26. What You May Not Know About The Vagina and Vulva with Cheri Ong

All right, are you guys ready to dive into today's topic? I am super excited to go deep into female health, Women's health, women's desires, our needs, the female anatomy. This conversation with my dear friend Dr. Ong is very intimate and it's essential, the things that we spoke about, because it's stuff that everyone deals with. Everybody deals with aging, desires, intimacy issues, female issues, things that aren't necessarily being talked about mainstream. And when you go to your gynecologist or you go to your medical doctor, a lot of the issues that need to be addressed are not addressed because not many people specialize in this the way in female health the way that Dr. Ong does. She's one of a handful of women that is as specialized as she is. If you have any questions about your needs in your female department, I highly suggest that you reach out to Dr. Ong. She's really bridging the gap between plastic surgery and regenerative medicine with cutting edge therapies such as Ozone Peptide and Advanced cocktails. She's also a double board certified plastic surgeon with the American Board of Plastic Surgery and the American Board of Surgery. She's a nationally certified in Peptide society as well through a 4M and a fellow at the SSRP group. The list goes on with her. But you know what's Most impressive about Dr. Ong is her heart. She is extremely intelligent, extremely gifted and talented. But when you pair that with her mission and her desire to help women at the highest level and help them from a holistic point of view, it is really inspiring and it's beautiful. And she is changing lives with the work that she is doing. It's so advanced and special, and we're gonna go deep into that today. And so I can't wait for you to listen to the show and learn. So without further ado, let's meet today, Dr. Ong. So we're here in Scottsdale. Are you in Scottsdale? Where is this?

Scottsdale.

Scottsdale. Okay. Just hanging out with Dr. Ong. I really love being at your house. I feel so at home. You've got the whole setup. You have your UMH water vortexer. You've got all of the hypertonic isotonic, Quinton, hydrogen tablets. I mean, the whole setup right here. Even a professional beaker.

Yeah. I mean, I'm so interested in learning all the stuff about water that I set up a whole water station here right next to my sink. So every time I need water, it's ready to go.

It's beautiful. And I noticed you have the Aqua true. You're using to filter your water and you just got on the deuterium depleted water. How long?

Just two days ago.

Two days ago. Okay, so you probably don't feel much of a difference yet.

Not yet. You know, I started after learning about deuterium water from you, and I got some. And then I was traveling for the last week, so I just got back and I'm gonna get started. We'll just start it two days ago, so we'll see.

Quite exciting. Your mitochondria are happy. They're thanking you. How did you feel after you started vortexing the water and putting the quinton in it?

So I think the quinton makes a huge difference for me. I started doing the thing, like you mentioned, the hypertonic with the molecular hydrogen first thing in the morning when you wake up. I was using molecular hydrogen on its own without the quinton, and now with the Kinton, I felt that was a. A difference. Like you suddenly had a lot of energy when you first wake up. And I'm a morning person, so I feel that that little boost in the morning is amazing for me to get started. I think that made the big difference. And then what I do is I structure the hypertonic kinton before I put the molecular hydrogen. And then, like, I feel like a lot of energy in the morning.

Isn't it amazing? It's almost like. I feel like it's like if your cell phone's on 100 charge, you know, like you're. You have a tank full of gas. You just feel like when you take that molecular hydrogen and the hypertonic together, it just ignites you, you know?

Yeah. Something magical happens. Where that water came from. Who knows, you know, what that translates into us and how it wakes everything up. But within five minutes, you feel pretty amazing. So that's awesome.

It's almost like your whole central nervous system is just lit up. All the cells are talking to each other. Everything feels on. And it's. I almost feel like I don't drink coffee or anything in the morning, but I feel like that's what it might feel like, that, like, charge, but without the drop. You don't get the crash, like with caffeine, but you get that charge where everything fills up.

I like the word you use, like on. I feel like that on. That word on is probably right. Right on track of how you feel, like you. You're on. Like you're ready to go. You're ready for the day.

Exactly.

Yeah.

But the cool thing about it, you're not using any stimulants on the back end, it's not taking anything away from you. It's actually feeding you your longevity. It's enhancing the longevity and your vitality for the long haul.

Yeah.

Whereas, you know, stimulants can really tax your adrenals. It can tax a lot of different parts of your endocrine system that in the long run, you're going to feel it later.

Yeah.

You know, you borrow, buy now, pay later.

Yeah.

You're borrowing your own borrowed time, so.

Exactly.

This is like the. This is true regenerative medicine. This is. This is it.

That's pretty amazing.

So speaking of regenerative medicine, I mean, this is your specialty. You are one of the forerunners in bringing marrying plastic surgery with regenerative medicine. And it's really powerful and exciting. Tell us more about what you're doing and what you specialize in.

You know, I think it's funny because I'm trained in plastic surgery and this whole world of regenerative medicine, it's out there. But what I'm trying to do is bridge that gap between plastic surgery and regenerative medicine. I think it's so complementary and it can just enhance everything we do from a surgical standpoint. From, you know, plastic surgery is all about putting someone together, like back to being whole. You know, when someone has a big wound, you know, that's how plastic surgery all started is when someone had a wound or something we're trying to reconstruct or was trying to put those pieces together to make someone whole again. But I feel that was something that was missing because this whole part of cellular regeneration and making that body whole again from the inside out was that gap. And so my focus and my mission and what we're doing now is trying to bridge that gap and bringing regenerative medicine into plastic surgery and have someone heal from plastic surgery or, you know, help people be the best they can be. Not just the way they look, but how they feel from the inside out. So I think that's what we are doing, and we are kind of bridging that gap, and I think it's super fun and exciting.

