everybody else. In late stage cancer. That's 35 times and a 43 times better quality of life. Well, why? Because of this, what we're talking about here. It's breaking things down exactly what the patient needs, not over treating them, helping the body heal itself and giving the tools that the patient needs, all of a sudden you can unravel very complicated diseases because in many ways our body is very intelligently designed to heal. It's already has the tools to do it. We just have to work with it. I know this sounds simple against instead of against it, if that makes any sense.
I think if people realized just how miraculous this body is, even down to the amount of miracles that had to happen for us to, to be conceived, then to be birthed, and then actually to make our way through to whatever stage in life that we're at, even every single function like breath, heartbeat, everything that needs to happen for that thing to happen perfectly is just this delicately tuned miracle basically. But then also understanding that while we can't really sort of really control some of the environmental factors that we're sort of surrounded by, again Depends on what, what, how deep you want to go with that. Whether it be the fact that we're electrified everywhere. You know, it's, it's. I'm not going to go into the conspiracy side there, but, I mean, it doesn't sit right with me, you know, being electrified and just some people are
sensitive, some patients are very sensitive to electric magnetic frequency. And they'll tell you they feel very. Whether, you know, placebo is powerful, whether placebo or not. But we've seen in the past, if you look under the microscope of people who have been under a lot of electric magnetic frequency, or they've connected stuff to their body to treat things I've seen over the years, you can see their cells are incredibly stressed. They're. They're actually not behaving normal. So there, there's a lot to it. The question here is not everybody's the same. So some people, you know, they're not going to know. Other people, they, they can smell it a mile away. They're very, very sensitive. And we need to understand that that's also each of our unique makeup and we need to respect that because that's part of the healing process.
Well, we're 99.9% identical, but that 0.01% is kind of, it's anything in that 100% of human, you know, any, any part of that could be your difference and.
Well said. Yeah, well said. It's everything.
There's no difference with the way that we should be sort of looking at. I mean, obviously the way that we look after ourselves should be a standard thing. I think that education needs to come from there. But again, even education isn't always enough purely because of, like, the cost of eating that way for some people as well. But your approach to medicine, while it may be very difficult under the current model, actually, by adopting that way of doing things, the money that would be saved in healthier individuals in the long run anyway.
It does, I got, I tell you, in 2019 and 2020, we did actuarial studies on all of the work we did to understand where our cost was in relationship to standard of care. We were half the cost. So when you know where to go, you don't. There's a lot of guesswork in healthcare. Let's try this, let's try that. Even in integrative medicine, I mean, I've trained a lot of doctors. We're in the space, we're top in integrative medicine with the technology we have, and there's still guesswork. Let's Try this, let's try. Because when we start organizing it with details and giving the patients the right amounts and the right things that impact their health, the patient just flourishes. And they are, they're your, they're your best word of mouth. They're the most excited because they didn't realize it needed so little of the right thing that was, was critical for their well being. And the, the, the problem is, that's not the hard part. It's the system, the systems. You know, you think of England and you think of all that, the country like England. How many people are employed by the health care system? England, I mean, right. It's, it's a lot and it's a good, these are very noble work. God bless the people, they're doing fantastic work. But our systems, to retrain our systems to incorporate this kind of model and thinking would be brilliant. And it's, it's, it's a slow process because it's not coming from, you know, it's not a financially driven incentive like pharma hospitals, institutions that are kind of biased and set in their ways instead of being open minded and inclusive to understand more why that patient is sick. Going a little deeper than just a medication or a procedure, it's going to
be pushed by the consumer. I think, I think it's the only way. And, and if you'd have said this to me five years ago, even five years ago in the, in the grips of the, the craziest year that we had ever experienced, I would say no chance. But I, I am. And I'm not saying there's a large percentage of people that are now thinking our way, but I think we've now got to a, a good enough percentage of people that are aware that I, I say to a lot of my clients, Mike, intuitively, you've got to start like plugging into your intuition. Intuitively, does it feel good taking five medications every day? You know, intuitively, does it feel good eating McDonald's every week? Intuitively, does it feel good being overweight? You know, all of these things. You've got to start listening to your instincts, okay? Because it's very, very intuitive. And it's, I know we've been told, we've kind of been conditioned to think that it's woo woo, rubbish. But back in our hunter gatherer days, it was the difference between life and death. You know, literally that intuition, that instinct in the pit of our stomach, it was one of the most powerful survival mechanisms. And we've now got to the point because we haven't got those external fears but we're still stuck in that fight or flight. We don't recognize it anymore. We're just in this state of. Like you said earlier, I say all the time is it's as if we're being chased by a saber tooth tiger. Our brain doesn't know the difference. You know, the feeling is the feeling. But yeah, I think intuitively I think people are starting to wake up. More people are starting to wake up and they're going to be the people that push it because they're going to go outside of the current or the tradition, I don't want to call it traditional, the current sort of mainstream setup and they're going to find their old.
