#110 Brain Regeneration with Dr. Greg Eckel

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Hi, and welcome back to how humans heal. I'm Dr. Donni Wilson, and today I am really looking forward to introducing you to Dr. Greg Eckel. He is a naturopathic physician and expert in brain regeneration. Thank you so much for joining me today, Greg. So good to see you.

Good to see you. Thanks for having me on.

Yes. I mean. Okay, so tell us, what is brain regeneration? What are we talking about here?

Well, what is brain regeneration? It is possible. I'll back up and just kind of give you the story as to how I got into this. So I've been in practice for 21 years here in Portland, Oregon, and clinic coming up in Park City, Utah as well. And, you know, four years ago, I had an event in my life, and the story of basically, Soraya, my wife, died.

And, you know, this woman was otherworldly. You know, six foot one, just a total goddess. I met her 11 years ago and at a outdoor music festival. We were both on the medical staff overseeing thousands of people at a. At a music festival. And we were the Saturday night crew. And I just thought. I didn't know a being could exist on a planet like this woman. It was just. I thought the aliens put her here, like, perfect human woman just for me. Like, they just put her here just for me. And, you know, through time, we. We blended our families. She had three kids, and I had two. We even had a maid named Alice, just like the Brady Bunch.

We created our medical practices together. She was a certified nurse midwife, and I'm an integrative naturopathic physician.

And we bought a house six years ago, and, you know, with moving, things get misplaced. But in particular, there was one orange Fiesta Wear plate that is now etched in my memory. And this plate, Soraya, just could not let it go. It was like, you know, she'd look in the kitchen and the cupboards and out in the hall, then out in the garage and then finally up into the attic and just. It was nowhere to be found. But it wasn't just once. It was like an eerie Groundhog Day. And just over and over and in Fact, it became a conversation with the kids and I around the dinner table, and just like, you know, mom's looking for that plate again. It was like a damn fiesta wear plate. Like, what the wtf, right? Like, it just. And it was multiple times. And we noticed she started repeating stories and telling the same story as if she never said it before. And it was just. It was odd. And, you know, I chalked it up to stress. We just move things get misplaced, right? So kind of just oversaw it, overlooked it, kind of brushed it off. But three months later, my office manager, Chelsea, came to me and said, hey, hey, Doc. Soraya just left the building. I'm like, what are you talking about, left building? Yeah, just traipse through the lobby with the patient sitting there in her lab jacket, stethoscope, just right out the front door. And it was at that moment I knew, like, we needed to do something and do something fast, because it was. Yeah, it was just like, something is definitely wrong here.

You know, I always knew that she was one in a million.

Unfortunately, the experts agreed with me. She was one in a million. She had a diagnosis of Creutzfeld Jacob disease, which is mad cow syndrome in people. It's a brain disorder of prions that are misfolded, and it looks miserable. It's a rapidly progressing dementia.

That it just comes on. She couldn't talk, couldn't feed herself. And three months after that, it was so fast on the progression. And at that point, I didn't want to throw in the towel, but I knew I needed to grow up, I needed to get support. I mean, I had the kids, I had the practice and then caregiving for Soraya. So I called in hospice and really swung for the fence looking for a solution for her. And unfortunately, I didn't find a solution for Soraya. Our hospice nurse said it was most beautiful death she had ever attended.

In such an odd way, that experience has just ripped my heart open and reinstated in such a weird way, my faith in the oneness of all. And really a deep appreciation and understanding of the preciousness of life. And what I found along the way, I codified in a brain regeneration program that I run. And I wrote a book on Parkinson's called Shake It Off. An Integrative Approach to Parkinson's Solutions. While that's not cjd, what I discovered was a lot of neurodegeneration is actually linked to prionic activity, which we can talk about later. And I know I just don't want people to go it alone. I knew that the system was fractured, the medical system. But doing it with your loved one when their life is on the line, it's just. It's painful. And I have a roadmap. I created my fancy approach to brain regeneration. And we're seeing, you know, as we talked about before coming on, I just. We're seeing some amazing things and I just want people to know they're not alone and that there is a lot of folks to help support them on their journey. And so we've got a roadmap for you.

