From Rocket Science to Energy Therapy - Episode 316

Yeah, the anti aging system has four peptides in it. One of them's the copper one and stuff. Right. So yeah, it should. So yeah. That's some exciting stuff with that. Right. Is, you know, it's. You said most people don't feel it. We have enough data. I know it's less than 1% of the people that actually feel the energy, they see the result and 95% of those people and they freak out. When I ask them if they're energy sensitive, I say, do you see auras around other people? And they all go, how do you know that? Because I just know.

Interesting. Yeah.

That if you see aura you can be energy sensitive. Vice versa. Right. The heart rate variability increases, the heart rate comes down and they're self reporting less anxiety and they feel stressed and you're figured, I could never remember which ones which, where they stack. So I came up with this saying so I can remember it. Do the atheists believe in God? So D Delta.

Okay.

Atheist alpha beta, believe God, gamma. So that's how I'm measuring, trying to remember them from the bottom to the top. But yeah, that's that we're reporting. And in the simplest sense, it's a. It's a hug for your nervous system is what it does.

Yeah.

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Welcome everybody, to the Glidden Longevity Podcast, where we're age hackers over here doing amazing work. And as you know, we're basically married to the questions of how good can you be? How do you make 100 the new 30? How do you live well beyond 120? How do you live young for a lifetime? And how do we develop a 300-year-old mind? And today we're going to be talking with a rocket scientist. We haven't done that previously on the show. His name is Mark Fox and we're going to talk a little bit about his rocket science journey. We're going to talk about the Challenger that had the unfortunate explosion in 1986 as he was working on that flight, if you will, certainly on that equipment. And then we're going to get into some really interesting things about PEMF that he's developed. Really, really interesting things. And he's done a lot of research here, and I think you're going to really. I got some new insights about pemf. Also ways to increase heart rate variability with a device that he's developed for vagal tone stimulation, anxiety, depression, all kinds of things are going to come up with accelerated healing, etc. So this is a really interesting conversation. I think you're really going to like it. Welcome, everyone, to the Gladden Longevity Podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Jeffrey Gladden, and I'm here with Mark Fox, NASA rocket scientist. We don't get to say that very often. So, Mark, welcome to the.

Oh, thank you. Thank you for having me.

Yeah, absolutely. So let's start with rocket scientist. And you did some research at NASA, etcetera, and you'll tell us about some of that. But I'm curious how you got to NASA and rocket science. Is this like a childhood dream of yours or how did you get down that path?

Yeah, so I, and I worked for Morton Thy Call, made the solid rocket boosters on the side of the shuttle. So I live here in Cocoa Beach. I'm actually in the house I grew up, up in, which I never planned on doing that, but my undergraduate was chemical engineering and my best friend was a nuclear physicist. And we both graduated and we're hanging drywall for $3.50 an hour because nobody hiring anybody. So somebody goes, hey, did you, you know, have you heard of this company, Morton Thy Call? They just won the shuttle processing contract. I'm like, no. And so they go, give us your resume. So I gave it to a guy, he took it in there and then ended up getting an interview the same day and ended up, well, just, you know, I didn't want to do rockets. My dad was in rockets. I didn't want to do that, but it was like, hey, paid $12.14 an hour instead of 3.50 an hour. So I'm like, I'll try this for a while until I find something else. And then I was there for, like, I said, 16, 17 years.

Okay, so I'm sure your salary didn't change, you know, but, yeah, so you've been doing that for a while. I remember the days when my first job, I got paid $1.80. I think it was a dollar. Was it a dollar eighty or a dollar sixty five? Maybe a dollar sixty five. I was working at a nursery, basically planting trees and weeding and doing all that stuff at age 15. And I thought, Gosh, if I could make $2 an hour, that wouldn't that be amazing? So. Right. But of course, the dollars was worth a lot more than. Anyway, but all relative. So. So anyway, so you got in there and you. You had this chemical engineering degree, and so what did you end up. What did you end up doing with that company? What were you working?