Yeah, I think it's even further than that. So let's follow the, the science of modern day healthcare. So we've got the, the deep of things now we have artificial intelligence, right, which is going to be very powerful for pulling data research. So when the more data you have, I just ask you a simple question. Would you want to be treated with less data or more data? Right. It's more data now when we're. Yeah, much more data. So now you're thinking about when we're running labs on people, we're looking at, you know, thousand plus data points, can be several thousand data points versus maybe 20 in standard of care. This is not even close. So it's not even a matter of people getting around to understanding. It's just do you want the future of healthcare which is data driven, or do you want healthcare that's in this archaic model which unfortunately hasn't always worked the way we want it to? It has its place particularly we always say for emergency rooms we're good at triaging but with chronic illness, particularly oncology, there's a lot more that can be done when people have data. And so today what's happening is you get treated through in the United States, really around the world a lot of people use what's called the National Comprehensive Cancer Network, the NCCNN guidelines, they dictate care at most all the major hospitals in the United States for sure. And around the world where everybody follows similar regimens or protocols. Because these were discussions amongst oncologists. This is a very limited model because it's using very few data points, type and stage of cancer. It's not looking at the individual blueprint of the patient. And when you start doing that it changes the game. So this model of AI and deep learning which is married into the data sets can really already tell us what the prognostics are and what the potential is of a treatment actually working, or the combinations, because a lot of it is also combinations. Right. If you take one thing and another thing, even at a different time, you can cancel the benefit. Or one plus one could equal 11. Right. So this is really the importance of data driven care. That's also individualized. It'll come. I think it'll take a little bit of time, but patients are starting to see, hey, why is my iPhone doing great things? And I. Can we watch these? I always say the rockets land now. We had the Elon Musk land a rocket with just Right. It's amazing technology. But our. But our medical care and our oncology stuck, you know, decades behind. Well, it's on purpose. It's not that the technology isn't there. It's there. It's just on. Purposely slow, as the system has always been. And I feel like human life can't wait. People, you know, you're alive and you're going through this, you can't wait. I mean, that's the mission of Invita. It's. People don't deserve. They can't wait for something to eventually become available. They don't have that kind of time. They need that developed for them now. And that's essentially what we do. But that's where I feel that there's this drive for human life to protect and defend it in a way where people are worth that. Our dignity is worth that. It's worth, you know, fighting to save somebody's life and not just saying, well, that didn't work. We'll try this. That didn't work. Okay, you're off to hospice or whatever that is. You're, you know, you're gonna die. And then how does that affect the family and all of that community where instead, if we could reverse engineer what's wrong with them, get that target on board sooner than later, they're going to have a much better chance at living. They're gonna. And a lot less guesswork. Because right now there's just a lot
of guesswork happening, like pinning the tail on the donkey. And I think like, like you say, if you did treat everybody as. Even if they had set protocols, but everyone that comes in is treated as a blank canvas from a point of view of, like you say, finding out what it is that you're dealing with. I mean, even little things like there's. I mean, a lot of people don't even know this. There's like things like mutations in genes, like the. The M.8MTHR gene. You know, certain people, about 40, very common. Yeah. And that makes a big, very big difference to the food that you're fueling your body with. And it could be something as simple as that that's fueling that imbalance or at least contributing to it. So if you're not actually taking these sorts of things into consideration, again, you're kind of throwing over a big blanket and hoping you catch enough of one of them.
Is infectious exposure. So many people have infections. You could have Lyme disease, it's linked to breast cancer. There was a published paper just recently. You can have viruses, bacteria, fungus, parasites. People are exposed to these things, but they go on. But what they don't know is that it suppresses their immune system. And then wait, a mutation goes unchecked because they already have metabolic issues. And so it's the storm. Oh, now there's a tumor or whatever, there's a series of things. So nobody's doing root cause analysis properly. I was looking at, according to the World health organization, like 13% of cancers are caused by infection. But that's only because we're not testing everybody that are cancer patients for infections because it's like, why bother? We're treating their cancer. But if you'll look there, you'll see Epstein Barr, Cytomegalovirus, HHV6. You'll see all these parasites. So these infectious diseases are also important, along with chemicals, heavy metals and exposures. Somebody's lived in farming areas and they've been around a lot of pesticides. All these things are part and parcel to this blueprint. For an individual to ignore them is a mistake because the disease will either come back or it'll come back in another form. I've been doing this for 25 years and I can tell you as soon as you strip that causative agent, everything starts to respond better to care. That's another big part, particularly the immune system. So this is why we need to, you know, like you said, address healthy living. But we also need to pay attention to our environment and, and there's ways to test for these things so that this is how we can prevent or, you know, feel good and healthy. I always look at health from not just how your body feels physically, but your energy. Like to me the biggest commodity is energy. Right, Energy. The energy to get home, 8, 9, 10 o' clock at night and be like, and be almost untouched, ready to go. That's a heart. I mean that, that's really being in tune with your body needs to eat the energy it needs your emotions, the whole component. So the energy is always a good commodity for patients to look at how they're feeling. Ask them, what's your energy like? Well, I crash at noon or I don't have enough energy to do this. That is where. You know what I mean? That commodity is a very important piece to, to our health. Adrenal health, immune health, ability to sleep well at night. All these things are for the general public to follow. But when you're dealing with these chronic illnesses, the data exists, the tools exist for people to be helped. I just think we need to continue encouraging this n of one model where each individual is unique and to find what is needed for them. And if we focus on that, we're going to have tremendous improvement in chronic disease.
I think also on the flip side, continuing to ignore it also fuels quite a few of the conspiracy theories. You mentioned parasites there. Now we know that there are certainly some cancers that respond very well to actually having the parasites taken out of them. And now what's happened is you've got these people out there saying cancer is parasites.
And it's like, yeah, no, that was started by Helga Clark. Many years ago there was a naturopathic doctor, Helga Clark, and the whole thing was wormwood artemisin, which by the way is a fantastic treatment in adjuvant, as an adjuvant to other therapies could be good. But no, not every cancer is a parasite. And then there was Simoncini out of Italy who used to say, it's a fungus. I've met these people, I know them. And I said, no, cancer is not a fungus. But you will find fungus around cancers if you biopsy them because sometimes there's a necrotic tissue that dies. So you're absolutely right. It's important that we operate under testing and scientific information. We don't just say everybody's disease is the same thing. That's the same thing with what we're seeing on the Internet. Everybody's doing these crazy diets. They re. They watch a. Somebody who's well known in the anti aging space, God bless them, they're doing good work. But it's like the next trend, right? And it's great for their YouTube channel, whatever they're doing, but it's not honest to the patient because everybody is different. Some people do better eating a certain way versus others. And then if you know. And the same thing is true with infections, when you test, you say, whoa, okay, we see high levels of Epstein Barr. Okay, let's address that. Or these, you Know, do a bowel stool analysis. Okay, there's parasites. Let's address it. But to think that every disease or every cancer type is caused by a parasite or a particular infection, that's just not true. But we do find that most patients have infections that are untreated, a lot of them viral. Actually, they're viral infections that people pick up throughout their life. But let's look at one. Here's an example, one you may not think of. But you know, you look at helicopter pylori, gastrointestinal cancer from the gut, okay. And then the zinc carnosine supplements that have been around for a long time that have helped people knock those down. But you have these, the, the gut impact for, for those cancers. Epstein Barr lymphoma. Right. Hpv. Right. Human papillonavirus. So these different, you know, cervical, these different types of cancers that we have linked to different infections have been well published. They're there. So we test for them. But when you have a patient who has a high viral load or a high infectious load, high mycotoxin for mold exposure, this is a thing. I mean, we did an analysis for a group that was a large population was getting autoimmune disease and they were living in a mold rich environment. We had to clean the mold out, mycotoxins out, they had to move out. They feel fantastic. So everyone is different. We go back to that, you know, be careful not to find the next exciting title and jump on board, but find what's needed for you. And that's the job of what a fantastic doctor will do, is kind of run all this information and say, okay, you're looking great here, but here's where the issues are and everybody is different. It's truly different. So this idea that every cancer is caused by a parasite is not, is not honest. I'm speaking from thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of tests we run over 25 years. In some patients, yes, they have very high parasitic loads that need to be treated. And even when those are treated, you still have to treat the cancer. It doesn't mean you treat the parasite, the cancer goes away. It's only one aspect to the, to maybe the, the causative factor to that person. A more common one is pesticides. That's a more common one you'll find is pesticides when you test patients have very high level of, you know, pesticides and those need to be cleaned out. So heavy metals, everybody has some heavy metal exposure in the world we live in, but heavy metals are, are as, just as Important. So. And all of us have these inborn errors of metabolism, meaning different ways to metabolize these things in our body that our genetic weaknesses, some can metabolize better and worse. And in that aspect we become more susceptible to collecting more of these harmful agents to our body.
