Longevity Biohacks: Programming Your Mind for Vitality

Do infants overeat or not move when they need to move or not sleeping when they're tired? They do everything right. And then we systematically make a mess out of their life slowly over time in early childhood. And by the time they get to high school, their entire model of reality is out of sync with health.

Today I'm going to be joined by a psychologist, Dr. Lloyd Glauberman from New York City. We're going to be talking a little bit about some interesting things related to hypnosis. and I think you're gonna find this podcast intriguing.

He went from saving hearts as a cardiologist to rewriting the entire aging playbook. Dr. Jeffrey Gladden believes 100 is the new 30, and he's got the science to back it up. This is the Gladden Longevity Podcast.

Lloyd, welcome to the Gladden Longevity Podcast. It's good to see you. Good to have you here.

Yeah, appreciate it. I'm happy to be here.

So I understand you've survived the New York winter so far.

So far, I mean, you got to stay healthy. Yeah. Do the best you can, right?

Yeah. So tell me a little bit about how you got into founding Lifestyle Intelligence and hypnoperipheral processing and some of the things that are quite interesting in your background. You've been a psychologist, clinical psychologist for 40 years. What took you into psychology? Was that kind of a lifelong love and passion or? How'd that come about?

Two things. It was the first college course I got an A in.

Oh, well, there you have it.

I said, well, that's okay. The second thing was a little bit more meaningful. After I graduated, it was important to either be in school or have a job that prevented you from being drafted into the Army because that was Vietnam wartime.

That's right.

I was fortunate enough to get a job at the Massachusetts Mental Health Center, being one of, one of the guys who just helped out, that kind of thing. And, um, while I was there, I got a lot of positive feedback from staff members, said, you're pretty good at this, maybe you should consider going into the business. At which point that set it into motion. And then I was in a master's program for a while and then ended up at Syracuse in a doctoral program and Now here I am talking to you. So it ended up being pretty good.

Yeah. Beautiful. And so what was your doctorate in? What did, what, what was your thesis?

It's a totally different thing. It was an evaluation with a family crisis intervention program with the Syracuse Police Department. Okay. I was, I was in charge of the group of assistants to the psychologists who were doing most of the work. And I was able to do the evaluation and that became my dissertation and strange kind of thing because it has nothing to do with what I'm doing now, except I learned a lot of psychology from watching good cops. Yeah. They're amazing.

That's interesting, right? Yeah. I mean, yeah, anybody that's dealing with, especially the public that is agitated, let's say, has to have a lot of psychological skills, right?

Nobody, nobody is better on their feet. In a situation like that than a good cop. Much better than anybody in our professions in psychology, because they're on the firing lines all the time, literally and figuratively.

Yeah.

Watch a good cop handle something. It's amazing. Yeah.

No, it's interesting. You know, when I was doing the interventional cardiology for 25 years, I would come into situations where family members would be very upset about something. Obviously, you know, somebody just had a heart attack or was just dying, or Certain things had happened. And as you know, people can get very aggressive. And I had the good fortune of when I was training at Case Western in Cleveland, my first ICU rotation was actually, the attending physician was a neurologist, which is a little unusual in a medical ICU setting. But he was also very psychologically savvy. And he taught us a lot about dealing with families and about removing ambiguity for people. That people could deal with almost anything if ambiguity was removed. And so that really stuck with me in my whole training. And then adding to that, so for example, people would have a loved one in the ICU that they weren't sure if they were going to make it. And many physicians would say things like, well, we're not sure, we're going to try this, we're going to try that. And I would come in and look at the situation, and this was after some years of experience, I would say, you know, I think I think there's a really good possibility we're going to lose, you know, mom or dad here in the next 48 hours or so, right? I think the chances of them making it are probably, you know, 3, 4%. I mean, miracles happen, but I want to let you know that things are looking really, really difficult at this point. And people were always so grateful to have somebody kind of level with them, right? And kind of remove the ambiguity. And then the other thing that I realized is that when people were upset, typically it was because they didn't feel safe. And they would get really aggressive and really whatever. And if I could actually empathize with them and then establish a sense of safety for them, then all of a sudden they could calm down and then we could actually have a conversation. So anyway, I only bring that up because it's not like being a cop, but those were kind of some of the analogous situations. You know, you're working in an ER, an ICU, or a situation like that. So yeah.

