From Illness to Insight: Stephen's Health Journey - Episode 361

Again, I had good metabolic health numbers, a long history of optimal cholesterol levels, low inflammatory numbers, a coronary artery calcium score of 0, 6 months prior to the heart attack, which puts you at less than 1% risk. So on paper, I looked pretty good. There was no reason for them to be concerned, and it still happened.

Hey everyone, Dr. Gladden here. I just finished a conversation with a chiropractor, Dr. Stephen Hussey, who went through some childhood challenges with autoimmunity and then suffered a large heart attack at age 34. It's an interesting route that he's taken to figure out what was behind the issues and what his path forward is with regards to his health. One of the key components that we're gonna talk about is structured water, how it's made, what it's used for, and the fact that we make it inside of our bodies all the time. He's gonna give you lots of insight into the massive health benefits of maintaining this energized structured water in your system. I think you're really gonna enjoy this podcast.

He went from saving hearts as a cardiologist to rewriting the entire aging playbook. Dr. Jeffrey Gladden believes 100 is the new 30, and he's got the science to back it up. This is the Gladden Longevity Podcast.

Stephen, welcome to the, uh, Gladden Longevity Podcast. It's great to have you here. Looking forward to the conversation. Yeah,

it's great to be here. Thanks for having me.

Yeah. So walk us through a little bit your journey in terms of your medical career, having a cardiac situation at age 34. I'm sure there's some twists and turns in this story here that the audience would appreciate understanding.

Yeah. So, I mean, from a very young age, I, I had a lot of what you would call inflammatory type conditions. At age 2, I was diagnosed with asthma. I used to break out in hives all over my body, just giant hives. I had asthma, irritable bowel syndrome, lots of different things. And so my family and I were just kind of relying on modern medicine to help us manage those conditions. At age 9, I was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. So I was in the hospital for a week learning how to manage that. Mm-hmm. And, you know, their main approach was giving me medications, right? There was no advice on diet or anything like that. It was just take insulin when you need it, give me prednisone and various allergy medications for all that stuff. And it wasn't until college that I started to figure out that I could change my lifestyle, change the way I live my life, and have a direct impact on these things. So I'm happy to say I got rid of all those inflammatory conditions. I would no longer consider myself asthmatic or anything like that. Yeah.

So how did— tell us how you Got rid of those inflammatory conditions. We know that, you know, childhood asthma, a lot of people quote unquote grow out of childhood asthma, things like that. So, but it sounds like you were done doing something more conscientious and more specific.

Yeah, at that time it was just diet changes. That's pretty much all I could control really. Yeah, being in college, I just could control what I ate. So I started eating more whole foods, started just getting rid of the toxins and things like that. So as far as those things, that's pretty much what I did. there. And then so that got me thinking, like, well, no doctor ever told me that. Like, it also just changing diet made it much easier to control type 1 diabetes. So, well, no doctor told me that. So it was just interesting.

Yeah, it's fascinating what the, uh, the dearth of, of actual just common sense, you know. You know, I mean, I was trained as an MD, right? So I know the, I know the whole drill, but it's, it's just interesting how it's such a pharma and procedural-based mindset. Quite honestly, yeah. So you got into diet. Obviously that can make a massive difference on a lot of different things. So it didn't solve every problem for you though. It sounds like there were still some residual things going on.

Um, not really. I mean, I, I mean, not until much later. At that time, yeah, I got rid of all those inflammatory conditions aside from the type 1 diabetes. That was kind of collateral damage of that inflammation. So,

right,

yeah, it still made it easier to control the type 1, but that at that point I was curious. I was like, Oh, I— so I got passionate about kind of health and wellness. And, you know, so after college I went and got a chiropractic degree, and then I got a master's in human nutrition and functional medicine and just started kind of doing that. But I'd always kind of controlled my health with, or attempted to live a healthy lifestyle through diet and exercise. Those were my main things. I could always control those. I ate a whole foods diet of varying types, and I was always athletic and played a lot of sports. So I was always very active. So I did that for, you you know, the better part of 14 years.