Yeah. So tell me more about that. Let's go into that a little deeper. How are you bridging the gap? What are you doing that's helping people heal better or in the long run, see those results that they're really looking for, enhanced because of the regenerative medicine that you're incorporating.

So I think the first step in terms of surgical treatments is how can we get the body prepared better for surgery. So a lot of things we do, like, you know, we discuss some of the. Most people are deficient in some way, shape or form in terms of nutrients, and we don't even know it. But in surgery, it's a stressful situation. Your body undergoes stress, and I feel like we. We can prepare the best we can in order to get the body ready to heal. And so things like. One of the things that we had discussed a little bit earlier was Quinton, like, how can we get the body in a state of healing prior to surgery and doing things, you know, with peptides and things like that, even before surgery, to get the body in the mindset, the cells in the mindset of, hey, let's start the healing process. And then afterwards, you know, throughout the healing period as well, how can we support the body in healing, whether we. Using things like IV ozone therapy, IV nutrients, peptides, the bunch of peptides that involve in the healing process, like copper peptides and immune peptides and things like that that are super important. Wound healing, get the body in a better state, and people would want to heal faster. You know, why go through the entire surgical process and then the healing process has always been the obstacle. Like, I want. I would like to get the surgery, but I can't do the surgery because it takes so long to heal. But if we can make that process better, we can facilitate the healing process, then I think most people would want to do that and enhance that process.

Yeah. So you're saying that you use things to help wake up. Cellular communication, so that when the cells do undergo that stress, they know what to do. It's like, all right, now we get the soldiers to come in and do what needs to be done. For example, the Quinton. Now you're using the Quinton with your patients. And if they're taking that for about a month before their surgery, they're getting all those 78 trace elements, the building blocks for life. And so now they're going to have the ability to repair and regenerate. Whereas maybe something, you know, there may have been a trace element missing. Many trace elements, probably. And most people. And that's why they're probably not able to. To heal as well after surgery.

Yeah, I mean, I love that concept. Again, a lot of this information is. Is out there. But, you know, I think you helped me. You helped me a lot in trying to understand a lot of this stuff, and I'm grateful for you for that. But I feel like there's so many elements in wound healing and the cells need to for them to heal something, they need to start working together, you know, and some of the missing links, you know, in terms of normal, regular wound care that we learn in school, we say, okay, you need zinc, you need vitamin C, you need collagen, things like that. But I'm sure there's so many other things that are beyond what we can measure directly. But just getting things in the. Like, our body is made to want to do good things, and for whatever reason, we're limited because of the environment or certain circumstances involved. And I like the idea of doing Quinton. We just started doing it, so I feel that's going to be a big advantage for people to start doing that prior to surgery.

Yeah, I'm excited to hear what's going to happen with that. We've got a little bode here on the ground. She has the cutest dog over here, and he's just really excited to be a part of this. We need to get a video of this. It's cute. So he wants our attention, probably because we're not paying attention to him. So I really wanted to have you on the show because what you specialize in is so unique, and it's a topic that I think a lot of women want to know about, maybe even men, because then they can help their women. But you specialize in female health, and I was just really excited to hear you talk and learn from you and get informed from you about what you do and all of the advances there are in medicine to be able to help women with incontinence and just even. Well, tell us. Tell us what you do, because I think it's really interesting you're an artist also. Tell us a little bit more about that.

So, I mean, I feel that this was a gap in medicine. There's a big gap. Women's health is a big gap in medicine because it was. You know, our grandmas would say, well, you know, I'm growing old, so things that happen with growing old just happens. And I can't do anything about that. You know, whether it's leaking, like urine incontinence leaking or prolapse or not having sex after a certain age because you're dry. And things like that was just like, quote, oh, this, that. And so it's really amazing that over the last, I would say, three to five years, people started focusing a lot more on women's health. Meaning, like, we can change some of the things that happen as a part of, quote, unquote, normal aging due to loss of hormones and also, like, loss of collagen and some of the things that we normally go through. And so this feel of regenerative medicine in women's health has grown significantly over the last three to four, three to five years. And it marries the technologies we have to help reverse some of the things that people have. And how can we help maintain that infrastructure within the body in order to help us continue to function like we were when we were younger? So when you have kids, you know, you lose some hormones around the area, 40s, 50s, a lot of that changes internally. And then you add some women have gone through the trauma of childbirth and then loss of estrogen from menopause. You add all that together. And the tissues, as we age, is older, so the loss of collagen and the loss of estrogen. So what we are trying to do in this field of regenerative medicine and kind of combining that with women's wellness, is we're trying to improve the functional aspects of what women go through. How can they live a better life? How can they do the stuff they love to do when they're 30s and 40s without all the issues that we are facing right now? So, like, last week, I saw a lady who'd really love to play tennis, but she can't play tennis anymore, not as much as she would like, because she's always leaking urine. And these are the things that we can do to help women get back to the stuff they love to do. And so that's a part of regenerative medicine, I feel is super important. So things like using technologies such as lasers and radiofrequency energy, using a combination of peptides and regenerative products such as, you know, amniotic fluid, prp, and a whole host of growth factors and things like that combined together to help with the functional aspects. And then the other part of what we're trying to do in this field is I love plastic surgery, but I feel like that is the artistic. As you said, I'm an artist, but more of the artistic part of what I do is the surgical aspect and how we can refine and make people more confident about themselves and more comfortable with who they are as they go through life changes. And that's important. And then, you know, I believe that people should be confident of who they are no matter what. But there's no wrong in saying, hey, I want to make some changes, and I want to, you know, feel better and do something for myself. And. And I think people need to give themselves the permission to do that, because it's okay, and it's safe and it's something that they can choose to do if they want to. There's nothing wrong in not doing anything. Like feel confident with your own and who you are. Super. I believe in that a lot. But I feel like it's also okay if you want to do something and it can be significant in someone's confidence in how they feel about themselves.