Yeah, I was the chief engineer on the solid rocket booster. So the two white things on the side of the space shuttle. So, yeah, I worked here at the Cape. And then after Challenger happened in 1986, I ended up moving to Utah to work on the redesign for two and a half years of no sleep. Yeah, that was actually. Other stories. A friend of mine, a lady, she's like, hey, we bought a house near you. I'm like, where at? She goes, well, you go to the end of your street, you turn left, go three blocks, turn right with a second house on the right. And I'm like, I live on a dead end. She goes, what? I go, I live on a dead end. She goes, no, you don't, you idiot. Like, yes, I do. I hadn't seen my house in the daylight for, like, a year. Oh, well, I went home early that day, and sure enough, there was a whole subdivision built around my house that I didn't.

Oh, my gosh. Well, that's amazing. That's hard work right there. So what did happen to the challenger in 1986? What actually went wrong?

Short answer is the O rings did fail, but the external tank was leaking hydrogen oxygen on it.

Okay.

So the external tank always cracked and had problems, but. And you probably, you know, you heard about my company, and we spent $500 million redesigning everything. The external tank that leaked, Martin Marietta spent a billion dollars. You never heard a word about that. And then Rocketdyne, that made the main engines on the orbiter, which was the biggest potential problem with not the O rings, was the turbine blades. They spent 2 billion redesign it. You never heard of Rocketdyne, Right. So those guys managed to stay out of the news. It's kind of interesting because we're on a conference call, Ronald Reagan's on the call, and people are pointing fingers. And Ronald Reagan goes, everybody shut the blank up. Fix it. It's the most technical advancement in the world. Fix it. And he hung up the phone, and everyone's like, what does that mean? I mean, do we have another contract or extended. Right. And there was no rules. The president just said, go fix it. So it was a weird. We hired 2, 000 engineers in six months.

Wow.

Crazy.

That's. Yeah. I mean, I remember when it happened, I was actually doing my cardiology fellowship in Denver and, you know, walked into the ICU, and of course they have TVs in there and. And there it was. And it was like. Oh, my gosh. It was in February, as I recall.

January 28th, 1980.

Yeah. Okay.

I was at the launch pad, so.

Okay. Well, my. Yeah, my condolences on that. It was super sad to watch that. So that did not dissuade you from carrying on. So you worked really diligently to redesign it. And then tell us how you got from there to where you are today. Or maybe you're still there. I don't know. Walk us through what happened after that.

You know, this sounds kind of weird, but I got offered a big promotion and I knew if I took it, that would be my career for the rest of my life. Just as I want to do something else, I think. I mean, I loved working on the program, but as you know, NASA and the government does not move very fast.

No.

And to make changes or make improvements and stuff was just really, really slow. So I. I just decided to change careers. I went into what I thought was going to be different, which was building aircraft parts for Parker Hannifin. And it pretty much like working for the government still. And then I got, if you're old enough to remember, a zip drive, I Omega. So I got a job as. I mean, the company was growing so fast because if you have a product that everyone in the world needs and nobody has it but you, you can have monkeys running the company and you're still going to grow and make money. And they literally grew that fast.

And.

And so I got put in charge of call center, which I didn't know what that was, and the Internet, which was 1998, of trying to learn whatever that was. So I ended up doing that and then went and just did creative thinking lectures. Right. I was doing keynote presentations and stuff. So I never meant to ever get into this energy therapy stuff. My dog was sick. She couldn't come up the stairs, and she had arthritis in her spine. So a veterinarian, she was a 3/4 black lab, quarter German shepherd.

Okay. Oh, there she is. Okay. Got a picture of her.

Yeah.

So they're prone to. They're prone to hip problems, I think, and they can also develop spinal stenosis and things like that. So we had a. We had a chocolate lab that developed spinal stenosis. So.