100 and that was the point I was trying to make is it's like all of these contributing factors, factors that on a scale of these are all the things that could be contributing doesn't mean that everybody's going to have them. But when you have this other approach and you have this kind of ignorance to the approach that you're taking from a more mainstream point of view, it gives these people that find out about parasites or about this or that, this kind of narrative that that's what it is. So having.
Well, it's ivermectin. It's the big ones being pushed as ivermectin and ivermectin. You saw that Mel Gibson went on the show with Joe Rogan and he talked about four of his friends that got great responses with fenbendazole, menbendazole and ivermectin. Well, what people don't know is we get calls literally every month, thousands. And many of these people are taking ivermectin. They found someone to get it to them. They're taking methylene blue, they're doing all these things and their cancer's still there, or they're doing chemo and it's still not working. And the point is that in the right scenario, that agent can work very well. It can help on tumor micro environment immunity. But which chemo are you taking? What's your tumor microenvironment look like? Is it the right repurposed drug? Again, I go back to the testing and the data because you don't want what somebody said on a podcast that worked for three people. You want what is needed for you. And that's where I looking at these thousand plus data points is so critical. So you aren't just trying things and guessing which is what unfortunately people feel like they have to do because their physicians and the ecosystems of the healthcare that they're experiencing doesn't have the infrastructure to do this kind of deep planning and care design for them.
I think, I think the more, more people that go down your type of route, I think the more this is going to become more knowledge, people are going to get on this and they're going to understand that this is something that is very individualized. And again, the amount of people that I speak to that. Have their bloods taken or. And I'm not saying to have it done every week or some people are obsessed by it, but at least never to know where your sort of, kind of ground level is at the moment. It's. It's something that's very important. Again, coming back to any kind of illness, where are your mineral levels? You know, are they chronically low? Is you zinc up or down? And magnesiums and even these sort of real, real sort of base areas, people don't really understand. It's really their responsibility, ability to make sure that they're okay there. Because again, keep on top of these things. Eat good food, preferably single ingredient, but at least whole food. And then you're doing the best you can to make sure these things aren't actually getting. Getting ahead of themselves.
Well, you have. We have essentially, I call them the three or four horsemen. You have cardiovascular disease, I'll tell you how to prevent that in a minute. It's very simple. You have cancer, I'll tell you how to find that and take care of it. Very simple. And diabetes, our metabolic disease, and then Alzheimer's, dementia, which can be very metabolic, too. So the first one we look at cardiovascular disease. And yes, diet is hugely important, lifestyle is important. But some people may have, like, an elevated lp, lipoprotein A, and they could be very young and get a heart attack at 40. Right. So one of the nice tools we like to use there is CT angiography. Yeah, you just basically get a ct, they just take a picture. And the most important thing you're looking at is soft plaque, because the calcium score is hard plaque. The soft plaque are the widowmakers. They're like the pimples sitting into those essential vessels feeding the heart. And if those dislodge and get to the heart, that's the way. So if we do a seat. So most people are not doing cardiovascular screening. You know what they're doing? Cholesterol testing. This is not going to solve the problem or, you know, so what you really want is to look at a nice image of a CT angiography. You can look at the heart really nice and say, wow, my heart's clear, looking good, and maintain that. So if we see something, you can go right in you. There's. We've developed unique chelation formulas for those types of things you do. There's diet and lifestyle retest. And if somebody's far gone, it may need an emergency procedure, which cardiologists do a fantastic job of saving people's lives. If it's gone that far, but nobody's screening these things. So that's the first horseman. The second one is oncology. And now we have tests where with one blood test you can screen 50, 70 cancers, but then you can just follow up with imaging. So let's say it's breast and you have a signal for breast cancer. But. But then you run a QT breast ultrasound. I like that far better than a mammogram. And it's there. Now we have something. We haven't even done a biopsy yet. And we can go in and freeze the tumor. No need of surgery, no lumpectomy, no mastectomy. Just freeze it. 45 minutes. Done. Change the diet and lifestyle. Patients in remission. Yeah, I mean, this is, this is the right now. And so cardiac, that's oncology. And metabolic is pretty simple, right? You look at a 1C for dosamine. The way your body handles glucose, we're all a little bit different. Clean up that diet like you were talking about. Some people do better with intermittent fasting. Some people that are hypoglycemic may need to eat a little sooner. They find their window up their quality proteins, vegetables, et cetera. And their diet is. Is operating better with activity. And their metabolics improve their. Increase their phytonutrients by eating lots of good, you know, foods that have, you know, great preventive properties like green tea and cacao. You fantastic cacao, where you're at some of the best in the world. A little bit of that chocolate every night. That's at 80, 90%, you know, all these little things. But the point is that nobody's doing the testing and the screening. So the best way to do glucose is you can get them. Now put a continuous glucose monitor on yourself for two weeks, connect it to your phone and you will get every doubt. And you don't need to watch YouTube channels because it's going to tell you when you eat strawberries, your sugar is high, but if you eat it with almond butter, you're okay. So everybody is so different. For me to try to develop that for you, I can tell you, you don't eat refined sugars and carbohydrates and that wins. But at the end of the day, if you just put on a little glucose monitor connected to your phone and just do it for two weeks, for somebody who's worried about metabolic disease, you'll know immediately, okay, this is my blood sugar does beautifully when I eat like this. When I do this, I feel good. And you can check your emotions and how you feel. I have lots of energy, plus my blood sugar, staying beautiful in the right. This is the right combinations for me. And everybody's that different. And once you've done that exercise. There we go, we've got the four horsemen. We've solved cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes and then Alzheimer's. Dementia is in the same way as we just talked about with metabolic disease. That's going to help. You want to decrease the C reactive protein, the A1C, make sure all those things are good. But in addition to that, when we do the CT angiography for the heart, we also do one for the brain. It's a picture we can take and it shows us that you're getting the right blood supply to the brain and there's no clotting. And, you know, because a lot of that can cause problems to, to like homocysteine is a common one, which you, you know, when you have a methylation problem, you actually can fix both methylene, right? You can fix the homocysteine plus the methylation. And most people, we could say almost 50 of the world has methylation issues. They need, right, the right forms of B vitamins and glycine and other things they can do. A little supplement on methylation makes a world of difference, diet and lifestyle. And Therehere we go, 1, 2, 3, 4. And we did it in less than three minutes. And if we just did that, the world changes. That's it. That's simple.