Yeah, I mean, like really, if we get down to it, it's kind of like one of those things where, I mean, a lot of women probably don't even know what they look like down there because it's not something that you think about or. I mean, it's not something I've really ever thought about. Oh, let me see how that looks down there. But when there's somebody else down there that's not you, you kind of start to wonder, you know, like, what are they thinking? What, what is this? You know, And I'm sure that there are many different people that come to you that have insecurities with that. And just like, you know, there's people that are tall, short, you know, all different body constitutions. The labia down there is going to look different for different women too. So you go in there and you use your art, artistry skills to make it look like this young, beautiful flower again.

Yeah, I think art is so subjective. So I feel it's important to have a good conversation with the person and what they're looking for. But I think a lot of it is, you're right 100%. A lot of this is them feeling insecure about how they look. It may be something genetic where they're born with larger labias or there may be asymmetry where one is twice the size of the other and it's just super uncomfortable. And then the third op, the third thing is as we go to aging, some areas may be loose or perhaps, you know, it bothers them in clothing or they or doing sexual activity. There's a lot of reasons why women come and see me. The younger women, women prior to having children or you know, in the 20s, usually come in for larger inaliebias. And that's what they come in for. And it's a significant half of it is functional. Like they want to wear the tight Lululemons, for example, or bathing suits. And they find very, very self conscious. And especially young girls, if they are in on the team, you know, they're in the changing room with other girls and they feel like they're different from others. And so they will come and they're self conscious about that because why does mine look different from this other person in the, in the changing room? And that, that starts a conversation. They may not have surgery, but that starts a conversation of why, why I look different. And, and then when they start going out to like, you know, camps or summer vacations and they're wearing bathing suits and they're constantly, you know, tugging and pulling in those areas, they feel very self conscious. And, and so that's one group of women that come see me, and then the other group is just, you know, people in their 30s to even 60s and above just doing some things, whether it's going to be some tightening, some, some trimming, improving the laxity and things like that. So there's a lot of things that we do depending on what they're looking for.

So you're saying that you, you do it to help with confidence and also there's a functionality aspect to it for some people. So I, I think that that's so interesting and I love that because we live in a culture where everybody's focused on their lips, getting these lips enhancements and lip injections. And you're working on the lips down under.

Yeah, a different, different set of lips.

Yeah, you're working on different, but are just as important. I mean, it's something that you're using every day and you're, it's part of your life experience. So I think that that's really cool. And then beyond that, obviously the vaginal canal is an area that is something that we were talking about that needs to be healthy. I mean, just the microbiome inside of there is such a huge thing. I know so many women that come into our wellness center that have constant UTIs, they've got Candida overgrowth. And it's something that is not easy for them to talk about. And it's something that many of these women that come in to see me, they have lived with for years because they've been embarrassed to talk about it or they've talked to their doctor about it, and the doctor simply didn't have the tools for them to overcome this and get that microbiome where it needs to be. So tell me about that. How do you help with just the health of the vaginal canal and the cervix? And I mean, because all of this is going to play a part as well into the longevity and health. I mean, with HPV cancer, all of the things this is, this is, has its own universe going on in here. I mean, there's so many things right, that I'm sure we could go into. But what are some of the things that you do? You had, you had talked a little bit about the amniotic fluid. Oh, shot like kind of walk us through, through the different modalities you have and what the benefits are.

So let's go back to the, the vaginal microbiome. And that's a pretty common thing that many women go to see the gynecologist about. You know, frequent UTIs after sexual activity and then having issues with UTIs. And then the gynecologist would give them an antibiotic, right. And then they feel better and then a month later they have sex again and that becomes an issue again. Just like gut health is not easy because it's, it's the microbiome of the gut, as you know, is, is, is a community of good bacteria. And same thing with vagina. It's the same concept is that we have our own microbiome in the vagina. And as we age and as that's less blood flow, the vaginal wall, as a result of normal aging, I call it normal aging. But as a result of aging, mainly, particularly loss of estrogen or just less turnover, the cells of the vaginal wall gets thinner. And as a result of that less blood flow, what happens is that the bacteria that stays in the vaginal area just kind of doesn't get turnover. And most women who are having a thin vaginal mucosa do have lack of lubrication. This is just because the lining of the vaginal wall gets thinner. Not only gets thinner, the cells that produce the lubrication is unable to do that. And so they're, they're more dry and their walls are thinner. So as a result, they, most women are not having sex as frequently as well, just because of those reasons. Right. This is like a hindrance to have sex because they have, have to use lubrication and just a bunch of obstacles. And so that bacteria kind of stays there, whether it's Candida or a dysfunctional bacteria, and it kind of grows in there because then, and then when they have sex, it kind of stirs the pot, so to speak, and then they get a UTI and so that that circle continues. And so in order to get that better, I think it's just the same thing as we need to focus on how we can get that better. As you discuss, like it's all about cellular communication, like, first of all, we need to look at the overall health. And I always tell people, like, I'm healthy otherwise. No, you're not. There's something that's going on. So we need to fix that. And so it's just usually, look, if you speak to them a little bit more, they have other concerns.

Yeah.

Like maybe they have a little bloating or they have some other gut issues or things like that. So there's always, you know, not just one thing is all connected as, you.

Know, they're not sleeping well or their diet's off. Maybe they're drinking a glass or two of wine every night before they go to bed and. Yeah, yeah. So it's like there's a whole story.

Right.

To uncover.

Yeah. So it's not just, just, you know, I have a uti. Let me fix it. His antibiotic. Let me fix it. You uncover lots of layers and you gotta take all that into consideration. But most people don't want to deal with that. Like, I have a problem in here. Like when you fix.