So what kind of sports did you play?

I played soccer, played a lot of flag football in college and after college. I like to go hiking. I play golf. I played lots of different things.

Did you start to notice some things with your blood sugar as you were playing athletics?

No, not really. I mean, the more active I am, the more I can control it though, the more insulin sensitive I am for sure. I've noticed— I noticed that, but I've been active my whole life, so that's— doesn't— hasn't really changed. I did notice though, I did a My 4th grade science experiment was me going out and exercising and then testing my blood sugar before and after and seeing what would happen. And, I remember learning in that time, I thought the experiment failed. I was so upset because I would go out and I'd exercise and sometimes my blood sugar would go up because I hadn't administered any insulin. And so, without any insulin, it wasn't going to respond and it wasn't going to go down. Sure. But, I thought the experiment failed. I was like, oh, no, exercise is supposed to make it go down. That's what they told me. But then my endocrinologist was like, no, this is actually a good experiment. You learned something in this.

Right. Yeah, I was bringing that up because in a world of hyperglycemia, which high blood sugars of course can damage the body and high insulin can damage the body, both of them can by different mechanisms. But yeah, people tend to think that exercise is good. But to your point, if you're insulin resistant, or in your case, insulin devoid of insulin, then, you know, one way or the other, if you're not able to get the increased blood sugar that's being released in response to the exercise into the muscles, And, you know, blood sugar goes up and now it's a problem. And I suspect that once you figured that out and you gave yourself some insulin before you would work out or play or exercise, that you would perform better because you'd have more nutrients to draw from. I don't know, maybe that's just a question mark. Maybe you can comment on that.

Yeah, it just depends. If there was insulin present, like if I gave myself enough basal insulin, then I wouldn't want to do that because I would go low.

There we go. Okay, sure.

But if I was higher and, and I go work out, exercise, it might go even more higher because there's no insulin present. It doesn't matter how much I worked out, there's no insulin present to do that. So yeah, it's just kind of this game that us type 1s have to play. We always have to be balancing those insulin levels with our activities, with our environment, stress, all kinds of stuff. So it's definitely been interesting throughout my life.

This is interesting. So you're living with a condition, several conditions in childhood, and then a condition that persists even after you have your insights about nutrition and Let's call it healthier lifestyle choices. What was the impact of that on you psychologically relative to your, you know, your friends in 4th grade or 8th grade or 10th grade or 12th grade or college that didn't have to deal with those kinds of issues? Did that have any impact for you?

I don't ever remember thinking that it did. I don't ever remember thinking like that I felt bad for myself or sorry for myself or jealous of my friends who didn't have to. I just kind of did it. The one thing that it did create though for me and my parents was that There was some tension. I mean, I didn't, I can't say I took care of myself in high school. You know, I had A1Cs, I think it topped out at 11 at one point because I just didn't take care of myself. And

so, yeah, so normal would be like, I mean, good would be like 5.1, 5.2, 4.9, you know, somewhere in that range, right? So 11 is, uh, is out of control essentially.

Sure. Yeah. And so that was frustrating. So one, one psychological or mental thing that it did create was like struggle between my parents and I, because they would see that and be like, you know, you have to take better care of yourself. And what I learned from that though, is that when I would take care of myself, it would get them off my back. And so it was like, it was like this, it was like this thing that I learned that, well, if I do own this and I do take care of it, then I'll get what I want, which is for them to stop bothering me. So, yeah.

Yeah. Interesting. I mean, everybody grows up with challenges. I was just curious to see, you know, how that played out for you. One thing is it made you more health conscious at a younger age, probably than your peers were. Right. And some other things. So everything can end up being a gift. It depends on how we looked at it. So, for sure. So take us through the next stages. What, what happened after that?