It's funny. Is it? I mean, it all comes back to a little bit of agency. It just, it just taking that responsibility, isn't it? I mean, I think responsibility back in, when I was younger, for my parents generation, was going to see the doctor, you know, just like just the GP visit. And I think actually because we've also got. Got a lot better sort of resources available to us now, so there's no real reason why we shouldn't. And again, things like the methylation test, the mthr, that's a one test, you never have to do it again, it's not going to change. So just having that little bit of responsibility, finding out where you are, I think a lot of people don't want to do that because it's like, I don't want to know. But the best time to know is now, you know, not put it off for another 10 years is so easy
to treat, so easy to treat. You find something like that. And these CT angiographies, you can go, I mean, you're going to have them in Europe too. You have to ask for them because normally the doctors in the United States, they do, you know, they go to cardiac angiography, where they actually want to go into the blood vessels. You know, you start with this. And the reason why I like this over just a stress test, which is good, you can do those, is it takes a picture. You're literally looking in the heart, you can see the blood vessels for the most part. And you have AI tools now that can read it if you want and gives you a percentage of soft plaque or not. So you go, wow, your heart. So if you're eating a diet and someone says, well, gee, you're eating too many fats, it's kind of irrelevant. Are they healthy fats? Because those healthy fats in your genetics might be fantastic. Where I might need more olive oil because my family comes from the Mediterranean, we do better probably with fish and olive oil. I don't know that. But yes, when I do the test, I can see that and I can screen cancer. If I find cancer in its very earliest stages. You can avoid surgery. I mean, we literally can go in and spot treat. It's so quick. But you need to be connected with the right doctors that are working in this type of space, because those are the horsemen. And if you do that type of screening like we do, you're. You don't have to be scared of dying. You know, people are very scared. They walk around, they go, I'm having heartburn. Is this a heart attack? I'm like, well, let's do ct. Oh, it's clear. I don't need to know your cholesterol. And these cholesterol drugs sold worldwide are pretty useless. There are some use cases, but they're pretty useless because, you know, that's not the secret to good health, is low cholesterol, right? Because you need it for hormone production, you need it for healing, you need it for immunity. Ldh, right? You need all that stuff. So especially when you look at ldl, you need that for your immune system and so forth. The question is, what's the quality of it? Is it a large or a tiny one? Is it clogging your heart? So when you take these pictures and they're very fast, non invasive procedures, you have all the answers you need and you're ready to go. Say, okay, I got it, or we need to make some changes. Let's retest. And if we do that screening, and this is precision medicine on the screening side, just like I talked about on the treatment side, we can really help somebody very easily, not be scared, first of all, which is great. Live your life, I'm doing the right things or make some changes to improve. And now people don't have to die from these diseases. Think about how long people could live if heart disease, diabetes, cancer. And I'm not talking theoretical, I'm saying if you do this testing, you can spot it, proper interventions, diet, lifestyle, other things, even you need me sometimes if you're far gone, you can put a stent in that's 10 years. So if somebody had a cardiovascular problem, I'm an integrative doc, right? But you have a problem and that thing is clogged and it's bad, which we had. Just not too long ago one of our doctors, fathers came through for testing and clogged everywhere. And he just claimed we saved his life. We had him go in. He actually was one of those patients that needed bypass because it was just so far gone, had so many years of it was just, and it saved his life. He's going to have another 10 foot now. Of course, diet and lifestyle and all the other things needed to be there, but most of the patients don't need that. They just need a little guidance and they can avoid those procedures. But when you need it, you need it. And he's on the earth another, you know, 10, 15 years, you know, praise God. So this is why we don't need to be scared. We just need to be under the care of good doctors that know what they're doing, they're going to love their patients, guide them and get the fear out, get the right care in and live that, you know, we don't need to die young anymore. The technology is here.
I, I, I'm, I'm excited, I'm definitely excited for, for what the future holds. I mean, again, I think there's going to be a big transition and again, people are going to have to go and find it themselves. People can have to go and reach out and find doctors like yourself rather than like the traditional or what's currently on offer. But I think, think I, I'm, I'm optimistic. I've seen again, I'm not saying 50 of the, the sort of population are now sort of all talking about health, but I think we've definitely reached a sort of, kind of a critical mass. I think we've definitely reached that sort of 25 mark of people that really are trying different diets, trying this, trying that. I mean, some of it might be fads, some of it might be, do you know what I mean? But the fact that people are actually now engaging in this, it's I'm more optimistic than I was definitely five years ago, that's for sure.