Here, give me a pill. A pill for every ill. Yeah, a pill.

Or I just, I don't. Why are you talking my gut. I'm here for my, you know, uti.

Right.

So. So getting people in that mindset, thinking about that is one obstacle. It's one point. But if we want to focus on the vagina, let's focus on vagina. How can we make that better? So a couple of things I have that I feel is important. One is we need to get that vaginal mucosa healthy. That's the first step. So we'll work on radio frequency technology where we increase blood flow. We might have people use some estrogen suppositories. And then depending on whether they're on estrogen systemically and hormone replacement, that's a different story. But I like to get some estrogen to the areas as quickly as possible because estrogen is very healing to mucosa. So in conjunction with getting blood flow, radio frequency energy and getting things to start regenerating and getting that lining thicker again, healthier again. That's a big part of how we can get rid of and get the microbiome healthier. And then estrogen is super important to get that going as well. And then trying to kill the bad bacteria and replacing it with good bacteria, that comes with, you know, whole functional medicine aspects of it with gut and, you know, probiotics and all that, that's one part of the equation. And then the second part of the equation is locally, what can we do? So you can use ozone to kill the bacteria. And then they are like vaginal probiotics and things that we can use. But the Primary thing that we can do is really getting that blood flow there. I think that's once we can get that, the cells are going to be able to create more lubrication and the body starts fixing itself. And, and you know, you talk about the cellular communication. I think overall getting that body healthy will be another, another aspect of it.

Yeah. So there's, there's a holistic view and then there's a localized view. And then in the localized view, when you're talking about RF radio frequency, what exactly does that look like? It's a probe that's put inside the vaginal canal.

Yeah.

Is it painful? Does it heat up?

So there are a couple of devices out there for, specifically for vaginal health. They're lasers and then there are devices like radio frequency. I think about, I like radio frequency because it's non ablative, meaning that there is no injury caused. So think about like ultrasound where you put some gel on your body, right. And you can see your baby. So that's ultrasound wave transmits to the body and you can see images. So the same thing happens, radio frequency, you put a little gel in there and the device is as big as your middle finger, so very small. And it's using that energy, a radio frequency. And treating the inside, we can treat the outside as well. We treat the inside and that energy will produce more collagen, will produce more blood flow to the area. So the mucosa can be thicker and healthier. And that's what we want to achieve in that instance. It can also produce more elastin. So people will find it's not only collagen, but you have more elastin, which gives elasticity. And that's what women want. They want a very soft, supple vaginal mucosa and vagina. And it can also help blood flow to the areas of the supporting structures of the bladder. And so that blood flow to all the muscles and fascia can help with things like urine incontinence and so and get blood flow to the nerve. So I like those treatments because you almost getting more than one symptom or one and one thing treated, you can get, you know, improve lubrication, you can get improved vaginal tightness, elasticity, you can get improvement in leaky urine, you can blood flow and have better orgasms. So I feel like that is like.

It'S like a win. There's no, no way to lose, right?

Yeah, it's. There's so many things that you can help and it is pretty good. Like if you have a Device that can do one thing, but you can device and do four things. That's pretty good. And most women will have a little bit of a few of those four symptoms and. And it's a no brainer for me. And that's why I really embraced that technology when I first came out, because I felt that it helped. It's able to help this, able to help so many people.

And you were showing me some pictures of the actual labia, how you did it on that as well. And it tightened everything up. I mean, it was unbelievable how it just looked like, just like our skin ages and how women's faces start to sag. It looked like that area was sagging and there was elasticity, loss of collagen there. And then you use the RF and it looked like a completely different.

Yeah.

Situation going down there.

It's pretty dramatic.

It was dramatic.

It was pretty dramatic. And some people respond more than others, but I almost tell them like, that's gonna look great. Like the picture I showed you was immediate and was like, whoa, most people will just kind of go somewhere in between.

Okay.

After. But then that gives an idea of what it could look like.

Yeah.

And then I'd say, okay, well, if you want something more permanent, which is going to be longer now, that will probably last a few months. If they did radio frequency, obviously it's non surgical and as we all know, non surgical can do so much. Then I say, okay, if you want that look, we can do it in surgery. Okay, do that in surgery for you. And so that gives them an idea of some idea of what it might look like. And then we can say, okay, if surgery. So I have some people that don't want to do surgery and they're happy with coming back every few months to do a radio frequency and they're happy with that and it's completely fine.

It just looked like you had taken her from a. I don't know how old that woman was, but it looked like she could have been like 70 years old back to 30. I mean, it was, it was so dramatic. So that is a testament to what radio frequency can do. I know that there's so much research with radio frequency right now and I mean, we use one at our, at our clinic to help tighten skin around the stomach and elasticity. And we have women that have had babies and have very loose skin around their stomach and it's changed their life, their confidence and how tight it feels and they just look so different. So that excites me to know that there's something for people out there who might be feeling insecure, they're aging or that there's something that they can do.

Yeah. I mean, I feel like, honestly, it's every single energy device we have. Radio frequency is probably the best. Tightening technology like radio frequency is going to beat anything we have. But so a lot of companies now are combining radio frequency with CO2, radio frequency and micro needling because they know how for tightening, just not looking at other aspects of it. Radio frequency is probably the number one thing. Yeah. And it's funny you said that because we do our surgery using radio frequency as well. So what we call radio surgery so that when I do surgery, I don't use a knife or scissors in. In the intimate areas. I use a device which is a radio frequency device and has a really thin, like, wire at the end of it. I get to use that to do the surgery. So from that standpoint, it's more precise, but then it doesn't have all that thermal damage from like a cautery. But it also has more precision and a blade because that area is, you know, I'm doing it on a slant. It's not completely flat. So that allows me to be more precise. So I use radio frequency or radio surgery in order to do the procedure itself as well.