Yeah. So what happened was I've got a veterinarian who was a friend of mine. His name is Dr. Oz Jackson. He was really is a very forward thinking guy. He's like, hey, there's this magic energy machine that can reverse arthritis. I'm like, that's not true. But it's my dog, so I'm going to look into it. And that was 26, seven years ago. And that's how I kind of got involved in it, is just kind of dabbling with it. What really motivated me was I saw what this technology could do for ptsd and it was criminal to me that with all the suicides that we have, that people didn't have access to an affordable device like that. They're expensive machines and at the time they were scattered across the United States in only a few places.

So just so the audience knows what we're talking about, what kind of machine are we talking about?

It's a pulse electromagnetic field. So this is the one I used. The other one was microcurrent. So it's kind of like a TENS unit that you put pads on yourself, but.

What you use for your dog, it's a microcurrent or was it the current?

So the PMF version of it is kind of interesting. It didn't really exist much then. It actually got invented as a spin off from the wires for burn patients because you couldn't put pads on, right. A wound, burn wound. So he ended up making an adapter that put out a magnetic field. So in energy, I like to tell people energy therapy can be pemf, electrical current, light, sound or vibration. It can be any of those five modalities to transfer energy to the body. PMF is just the most convenient one because you can put it in your pocket and there's no wires on you and it's therapy on the go.

Right.

You can just go about your day, drive your car, go work out, whatever.

Okay, cool. So you were involved with it from an engineering perspective or from. Just tell us a little bit about that.

I just saw that it was again, expensive machines and I naively went, hey, this ought to be easy to make a little pocket thing and put a coil on there with a battery and.

Yeah.

And in the end it actually ends up. It's actually a, a music player without a speaker because actually all the files are MP3 files that I built on a music synthesizer. Now I can't play any musical instruments, which annoys me that I can't. But.

You can play the drum, you can play the drums. Play the tambourine.

Okay. I can't play anything, so. But I haven't tried real hard either. But anyway, so yeah, it's a rotom on Music synthesizers, MP3 files, and that's essentially what it is. It. And I made it look like an old ipod on purpose so that people would have familiarity with it. And the. Actually, the colors on it on the frequency is the same colors on a Star Trek tricorder. So I copied that.

What are the. What are the colors? On a try, I think I had a black and white tv. What are the other.

Back when Star Trek came out with colors, it's going to be kind of like pink and white, green and blue.

Oh, I see. Okay, got it. So it's basically. It's a. It's a handheld PEMF device. And then tell us about how people actually apply it. So it's not a mat, is that right? It's in the device itself.

Yeah, it's. It's a pocket one. So you put it in your pocket or you wear a lanyard around your neck just like a badge. The misconception in this world is that to get full body coverage, you need to lay on a full body mat. You don't. It's resonating. We believe it's resonating with the water in your body. That's kind of like a pebble in the pond, right? The energy is focused, but it goes to the entire body through. And we believe that because if you're not hydrated, it doesn't work as well. It still works. And alternating magnetic field is going to put out a very small electrical current. And your body is electrically conductive, just like so it travels through your skin and organs that way. And you won't hear anyone else say this, but this is. Mark's theory, is magnetite, which is what's in sea turtles and birds that we believe they use for migration. It was discovered about 20 years ago that humans have magnetite in their cells as well. So you had magnetite. It's a magnet. It can help transfer the energy from magnet to magnet. So that's how we think you get full body coverage. But you can't actually prove that. But we know somebody has a broken foot and they put it around their neck, it still heals the broken foot. So the energy is getting there somehow. And that's how we believe it gets there those three ways.

Interesting. And you're also using it for ptsd.

Yeah, PTSD is. I believe I keep saying this till somebody corrects me. I believe we have the largest PMF PTSD study in the world with a 98% success rate and that's using the Veterans Administration PLC 5. It's 20 questions. Yeah. That the top protocol is going to be the PTSD. Anxiety, back pain, neck pain, sleep, type 2 diabetes, blood sugar, all those. There's like 60 different protocols. There is 60 different protocols on there, but those are some of the more popular ones. And then of course, General inflammation is 1 and 80% of all ailments. Yeah, inflammation of something, right?

That's right. Yeah, that's right. That's interesting. So, so you built this and how do. What's it called? It's called Vibe.