Judging stylistically by the way I perceive you right now, I was thinking about being that person you were talking to. You're good at it. You made me feel good.

Okay. Oh, good. All right. Well, good. Something's working. All right, great. So tell us a little bit. So you made a transition from that. And what drew you to the next thing that you were intrigued by?

Hypnosis.

Okay.

Okay. So after graduating a traditional program and working at the St. Joseph's Hospital, doing community service kinds of things, training programs for teachers and things like that, having to do with psychological techniques to be able to deal with students or nurses, psychological techniques dealing with patients and stuff like that. From there, I decided to get more specific, hence hypnosis. During that time, I went to a workshop led by, I think, a couple of guys who were in the neurolinguistic programming sphere of NLP, which was getting really big and hot at that moment in time.

Just to define that for the audience, neuro-linguistic programming, I think a lot of people have heard the term NLP, but it's a really fascinating science. Do you want to just describe that for a minute?

It's a way of describing the way people organize their experience, thinking, feeling, sensing, talking in their heads to get to more specific ways to go about changing because they become more aware of the experiences that they're having by looking at the way people move their eyes. And that tells the practitioner what they're experiencing, whether they're visualizing something, whether there's an auditory thing going on, whether it's more of a feeling thing. So you learn how to look at somebody, see the way they're processing, and help them reorganize their experience.

Okay.

And it's a subtle kind of thing, but it's pretty useful. Yeah.

Yeah.

Anyway, so this was led by two hypnotists. And at one point during the program, they decided to do something that not only I'd never seen before, but I never heard of before. And that was a dual induction. So they had one person be the subject from the audience. And then, as opposed to one hypnotist going through the motions of saying something hypnotic and helping the person go into a trance, both individuals began talking simultaneously to this one subject.

Interesting. Simultaneously. So they're simultaneously speaking, not alternating, but actually—

And they're not saying the same things. They're not trying to duplicate what's going on. One's got his shtick. The other guy's got his shtick. And they're going about doing things. And the first thing that I'm thinking about is what the bleep is going on here? What are you guys doing? And then Something happened. I began to slowly drift into an altered state of consciousness, a very pleasant kind of thing. Like the overload, as opposed to being annoying, actually did the opposite.

All right.

And after it was done, obviously they went back and explained to everybody what they had done, what this was supposed to do. And how effective it can be. The only problem is it's not very practical because when are you gonna have two people hanging out with one person? But it set into motion for me an idea. I loved what I experienced and I said, maybe there's something that can be done on audio technology that can duplicate this double induction kind of thing. And maybe I can be the person to figure that out, how to do this. Slowly over time, over a period of time, I bought myself a little 4-track recording machine. This was in the day of audio cassettes. We hadn't gotten to CDs yet. And I would go to my office on Sunday afternoon and I'd sit there and I'd start writing some stories, fairy tales with Joseph Campbell's myth of the hero theme. Person with a problem goes out into the world and And slowly, over a couple of years, I figured how to do this reasonably well.

So you would be writing one storyline, or you'd be writing two storylines that would then merge together, or how would you?

At first, well, I was doing all the writing. I had a partner for a period of time, but that didn't work out because, well, he didn't do enough to make it worthwhile to kind of do that. But I learned over time how to generate the messages in a way that didn't call attention to themselves. Okay. And then there was a magical moment when I saw another way to do this because I accidentally did it. And while listening, I said to myself, uh-oh, that's it. Now I got to go back and from now on, I got to structure it in another way. Which I figured out how to do. Took some time because you had to manufacture fairy tales around messages. So it was— and I'm not a writer, but this was something that definitely had to be done in just the right way to—

So let me interrupt you for a second because this is incredibly intriguing. So it sounds like there is a writing style and technique that you were figuring out. And I'm also wondering if there was a recording technique. When you first started talking about a double induction, the first thing that came to mind for me was something like binaural beats, right, where you have a different frequency in each ear kind of thing. And that, in conjunction sometimes with photobiomodulation, can take you into, let's call it, a theta state or a hypnagogic state or a hypnotic state. And it sounds like you're doing that with words and verbiage. And I'm not sure if one of your breakthroughs was to record stories, one that's coming in the right ear and another one that's coming in the left ear, or if there was some other element to it.

Each program was set up so there was a lead story about a person with a problem who goes out into the world and encounters a magical character or an unusual situation.