Well, then for the better part of, you know, whatever it was, 12 years, uh, 14 years after college, I just lived a healthy lifestyle as much as I could. I'd avoid toxins. I'd manage my blood sugars as best I can, ate a whole foods diet, uh, always exercised. And then despite those efforts, uh, despite having, you know, good metabolic health and a long history of, you know, quote unquote good cholesterol numbers and everything, I still had a widowmaker heart attack at the age of 34. There was nothing on paper that would've predicted that according to modern medicine. Again, I had good metabolic health numbers, a long history of optimal cholesterol levels, if you believe in there's such an optimal level. And I had no low inflammatory numbers. I had imaging, or at least a coronary artery calcium score of 0, 6 months prior to the heart attack, which puts you at less than 1% risk. Doesn't measure soft plaque, but still measures the hard plaque. So on paper, I looked pretty good. There was no reason for them to be concerned, and it still happened. So yeah, I like to point that out.

Yeah, and I think traditional medicine— I won't call it modern medicine because I feel like what we practice is modern medicine— but in traditional medicine, for sure, the surveillance testing and the risk assessments and things like that are so rudimentary that it's, you know, many, many people fall through the cracks, right? How many times have people heard stories, he just had a checkup and everything, you know, was great, and then he died of a heart attack the next week, right? So I think the world has come to understand that it takes more sophisticated analysis of what's happening to really understand what's going on. You can't just get it with cholesterol profile and a calcium score, right?

I would say that no testing could ever really 100% determine your risk.

Well, that's true too. That's true too. There is no test that characterizes anything to 100%. And I think it's important for the audience to understand that each test is actually a lens, but it doesn't tell you— no one test actually tells you what's going on. It's really putting the test together that allows something to kind of come into focus. And even then, it can be a little bit more fuzzy Or clearer depending on, you know, what kind of look you're able to get at it, right?

So, yeah.

So did they determine what the, uh, what the cause was for the widowmaker heart attack for you?

No, they'll, they'll never determine what it is. No one ever could tell me

that. Okay, well, let me just, let me ask a couple questions. So you're 34. Where are you when this happens?

Uh, I'm in my house and the morning of the heart attack making, making my first meal of the day. It's around 10, 10:30 in the morning.

Okay. And what are your symptoms?

Uh, when did they start? It was just from one second to the next, intense pain in the center of my chest.

Okay, intense pain. And were you short of breath, breaking out in a sweat, things like that, or predominantly pain?

I don't remember being short of breath, no. Um, but yeah, I got really hot and flushed. I didn't sweat.

Okay. And then you called 911?

Yeah, within about 5 minutes I called.

Yeah. And then they took you to the hospital, and did they take you into the cath lab?

Yep.

Yeah. Okay. So this is where modern medicine is at its best, is in kind of emergency scenarios, right? This is where it kind of shines. So they took you into the cath lab. They found that you had an occluded left anterior descending artery, which would be the widowmaker artery as referred to. It's the reason it's called that is because that particular artery brings blood flow to the largest distribution of the heart of any of the 3 main arteries that feed the heart. So, and it's in a very important location down the front. It also, there's a 4 chambers in the heart, 2 main pumping chambers, and it supplies the majority of the blood to the division between those 2 main pumping chambers. So you not only lose the free wall, but you lose the septum— it's called the muscle in between the chambers, which is where all the electrical conductivity occurs. So it can be quite a devastating heart attack, both mechanically and electrically, for somebody having a heart attack like that. So did they go in and put a stent in, or Do balloon angioplasty or give you blood thinners, or what, what actually happened?

Uh, they did angioplasty with a stent.

Angioplasty and a stent. Okay. And you got to the hospital fairly quickly, so I'm thinking that you probably recovered quite well, that you have minimal damage to the heart, residual damage to the heart.

I probably got to the hospital within an hour or 2.