And we created a kind of a program. We created the program to help people through that.

It is so important because maybe you have the exact numbers here, but dementia of various forms, whether we call it cognitive impairment or dementia, whether it's Parkinson's or Alzheimer's or other forms of change in brain function, that it used to be, thought that there was nothing you could do. In some cases, as you're saying, like in Saraya's case, it was progressing so quickly. Sometimes there's not a lot you can do except supportive care. But other cases with brain or neurodegeneration, there's a lot we can do.

Do you know, in terms of how common these conditions are?

Yeah. So unfortunately, all neurodegeneration is on the rise. Blue Cross Blue Shield 2017, their actuarial data, the average age of onset in that system is 47 years old. For dementia symptoms by 2030, in eight years, it's predicted, 50% of all adults over the age of 65 will have some form of mild cognitive impairment, dementia or Alzheimer's. 50% of everybody over 65 years old. So these are not great numbers. That's not uplifting or hopeful, but the message here is if you only do the things, there is no solution for any of the neurodegenerative states. There's not a solution. There's a couple of medications that will help and relieve suffering and get rid of some symptoms for some, not for all.

You mean in like the conventional medical system? Right. It's like you can go, you know, they might give a medication, but sometimes it's when it's more progressed.

Yeah. Currently, for dementia, Alzheimer's, Aricept, it doesn't work really at all, that I've seen clinically.

Parkinson's, you've got Levodopa, Carbidopa, some other kind of derivatives of that, working on dopamine, but it's too far end of the line, symptomatic treatment. And what I. This whole process has just opened me up into the oneness of everything. Like, we're just pretending to be separate right now in this reality. And that may not resonate for a lot of listeners, but in a component of an understanding of how the body works in relationship to our universe, there's this ancient Chinese statement, is you are the universe, and the universe is in you. And I've shortened that to you are the universe, the universe is you. And they understood this. The ancients understood this intimately. They had this awareness and experience, and we are now there's new things with meditations and other components that people are actually having. The understanding of the connection and the oneness. And when you operate from that front, the innate intelligence, I like to say I do a lot of nothing all day. It's the body and the medicine. My job as Dr. Dosseri teacher is to help remove obstacles, to cure and get things out of the way, to allow the intelligence to reorganize into harmonic and into perfect whole. Because that's ultimately, that's who we are. We are. We're love. I mean, we're source and it is one entity. And so again, a little bit hard to go there right out of the gate. But I'll tell you what I've seen is we leave the door open for that to occur. So we have seen stage two Alzheimer's patients where couldn't do one plus one. Retired pharmacist at late 60s. We did our procedure with him. 30 minutes later, he's rattling off multiplication factors. His wife's in tears, leaving the office of like, oh, my gosh. They come back over the next month saying, my husband's back, he's present. And conversation at his humor is back around the dinner table. He's engaging with his grandchildren and remembering his sense of smell came back. It's funny story that they're in the car and he's like, oh, it smells. What's up with the dog smell? And their dog had passed eight months earlier. And Kathy kind of sheepishly says, oh, I didn't clean the car because he couldn't smell. And I just didn't get to it. But it was beautiful. Like, he hadn't had a sense of smell for 15 years. So we know that the nervous system is able to.

Regrow and it's neuroplasticity of making new connections and coming back online where we haven't been able to see this before. So Parkinson's patient Cindy flew here from North Carolina. She had Parkinson's for 10 years. Totally debilitated. Like, couldn't get dressed because her tremor was so bad. Was using a walker, but really stopped walking because she was falling over and hurting herself on the falls. She called me a year after the procedure from the park, said Dr. Eckel, guess what? And I don't like getting calls like that. Guess what? It could be positive, could be negative, right? It was a total positive. She said, my husband just told me to slow down walking in the park. I said, cindy, when is the last time he said that to you? She said, it's been a decade. Like she got her life back. Her daughter didn't. You saw her at the Sunday family brunch and said, mom, I couldn't even tell that you have Parkinson's diagnosis. So no evidence of the disease. And these are the things that are really, they're possible. Like we are living at an exciting time. I'm not saying I'm curing these things at all. Again, I want to be very clear. It's the innate intelligence with the right information reorganizing and healing. Now we hold the space. I know the roadmap, I know the path. I can, you know, I'm a big cheerleader a lot of the time. And you know, we've got, there's a, there's a process and program that we put in place that our producing those results. But it is, you know, these things that were not seen, not known, didn't. We didn't know that we could do that are now possibilities for more and more people.