I think Covid was a wake up to the world that the system has a lot of issues that we can improve on. And so I think that opened up everybody's world that, hey, there is more to the story in the sense that we don't need to be vaccinating little kids anymore. We have data on all this. Right. We don't need to harm people. So a lot of that has woken up. I think in the United States, people have stopped trusting the three letter organizations, you know, cdc, all these different companies. And not that they're, they're probably improving now. Maybe they're going to improve and they're doing what the best they can. But people realize they have to take personal responsibility for their health. Yeah, they need to be in charge of where they go and what they do because the system is not automatically going to produce what you think it will. In fact, I always say in the United States, essentially we have expensive socialized medicine, meaning people are paying by through their insurance, but they're not getting the best technology for it. They're getting better technology than maybe in Europe for emergency medicine. But when it comes to chronic and terminal illnesses that if you go to all the top hospitals, you're getting the same protocols, the same regimens, the same series of care until you do something like what we're talking about, where you get into N of 1 and precision care, then you can really start to drive your future because you have so much information, you can make better decisions.
Well, and again, I mean, there's so many people out there that will say, oh, that the, the healthcare system's corrupt. Is that. And I'm kind of like, well, actually, no, if, if somebody's giving you, whether it's a doctor, whoever it is, it's quite mad to think that if somebody's giving you like a chemical to put into your body that you wouldn't at the very least think it's your responsibility to look at the, you know, you get the insert and you just have a look at the common side effects. It's not to say that you're not going to take it because, well, you
have, you have AI now you just go into AI and say, right. I mean, AI can build you the best diet, almost better than any nutritionist it could build you because it has all this data built in. I don't trust all of it because some of it is skewed, but it gives you some fundamental information. What are the side effects can this hurt my kidneys? And what's interesting is do your pharmacogenomics validate that drug? Because if you're on a drug long term, it can shut your kidneys down and shorten your lifespan by 7 to 10 years. So these a lot of our elderly people on 5, 7, 10 medications, it's actually harming them. This is way too much medication. And to fix that is very simple. You run a pharmacogenomics blood test that says geez, they can't metabolize this, let's get off and let's change it. And so the system is, it's necessary because if you have to treat the entire world and you need an assembly line to do it, that's what healthcare is.
Yeah, exactly.
And so I've had meetings with people where, but I think with technology now we can move more into precision. But for the longest time if you're trying to treat all the people of the world and all these different financial demographics, cities, we have what's called standard of care globally. And standard of care is good, it's a starting point, but it's not the best in the world. It's what I would say is in my model, socialize. It's a standard health care, everybody's getting it. Well, you have Medicare, maybe it'll pay for it, but it's the standard, it's not the best healthcare. I don't care if you're paying for the, the, the best insurance in the world. 2,3000amonth per family member. It's still no different. It's the same technology you have access to until you start getting deeper and the data you need to guide your individual biometrics and essentially to use a back lack of a better word, biohack your health. That's what these tools allow us to do. And that's where I think the future of healthcare for sure is going.
And I think the good thing is, is that coming back to what you were saying at the start and what we've doing been, I've kind of touched upon is a lot of the things again, biohacking again is another kind of co opted term. But a lot of the biohacking tools out there are simply just behavioral changes and they're not necessarily, they're free in the fact that you need to eat anyways, breathing, you know, getting, trying to become present as much as you can, a little bit of meditation, you know, actually calming the mind, getting that nervous system balance again. So yeah, just, just these really little sort of things where give yourself an hour a week, an hour a day, if you can, and just these little tweaks and that's going to get you into a better position. And then in those scenarios where you aren't feeling quite up to it and, and the horse is bolted, like I've said, is actually having these different approaches to really find out exactly what it is that needs to be targeted rather than that blanket approach and just hope that it sticks. I understand why healthcare has got like that. I call it the world's largest subscription model. It's like subscriptions for these different types. I remember I had one of my earliest clients, I always used to say, look, can I just have a look at what you're taking? Because if I do recommend a plant medicine, I want to make sure there's no counter interactions, you know, the grapefruit effect. And there was an ssri, which obviously a lot of people are on. And it said on the front, not to be taken for more than 12 weeks. There's a warning on the front of the packet. And I said to her, how long have you been taking this medication? She was like, about six years. And I was like, did, did the, the warning on the front side not to be taken for more than 12 weeks not make you just at least think to question it? I mean, at least look into it? Again, I'm not saying question your doctor, but at least say to your doctor, says, 12 weeks here. Why am I still on it after five years? I mean, even that wasn't enough to get that person to question the protocol they were on. And again, I'm not telling people to go out there and say that your doctor's incompetent and assume the worst, but at least ask the question.
Well, the SSRIs are. There's no test for them, right? There's no lab test for them. And why not give new serotonin instead of reuptake inhibitors, right? That's a drug. But why not use new serotonin? Why not develop new serotonin, which you can. And so there's a whole lot in that gut microbiome, in acceleration with, with different proteins and things that impact that. So there's so much that can be done when you're under the care of a good healthcare provider that's going to walk you through that. And most of the people I know that are really on the high end of mental health have done so much with counseling, even more than they've done with medication, when they honestly speak about that. Now, that doesn't mean Some people may need some temporary medications for calming them down. But there's so many tools and the plant world is full of them. We don't need to go into all that. But it's, it's full of a lot of ways to improve GABA and help the brain relax or improve sleep. It's exciting. And I think that's an important part of people having a good, blessed life, is not to be stressed.
Yeah.
Anxiety and worries can really steal people from their joy and steal them from what you know is in the present moment or being able to connect with their families and others because they're in this. And then it can lead to alcoholism and other, you know, harmful drugs and things that can really make a huge impact on their life. If they have the right tools. Right. And guidance, that's. It can be very productive and healthy. You know, it can make a big difference in their health.