So powerful, these different wavelengths, how you can choose the different wavelength and it's going to do something different.

I know, right?

I mean, that's just. It's so awesome. I. One thing that really inspired me to start this show was I wanted to give people hope again. And that was one of the reasons why I wanted to have you on this show. Because I feel like this is a topic that a lot of women are embarrassed to talk about. And it's something that has been brought up and that I hear a lot in our clinic. And I thought, I'm not hearing a lot about this in mainstream. And it's something that we can bring to the table and have an open conversation about that there's no shame. It doesn't need to be embarrassing. It's like this is. It's part of our anatomy. It's part of life. It's part of who we are. And if we can talk about it and open up this conversation, then we can give people hope again. I mean, I. I really feel that from the experience I've had talking to different guests in our wellness centers, that some people's marriages are falling apart because women don't want to have sex with their husband anymore. Because of what you had talked about, how the vaginal canal is thin and it's painful. Feels like sandpaper. They're bleeding when they're having sex. The mucosal lining is just not. The integrity is not there as it once was, and now they don't have that enjoyment. So to know that you can use rf, use peptides, you can use, I think use amniotic fluid and you're actually injecting this into the vaginal canal, eye or the wall of the vagina. It's crazy to think that how much we can rejuvenate that and bring it back, bring it back to life and give people their life back again, give people their, their relationship back again. And I think if there's any men listening to this show too, that may give them hope for, for their relationship with their wife. Because maybe their wife's been distancing herself not because she doesn't care about her husband or her partner, but because she's feeling self conscious or just doesn't feel comfortable anymore. It's scary. And people like you. Bringing this hope back to other people is super exciting. And I think it needs to be more mainstream that people can have this conversation, talk about it, and not feel like it's something that needs to be not talked about. I grew up in a house where my dad's a pastor and a missionary and we didn't even talk about sex. You know, it's like that was something that, it was very limited conversations, like, okay, that's something that you wait till you're married and then figure it out then, you know, and, and that's. I know a lot of people don't do that now, but that was the way that, that I grew up. And so this is all new for me. This is a new road that I'm learning all about. And it actually is really exciting and it feels quite liberating too, to be able to get in touch with my sexuality, to understand it. I, you know, went through a divorce a couple years ago. And it's like I realized I am responsible for me. When I was in my early 20s, I used to think about, okay, I didn't know anything about that area down there. I never looked down there, really even touched it. But then you expect some guy to come in and just know everything and he's not even a woman. Yeah, he doesn't, he's never experienced that. He doesn't have that feeling. But we expect them to know what to do. Hey, you're the one that's supposed to please me. You need to know what to do. And now I kind of feel bad, like, wow, if I don't know myself intimately and what I need, how can I expect someone else to know what I need? And how can I expect someone else to take care of me there? So now it's just like this whole new world to open up and realize that this, we have this empowerment as women to take care of ourselves, to nourish ourselves on that mental, physical, emotional level. And I know from what you got, you and I have talked about, you know, women come in to see you, and it's. You're almost like a therapist in a way too. You're not just the md because there's so much more behind it. It's deeper.

Yeah, it's always deeper. And I applaud you for, for bringing this up because, you know, it's not easy, again, as you said, to talk about it. And people feel like, as I said, this is normal. But then they also feel they don't want to talk about it because they should be happy what they have and they should be okay with status quo. But then there's always this fear, you know, as women get older, it's this fear of keeping that relationship healthy again. And so if they are not able to have sex for all these reasons we discussed, whether it's dry is super uncomfortable for them. They feel obligation. Some, some women feel obligation to have sex because they don't want to not please the partner or they don't want to have the husband, you know, find relationship elsewhere or whatever that might be. And I think it's important for women to know that these options are out there, but also to feel comfortable to say, okay, like, I'm gonna do this for me, I'm gonna do this for myself. And it will make me more confident, but also make me. It's not. Don't feel guilty about it. This is, I guess my, is. My point is it's okay to seek other things that you feel that, you know, a lot of people, especially women trying to hide a lot of things, they, they tend to put a lot of things underneath the rug, so to speak, and they feel like if they did something, it was not, they can't do it on their own. And, and it's okay. Like I tell people it's okay to, to get these things or to do these things for their own health. Like, I think it's super important for their own health, number one. But it's also important for their own relationship, their own self confidence to know that they are still the same person, they can still fulfill some of the people feel a huge sense of responsibility from that standpoint. I feel a lot of women do and also do it for themselves. Don't do it for the other person. If you're doing it for the other person, then perhaps we consider that relationship. Right, but. But if you're doing it for yourself and you eat the healthiest you can and do the things, the right things for yourself, I think it's super important. So I applaud you for bringing this up because I think it's a. It's a subject that's not talked about a lot, you know. So.

Yeah, it's not. I mean it's something that honestly I didn't even know about. I had a friend over who was probably upwards over 50 years old and had had a couple kids and we were jumping on the trampoline and she was like, oh, I just feed my pants. And I'm like, what do you mean you just peed? You know, it's something that I didn't have this awareness that that even happened that, you know, I'd heard of incontinence and things like that, but had no idea that this actually affects people's lives. Like your patient that you said that loved to play tennis but she didn't want to go anymore. And so it's taking away from people's lives. And then even like you were talking about the young girls in the dressing room and how they feel so self conscious and it can go beyond just the way that they look, but actually how it's affecting their life and how the functionality of how they feel and when they sit down and all of the things that may that it made an intrude on. So I think that it's so exciting to really have this conversation and really bring it up and really get deeper. You had talked a little bit about the amniotic fluid. Can you tell us a little bit more about what that does when you inject the amniotic fluid into the vaginal wall? What's happening there?