It's so awesome. And I, if it, if it helps what, what I hear is like, I mean as a naturopathic physician myself, and knowing that in nature bathic medicine we look at the whole body and how it's interrelated. So even from the principles of nature bathic medicine, it makes sense that we're looking at an integrated whole and understanding that also that the body can heal itself. Right? That's another principle of nature biologic medicine. The body can heal when it has the right support. And we support these interconnections and the re patterning of the body and the brain. And then you also have a background in Chinese medicine, which is what you're kind of alluding to before too, where you're, you're taking from this ancient Chinese medicine, this knowledge also of like not just our interconnection within ourselves, but how we relate in the environment and world around us. And that if we, if we can get things synced up, like bring back balance, that our bodies can heal, right. It just promotes that healing capability. So that's what I hear you, you.

Saying, I love that that's a great reflection back and it is that that basic tenet of our medicine is the body can heal itself given the right information and that. You don't really hear that every day on the airwaves, right? It's like, oh. And a component that I really want to speak into is the. We haven't been taught how powerful these things are. I mean, it's. They're amazing. Our bodies are amazing, like our senses and the world, I mean, in gratitude and awe is really the place to come from here. We can't come from a sense of lack or separation because that's the illusion of what is happening out there. And it's you. We see it everywhere. It's like, wow, this is too. There's a lot of suffering out there. But when you tune in to just even your own heart and have just simple moments with yourself of, wow, you know, we're in February right now. It's kind of gray and dark and maybe a little bit cold where you're at, but there is, you know, there's a lot of beauty out there. You know, I like to say one of the things I love to do is watch the trees breathe. I will get out there and just be in observation and awe of just how magnificent. Like, we only have this time for a short period and we can choose what we want to do with it now. It doesn't make it easy. I mean, we can help alleviate a lot of that suffering with, you know, I've got a codified fancy approach, F A N dash C that I want to talk about. Share with your listeners and viewers, because it is, you know, it's a unique process. It's not really anything new, but it's just kind of what I've seen work. We're always iterating that process to get better results, get them faster, get them quicker, get people actually noticing and feeling different and. But it has to start from that part of intentionality. And really what is it that you're doing here? Like, you came to the planet for something. And like, that's what I arrived at with my experience with Soraya was, wow, like, how could this happen? Like, I didn't want my suffering to be for naught. And so I wanted to share what I learned along the way and then also just really just support folks on their journey. You know, I think the more healthy we become as individuals, the more we can access our greatness and really create from our hearts, because that is what we are doing here. Like, that is the world that I want to live in is the more beautiful world our hearts know and desire. Like, but you got to be healthy, you got to have your health for that. And, and so I found just. Okay, well what's been given to me is this. So let's do something with it. Let's do it together.

Yeah, I love it. So what, so fan C, what does it stand for?

That's right. So F stands for functional. A is assessment, N is nerve health and dash C is cellular regeneration. And why I say I specialize in brain regeneration. Everybody wants to know what can I take for my brain? And I have to back them up to first. F is functional medicine, which the way I talk about that is really addressing heart centered beings in the time space. So in this body of matter, you know, ultimately we are all just light beings getting compressed down here. There's a lot of friction down in this body, the matter world. Right. We're all living on the planet and so we got to do something for that.

But we got to address the heart. In Chinese medicine there's no word for mind. Body medicine, it's all heart centered. The emperor or empress. And so we address heart centered beings and everybody wants more love and connection. Like we're created that way. So we start there and then we get into a is assessment. We've got to turn some stones over. Right. It's not about, you know, I've seen so many folks in Parkinson's in particular put on carbidopa, Levodopa and it's fine to take those medications that can really help people with their tremors and their stuckness and stiffness, but it doesn't get at any corrective agent. It's a symptomatic treatment which is important.

For some and really going to heal the nervous system.