Yeah. Without the alcohol and the drugs is often it's the way to, to numb the pain and, and again to forget the troubles. And quite often, and like you say, coming back to those childhood traumas, dealing with those, I mean, I, I still swear that those are the starting point of so many chronic illnesses. And the thing is they're so insidious because they're decades apart. Even the breath, when I say to people about a nervous system that's out, out of whack. Yeah, you're going to feel anxious and you do feel that, but you're not going to feel the real long term effects of it until so far down the line. And it's just impossible to make that connection. And when you think about the amount of people that are really depressed, really sort of like maybe not necessarily suicidal, but it's gone to a certain point. Yes, like you say, bridging that gap with the counseling as well, until we. You can get to the core of their problem. But the amount of people that get given them because of anxiety, you know, their anxious behaviors. And again, just knowing that you can actually take control of your nervous system and your anxiety and levels just by understanding the breath and breath work may be amazing and it is incredible and it will give you more capacity and it does compound. But again, until you deal with what's firing off that nervous system, you know, that little thing, that's the spark, you're still going to be using a form of sense of management.
And think about this. There's some patients, I think you talked about something really important. The breath work can help you get to that parasympathetics place. Where you can spot that trauma. But sometimes traumas happen in the womb. I remember years ago, I took a class called Inner Healing by Judith and Francis McNutt, which was a fantastic course. It was a Christian healing course on traumas because I wanted to know how to help patients, you know, and sometimes it happens in the womb. The child's conceived in a difficult situation or is unloved or unwanted coming into the world. How do you know that stuff? I mean. Right. But there's all this moment of healing that I called. That's why I always like the prayer component of things, too, because. Because it can bring us to this revelation to say, I need to talk to Mom. Hey, mom, you know what happened when I was in the. Like, things like in the womb. Right. That's not something you're going to remember, but you may have trauma that starts way back when even. I would say there's even trauma that's generational. Now we're getting into a little area where people don't see. But generational stuff can be there, where this. We see that with alcoholism. We see that with inherited diseases, but that can also be part of people's makeup, that they need generational healing to really break free from something that's been plaguing their. Their family or their health. And it's just this is being in a place where when we know what the cause is, we can address it, and then we can pray and get healing. And then, like you said, a lot of the health that has been stolen can come back because it's. It's been robbed from this traumatic event that happened that maybe sometimes we're aware of, sometimes we're not a lot.
Yeah. My wife, she's. Which does very similar stuff to me, but she's very spiritual. You said earlier about cacao, she holds cacao ceremonies of what she does because it is very good for opening and. And making.
I have one every morning. I. I don't know if it's a full ceremony, but I add my. I have this drink I've been making for years, which is just 100 cacao. And I add a little matcha green tea to it, ashwagandha, a little. A few other things. But then I will, you know, blend those up and drink it. And that's my morning drink, you know. And of course, if you up the cacao, you get that theobromine, which gives you a relaxed. Great for the blood. It's better for me than coffee.
We held a retreat last year, and there was a woman there talking about generational trauma. And it was about, it started off, it was about the fact that when a fetus, a female fetus is. I think it reaches 12, 12 weeks, correct me if I'm wrong, I might be getting this wrong. 12 weeks. They already have all of the eggs that they're going to have for their lifetime. That means that through the eggs that actually three generations of females can actually be directly connected. And they were talking about like the, the passed down traumas experiences and I think it was, they were linking it into the study where they did the study with rats. I don't know if you've saw it where rats did something in, in one particular country and it seemed to pick up the knowledge in rats in other parts of the country. It's like this collective knowledge, you know, like the, don't go near that snake because if you get bitten by it, you're dead. That kind of stuff that seems to get passed down. But it all started with that fact about obviously when a child is at a certain age in the, in the fetus, it already has all of it.
Well, you see it biblically, I mean, where most of this comes from is up to seven generations. And you can see, look, you look at families that have, in the spiritual world, it's like they, they're dealing with some kind of a darkness that's over the family, a spiritual darkness. It could be abuse, it could be verbal abuse, it could be, you know, narcissism, who knows what it is, right? We're a series of different things. It could be trauma, real trauma. And to one thing we can do that I found to be very effective for patients is, and you can look this up, there's a series of scriptures, but you can pray for healing in your generational line. You can take this with the blood, with the love of Christ and you can say, I commend, you know, both sides of your family. So you can name the, you know, the name of your dad's side of the family and your mom's side of the family and give that to the Lord and to go back and heal. Sometimes I'll pray, heal all the way back to Adam and Eve. Heal it all the way to the beginning. Because that generational line, you know, there's a lot of things that, and I always say this, even if people aren't spiritual, they agree there's a lot more to the world than they can understand. And spiritual stuff is, you know, it's palpable. You know, like why does this person behave this? Why are they struggling with this Some of it can be taught at a young age, but some of it can be spiritual. And to know that difference, I think is important. And so to pray for healing using the scriptures and stay on that prayer and then suddenly you'll see things, you know, break in that generational line and the patient experience healing, healing. So I think there's also an important part of generational healing, you know, particularly with things where you just see. Have you ever seen families where like, everybody dies young? Right. It's like, what is this? Everybody? There's something, there's a curse, there's something going on, this needs to get broken. So from a spiritual perspective, if you bring that to prayer and you, you'll be, you know, the Lord will illuminate you, this is the area. And then you can pray for healing in that area and let that area heal. But of course, a lot of that, you know, isn't going to fall into a simple scientific box that's from, you know, I always say there's a different level in the world. You know, when you're talking about spiritual healing, you're talking about people in the near death experiences. Give us the most information here. Yeah, they don't want to come back. They experience this love. Many of them see the Lord, they see family members. I mean, this is the thing. So if we can understand we're eternal beings and there's a spiritual war between light and darkness, and then we need strength to win that. We can't overcome it on our own. We need the power of Christ. Because even though Buddha and everybody are nice people, they didn't have the power to eliminate the enemy. Right. And they didn't rise from the dead either. So there's a power. There's a. I always say the reason that I'm, I'm Christian and I believe in Jesus is because it's the highest level of authority and love. It's the highest level. It moves everything at the name of Jesus. So, so I always, when people are struggling against those things, that's where I go for strength. Because that is the name. And if you can't do it alone, maybe in your area you have a pastor, you can find a good pastor or a priest or somebody, a good friend who's faithful will pray for you. So you don't have to do this alone. You can find people that say, you know, I need some prayer in this area. And if there are people that work in the area of inner healing and they'll pray with you, that's wonderful because it's hard to go about doing all of that alone. But there's a lot of power in that revelation and we all have it. I mean, it's like I started out, we're all broken and we all have different areas. I mean, in family lines that are generational and that's something you can't see. That's why I bring that up is because that's not visible. That wasn't a visible trauma, but it was something that happened in the generational line. No fault of your own, but you were born into it. And the Lord can heal that too. Too.