Yeah, so that's kind of 90 minutes is kind of the sweet spot to getting it open. So do you know what your heart function is today? Is it normal? Is the anterior wall hypokinetic, or is it contracting normally,

or I mean, at the time of the heart attack, the day after the heart attack, they did an echo and they, they found that my ejection fraction had dropped to about 30 to 35%, and it was severely, severely akinetic, right? Um, as you would expect. And then 3 months after— I've only had one echocardiogram since then, and that was 3, 3 to 4 months afterwards— and my ejection fraction was up to 50, it was up to 55%.

That's also common. Yeah.

Yeah. And it was also, it was only mildly hypokinetic. Right.

So that's, that's a good outcome. Yeah, so that is a good outcome. So again, that's where, quote unquote, you know, traditional/modern medicine shines, is being able to treat emergencies like that. And it's very common for the heart to be stunned after not receiving blood flow, so it won't contract. But over 3 months, really over 6 weeks, it can regain a lot of that function.

They attribute it to the medications they prescribed, but I didn't take

those.

I only took a blood thinner for 6 months. I didn't Yeah,

because the beta blocker has been shown to kind of rest the heart a little bit in a way that allows even fuller recovery. So they probably recommended something like Coreg to you, and then a statin— not a statin, but an angiotensin receptor blocker. Yeah, receptor blocker, an ACE inhibitor, also kind of unloads the heart. The idea after a heart attack like that is to decrease the workload of the heart to give it even more room to recover. Right,

right. But I didn't take those things. I, I didn't take any of them.

And what was the thought process behind not taking them?

Because side effects, especially the statin. There's no evidence, especially secondary prevention, that it does anything.

Yeah, the statin is a different story altogether, but they probably recommended something other than a statin.

So, right, they're like the ACE inhibitor, beta blocker, baby aspirin, blood thinner, and statin. And I took the blood thinner for 6 months because it was a stent in there.

And was there a reason not to take the beta blocker and then the ACE inhibitor?

Well, because my blood pressure was fine. I know they're not treating blood pressure in that instance, but I took the ACE inhibitor— or actually, I don't remember which, which, uh, yeah, it was ACE inhibitor— for one night. I took it one night and I woke up in the middle of the night, my blood pressure was 90 over 50. And I got up, not fast because I had wires hooked to me, and I got up to get up out of the bed to turn the thermostat down. I almost passed out. They wanted me on 2, so I was like, this is not safe. So I decided not to do that, and I knew that there was other ways I could take pressure off my heart. Sure, they probably weren't aware of, so that's what I did. I did those things rather than that concoction of—

What did you do to take pressure off your heart?

The main thing was infrared sauna. Infrared light has been shown to be incredible for people with heart failure, but also preventing heart failure, which is what they're trying to do by taking pressure off the heart. So first I started using the sauna in my friend's basement, then I bought my own, and I started using that pretty much every day.

So that's an interesting thing because when I was training, we were told to keep people out of a sauna. And then the Japanese did studies demonstrating that sauna use in people with both peripheral arterial disease and claudication, which is pain in the legs when you walk, and also angina and also congestive heart failure, actually all did better if they got sauna therapy. So that was a, a switch in the, in the dogma. But yeah, good for you for figuring that out. And were there other therapies that you did as well, or?

Well, I like to point out to people that the things that stayed the same for me were a low-carb, animal-based diet, what they would call high cholesterol and LDL levels, and my stress stayed about the same, maybe even got worse after the heart attack. But what I changed was, yes, doing more infrared sauna, more sunlight, because I thought, thinking like, well, if infrared light's good, where's the original source of infrared light? I was like, it's the sun. So I got more sunlight and doing more grounding while my feet— while I was out getting the sun, my feet were on the earth. And then I set my circadian rhythm. Align my body to the day-night cycle of the sun. And I took a few supplements for a year. I took gua bean or Strophanthus, which is another way to take some pressure off the heart, give my heart some parasympathetic signaling. And I took magnesium threonate, which in hindsight I would have taken torinate, but I took threonate. I took serrapeptase, which is an enzyme that can break down fibrotic tissue. And I took a combination of, or a powder that had a combination of L-arginine, citrulline, and taurine in it. has been shown to be great for lining of the blood vessels and nitric oxide and stuff like that. So I took those for about a year, even though my healing took about 2 years. So yeah, those are the things that I changed. I have no idea if those things resulted in the, in the healing result that I got, or if they were just would have happened normally. I don't know. But these are things that changed. These are things that didn't change. And that's the experiment, the one-person experiment that I did.