It doesn't get into it. And because that's really, that dopamine and dopaminergic receptors, that's the last phase of a disease progression. And so it's like you're rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic. Like you're going down and it's either going to be fast or slow. Right. But you're still going down.

But it's really important to have that perspective and realize like, okay, yeah, does rearrange, rearranging the chairs might help for a little bit. But this Titanic is still, this process is happening. We've got to look at the bigger picture.

Yeah. So we get into that and then we look at the assessment three kind of the three legged stool for the basics in the nervous system. In general brain health, we look at your hormones. I like functional analysis, where you get the metabolites and seeing where they're going. We do blood work with that. Then we look at your microbiome. There's mounds of research data coming. I mean, you know, is the second brain, the brain gut connection. There is a hypothesis in Parkinson's disease, which is very interesting, called the Brock Hypothesis. They took two sets of mice and they looked at. They severed the vagus nerve on one batch of them, and then they implanted alpha synuclein, which is the misfolded protein. And in Parkinson's disease. And those with a severed vagus nerve did not develop Parkinson's disease. Wow.

So the vagus nerve is playing a big role.

Yes. Taking that misfolded protein. So sometimes these neurodegenerative states can happen one to two decades before symptoms of the central nervous system. So looking at. I mean, and these are really common things. Constipation, loss of sense of smell. I mean, these are. Could be. And I'm not saying everybody with constipation has Parkinson's or other neurodegenerative conditions. However, we know that it is connected. And there's more and more research and data, and we also look at the whole ecosystem there. I mean, there are certain things, like Akkermansiae is a gut bug associated with mucus production. Now, some people want to stimulate Akkermansiae as a probiotic in the gut, and others say it's correlated, not causative, but correlated with a Parkinson's state. Well, what does it. What does that bug do? It produces mucus. And in particular in my thought process is, well, it's producing mucus, trying to correct the entity, the intelligence, but because there's some inflammation in the gut. So we. Yeah, so we gotta look at that. I know you. You've been lecturing and talking on that topic for a long time.

It's never. It's always interesting to me, you know, and to. I mean, you're. I really want to point out for people that this gut brain connection, I mean, sometimes people have heard of it, but a lot of times in the conventional medical system, you're going to a different doctor for your brain than for your gut. And they are not communicating with each other yet in your body, the gut and brain are in constant communication with each other. We hear about probiotics, like, okay, you should take a probiotic, but that's not necessarily going to have much influence on, like, say, the Akkermansia. You know, it's not. Again, it Might be to me almost, you know, it's like a. Not to say that probiotics aren't beneficial because there's a lot of studies that show that they are. But it's just a piece of the big puzzle. Like we have to be willing to go, hey, there's, there's, there's testing available as you're saying. There's testing we can do, there's treatments we, there's things we can think about and treatments we can access that could.

Get our hands in the soil, so to speak, and actually start shifting patterns in a bigger way. I think that's what you're saying.

That's totally what I'm saying. You know, if we removed the whole microbiome of the gut, we'd have about four to seven pounds of aerobic and anaerobic bacteria, which is a little bit gross when you think about it, but also essential for our health and that ecosystem. There is so much cell to cell communication and, and absorption, assimilation of nutrients informing the immune system. So you've got immunology that comes into play here around the gut. And then also all of our neurotransmitters are manufactured by a healthy gut flora. And so the neurotransmitters are the programs that melatonin, serotonin, dopamine, these things that make us feel good or sleep, feel pleasure, have fluidity of movement. So it is essential and it's not really getting looked at in the neurologic realm. Like you said, you go to see the neurologist for your brain and nervous system and then you go to see the gastroenterologist for the gut. But they're connected. It's a one, you are whole. That's why we set the stage with talking to you as a heart centered being in that understanding the connections between the systems. So it's not just a one lever approach. We've got to take that whole picture. The third leg of the stool. What I discovered in the neurodegenerative front is heavy are heavy metals and heavy metals. We do pre and post provocative testing. There's a lot of different ways. I'm not a particular fan of the hair analysis alone.

I used to run them both at the same time and they didn't correlate. I think there's some folks that have genetic platforms that can't eliminate the toxins through the hair follicle and so it's not an accurate read. It gives you some sense. But I like if I'm really, you know, if somebody's at the point of pathology in neurodegeneration. We got to go deep.