Okay.

That goes— that is about 6 minutes worth of intro. Okay, at which time, after the introduction is, is met, the individual meets this guide, then there's a pause, and then two different stories start up simultaneously.

Okay, okay. And then it becomes a sort of a, a dialogue, so to speak, that lasts for about 15 minutes.

The two stories stop simultaneously. Then you go back to the lead story. There's a wrap-up where the listener is told that the character in the stories has learned new thoughts, new feelings, new sensations, and new behaviors. It's— every one of the programs is structured that way, but they're all different.

Okay, got it. And so would you choose to have someone listen to a particular set of stories or, you know, duplex of stories here based on their underlying concerns or needs or anxieties or depression or something like that? Was there some sort of selective process in that?

Each program would be focused on one of those psychological situations, whether it's a mood thing, whether it's a weight thing, whether it's a relationship thing. Everything is kind of adjusted to whatever this needs. And this may be like 15 programs with 15 different content areas. Right.

Okay. Okay. That makes perfect sense. So, you know, interesting when I work with clients here, many times I will say to clients that all of life comes down to one thing. And, you know, we're a longevity practice here, right? And everybody always looks at me a little bit askance. Really? All of life comes down to one thing? I said, yeah, it all comes down to one thing. It comes down to optimizing your nervous system.

We got to rewire that thing.

Yeah, we got to rewire that thing. So my question is that with what you were doing there, were you in essence kind of reprogramming the nervous system by doing this? Was that the idea or was it more of giving people an aha experience to have something to kind of serve as a fulcrum for them to kind of leverage off of to create new narratives for themselves or how were you thinking about that?

Everything all the content of each program was never meant to be noticed as it was being presented. So I'll give you an example of this because when it happened, it was like a scene out of a movie for me. It was early on when I was doing this and a friend of mine was really into personal development and he had written some books and he was doing some workshops and he said to me, Lloyd, I'd love to use your audio material in this workshop that I'm doing. I go, absolutely, be my guest. So I, I brought him some stuff and he said, join me there and then you can introduce what you're doing and have all the 30 people listen to. So we did do that. Everybody put their headphones on, listen to the program. Each of the programs is anywhere from 25 to 30 minutes long. And at the end, everybody takes the headphones off and talks about how relaxed they are and What an interesting experience. And then he asked them, anybody wanna make any comments? So systematically, everybody talked a little bit, this and that, most of it about how relaxed they were. And then he said, anybody else have anything to say? From the back row, there's a woman, hasn't said a word yet. She raises her hand, he points to her, she stands up, and she then says what a lot of other people said, how relaxed she had been and what an interesting experience this was. And then she paused, you ready for this? And said, oh my God, that's the first time I have ever spoken in a group in my entire life.

Oh, wow.

And in that tape, one of the messages was speak up.

Oh, wow.

She had no conscious recognition of that ever being there. My guess is neither did anybody else. Because of the way it's set up. One word in one story, one word in a different story. So you listen, you know what I'm talking about? So yeah, bypass everybody's consciousness. But I said to myself, oh, maybe this stuff really does work.

Yeah. That's really fascinating. Right. So you're bypassing the consciousness, but you're implanting it in the subconscious, so to speak.

Right.

Or the whatever's behind consciousness. Yeah. That's really interesting. So a word comes in from one story to another, from another story, and the brain puts that together. And the next thing you know, she's speaking up.

And think about that, right? I mean, at that point, I said to myself, maybe there really is a God and he wants to help me out here because what's the probability of that happening? Come on, like zero, 0%.

Well, is it zero though? Is it zero?

Well, it turned out to be no, it wasn't zero.

Yeah, I mean, based on the technique and based on the insights that you were working with, You know, when people are in that hypnagogic state, let's call it, which, you know, we look at carefully here in the practice, you know, putting people into a theta state, which is a slow waveform. It's just above a sleep waveform, a delta waveform. It's kind of— if you're listening to this, you can kind of imagine it as when you're about to fall asleep but you're not quite asleep. That's kind of a theta state, as long as your mind's not racing, when you're kind of in that very slow meditative, or if you're a meditator and you go into a really deep and profound meditative state, you can go below alpha into a theta state, right? Alpha is a little faster wave frequency, kind of traditional meditation, breathwork, things like that. But if you really sort of drop in, you can go into that theta state. And do you have insight about the different waveforms that people are in and when it is easiest for them to kind of reprogram their nervous system?