Yeah. Well, one of the things I think you mentioned that your diet was more animal protein based. And I don't know how many plants were in that. Was it sort of like a plant-based with animal protein, animal protein with a few plants, or what did that look like?

It was, it was probably 90% animal foods. There's probably some plants in there, but it was primarily animal foods and low carb because it's easier to control type 1 being low carb, right?

For sure. Yeah. So one of the things that the citrulline did for you, even more than the L-arginine and the taurine, was it kind of teed you up to make more nitric oxide. And nitric oxide, of course, is healing. For the arteries, and it also prevents other issues. So there's more to it now than that. We understand with the glycocalyx and having a healthy glycocalyx— so there's some supplements now that, that you could take that would ensure that your glycocalyx stays intact. And that's actually the holy grail of arterial health, because when you have a healthy glycocalyx, which is like this fuzz that lines the inside of the artery, then it's repelling things from going into the artery, setting up plaque. It also stops clots from forming, and it also Signals the artery to make nitric oxide, and it's destroyed by, by sugar, excess salt, and it's a little more vulnerable with higher fat diets. So if you're eating animal protein, depends a little bit on the fat content. But yeah, so those are things that are, that are interesting. Do you take any kind of a blood thinner still, or not really?

No. And, and I would say that, that the main thing I did to protect the glycocalyx was, was build structured water on my arteries with InfoBoost. red light. That's, that's the main thing because structured water is, well, glycocalyx is the, is the surface area for structured water to form and structured water is a negatively charged thing. So, which is why the glycocalyx is negatively charged is because of structured water. And then all the elements of blood, the lipoproteins, the red blood cells also have structured water on them. As long as we have enough energy to the system to build structured water, they're negatively charged as well. So nothing really touches it because like charges repel each other. So we're creating this nice. you know, anti-inflammatory, negatively charged— That's right. Situation in your bloodstream so that blood is flowing past the lining, the artery is protected, things aren't coagulating and clotting.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's very cool. So let's talk about structured water. If you can just kind of walk us through that a little bit.