Specifics.

Yeah, we need some specifics. And not everybody with neurodegeneration has the metals issue. And I use that as kind of a clearance testing to say, do you get an invitation out to camp Nature cures or not. And camp is, you know, it is getting into that nerve health and cellular regeneration, the N and the C. Now there are some other things we look at, you know, Lyme mold. Do you have those components? Because that can also mimic a lot of neurodegeneration and oftentimes is implicated. But the assessment is crucial because people are running out and they're well researched, taking all of the right things and just getting frustrated and not getting results. And so it's really, it is dollars well invested earlier in your process if you or loved ones are on that trajectory just to get a sense as to what's the right path and program for you.

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It makes so much sense. I mean that's what we learn. I mean for those of you who are, you know, in terms of a naturopathic education, we have to learn all of pathology and learn to make a diagnosis. And so what you're saying is, hey, let's diagnose the unique cause of this person's cognitive impairment versus treating all cognitive impairment the same. And you're also saying that, you know, it's worth it to invest in some of these out of pocket tests and practitioners who have this expert experience to help you because you're not going to see this if you're going to the regular doctor's office. They're not probably Going to talk about the microbiome or how to correctly test for metal toxicity. I know too myself, because I trained with Walter Crinion. I know the right way to test for metal toxicity and how to help a person to chelate metals. Even with mold toxicity or any kind of toxicity, we need to be able to assess it, correctly, identify it, and then treat it in a safe and efficient way versus and I mean, I'm with you too often. And we see people who, maybe they're looking for help and they're trying to go to different practitioners, but maybe those practitioners don't have that experience or training. And so they can get lost in that, even in that system. Right, right.

Yeah. Even in a functional medicine approach, folks kind of get into their niches of like, well, this is kind of the program that I'm running. And really you need somebody that's going to look really holistically for you. And it's not just a gluten issue, it's not just a metals issue. It's not, you know, it's not just a probiotic deficiency or imbalance. You know, so those three legs of the stool really set you up then into nerve health. And this whole process, by the way, I did put it in my book Shake It Off. An Integrative Approach to Parkinson's Solutions. But it can be applied for all neurodegeneration. I just picked Parkinson's one because not many people, it's one in a million to have cjd, Crestfield, Jacob disease of what Soraya passed on. But when I got in on the research on cjd, I got the first prionic textbook. And in there we've got alpha synuclein, beta amyloid plaque of Alzheimer's. There's anxiety states are sometimes implicated by misfolded proteins. And so that's how I kind of came into this, of like, well, wait a minute. This is upstream from the end product of the brain. We got to see, well, what's influencing and feeding our brains.

So that gets into the nerve health. And they're, you know, this is where you've got mushroom complexes. You've got the cannabidiol system, the CBD system.

Professor Machulam, we owe him loads and buckets of gratitude for discovering this thing. The endocannabinoid system was not taught in medical school when I went to medical school.

I know, Me neither. Yes. And there's this whole system in the body that we can access and help us heal.

There are more receptors for CBDs than all of the other Neurotransmitters combined and we had no idea, right? So that component, when I say these are amazing vessels that we get to walk around for this amount of time, like I want to help as many people get tuned up and thrive, get back into that body and have the body working the way it's supposed to in wholeness. So that the nerve health, the B vitamins, there's peptides, there's botanicals, you know, all of those components of like, well, what Can I take, Dr. Right. Is a long list. It's a long list and it's like, what's right for you now? Because I see people, you know, they've got the stacks of supplements and I'm taking 100 pills a day. What can I do? It's, you know, I'm overwhelmed. It's like, okay, first let's take a breath.

And we'll sort them. We're going to keep them for you and then we're going to create a zheng of the formula. And this is a Chinese medicine concept. But there's an Emperor Empress, a general and assistance everybody lined up to move you and move your intelligence in a direction. So this is where I really practice less is more because I don't want, I just want to send a signal in and have the intelligence pick it up and move in that direction rather than, you know, kind of treading water is the analogy that I give is when you're taking a, a lot of stuff, it's keeping your head above water, which is good. We don't want you to drown, but you're not getting anywhere, right? So if you feel like that, just know. Okay, well there's a zhong, so we can do like the, you know, the freestyle to get us moving into a direction and then we reassess and then maybe there's a new constellation of information coming into the system that we need at that point to get some wind in your sails and get your ship moving. That's the nerve health. And then really the biggest lever that I discovered in this journey is on cellular regeneration.