Well, that— the only data that I have referencing the theta state and that sort of thing came from some research that a fellow did working out of a California institute. I forget where he was, but he had 30 people that he had listen to the programming and monitor their brainwave state. And every one of them, to a person, went into the theta state. Everybody went through that. And I had the feeling that was gonna be the case, but he absolutely scientifically proved that to me by what he had done, what he had told me. And so people don't appreciate the theta state. Most people don't even know it exists. I mean, they might know, oh, there's a space between waking and sleep, but they don't know its name. And because you're in it for such a short period of time, it has no clout in your brain for having any particular meaning. Yet it is incredibly powerful if utilized.

Mm-hmm. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's cool. So tell me about how this translates into your thinking about optimizing longevity and behavior change and brain reprogramming and, you know, some of these kinds of things, because in our world we feel like, you know, we talk a lot about longevity related to the biological hallmarks of aging. We talk a lot about health. With all the organ systems and subsystems, a lot about performance, and then a lot about the environments we reside in. But we really feel like the, the circle, if you will, that encompasses all those is really the psychospiritual space, the life energy space, if you will, which is kind of lines up with, with what you're talking about here. So how have you sort of translated what you're talking about here into the longevity space and habits and things like that?

Well, I think that it's important to appreciate all the brainwave states. Beta, alpha, theta.

Gamma.

So if you think about brainwave states, all four of those things can be utilized. And obviously the best way to do that is if you're gonna focus on one thing to start everything in motion, for me, it's sleep because I know from my own experience. If you get enough sleep, at least you set the table so that something good can be fed. Doesn't mean you've got to eat well, but at least you have the opportunity, right? Because if you don't, nothing else is going to work for you. I grew up with sleep being an annoyance, right? I didn't know anybody who didn't use an alarm clock to get up in the morning, right? I mean, I grew up in the '50s and '60s where nobody knew anything. There was no such thing as lifestyle intelligence. There was no intelligence is basically what I grew up with. And it was easy to get lost and not know what was going on because beginning with not enough sleep, everything is out of whack. Can't think well, your emotions are out of sync, and you eat too much because your brain needs more energy because you're sleep deprived. Everything goes wrong if there's not enough sleep. Hence, you start with that and then you can work outward. You need more than that, but you have a better foundation with that in place, right?

Yeah, for sure.

Eating quality food, okay, exercise. I mean, everybody knows all of this stuff now, which is kind of ironic when you think about, given the amount of information that's available to people, now that was not available in the '50s and the '60s. Nobody knew anything. Yet people were actually healthier back then than they are now, right? Everything has gone wrong with all the information. I mean, health and wellness, we all know all that stuff that we hear thousands of times every day just has no meaning whatsoever. Nobody pays any attention to it. It's a mess out there. Yet we have all the information we need if we want to pay attention to it. But that's not happening, is it?

Well, it's an interesting thing. I think, you know, in the '50s and '60s, I grew up then too. And, you know, smoking was, you know, just standard practice basically, right? So you had that going on. There was a lot more nutrient-dense food around. So that was a thing that was going, working for people. And, you know, post-World War II, there was a lot of positive energy in, in the U.S. You know, I remember people were generally, you know, very optimistic. I would say there was a lot of optimism in the '50s, and then in the '60s it started to go a bit sideways, right, with Vietnam War and protests and sort of the split in culture between youth and the adults and things like that. So it was a lot of stress in the '60s and then that carried on. But at least we had, you know, we had better food. I think that was a piece of it. So, and then I think the food system really kind of got messed up. And then I don't think stress has really, really gone down for a lot of people, right? I think, you know, the pace of life is quick, much quicker now than it was back then. Certainly the rate of innovation, the rate of change, you know, there's, a new version of AI every other week now. You know, there's, things are happening at a much, much faster level.

Except the, except our movement in the world.

Our movement in the world, right.

Literally, literally, there is no, there is no more movement. Everything comes to us. We don't go out and do anything, which is, I think, there's, there's, there's one thing that kind of, symbolizes, for me, symbolizes what we're all about these days. And that is what we are doing to public high school kids. We have 13 million of them. And of those 13 million, every single one has to be at school at 8 o'clock in the morning.