Something the last five years has definitely shown very clearly in, in many, many instances is it's definitely a dark and light or a good or bad. And I think one thing I say in my breath work quite often, we have this, we have, we give everything a value. But without darkness, you can't have light. Without, you know, bad, you can't have good. So it's kind of having that. And the only thing you actually ever have any control over yourself is, is you. I mean, obviously you can contribute to the children that you're raising and the family, but the only person you really have the control over is yourself. And it's, it's. Is your fingerprint on this world going to be one of light or is it going to be one of darkness? And when I say darkness, it doesn't mean to be other people. It could be darkness to the way you treat yourself. It could be darkness to the way that you waste your opportunity on this life. This is, this is pretty good. You know, I mean, we, we tend to have too many people that think, think that this is, that the glass is half empty. You know, they look at all the bad in the world. I mean, they're so powerful.
Yeah, it's the absence. I think it's, you know, the very simple definition is, it's the absence of God is the absence of love. And that's what, where you have all that, you know, evil and hell is the absence of God's presence. We need it. It's like the joy. There's so our, you know, there's a Great, I like St. Augustine has a great quote. Our heart does not rest until it rests in you, Lord. And I think when we die and we have that peace and that love of the Lord and we're in that presence, we want to come back because we're made complete on the other end if we've gone in the other direction and there's been near death experiences where people have been terrified because they have Gone in the wrong direction. And that is the absence of God. So we need to choose. You know, think of it this way. This. I'll leave you with this because I think this is interesting. The most intelligent thing you can do is bet on the presence of God. God, you can bet on it because, you know, even an intelligent atheist would say, well, if I believe in the Lord and I die, I'm going to have that presence versus not, you know, what's the loss? Except you're trying, you know, people need to really. And the more you study that and the more you actually look at that. The reason that people have a hard time encountering God is usually because there's an issue in their life that they actually are angry at God. It's not that they don't believe in God. Is there, deep down they're angry. There's something that. It can't be possible. My friend died young. This trauma was. There is no God. There could be no God of. You know what I mean? So a lot of times what happens is it's not that people don't. They won't say this, but there's actual studies that show this, that it's not that they're. They're so upset at God. They're angry at this idea that is there a God? But it's not because of the fact of just like we're talking about. It's because deep down inside they're angry. You know, there's an anger that something happened in their life that in their mind showed them evidence that God did not exist. But in fact, if you look at everything around us, you can't deny the existence of a marvelous, intelligent, brilliant, divine, amazing, awesome creator who created us, our very self. And that beautiful presence is what we need. Every day the sun has to come up. Everything has to move in the world perfectly. I mean, even the tiniest little bacteria depends on the creation is marvelous and it's not random. And to me that, you know, if you love nature and you even look at those simple things, there's a, there is a. That points to the beauty of God and as. And then. So we don't need to, I always say we don't need to wrestle against God. We just need to embrace, surrender, and see this loving father. And that becomes hard for people because if they've had a bad relationship with their own father or mother growing up, they seem to reflect that on God. And so it's hard for them to realize that God would actually be loving. One of the best Hebrew words is abba Abba means daddy. So the beautiful thing is we don't know we, until Jesus comes along, we don't know to call God Daddy. We call him God until Jesus says no, call him Father. And not just father, but Daddy. That's so intimate. It's crazy intimate because you only do that when you're a baby. My dad's older now and I go hey dad. But I don't go hey Daddy. That was when I was little, when I was a little boy, your dad would pick you up and be Daddy, you know, so there's this intimacy with God. If we would just go into that intimacy, we can experience the peace, the love that surpasses understanding, purpose. And everything starts to fall in place because we're really not in charge of anything in the sense of we are in charge of what we do with our lives. But we are, you know, we're not going to control every little detail. We're going to trust in the fact that God is with us, you know, and he loves us. And so anyways, I think that's just beautiful because I always think of that word and I think of the intimacy of our relationship with our fathers and mothers and how sometimes that could hurt our relationship with encountering the, this magnificent God who loves us so dearly.
That is a beautiful sentiment and actually took the words out of my mouth. I was going to say to you one thing that I has got, has had me questioning and I do tend to push back to people that say that there's, there is no God. I'm like, if you've looked outside, have you looked, have you looked at the sky? Have you looked at the trees? Have you looked at the movie? Have you laid under a tree lately and just looked at it in the wind and just stared at it? If you listen to the birds singing, if you've been to the beach and see his waves crashing again, if you looked at yourself in the mirror, we literally live in this head and it's literally we see this and all of this is just out of sight, out of mind. And I think if we really paid a bit more attention to it, we would realize that we are, we are the miracle. We are the universe to an extent.
You know, I love talking about the spiritual part of us because I think we're all growing in that area. And it's so beautiful to, you know, like it's, it's the honesty and the reality of our existence to encounter those questions, the old, the age old questions, you know, that people have been thinking about for thousands of years. Who am I? What's my place in the world? And you know, it's such a, it's a great, great conversation.
I think we've also been chronically stressed and chronically polarized for, for so long and the States is a, as a. Is the kind of, of. I suppose it's the example for everywhere because it is, it does tend to set trends and just seeing how polarized things are. I mean again we've, I don't want to mention specifically like the Charlie Kirk thing. I think we now. I, I was, I was really, really. And this is going to sound weird, I was really happy to see the reaction because so many people I saw, no matter whether they liked him or not, they were kind of at a point where I was like enough is enough.