We are currently doing very small embryonic like stem cell procedure, which is a laser activated and guided procedure. And V cells. These are cells that I did not learn about in medical school and they were discovered in 2005 by Dr. Radachak at university of Kentucky and in the hubris of western mind is, oh, those are dead cells. Like there's no activity there. They're detrious waste, right? Like, you know, like junk DNA, like there is no such thing as that. Right. It's all important. If it's in here, it's important. And so, having.

Discovered a way to activate these cells now, what are V cells? Very small. V, as in Victor, Very small. Embryonic, like. So they're not embryonic stem cells, but they're embryonic, like. And so they can turn into any tissue of the body. These are cells that we were formed in utero in our mother's bellies.

They helped on the three levels of the cellular formation. And. And then they go dormant when we're born. Occasionally they get activated when there's a stress in particular around the heart, they'll come and get activated to repair, and then they go back into dormancy. Well, we discovered by passing a laser through our plasma. So it's like it's just the plasma of the blood. We collect the blood, we separate the plasma, and then we activate. The V cells are in there. And we can know because there's a salt bond that gets broken. And once that salt bond is broken on the cel, they become active, and we put those back into the body and then direct with the laser where the cells are going.

And so why do we do that? It was discovered in the lab, they were doing some research on stem cells, and they had a laser beam going through aqueous solution, and they had stem cells in the fluid. They shut the experiment down, turned the lights off, went home for dinner, came back in the morning, and to their surprise, they actually saw the stem cells aggregated in suspension around that area where the light was. Right where the light was. So there was a resonance left where the light was that attracted the cells to it. We triangulate and create nodes of light in the body where we want the cells to go, and we direct them that way with light. I'm of firm belief, and there's more and more research and data to support it beyond belief is that.

Frequency is the future of healing, of our health, of us as sovereign, free beings even.

Because that's what the laser is, you're saying is like this frequency of.

Light?

Yes. Yeah. All of our cells, mitochondria, are light receptors. So we're lighting up mitochondria, where, you know, our cells emit light. Now we can measure that as well, if they're functioning well. So the laser is really super fascinating. Developed by Dr. Todd Ovocatis. He's got the process. I sit on their advisory board in developing protocols and programs with them. And I mean, there's just on the laser itself, actually on the B cell procedure, recently published paper on 10 cardiac patients not dealing with the brain. But I wanted to share this with your listeners and viewers and you.

These 10 individuals in Armenia were needing a heart transplant. Their ejection fracture was less than 10% in conventional treatment for that. Basically you get 15% ejection fracture. Still really low cardiac output. Treated the heart with this procedure.

Five years later, of the 10, six of them are still alive. Two of them passed, which they were pretty far progressed into cardiovascular illness and close to death, but six of them are still alive. They didn't change any of their lifestyle or behaviors. These are drinkers and smokers. One of the individuals, 110% improvement of the heart. All of them up to a functionality.

Experience of their heart. Like they don't have any, they're not needing the heart transplant. Like truly remarkable. So, yes, small.

So these little cells, we direct them to where we want them to go and then they basically like reestablish healthy tissue in that area.

Yeah, yeah.

That's amazing.

Yeah. So it's like bringing in a new conductor for your innate intelligence. And you know, that's one piece of the process in the cellular regeneration where we're doing hyperbaric oxygen and we're doing photobiomodulation with PEMAF and light therapies, low level laser therapies, acupuncture, Chinese botanicals, we've incorporated in bioenergetic resonance. So we're treating the biofield and the energetic space around the body as well. Just to help have the innate intelligence. Remember? No, this is the healthy state over here.

Here's what balance looks like, here's what alignment looks like, here's what you know, and it's, I, I'm just really loving it because it's like one of the ways that I, you were talking about nature before and how much you love to just be in nature. And I, I, the way I always think about it is our brains have an innate.