So I think the basis of it is regeneration. And the reason why we inject amniotic fluid. I like embolic fluid some people inject. PRP is also known as O shot for P. The originally known by the o shot. So Dr. Runnels is kind of. Dr. Runnels invented the OSHA and what it meant was taking your blood, spinning it, getting a PRP injected in certain areas to help with regeneration of those areas. In some people, PRP is not great or we want to use something that's more robust so the amniotic fluid has growth factors. And we're trying to do a few things by injecting amniotic fluid. Think about. There's two. Two things we're trying to improve. One is nerves, where the nerves have. Where they say, okay, why organisms are not as intense anymore or the sensation is not as good anymore. So there's one regeneration. One aspect of regeneration with growth factors is nerves. The other aspect is the tissues that surround the bladder, support the bladder, and that's the urine incontinence part. And so we would inject amniotic fluid into those areas to help the tissue produce more collagen, you know, get more support, get more blood flow and regenerate the lining and the supporting structures and the nerves. It works very well. Radio frequency. I like to do that together because I think about amniotic fluid as a fertilizer because it's growth factor and then the radio frequency bringing up blood flow and like bringing water. So I'm getting blood flow in there and I'm putting some fertilizer in there. Together it works very well, and it can help help again, regenerate some of the lack of collagen and support for urine incontinence. And then also the nerves to get improved sensation. The O shot specifically we inject into the vaginal wall where the nerves come out, and then we also inject it around the clitoris, and that helps with the sensation as well.

So when you talk about injecting my clitoris or injecting my vaginal wall, that just makes me like, sends chills up and down my spine. Right. I mean, it's like, okay, so tell me more about that every day, right? Yeah, first of all, yeah, so that's like, wow, a painful. So how do you alleviate that from. Or do you just feel the injection?

So I think 100% of women that come in have the same feeling like you just did. Like, what are you doing? Why are you putting a needle? You're putting a needle where that anxiety is like 10 out of 10. Because it is a super sensitive area. And they're putting something with a sharp point in there. 100% women feel that way. 100% women leave the office saying, oh, not bad at all. From a scale 1 to 10, anxiety is 10 out of 10. From a scale 1 to 10, the injection itself is about 2 out of 10.

Okay.

It's really not bad for a variety of reasons. One, around the clitoris, like, I do certain things to alleviate the discomfort. We put numbing cream over the clitoral body. Then we do a little thing called clitoral block where we put lidocaine in the area where it blocks the nerves to clitoris. So the discomfort is very, very low from the standpoint. And then the injection to the vagina, there is no nerve endings in there, so they feel pressure and no, like, real pain. And so most women will go in there with a high anxiety level, and when they leave, they're like, it's not going to be bad. So we do everything. And I would say most women. I would say at least 90% of women walk out saying it was probably a two or three out of ten. And. And it's really not so bad. It's just a thought of it will.

Probably go, oh, my gosh. Yeah. I mean, really, if you think about it, like, most people probably listening to this are like, okay, yeah, that thought, great. You can do all these things, but I would never. Yeah, take a needle there.

Right.

I mean, that's what I'm thinking. So I'm sure most other people are thinking that. Well, hi, Bod. Okay, so that's good to know. So you use the. The topical numbing, and then you use lidocaine to. To block that. Because, I mean, as we know, isn't the clitoris the. The mo. There's the most sensation in any part of a female body? Is there? I mean, it's like, absolutely. That's everything. So that's awesome. And I love that you can add, but that it's adding sensation later. So that's. That's really. I'm really excited about this. So.

Yeah, I'm really excited, too, Tracy. If I'm gonna add some peptides to that, that's super excited about.

Oh, yes. Okay, so tell me about the peptides that you're gonna add.

We're gonna do the. The Oshot reinvented. That's one of the things I'm working on right now. We're working on some concepts, and we're going to add the whole. All the knowledge we have on peptides into the O shot. I think super interesting and super exciting.

Okay, so you're going to be adding peptides to the O shot, and then you were talking something about possibly Quinton or what are you going to be doing with that with the Quinton?

So Quinton, we've been using it for our injections. So rather, it's like Quinton is so amazing to get things talking to each other. And the vial is sterile, so it would make sense to use Quinton rather than a regular saline to mix our amniotic fluid and to get, you know, for our injection. So that's what we've been doing. Also started with structuring the Quinton, which I learned from you. Yay. I'm so excited about that because, as you mentioned, maybe you can mention a little bit about how structuring affects the. The actual minerals.

Well, we love to. So you're. You're using the UMH there. Is that what you're doing?

So we are taking the isotonic Quinton and restructuring it, and then we're using it for surgery.

Oh, my gosh. Okay. So when you vortex something, you. Especially using the umh, it's using the sacred geometry, the golden meme, Fibonacci sequencing. And what that's doing is it's bringing back the life force, the vitality. Now, the double tip ampoule already has that in it. But when you're. I can't even imagine what would happen if you added that. I mean, it's going to be. I am so excited to see what happens there because the double tip ampule already has this life force and this energetic value to it that we really. It's something that hasn't even been quantified yet. It's something that we know. Okay, these 78 trace elements, we know what that does to the body. We can really add some quantitative value to that. Do studies. They've done so many studies, like with the pig, taking the blood out of the pig and infusing the isotonic back into it, and then the pig comes back to life, and then taking the blood out of the pig again and trying to put the pig's own blood back in, and the pig still died. So there is this energetic value, this vital life force that is in the canton that we still have yet to discover what it is. But we know that we can feel it. We know we see the effects back to Renee Quinton in the. In early 1900s, when he was using this to. During great times of great pandemics, and he was able to help keep many young children and many people regain their life back with the Quinton. So you using that in your injections and what you're doing and putting it through the umh, I mean, I'm excited to hear what's going to start happening, because taking a regular saline solution, I know that the saline solution is. Is just so limited in what it can do, but to take Quinton with all the 78 trace elements and the vital force in it and put it back in somebody's body, we Know that.