Yeah, so I mean, we all learned that, that water exists in— as ice, as liquid water, and as steam. But there's actually kind of this 4th phase of water, they call it, this different state, this 4th state of water, and it's more like a gel. So it's kind of like the Mm-hmm. And most of the water in the body is in this gel-like state. And there's many, many scientists that have come across this observation that water exists in this gel-like state in the body, which is why, you know, I feel like a gel, right? I feel like Jell-O. Most of the water in my cells is in this gel-like state. But there's liquid water in the body too. There's water in the blood, lymphatic fluid, cerebral spinal fluid has water. But anytime water holds enough energy, which is the purpose of water, and gets next to a hydrophilic surface or water-loving surface, which any biological surface is water-loving, it will become this gel-like form of water or layer over it will form. And so they've actually shown that this happens in the lining of arteries in Dr. Pollack's lab at the University of Washington. But if you go in and type in like in PubMed, like cell-free layer, there's tons of articles of research groups that have come up that have found this cell-free layer, this, this layer next to the artery lining where red blood cells can't penetrate it, this cell-free layer. And so because that's The role of structured water is like the glycocalyx is the role for structure or is the surface area for structured water to form on. It becomes negatively charged and it protects it because another nickname for structured water is exclusion zone water because it excludes anything that's not it. The only thing that can penetrate it is very small hydrogen hydrated ions of minerals, anything potassium or smaller. So if we have intact structured water on the lining of the artery, it's protected. So yeah, it also creates this frictionless surface. So if you ever taken ice out of the refrigerator or out of the freezer, it sticks to your hand at first because it's not structured water there. But as soon as the ice starts to melt in your fingers, your thumb is a hydrophilic surface and the, and the ice is a hydrophilic surface. So that water instantly becomes structured water and it slips right outta your hand. Mm-hmm. Because structured water is this frictionless surface. So that keeps blood moving, you know, frictionlessly through the, the bloodstream, which is really huge for preventing clotting. But then also, like I mentioned before, the structured water forms around the elements of blood, lipoproteins, Red blood cells have all been shown to have a negative charge, or they should have a negative charge if we're in the right environments to create it. So if everything's negatively charged, nothing is sticking together because like charges repel each other. And so everything's kind of like electrostatically attracted to each other because of the hydrogen ions in the fluid of the blood. But if they get too close, they repel each other. And so they're just kind of moving through the blood, kind of like train cars hooked together. And so it's really important to maintain this structured water. And so people talk about inflammation, oxidative stress, all these things. What that really means is that we have low body charge. We have low electrons to the body, and the body holds and stores energy in the form of electrons in structured water. That's if you get in environments that build structured water or that give your body energy, it will build structured water. And this makes sense because the— all energy for life on this planet comes from the sun, and we have mechanisms by which we can turn that photonic energy into electrons in our body, and then we use those electrons. Or when we get electrons to the system, the body has no choice but to store them as structured water. So that's what gives the structured water its electronegative charge is because it's stored up with electrons. And this makes sense because the sun is the ultimate source of infrared light, which infrared light is the most structuring to water. All wavelengths of the sun will do it, UV through infrared, but infrared, far infrared is especially the best at doing it. And anytime the sun is up, it's about 40 to 50% red and infrared light. So humans are supposed to be outside getting infrared light all day long. Even if we're in the shade, it's still bouncing all around us and we're getting infrared light. And so I'd say the initial problem, not the only problem, but the initial problem with hard heart disease and how our blood vessels are getting attacked is because we're lacking the structured water. Because the surveys show that about in the Western world, people are spending about 93% of their time either indoors or in an enclosed vehicle void of infrared light. And so we're not bringing this energy into the system, which we're not protecting the arteries and preventing this clotting-type response that happens.

You know what would be a great idea is if we just started emitting infrared light out of our screens, right?

Yeah. Or, or I mean, we used to like infrared. I mean, not the screens, but like incandescent bulbs. That's what they used to be.

Yeah. Yeah. There was infrared light out of incandescent bulbs. That's right. But because everybody's staring at a screen all day, if we had it coming straight at us out of the screen, that would actually be a health benefit. I think there's an idea there. You know, you talked about structured water extracellularly. It also, it also works intracellularly, right? So there's, there's structured water inside the cell that also, to your point, stores energy and has been shown to actually help with things like protein folding and moving things around the cell and, you know, things like this. So it's, when you hear Dr. Hussey talking about this, you should understand that this is really kind of a ubiquitous phenomenon throughout the body. It's not just for cardiovascular health. It's, it's kind of lubricating and energizing and protecting, if you will, you know, many, many, many, many systems in the body.

Yeah. I mean, the whole purpose of, I think, life on this planet is to harvest energy from its environment in various ways and use that energy to create order. We call that order health.

We call that, we call that life. Yeah. Right. When you take energy and organize it into structure and function, that's, that's called life.

Exactly. And when you don't have enough energy, we tend toward disorder. That's the second law of thermodynamics. So we need to harvest the energy and create order. And so that comes from the sun, direct sunlight exposure. It also comes from how the sun concentrates energy into the earth. And then we conduct, we can contact the earth and conduct energy from there, but it's also what metabolism is. We're breaking down the chemical bonds in food to harvest the electrons from it, to use them to create energy in the form of ATP, which unfolds proteins in the cells and creates surface area for structured water to form. That's the purpose of ATP. So yeah, that's, that's how it works. That's how, that's how this planet universe works.