Yeah. So it's the first device that we built was Vibe V B I B E. We have another one called Vega Vibe with. For vagus nerve stimulation that you wear. Oh, nice appendant. And it just puts out brainwave alpha and theta sweep that's in the vagus nerve. And we've done clinical trials on this as well with huge success.

So let's talk about that. So if you, if you're stimulating the vagus nerve with it, are you improving things like heart rate variability?

Improving heart rate, that's the number one thing we're measuring is does the heart rate variability increase? It goes up in our clinical trial 50% in one one hour session. We're doing longer term ones now. Me personally, this is our new watch that came out last Friday. My heart rate variability was. I'm 64 years old, is around 30 milliseconds. It's about 105 now from using the Vague nerve stimulator. So.

Okay, so that just came out last week. So. So is that a function of the wristband that you're wearing or is it a function of the, the Vibe parasympathetic nervous stimulator pendant that you had?

So yeah, the. This one is a vagus nerve stimulator that you just wear like a necklace.

Is that how you got to, is that how you got to 105 or was it through the wrists? Through that. Okay. Through the pendant. Okay. And so the protocol runs for an hour at a time. Is that what it is? An hour, a day or. Yeah.

Okay, well here's what we tell people on all the protocols. We tell them three to four times a week minimum for 30 days. If you don't see your result by then, either it's not going to work for you or you misdiagnose yourself and you're running the wrong protocols. But what happens is most people that come this Technology are long term, physically and mentally broken. Right. So when they find something that works, they don't care what Mark tells them. They're going to run it 10 times a day if they want.

Sure.

I have people do it. So they don't want to go experiment on themselves and say hey, if I cut back to twice a week, does it still work? They're just happy it's working and it's so convenient. They just, we have people over and over and over. I tell them they don't need to use it that much but they do anyway. So sure.

Okay. Interesting. That's interesting. And so the vagus nerve is, is alpha and beta did you say? Or was it alpha and theta? Theta. Okay, beautiful. Okay. That's what I would guess because I wouldn't think people would need beta. But yeah, theta is, it's just above delta. It's really a deep, it's a deep meditative state. It's also a hypnagogic state. It's referred to as. And young children run around in theta all the time, which is interesting. But that theta is really, really a special frequency. And if you can bring yourself into more theta, more theta states either through meditation, through a device like that, through using other things like brain tap or binaural beats or photobiomodulation, there's different ways to get the theta. But it does have a significant impact on the vagus nerve and it's very calming. And what's interesting is that I, I think one of the things that's, that's nice with this is your people as they're re sort of programming the vagus nerve through theta and some alpha which is the frequency just above theta, they probably report that they're mentally calmer and that even when the program is finished that they're able to traverse the day more from a state of calmness than from a state of stress or anxiety. That's, that's kind of what we see with the stuff that we do in that area. So I'm curious or I'm kind of hypothesizing that's the case or that you're hearing that. Is that, is that, am I on target there or.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. The heart rate variability increases, the heart rate comes down and they're self reporting less anxiety and they feel less stressed. And you're figuring I could never remember which ones which, where they stack. So I came up with this saying so I can remember it. Do the atheists believe in God? So D Delta, okay, atheist, alpha, beta, believe God, gamma So that's how I'm measuring, trying to remember them from the bottom to the top.

Okay.

Yeah. That's the reporting. And in the simplest sense it's a, it's a hug for your nervous system is what it does.