That person, something amazing is going to happen.

We know that it's creating new life. It's creating that. It's giving the building blocks for that person to regenerate, whatever they need to regenerate. Just like the studies that have been done on a salamander, how they'll cut off a, you know, portion of the salamander and it grows back. We've learned that it's the vital, energetic force that's in that. And if we have that inside of these quinoton vials, when you're doing surgery on someone, we know that that person's gonna have the odds stacked towards them for healing, whereas maybe they wouldn't. The odds would have been stacked against them prior. So it's. It's really exciting to talk to people like you who are on the forefront and knowing. It's crazy how it's not even new. It's something that was being done in the early 1900s, but now we're bringing it back and it was lost. It was lost for so long.

Right.

And now we have doctors like you who get this, who understand it, and who can marry this bioenergetic medicine, which is the future of medicine, with the standard allopathic medicine that we have right now. Bring the two together and make some magic.

Yeah, the magic's there already.

The magic's there already, right? Yeah. You're an alchemist, though. You know, you're. You're combining these two.

It's fun. It's. It makes sense. And a lot of things that we know from before we should. We are bringing back into modern medicine. You know, it worked before. It made sense before. I don't know what happened, that we never used it or never. I don't know how we lost it, but it's definitely making a comeback. And we want to capitalize on all the abundance that we have and our natural world. But also things that people, as you said in the 1900s, used, that worked. It made sense to me. So super excited that we are, you know, we are again trying to bridge that gap between, you know, regenerative medicine and what we do today. I think that's super important.

Yeah. And I feel that allopathic medicine, that there were so many great things, so many advancements in medicine. I mean, America, when you. Our emergency medicine is probably one of the best in the world, but as far as our preventative care, it's probably one of the worst. And so if we can take what we're really good at, the emergency medicine, and really say, okay, we know what we're good at, but now let's find out what we're not good at and get better at that. And that's what you're doing. You're really taking what we're good at and saying, okay, but now we need to find out this holistic view of, let's look deeper at that, let's understand that, let's bring that into the whole thing. And now when you have us in the United States being the best with our emergency medicine, and then bringing in these different modalities and these different ancient rituals that have been around forever, and then bringing that back, the vital life force, the prana energy, the chi, like whatever you want to call it, there's different names for it, but we do know that there was something that we weren't able to really quantify or measure with machines or some sort of apparatus, but that everyone knows is there. When you take a walk on the beach, everybody knows that you feel something, you feel alive again, you feel energized. And what is that? Maybe it's something that we're starting to be able to quantify. But, but in the past when we weren't able to quantify it, it was like, okay, well, since we can't use some apparatus to measure this, we're going to say that that doesn't exist. And now we're coming back and saying, no, it does exist. And we want to bring merit to it. We want to start to use that. Hey, tell your patients, you know, after you have this surgery, I suggest you walk on the beach every day, 45 minutes. Because we know studies are showing that 45 minutes of walking on the beach is going to reduce inflammation in the body. When you've had surgery, your body's going to be inflamed, your body's going to be healing and it needs, it needs that support. The support from the earth, the support from the energy from the earth, the magnetism. And then also when you're walking on the beach, that exchange of the ionic exchange when the bottom of your feet pulling the toxins out and then re energizing you with the minerals from the oce.

Yeah, I mean, you said it very well. So, yeah, there's just so much to healing.

There's so much to it. But let's bring back what is is that has always been there, but that we just kind of poo pooed maybe for a while and said, oh, no, I think it's the pride. We got so much words like, now we have these machines and this technology and the microscope, and we can measure things and we can look at things, and if we can't see it, then it's not there. And that's just so far from the truth. Now let's get back to, you know, what Nikola Tesla was talking about and all of the amazing ancients far before him that were educating us. And now we. We're realizing, all right, this is. This is important.

Yeah, I mean, it's definitely making a comeback now. I mean, you can see, I mean, Nicholas, talking about Nikolas Tesla. Ozone. Right. It's Is making such a huge impact in medicine right now. And the stuff that I've seen, the stuff that I've used ozone for and the stuff I've done, if I knew it 10 years ago, like, I think people, a lot of people, I could help more people. And all that stuff is coming back. Like, I know that people embracing it. And it will come back. And it's about time, because I think that just so much value and all that stuff and. Very well said, Tracy. I mean, I think, you know, there's just so much out there that we need to kind of recapture and use today.

So tell us a little bit about the ozone for our listeners that don't know much about it and what it does tell us how you're using it and what the benefits are.

So we use ozone for different things. But ozone is basically very unstable molecule that's made of oxy. You probably know oxygen is O2 and ozone is O3. So they take two oxygen molecules and they're true ozone generator, and they make O3, which is ozone. And I mean, we use it in our practice for many things. We use it in a functional medicine, regenerative medicine capacity. But what we have found is ozone is very, very good in boosting the immune system. So around Covid, I think the first from March to June, I think we had people coming in all the time for ozone to boost their immune system, you know, just to make sure that they're healthy. So that's one way of using ozone. But in surgery, we're using it to help heal and help people heal faster because it oxygenates the blood and it increases oxygen utilization. So blood supplies everything in surgery. So if we can, with everything we're doing now for. For the surgery in the intimate areas, we are able to cut down healing by 30%, which is huge for me, because we can get people back to work sooner. We can get people enjoying the stuff they do sooner. Just giving the body more oxygen to heal. And then all the stuff that Goes on with the immune system too, is super important. So we love it. We use it in multiple different ways, but it's a very important tool in our practice.