Yeah, no, it's very cool. I love it. So what is your daily routine with regards to structured water? Because there are people out there that sell structured water, there are people that are structuring their own water and drinking it, and there are people that are going about it more the way that you're going about it. Okay, kind of walk us through the structured water story from how people most effectively, and I understand it's being out in the sun, but how people most effectively, and let's say they're not able to be in the sun, are there ways that they can optimize their structured water content, if you will?

Yeah, so I mean, obviously it's not realistic for most people to be outside all day long, but we can make changes in our internal environment that can increase our infrared light exposure. Or increase our contact with the energy from the earth. So one I already mentioned is incandescent bulbs. Like I have incandescent bulbs here. So you turn those on and I'm getting some infrared. We can also use infrared saunas. We can use red or infrared light panels. These are all ways that we can boost our red and infrared light. I do think that you can overdo it though, because it's still a processed form of light. The, the only natural form of light we should have is the sun, which is balanced by all the colors and wavelengths at all the time. The only reason that these things are seen as therapeutic is because we're so deficient in We're so deficient in red and infrared light. So, we see the infrared sauna and the red light therapy as therapeutic because it has all these good benefits. So, yeah, but those are ways that you can help, especially in the winter when we're just not outside as much. You can use that to boost. So, I've just started getting into my sauna every day again because it's starting to get cooler and I'm not getting as much sunlight as I usually would. But usually, I'll get up and do the sauna and then I'll stand in front of a red light panel after that. I'll take a shower and then stand in front of the red light panel on a vibration plate. And kind of get lymph moving and try and use a lymphatic brush and stuff while I do that. And then I have the incandescent sun here and then I'll go outside. I mean, I'm known to go out even if it's like 28 degrees, I'll go and sit out in the sun and still get quite warm as long as it's not windy. If it's windy, that's, that's a little much. It's too cold.

Where do you live?

I live in North Carolina.

North Carolina. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So you get 4 seasons there.

Yeah, definitely. I mean, it gets cold. Especially—

what elevation are you at?

Right now I'm at lower elevation. I don't know what elevation I'm at right now, but it's, it's not, it's not mountainous. I'm from the mountains of North Carolina though. So I see. Okay. That's home for me. But yeah, so, so yeah, I try and get out there and then, but also remember we create infrared light, you know, we give off our mitochondria, give off heat in the form of infrared light. That's why we have body heat. And so especially in the winter, mitochondria uncouple a little bit to give us more heat. And so that's why I would say getting used to cold, cold exposure, it doesn't have to be a full ice bath or whatever, but just like Spending time outdoors in the winter and getting used to being cold is going to help you probably produce more infrared light. There's a reason we have seasons and we're supposed to adapt to them, right? So yeah, and then being grounded is another thing. So I mean, again, outside on the earth is always best, but even on like a, I'd say 4 inches thick or less concrete patio, as long as that is on directly on the earth, you can conduct from that. But leaves, grass, gravel, sand, dirt, all that is very conductive. Mulch. Not so conductive. This is dead wood, not going to do that. Asphalt, not conductive because there's rubber in it. But yeah, you could be in contact with the earth. But then also there's indoor grounding devices. As long as you control for dirty electricity, you can plug those into the grounding prong in your home and you can stand on them or sleep on the grounding sheet and be conductive while we're sleeping.

Mm-hmm.

So yeah, there's things you can do to help increase your grounding and light exposure. Even though we can't live outside 24 hours a day, you know.

Yeah, well, there are upsides and downsides to everything, but yeah, no, it's a, it's a nice way to think about it. It's kind of a unified field theory for the way you're discussing it, right? So very cool. So in your practice, I assume you're, I assume you're practicing. I see a diploma on the wall and whatever else. I assume you're in an office where you're practicing. You must be incorporating this kind, these concepts of structured water With your clients? And what do you think about people that are drinking structured water and things like that? Do you think that has value for them, or do you feel like the way you've described is really the, the gold standard?