Yeah. And is there. I'm curious about this. Do you, you know what would be interesting is if you had one for gamma. Gamma is a higher frequency, around maybe 40 hertz. And the thing about that is whereas theta would be down around maybe 6 hertz, 5, 6, 7 hertz. Alpha would be around 8, 9, 10 hertz hertz somewhere in there. And, and gamma's up around 40. But gamma is a flow state. And what we found there was a, we had a device that did transcranial electro stimulation and it was a set of headphones that sat on your head and you would wet your skin and then it would put this electrical current into the homunculus. Right. Which is basically the motor cortex. Basically is of the brain is right under. Or a headband of a set of headphones would be. So you, you stimulate that and it was opening up neuroplasticity in that area. But it would also enable you to kind of go into a flow state. So you would put it on to prime yourself like before you got on your mountain bike or before you were going to engage in something. And you would, you would go into a flow state just that much quicker. Right. You wouldn't have to sort of warm up and then find a flow state as you're riding, let's say. I'm curious if you made one that, that was for gamma. If you could put people into flow states. Because in flow states people can get a lot of work done. They can accomplish a lot. They can, you know, throw a baseball batter, they can ride their bike better, whatever they want to do, ski better, snowboard better, whatever it is they're into. Play tennis or ping pong or pickleball. So it would be really interesting if you explored coming out with a gamma device for flow. That might be.

So we have. So a couple things. A couple things. So the vibe has all five brainwaves on there, has delta, theta, alpha, B, gamma.

Okay, okay, okay.

40 hertz on there. Interesting on. Because that has 60 protocols. This one just has one. The good news, bad news is we ran gamma. So there's another. One of our competitors ran one of the largest studies on gamma that showed it worked as far as self reporting anxiety and calm. But they didn't do heart rate variability or biomarkers. So when we tested this, we did gamma, we did alpha. We did all of them. And they all worked. But theta alpha sweep seemed to increase heart rate variability the most.

Absolutely. And there's no doubt. Yeah. Those lower frequencies are going to basically activate the parasympathetic nervous system to a greater extent. It's just, I'm looking at it through a performance lens. If you have people that want to perform better as well as have low heart rate variability, they could do the gamma to perform better and they could come back and do the, you know, the fate of alpha sweep.

Interestingly, because these just showed up an hour ago. Okay.

Okay.

It's going to put out 40 Hz gamma light and PEMF at the same time.

Okay.

And it's going to go on the inside of your wrist for this meridian or this little neck holder.

Yeah.

So it kind of pops in there. And the other meridian, that's on the back of your neck, targeting cognitive function. You're going to just go like that. Put it on.

Nice.

So we're getting ready to run a study on this. I can find the money for it and that's the problem. But I've got to run a study before we make this commercially available. But I'm on the coattails MIT study at 40 Hz gamma that reversed plaque in the brain. All that from 10, 12 years ago. And it's a dual device where it's blue light and did quite a bit of research on that Red light versus blue light. This is where chat GPT comes in. It's like blue will work better for this reason. Here's the part numbers for these lights. Right. I mean, it's amazing.

That's amazing, right? Yeah, it's super interesting. Well, that's super fun. I love that. I love that. So I love the fact that you're actually doing the research to kind of demonstrate what it is you're you're attempting to accomplish. Yeah, that's really wonderful. So this is V I B E. And where do people find that v I b e.com or no resona.

Hell. So R E S O N A. It's short for resonance. So resona.health not.com then go online. There we have all the products we've got. Last Friday was a big deal.

Okay.

Got the watch, got this. We have a quad peptide. I can't say anti wrinkle. I got to say anti aging or it becomes a drug. Okay. An anti wrinkle system where you can infuse the frequencies into the cream and anecdotally it'll hold it for about 30 days. You can also put it in water, and the water will hold it for about five or six hours. Again, antidotally because you can't measure the energy in the water cream.

Right. So.

But we know if we put back pain on the cream after about 30 days, it doesn't work as well. So you got to recharge it since it's so easy. We tell people just to recharge it every week. I'm going to tell women that they need to charge that once a week. They'll probably charge it five times a day. You're not going to listen to me. So I just work it.

They want it to be super powerful.

Right, right, right, exactly.

Yeah, I get it. Okay, well, very cool. I was going to ask you what's next, but it sounds like you're right in the middle of launching your.

Here's. Here's my dream.

Okay, what's your dream?