And so when you talk about the immune system, we know that we want to modulate the immune system. Right. Because the immune system can be too overreactive or under reactive. And so the goal is modulating. So maybe when some people hear this and you say like activating the immune system, is that something they should be worried about?

Yeah. So modulating is a great word. That's what we want to do. We want to keep the immune system in balance. There's certain times we want the immune system to work. Like if you got a virus, you want the immune system to work and attack the virus, but you also don't want the immune system to attack everything it sees. And when it attacks everything it sees, and they can't differentiate between the enemy and a friend, that's when autoimmunity happens, because it attacks the enemy and then it attacks its own tissue. And that's where autoimmunity happens. So modulating is a great word because you want to keep the immune system very resilient, but very ready to work if it needs to. It's kind of the word that, it's flexible, that if it needs to work, it does its work. We need the immune system to work, but we need to turn off when it's time to turn off. So modulating is amazing. It's a great word to describe that.

Yeah. And the ozone just. It's a temporary thing. You're using it, you're activating, you're getting everything turned on. So that if there's anything that isn't a friend, it's taking care of it, right?

Yeah. But the ozone is. It helps in a different way. So there are many ways to do ozone, but it also helps. It also kills virus and bacterias and things like that in a way that can very be helpful in people with like chronic infections. But it is. It turns on the switch for a period of time and then it turns off. So that's why I like it. And a lot of times if people who have autoimmunity, they may not be able to turn off. So we may have them come back in the next day and do antioxidant like IV or something like that, because they may not be able to turn off. But eventually the ozone will help modulate the immune system in a way that it can help your body kind of do its own thing at the right time. But it's just one step of the process. Ozone itself is not it. But ozone plus other nutrients, plus other peptides and all other things we're doing can help modulate the immune system.

I love that. That's awesome. So there's different ways of doing ozone. I know that you can do. The machine you're talking about, the 10 pass machine you can do. You were talking about another one today where you. It like it went through the whole bloodstream. And that was so ozone dialysis. Ozone dialysis, right.

Yeah. So the basis of is we are taking the blood and we're mixing it with ozone. We don't put ozone directly into the vein. So that has been shown to be inferior and cause have issues. So the way that. The way to do ozone in the blood is a process called mah or major autohemotherapy, where they take the ozone and they put it into the blood that's outside the body. So that's a simple way of doing it. You can put it on the gravity. And the next step up is. Is a hyperbaric ozone where the ozone is run through the machine several times and is under hyperbaric. So there's just definitely more ozone being given because you can run it multiple times and it's under hyperbaric oxygen. And then the third way that you had kind of brought up earlier is ozone dialysis, where it's a kind of the. The top. The supremacy or whatever you might call it of ozone, where the. There is a filter or a. Yeah, it's a filter that. That filters out a lot of bad stuff. So it's great for autoimmune issues and things like that. Where the surface area of the blood that's being exposed to ozone is very high. So think about it like an oil change. So about half the body's blood has run through that ozone machine. So it's been in exposed to ozone, where you get the blood oxygenated, but more importantly gets rid of some of the antibodies and the inflammatory proteins and things like that. And that's fil it out. So that's helpful in some people.

Yeah, that seems like that would be amazing for anybody who's suffering from autoimmune issues. And I know that that is just so prevalent right now. Autoimmune is on the rise because of the environment that we live in. And to top it off, all of the stress that people are under right now and not managing it well. And so that can give people a lot of hope, I'm sure. So it's called ozone dialysis. Okay. And is that something that is legal in all states, or do people have to go somewhere special to get it done?

A lot of these ozone therapies are not FDA approved. And so a lot of people that do these know they're looking for therapies that may not be FDA approved for their reasons, but they're still seeking them out in terms of options.

Okay.

And so that's something that, you know, people need to know that's not a standard of care type therapy, that insurance is not going to cover it. It's, you know, it's not significantly specifically FDA approved, but it's getting more traction and more people in the medical community using it for various reasons. And it's. It's been working, but making sure that, you know, you're doing it the right way and not going to the right places to do it, and then not harming yourself in the process.

So how would somebody know that they're going to the right place and someone's doing it right?

That's a good question. So the person that really made ozone or help train a lot of physicians in the United States is a doctor by the name of Frank Shallenberger. And he created a training program that many doctors do go to his courses. And, and if you have been trained, you've been certified on a right way to do ozone therapy, there's a website people can go is aot. And a lot of people that have been trained, their names will be on that list. So, you know, at least that those doctors have, have been thought the basics and some of the things that goes along with ozone therapy. So that's the first step that I would, I would make sure that, you know, you want to go someone at least who knows the basics and some of the. And been certified in the way to do it. And then some of the more advanced therapies that you just would have to. A lot of people go by word of mouth, but, you know, other doctors, referrals and things like that, making sure that that's, you know, a safe place to go and, you know, you're getting the right kind of treatments.

Wow. Well, thank you so much for all of the wisdom that you shared with us today. I know that so many people's lives are going to be blessed and enhanced because of you and all of the things you're doing to contribute. And I'm just so grateful for you. If people want to know more about you, where can they find you?

They can always come to Scottsdale. Find me. But so we have a website. It's oninstitute.com and probably the easiest way to find us there is just go to our website and contact us that way.

So It's o n ginstitute.com.

Yeah.

All right. Well, thank you so much for being with us today, Dr. Ong, and we'll look forward to we're going to go on a little hike right now. So. Hey, everyone, have a great day. We'll look forward to talking to you soon.

Thank you. Tracy.

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