Yeah.

And that's a travesty. When you think about what time these kids go to bed because they're junkies listening, watching their phones and computers, at best, at a moment in time when they're going through an important growth spurt that they are sleep deprived and are totally out of sync, right? So what do you got? You've got 13 million kids who are systematically beginning the process of aging very quickly. So diseases that won't typically happen until they're in 50s and 60s are gonna happen in their 30s, maybe even earlier, right? Nobody pays any attention to that at all. right? That's happening right now as we speak.

Oh yeah.

You know, your kids.

Well, I don't think it was fully comprehended or understood that, that teenagers are like the world record sleepers, right? We, we tend to think that babies are the biggest sleepers, but no, teenagers, right? And so for them to wake up before, that's why on the weekend they sleep in till 11 or whatever. It's because their, their bodies are crying out for sleep. And, um, yeah, so it's, it is an interesting conundrum, right? The way that society has structured itself in a way to kind of sleep deprive the people that need it the most. Yeah.

You brought up something interesting with infants. For infants, sensation is cognition. They don't think like us as they get older. They don't, their brains aren't developed. So what's happening in their head is the sensory experience in their body. Do infants overeat or not move when they need to move? Right. Or not sleeping when they're tired? They do everything right. And then we systematically make a mess out of their life slowly over time. In early childhood, and by the time they get to high school, their entire model of reality is out of sync with health, right? But they don't know it because it's been in there, right? They're totally oblivious to knowing anything about it.

So yeah, we've normalized it.

Exactly. Yeah.

So what, what's— what, you starting a sleep farm where people can just go and sleep and then get up and move around? Is that the idea? Eat healthy food? It—

well, get Slowly but surely, if people pay attention and do some things for themselves, whether it's listening to my stuff, whether it's paying closer attention to what they are doing, right? Make a map of what they're doing and realize that there are no straight lines in life. So if you're going to go about the business of making changes, you're going to go 3 steps forward, a step and a half back, but that's normal. And get used to that because then the step and a half back gets you ready to make a next step a little bit more forward. So that people realize change is, if the minute you get rid of the straight line business and just do this, then you can be successful at making changes. If you get stuck in that, I make a New Year's resolution and I get messed up for a week, I just jump the whole thing. No, realize the pattern is always going to be a little bit of tough luck along the way, but if you keep going, you're gonna be okay. Maintain your focus. Pay attention to what's going on in your head. Notice a little bit more of the sensations in your body, right? So you know when you actually are hungry and when you're not.

Yeah, no, I think it's, I think it's well said. You know, I'm curious, one of the things that you had spoken about before we spoke was identifying what the most dangerous psychological trap is that you see in this culture that we have of optimization, optimizing health and life itself and relationships and all the the other things, but is there a psychological trap in this optimization culture?

By always thinking great things are going to happen kind of thing? Is that— I'm a little confused about exactly what you mean by optimization.

Well, it's, you had mentioned about how biohackers are chasing short-term metrics and they're basically working on optimizing all the time. And then I think you might have identified that there are some dangerous psychological traps getting caught up in that per se. That's kind of what I'm referring to.

Anytime people are trying to get you involved with something, you have to wonder whether there's an ulterior motivation or they don't understand something enough to have a perception that ends up being useful. But most of the patterns that we have are ones that every one of us has experienced. And if we stop and pause and reflect back, we can learn a little bit about what we've been through and use that as a launchpad for making some more useful changes the next time out?

You know, one of the things that I think about that's really important in my life, quite honestly, and in the clinic here, is this idea of living young for a lifetime. And I don't mean that in a sort of a flippant way, like we're chasing eternal youth. It's not about that. This idea of living young for a lifetime, though, means embracing the idea of maintaining a youthful mindset, which is focused on curiosity and novelty and new experiences and not being married to the questions, or rather being married to the questions and not being married to the answers that we currently have. Realizing that things are changing, that all innovation comes from the questions that we ask. And I'm curious to get your take on that because in my experience, it's a real game changer for people when they realize that they have the freedom to kind of unhitch the wagon from things that they thought had to be true, but then came to realize, oh, well, actually, that's optional. Like, somebody made that up, and I guess I bought into it. But if I ask a different question, I can actually end up in a different place or space that's more life-giving and more nourishing for me. I'm just curious about your take on all that.