Receptivity to what's in nature. So the colors, the patterns, the symmetries, even without us realizing it, if we're either in nature or even looking at a picture, I'm looking at the picture behind you of nature. We're seeing shapes and colors that already tell our nervous system how to get back into balance, recover from stress and kind of realign all of our messages, whether hormones, neurotransmitters, all of the receptors. And what you're describing is helping people know. There's all these other techniques and technologies that have been developed that do some of that same thing in different ways. And you've kind of pulled it all together in one clinic and one treatment approach and said, hey, come here. And we can expose your body to these different healing, realigning techniques, right?

Yeah. Yeah. That coherence of remembering what health healthy is, because that is the innate intelligence wants its whole. It is connected, it's in love. Like, there's a good vibration to that even. But there's a lot of things that kind of get us separated or further from that source where that's where the disease patterns start to really show up in this matter physical form. And so we just need to unravel it or remind the body back to its beginning step, which is really in health and thriving. I mean, that's where we should be.

Oh, my gosh. I love it. So when people, like, say they want to reach out to you or meet with you, and I know you have your two different locations between Utah and Oregon, but where do people go to learn more and connect with you about how you might be able to help them?

Yeah, what I'd love to do is offer a gift of qigong. So I studied. So naturecuresclinic.com nature singular cures with an sclinic.com for right now. And what we'll do, we're going to send over a link for you to just to share some qigong. And qi is energy and gong is work. And at the beginning of my studies of Chinese medicine, I had the opportunity to go to Sichuan province and up into Eastern Tibet, a region called Kham, where the Dalai Lama spirit is fabled to have originated. And Chinese have since taken Mount Chenrezig off the maps because they don't want the Tibetan Buddhist going to circumambulate the mountain and honoring the Dalai Lama spirit. But I got to go and study at the base of this mountain. And I studied. My teacher, Master Wong is lineage holder of Jinjang School, which is muscle tendon changing school of qigong or energy work. And he shared some case studies of in the hospitals working with paralyzed patients of them just visualizing cloud hands, which is a movement of the hands coordinating the right and left hemisphere of the. Of the brain. I have this written in my book, but I also have these videos that I want to share. So you're, you're welcome to just go and download those and practice this. So I wanted to give a practical what can I do today? So we've got that for, for your listeners and viewers. And I also, as a bonus, there's a super brain yoga, something that I'll do like, if I'm on the road or it's coordinating again, the right, left hemisphere of the body and brain to then coordinate that information into the system. So that movement is really crucial for brain health. But that's, that's the starting spot. Dr. Donnie is, you know, they can engage there where we are on the interwebs. I love educating. We do brain regeneration summits. We've got a big bioenergetics summit coming up in November of 2022. That's where we are, 2020.

And, you know, we've got a lot of opportunities. You're also welcome to reach out to the clinic and set up a consult along those lines with my team of physicians, et cetera.

Now I'm wondering, and I'm thinking that maybe listeners might be thinking this too. Like, when's the right time to start working on this? Because, like, I mean, I know, like, I. A lot of times I'm talking to patients who maybe have been taking care of their loved one who had Alzheimer's, and they're now thinking, oh, gosh, what can I do to prevent, you know, now, you know, say this is their parent and they're, you know, they've got like 20, 30 years before they're going to be that age and they start to think, oh, my gosh, I don't want to go through that.

Right.

Or, or like you mentioned some of these kind of beginning symptoms that could possibly be signs of early cognitive impairment. But, like, what would you say? What, what is that? When should a person contact you?

Yeah, so it's kind of like that old Chinese adage of when's the best time to plant a tree? So, number one, 50 years ago, 100 years ago. And if you haven't done that, then today is the best time to start because it is. You got to get into action. Because if you're just doing the same things, you know what, 96% of our thoughts are the same thoughts that we had yesterday. And if you're not liking how you're feeling or you're worried about what your future looks like and you just keep doing the same stuff day in and day out, well, it invariably may happen to you because there's no newness, there's no new energy, there's no new information, there's no change.

The same, whatever you're thinking now is going to manifest itself at some point.