Put myself out of business and I'll explain why. Two things. And if anyone from Phillips would ever call me back, we'd have it. But I want to be able to say with these smart bulbs in your home, because you can deliver this energy, sound, vibration, light is be able to say, hey, Alexa, run depression in the living room. And it just goes through the lights. I can already do that now. But the problem is, when you turn a light switch on, it doesn't just. The light bulb doesn't just come on because it ramps up slowly so it doesn't shock your eyes. But I need to be able to turn it on and off a thousand times a second. Right. If I'm going to do 1000 Hz, I can't get around the bridge from Philips's bridge over there because I don't know how it works to be able to bypass it. So ideally, I'd love to take all the lights that are out there that are smart bulbs and turn them into therapy devices. The other one. And I put a $25,000 contest out there, and nobody's done it yet. The cheat coil that's on your phone that you charge your battery with, hack the OS on the phone so I can shove the MP3 out the cheat coil. Then I just turned every phone into a vibe with an app.

Interesting.

And everyone tells me, you can't do that. It's not designed that way. I go, I know it's not designed that way. It's kind of like, right.

It's like, it doesn't mean it can't be done right.

Yeah. Just like Gene Cran said on Apollo 13, I don't care what was designed to do. I wonder what it can do. Right. And so that's. Right, nobody's. Nobody's taking me up on that. $25,000 reward is to figure out how to hack Android or the iPhone operating system to allow energy to go out of the coil instead of energy in.

I got a. I know a guy that might be able to help you with that, actually. Okay. Yeah, I'll be honest with him. Yeah. So I'll get your contact at the end when we finish up here. Yeah, I'll put you in touch with them. Yeah. Very interesting. Very, very cool. Yeah. PEMF is really. It's a great technology in many respects. Whenever I've used it and I've used it a reasonable amount, I don't necessarily feel much. And yet it can be having an impact. I think it's really wonderful for, you know, accelerating healing also. And we use a lot of peptides here to accelerate healing, which are really remarkable. I'm assuming that if we stack the PEMF with the peptides or if the cloud client does at home, they probably get it even faster result. So that's pretty cool too. Yeah.

Yeah. The anti aging system has four peptides in it. One of them's the copper one and stuff. Right. So, yeah, it should. So, yeah. That's some exciting stuff with that. Right. Is, you know, it's. He said most people don't feel it. It's. We have enough data. I know it's less than 1% of the people that actually feel the energy, they see the result. And 95% of those people, I. And they freak out. When I ask them if they're energy sensitive, I say, do you see auras around other people? And they all go, how do you know that? Because I just know.

Interesting. Yeah.

That if you see auras, you can be energy sensitive, vice versa. Right.

Yeah. The highly sensitive person. Yeah. I perceive energy, but I don't see the energy. Right. I can feel it, but I don't see it. And I am pretty sensitive. I can feel a lot of stuff. If I crank it up high enough, I'll feel it. If I get on certain things, I'll feel it. But there are other times when I put it on and I don't feel. I just don't feel much. Just a little warmth maybe is kind of all I might feel.

This one actually will get to like 105Fahrenheit, so it will get warm. It's interesting, though, if you go, man on the street with A microphone. You say, hey, do you know what PMF is? It's going to be, because I've done this, it's going to be one out of 15 people that know Beamer mat or something. In the horse world, it's 100 of the people.

Yeah, of course. That's right.

They all know what a Magnum wave is. They've had the horse treated with it.

Yeah.

The challenge from a marketing point of view has been, hey, this little 2.4 ounce thing can't do nothing for a thousand pound animal. I'm like, a horse is actually more energy sensitive than most people. So it does work on horses and dogs. The dog harness that we use, it puts it right over their heart. So it's the same logic as dependent where the vagus nerve is clustering. And Dr. Tom, he's in Myrtle beach, he said, mark, I don't know if you're smart enough that you came up with that, but putting it over the heart is making it work better than any PEMF device we have. And he's treating 40 dogs a day.

Fascinating. That's very cool. And what about, what about for humans, putting it over the heart? That.

Yeah. So you're wearing it with a pendant just as it's over your heart as well. And so much.

Yeah. That's also close to where the vagus nerves run. If you're, if you're, I mean, it's running down. Right.