Well, I think it's useful every so often to pause and do some self-reflection about where you are at this moment in time, what's important to you, what you still want to do, the relationships that you have, and your overall sense of who you are. And are there things that are still available to you, right? And if there are, you want to be in the best state of body and mind to be able to take advantage of what you can do, assuming that you've got things organized and been honest with yourself about certain activities and what's still available for you as life goes on so that you still— choice is really important in life. Pay attention to what's available. Pay attention to your skillset. Pay attention to your motivation. Start utilizing everything you have because we're not here for very long. We think we are, but we're not. And being able to sustain quality living for as long as you can, I mean, isn't that what we're all after?

Yeah, I think everybody wants a, you know, a long healthspan essentially. And then, you know, to go quickly and quietly, so to speak, right? When that happens. I think we live in an age, quite honestly, where I think aging itself is going to be hacked. And I think we can choose to live much longer than you know, our parents or our grandparents did in a much healthier way. I really think that's, that's already evident. And I think it's only not that far away, quite honestly, when we get the opportunity to do that in even a more demonstrative way, if you will, where we can truly live young for a lifetime, right? And continue to do the things we love to do. That it's kind of a separation of chronological age, not only from biological age, but also psychological age to where we're actually able to, you know, start a new business, do something, start a new relationship, learn a new sport, you know, whatever, whatever you wanna do, you'll be able to do it. And I think that's, that's an exciting way to live realizing.

I, I, I like that to a point. But every so often people drift into thinking about immortality. Yeah.

I'm not talking about immortality.

No, but you, you're talking about being as healthy as you can for as long as you can. So your life continues to have meaning.

That's right.

Yeah, no, I agree. I agree with that. I mean, I like the idea of hanging out and I'm very much enjoying talking to you right now about these issues. And this is, I want to be able to continue talking to intelligent people about intelligent stuff. Right. That's useful and makes you feel good.

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. In fact, and one, one lens to look at life through is, um, it's about having the conversations that you want to have, right. With the people that you want to have them with. Um, and so that's true as a practitioner, right? You, you enjoy having the conversations with your clients or on a podcast like this or with other people. And it brings a lot of joy to have those conversations. You know, you talk a little bit about lifestyle intelligence and microhabits. Do you want to speak a little bit about microhabits and their importance in kind of helping people to get where they're trying to go and, and optimize their, their healthspan and things like that? You've mentioned some things around sleep and nutrition and movement and stress and mindset, but you want to talk a little bit about the microhabit mechanism.

Give me an example of, of a microhabit that, that you're thinking about.

Well, for example, you know, some of the things that you've provided us ahead of the show, are you talking about microhabits with regards to, let's say, movement, right? So the way that I would think about that would be that a microhabit would be— it's not about getting up and exercising, it's basically about getting up and putting on your sneakers. So if you make the microhabit not about working out, but you make the microhabit about getting up and putting on your sneakers, then it's like, oh, Okay, my sneakers are on. So now what am I going to do? Well, I guess I may as well go do something, right? And so it's kind of like these little micro habits, whereas it can feel a little overwhelming in the morning. People are a little groggy or whatever to say, well, I'm going to go for a run. It's like, well, okay, I'll put my sneakers on, right? And then I'll start to wake up. And then it's like, well, I'll put my whatever, my shirt on or whatever to go outside, whatever that might look like given the weather. And the next thing you know, you're outside, right? The micro habit may be to step out the front door. right? That kind of thing. I, I, that's, so that's what I'm kind of referring to.

Okay. Well, I, I like, I like the idea of, um, talking about how important conversations that you have with yourself are.

Mm-hmm.

And a lot of times people have these patterns, these internal conversations, and they're so frequent that they're, they're basically like, uh, cognitive wallpaper because they're there all the time. They're never noticed. So it's useful to pause, reflect, and go, oh, I didn't realize I keep saying that to myself at that moment in time. And of course, then you can always then begin the process of saying something useful to yourself. And one of the conversations that's really important to have is to, um, when that part of you that doesn't want to do something that's been around for 47 years and starts barking, "I don't really feel like doing it today," that you have another part of yourself say, "Yeah, but we're doing it today," to make sure that there's a consistency to the sorts of things that are that important. Because I know from myself that every so often, I mean, I heard it this morning, you don't really want to do this. You got important things to do. You've been doing this podcast. You need your energy. And then in the, from the background I said, yeah, but you also could exercise right now. So shut up and get on the thing.