It will continue to go down that route because it's the same thoughts you had yesterday. I mean, so many people, you ask them, how are you Doing. Oh, how's today? Oh, it's okay so far.

What were you expecting it to be? Right or like, I found the other thing I've been asking is, you know, what do you do for joy? As if joy has been outlawed these days. We're not allowed to have. Right.

Like, they don't. They can't answer it. I'm like, we have this life once. Like, we need to get engaged and you know, the calvary, they're not. They're not showing up for us like we are. We're able to do this. We could do it together. I, like I said, I'm a big cheerleader. I've got my whole team trained to help support folks in making changes. I know it's. It can be difficult. It can be easy, too. Like I mentioned on the Alzheimer's. Person with Alzheimer's, in 30 minutes, they got their brain back turned back on. I cannot claim that again. And I'm not saying, like, this is 100% of the time that we do it, but it does work and we see it work and.

We'Re there to support. Like, that's what we're all doing out here, you know, education and offering some opportunities and just to get curious and step into that unknown. Because I know a lot of folks are not talking like this about how the body can heal, but we are seeing it. And I am just, you know, we are coming out of the closet with it. It's like, we got to start sharing this because it is. The possibility exists now, and we are living at an amazing time and just get engaged. The first step, just take a little step. Call contact, get in touch with Dr. Donnie. Like, we are here to help in whatever way. If we are not a good fit, we are going to try to find you somebody that is a good fit for you. Right? Not everybody. We don't accept everybody. Right. I am rather picky at 21 years into practice because I just want people that are motivated for change, they want it. They are sick and tired of being sick and tired. And we are going to go for it together.

Well, one of the challenging things with cognitive impairment that I see is as it progresses, you become less able to make change. Like it's right. It kind of those abilities to even change your diet or change your daily routine, it gets more and more fixed. So.

If you know it's in your family history or you already are thinking, gosh, this is something I want to pay attention to and prevent earlier is better. Because if it progresses, it somehow it becomes harder to make the choice to change, I think, I don't know. Do you see that too?

Oh my gosh, yeah. You know, more and more I'm seeing a whole bunch of 20 to 30 year olds that get this. They get it. They're seeing their parents and then their grandparents go through aging process and losing their minds to dementia. And it's super sad. I mean just, it really is. Like it just robs the person of their beingness. Right. Like the shell is there but they're just not there. And so to prevent it, I think it's so wise now. Doesn't mean if you're not in your 20s or 30s anymore that there's no hope. There's a lot of things that we can do together. Some. But you know, change sometimes, you know, we get stuck in our ways and that's a choice. We have a choice to stay there or get curious and explore something new. And that's the opportunity right there. It's like if you're open, this is resonating with you. Just reach out and let's see what happens and go for it.

Well, especially I would think too, like if, you know, there's more you want to do with your life or you have a passion and this purpose that's just burning to happen. But you need your mind and body to work with you, to be working in order for you to be able to share that and serve people and do what it is that you're meant to do in this life, you know, so if you're feeling that, then it's like, okay, let's help you make that happen.

Yeah, let's, you know, stack the odds in your favor. Right. There aren't any guarantees out there. However, we know if you don't do anything, what will happen, we know it's just you're going to get more of the same and or progress and on conventional land on neurodegeneration is you're going to decline and it's whether it's going to be fast or slow, we don't know, but you're going to decline. So they've already just given like there's no hope for you. You're going to get worse. And that's very depressing. It's isolating, it's overwhelming, all of those things. I know I went through it firsthand with a loved one with her life on the line and it sucked. You know, it sucked and it, I don't want people going through it alone, you know, we don't have to. There is support out there. We've got online programming, education and actually, you know, real people pick up the phone when you call us.

Aw, it's so awesome. Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much, Greg. And again, I'll put the links, you know, with this episode so everybody can find you at the Nature Cures Clinic. Oh my gosh, it's been awesome getting to talk with you and hear about what you're up to and how you're helping people. And yes, anyone listening, you know, if this resonates, definitely reach out to Dr. Greg Eckel and check out his book as well, the Shake It Off Parkinson's book. I love it. And thank you again so much for joining me here today.

Oh, honor and a pleasure. Thank you.

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