It's been beautiful to hear his spouse because she's right, she's approached this, I don't know how supernaturally with the idea of, of a love. And we're moving in a different direction in the sense of we're in a time where listen, there's, the world is different but it's not like everybody in I think in the world is trying to take care of their families, put food on the table, do the fundamental things, take care of their health. Health. We're more similar than we are different. There's some interesting things happening in the world that are complex though. We have a tremendous amount in Europe. You have in Europe right now because I see this in Italy because I have family there, tremendous amount of Muslim influence. But, but these countries aren't set up for Sharia law. So you just can't import that. That's going to always be a rub. Right? That's a. Not that Muslim people aren't fantastic, they're wonderful people. But the Sharia law component, that doesn't work well in the west. That needs to stay right. So that, that's going to be rough as far as people, people's ideas of, you know, there was just. It's always a balance when you think about it. You know, the idea of respecting the individual, the family, the person. In the United States, I think we reached a, a point where people were done with just woke language, anti family language. So this is what we see and it's just, we just know it's not healthy. Like it's not healthy. It's okay to have ideas, but it's not from a medical perspective. We can't be just performing, you know, gender changing surgeries that are mutilating young people's bodies. That kind of stuff. It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on. It just. It doesn't resonate. Like, it's one thing if somebody's an adult and they feel or whatever is going on, that's. But to do this to a child, you know, so we're reaching a place of common sense, where things are, you know, will sort themselves out. I think what recently happened in the Middle east is very interesting. I hope good things come from it. Of course, there's a lot of behind the scenes we all don't know, but from the perspective of people are meeting and talking about peace, that's a good start. So there's always an agents of change that need to be come into the world, and they're usually not ones that are popular people, but they're willing to do what others aren't, and that's why they're called an agent of change. I think we're starting to see that in the world and even Europe. I hear a lot of excitement coming out of places in Europe where people are saying, hey, look, we're okay bringing immigration in to help people, but we're not going to change our. I mean, Sharia law is a very different world. I mean, we. We have places here in Detroit, Michigan, where you got. You can go to a house and there's four women living in that house with one man. And polygamy is not legal in the United States. And if you're a non Muslim living on that street, they're going to get rid of you. You know, that's not good either. So it's the balance of helping people, respecting people. But if they're coming here or coming into Portugal, that we still have Portugal, we don't lose Portugal. Portugal is a beautiful country. We don't want Portugal to become part of. What makes Portugal a beautiful country is that it is a Judeo Christian country. I mean, all the beautiful churches, all the. We don't want to lose that, you know, so there's a lot there. And the family culture of Portugal, where does that come from? Right. It's a. You don't have one man married to four women in Portugal. That doesn't happen. Right. It's a very different environment.
We've got a little church just around. Just because I live on a hill and I hear it every. Every hour. And the funny thing is, is when the bells go, it's. It's actually. This is funny at Portsmouth Football Club, back where I. I. In the same tune as the. So what I've. Yeah, it's like a little bit of Portsmouth, but also this beautiful bed. It goes off every hour and we go down there. But they have a, a four day festival once every year which falls on our mine and my wife's wedding annivers.
Beautiful.
But again, it's just, it's just every single generation of family lives together here. And there's that. But no, coming back to what I was saying earlier, the difference I noticed is in 2020, when a certain person died, there was burning, looting, riots and cities being taken down. And the other week when somebody very, very synonymous and, and very well respected expected by millions died in front of our very eyes and people were holding vigils and to their neighbors and turned to God and turning to decency. And that's what I was going to say to you just now is it's like woke.
Much a better way to handle it. Much better way to handle tragedy. Right.
But woke basically is yes, we should be decent. We should be decent to anybody, okay? We should be understanding. We should also use common sense that until somebody is an adult, they can't be making decisions like, like the one that you mentioned earlier. So we should use a bit of common sense, but we should always be decent, empathetic. We should be Christian, you know, but when it gets where actually you have to forego any kind of opinion, right?
Or that doesn't work. That's why America, America had gotten so with the previous administrations have become so woke and politically correct that it was no good anymore. So that what you're seeing is every time there's something, there's the balance is going to come in and what you're seeing now is like, look, we're done with all this. We're. How do you hire, for example, the DEI hires we had in the United States, right? Diversity, inclusion, you don't. You just want the best person. Like we have everybody in our company, all different colors, all different backgrounds, you want the best people. You don't want the person flying your plane to be a DEI hire. You want the best pilot. So this is nonsense. It's common sense. But we've started to move in a direction where it was common sense was out the window. The inclusiveness was not about inclusiveness, inclusiveness, it was starting to encroach on family values and morals. Like if you turn on the Disney movies, you have to be careful. The kids get into something that's totally un family ready. So we're in a different time and I think the world is open and Europe is now very awake. I'VE been seeing a lot of stuff coming out of Europe where everybody in Europe loves. I mean, I, they have no problem with foreign areas usually, but, but when the immigration becomes to the point where it's changing the culture and like you have to be careful that your wife can't walk to the grocery store, that's not good. And that's where we're seeing now in the United States is that opposite side. And that's, that's frankly why Trump got into office, was because of this. He was the only one speaking loud enough and, and, and, and strong enough to say we're going to change this.
He was the best person for you, to be quite honest. Whatever people said, we're very much on the same wavelength. So I do think we should have a follow up.
It's all over, all over the world that's happening right now. People are becoming awake and it doesn't mean that the other side, whatever the other side, I think people are all between in the middle, but we are. It's an answer to what was going on. You know, people just want to be safe. But thank you so much for today's interview.
I've really enjoyed this. And so before I let you go, obviously we've mentioned at the medical center, centers that you have, if you'd like to sort of like mention anything at all in particular that you're promoting or you want to push people towards, or even if you just want to give a bit more information on how people can reach out and find one of your medical centers that may be interested, that'd be awesome.
Yeah. So if, if you want to reach out to the medical center, it's in Vita E N V I T a dot com. So E N V I T a dot com. And you can, if you want to learn more about cancer. And I have a podcast that's called the Dr. Dino podcast, outsmart Cancer, and it's all about cancer. And it goes into more detail, much more detail on technology and what's going on in the industry. And that's an opportunity to just have open discussions and people can listen to those. I think they're, they're not. There's a YouTube channel for it, but there's also Spotify. Anywhere there's podcasts, you can, you know, listen to it. And if you're interested in cancer's newest technologies and evolutions. And I do try to also include the spiritual components in there too, to help people as they're going through that difficult time in their life.
So I'll put all that in the descriptions. Hopefully people will sort of go and check that out. I'll obviously give you a follow as well on the podcast. That'd be really interesting to hear that.
But thank you very much.
Thoroughly enjoyed this conversation.
Well, may God bless all your listeners and may they be enriched by what they hear and may their lives be blessed.
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