Mm-hmm. Got it.

Those are useful.

Yeah, that's right.

Everybody, everybody gets to say something, but there's an important decision and you have to be consistent about, look, who does, who, who wants to exercise every day? Right. Okay. But yeah, I do actually. It's useful. Yeah.

I like it. I enjoy it. So let's talk about, let's go back to the, tapes that you've recorded, I guess you've disseminated these. I guess there's over 125,000 of these out in circulation now. And if someone's interested in listening to these tapes, how would they know that the tapes are right for them? How would they make that determination?

Well, there is— right now I've incorporated them into the LQ app, Lifestyle Intelligence app. And you have 2 weeks to use that for nothing, to test things out. And all these programs, in addition to the 250 3-minute bits of information that I give you, which it's one a day, that's the foreground for the app. But the background is the HPP programs. And there, I think there are 13 or 15 of them with all different kinds of content. Self-esteem, stress management, performance, all kinds of weight management, all kinds of stuff, relationships. So you can test it out. All the names are there in the titles, and you can see whether these fit your needs. If they do, test it, see whether you like it, see whether they impact you in a positive way, and then you can either decide to continue and purchase the app, or if not, it's not for you, that's fine. But there's enough time for you to get a sense of what the programs are about and whether they would be something that may be beneficial for you.

Okay, so hypnoperipheral processing, HPP, how did you come up with that designation? Is that a kind of a technical term, or?

It came out of, I needed to call it something other than another hypnosis kind of thing because I mean, that'll fall flat. There are millions of hypnosis products. So the idea of since the information is presented at the edges of consciousness.

I see.

The idea of peripheral made sense. And I wanted it and it just popped into my head one day. Oh, peripheral processing. So I looked around to see whether in any way, shape, or form it had been used before by anybody in the helping professions. And it hadn't. So it worked out perfectly because you got the, the hypno part in, right? So that obviously would get people curious, and then the rest of it, they wouldn't understand what that meant, but they would in retrospect after they listened.

Got it. Okay, right. So the peripheral processing is really kind of the edge, it's really the subconscious sort of processing?

That's correct. It's, it's amazing what your we don't appreciate our brains enough. We're so used to having one and to our experience that it's like the universe inside our skull or recreated. It's remarkable it being there the way it is and what it does. I'm in awe.

Oh yeah.

Having a brain, really.

Yeah. It's an amazing tool. And I think it's, I think one of the biggest things that people struggle with is how do they control their thoughts, right? How do they not let their thoughts get away from them, whether it's with regards to something that's making them anxious or depressed, or they're perseverating on something, or they're constantly ruminating about something, you know, these kinds of things, right? So this is why I think, you know, life really comes down to being able to optimize your nervous system, which is being able to control your nervous system, integrate all the parts of it, a little bit of Carl Jung here, right? And bring the shadows forward and all the other things that are there to become your complete, you know, the complete expression of who you are, your individuated self. And I think that's a really— that's a fascinating process, quite honestly. So I love that process.

I, I, I couldn't agree more. And it's— this is where taking really good care of yourself comes in handy, because you want all of your resources available to you. So make sure to get enough sleep, and you will know when you get enough. So you always hear people will say, Oh boy, I feel so much better today. I got a good night's sleep. We've all heard it, we've all experienced it.

For sure.

It's that eating healthy and movement, and you basically covered everything. And that then allows your emotional intelligence to function more optimally, and likewise then your intellect as well. So you get an ecological thing going on, you get your lifestyle stuff in place, and then Everything else syncs up the way you want it to sync up.

Yeah, or at least it has the opportunity to, right?

I stand corrected. Absolutely. You are absolutely correct. At least is an opportunity, but without it, there ain't. That's right. Yeah.

Well, Lloyd, it's been a pleasure chatting with you. I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing with us your insight and wisdom. And how do people get a hold of you or find your Hitmo Peripheral Processing, Lifestyle Intelligence.

The app is lifestyleintelligencelq.com.

Okay. And that's it.

They're going, there'll be me talking about the app just like a little bit more than what we talked about. But it's there. And I very much appreciated this being on your show. You did a great job of setting me up. Thank you.

Oh, it was a pleasure chatting with you. Thanks so much.

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