Well, first of all, I don't, I don't practice in a clinic anymore. Um, I, I run an online heart health consulting program, so I just educate people on these things and, okay, make their own decisions, you know, um, about what they want to do. I give them information. But yeah, so you can't really drink structured water because If you're if you're trying to drink it, structured water. If it was actually structured, it'd be like trying to drink Jello, right? So you can drink energized water though, or water that is I'd say toxin-free, mineral-rich, and energized in some way. It's got to hold the energy so that when it gets into your body, it will become the structured water when it gets next to the hydrophilic surface, right? So unless it's next to a hydrophilic surface, it's not going to become structured water. But yes, we can drink higher quality water that will become structured, which is exactly what nature is doing to water. Nature water in nature should be toxin-free, like mountain streams are probably the closest to. toxin-free we can get, or spring water. It's mineral-rich, very high in mineral content, and it's moving. It's being swished around. It's being energized, right? One of the ways that we can energize water through sunlight exposure, through direct contact with the earth, or through vortexing it, swishing it around, which Dr. Pollack found in his lab. It has to be swishing it around in the presence of oxygen. So, to me, there's no coincidence that the oxygen is in the blood exposing the water in the blood to oxygen and the heart is The purpose of the heart, one of them is to swish the water around and vortex it, like, just like nature does to water. Water is always moving in nature. When it gets stagnant, it gets gross, like in a pond, you know? Right. We want this water to be moving.

So I'm thinking, yeah, that's, that's some really nice points you're making. I, I'm thinking that a lot of people have, you know, water dispensers in their home where they're deionizing water and things like that, and then adding some minerals back or whatever else. It sounds like you could take that and put it in a blender and reenergize it. Uh, before you drank it, right? You had some electrolytes, spin it up.

Yeah, you want to, you want to detoxify it. Like tap water, you got to get the toxins out of that, but that's gonna, that's gonna create reverse osmosis water, which I wouldn't want to drink long-term. So you want to add minerals back to it, you know, some sort of mineral solution. And then you can, yeah, put it in the sun. You can put it in a blender, like you said. There's, then you can just stir it with a spoon, you know, just kind of, or just on the counter, like just kind of stir the glass around, like try and create some vortex to it. Yeah, you want to energize it in some way. Because water moving through laminar tubes, including our arteries and veins or pipes in a wall, are, it's creating stagnant dead water. We want energized water, which is why we have a heart, a contracting vortexing heart in the middle of that. That's what it's, one of its roles in the body. So, which makes sense. Again, when we took water out of the ocean, which the blood is the salinity of water or the ocean water, it's supposed to, that's what it's supposed to be. We had to have some way to move it around because it wasn't in nature anymore. Getting moved around. And so that's what the purpose of the heart is.

Well, cool. So how do people get ahold of you if they'd like to chat further about their own situation?

So my website is resourceyourhealth.com.

resourceyourhealth.com. Okay.

Yeah. So my, um, you know, links to contact me are on there. More about my, my consulting program. My blog is on there, which I infrequently, you know, post on, but yeah, various information. My books are on there. And then I'm also on social media. Just Dr. Stephen Hussey, Dr. Stephen Hussey. I'm posting stuff on there all the time. People can reach out there and see what I'm posting too. So yeah.

Great. Well, fascinating journey. I love the way you put the pieces together here. And, you know, as is usual for many of us, it's the challenges we face that actually led us to expand our understanding of what's going on, right? And so that's always a good thing.

I would say it's a bad thing that happened to me that led to some of the best things that ever happened to me. So

Exactly. Everything's a gift in the end. Well, great, great chatting with you, Stephen. Thanks for, thanks for being on the podcast.

Yeah, thanks for having me on.

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