So here's, here's what I hear. Cheated on that. Okay. I was watching a TED presentation and the lady's explaining 10th cranial nerve, vagus nerve coming down your brain, comes down your neck, both sides. It's close to the skin here. It clusters around your heart, then goes to the organs. I go clusters around your heart. I'm going to make a piece of jewelry.

Right.

And that's why I made the jewelry.

Got it. Okay. Beautiful. Yeah. So that's interesting. So I wonder, let's say, if you're putting it on a frequency to help heal a bone fracture, let's say, or recover from a surgery or something. I wonder if putting it over the heart accelerates that. And I'll tell you, there's another really interesting thing. I saw an article recently where regenerative therapies, you know, if you're using stem cells or PRP or placental tissue or cord blood products or things like that, not only do they work better if you do plasmapheresis first to kind of remove the inflammatory things that are in the body, but they work better when parasympathetic nervous system tone is activated, they work significantly better. So it just goes to show you that the parasympathetic optimization is such a healing sort of, not just frequency, but it's really a healing energy for the body. And so it's recovery and repair. And if you can augment that for an individual, you know, not only can you treat anxiety, depression, but you can heal other stuff right. With it. So in a sense it can either be a standalone or it can be an adjunct to other things that you're doing to heal the gut or heal the bone or, you know, whatever it is you're trying to do. So we like the idea of stacking these things together to kind of optimize it, if you will.

But I had some doctors contact me and say, hey, we want to try and prep people. They're open several stem cell clinics and they're like, we want to try and prep them. So the therapy is more responsive, works better. I go, what would you run? I said, I don't know, I'd probably run vagus nerve. And that's what they're doing. And it's working.

Yep. The vagus nerve is what they want to do for sure. Yeah. So there's data on that. Yeah. And that's what we. We're not doing it currently. I just saw that recently in the last week. And I'm going to reach out to your website here and see if we can get some stuff. So that'd be good.

Okay, cool.

Yeah, awesome. Great. Well, it's been pleasure chatting with you, Mark. Is there anything else you wanted to cover or you feel like you feel complete here?

No, I just tell people, you know, I wrote an article called Liar Liar pants on Fire because all the Facebook haters that just like this is scam and it can't work. And I'm skeptical. I'm still skeptical and I've been looking at for 27 years. Right. But yeah, is I made a list of. Listen to all these things that are absolutely impossible. DNA sequencing, CRISPR MRIs, antibiotics.

Right.

It lists 200 things that were absolutely impossible until they weren't.

That's right.

So keep an open mind. There's a comedian in the 70s on TV called Rich Hall. He had thing called Sniglets. They're words that aren't in the dictionary but. But they should be. And one was bozone. It's invisible gas that surrounds people, that stops new ideas from getting in, you.

Know, There you go.

I used to teach at Los Alamos National Labs four times a year. Creative thinking. And I'm just a dumb chemical engineer. These are the smartest nuclear physicists in the world, so why walk in there? They're going to slaughter me. So I walk in and I don't make eye contact with them for 10 minutes. I just go through the history of physics and show how completely wrong they have been.

Yeah.

Every 10, 20 years, then I turn around and go, based on all that. There's a high statistical probability. Whatever you did your doctor's thesis on is worthless. Now shut up. Keep an open mind. I have to use the brain and beat them for them to be able to listen to the information.

Yep. Yeah, we. We talk about that a lot with our clients. And actually on this podcast about that, a lot of people, and, you know, physicians in particular, get brainwashed and they think they've got answers. And I think a lot of people go through life trying to find their answers, when in actual fact, all progress comes from questions. And so it's really more about finding your questions than it is finding your answers and then realizing that that allows you to keep innovating and leaving stuff behind or adding to the good stuff or whatever it is. Right. So, yeah, I love that. Yeah. We're not married. We have thousands of answers here in this clinic. We're not married to any of them. We're only married to the questions. And that makes a massive difference for us. So, yeah. Cool. Okay. All right.

Thank you.

Thanks so much. Yeah. Enjoy. Hang on. Yeah.

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