#41 Changing the Way We Help Children with Anxiety and Stress – With Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge

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Hi, and welcome. I'm so glad to introduce you today to Dr. Roseanne Kaponihaj. She's a psychologist of over 30 years, and she specializes in helping children with their mental health. In fact, she's the founder of the Global Institute of Children's Mental Health and a media expert out there talking about how we can help children with their mental health in different ways than we may have in the past. Thank you so much for joining me. Dr. Well, thank you, Dr. Donney.

So excited to have this conversation with you.

It's so important, and you know how much I love to talk about stress, but I don't always have the opportunity to talk about stress for children and how that shows up for them and how we can help them with it, especially in times like now, during the pandemic. What inspired you to do what you do to help children in this way?

Yeah, well, you know, first of all, I just have to say that, you know, it started with a calling and that I myself was a young child at 5, and somebody asked me what I wanted to do, and I said I wanted to be a psychiatrist. And then I realized they were pill pushers, and I changed that to psychologist. So it really was not in anything that I knew was really just something that I understood that I had to be. And so when I went into mental health in undergraduate, you know, working in psychiatric facilities, you know, tutoring kids in impoverished areas and whatnot, I decided, you know, I really love working with kids, and they're an underserved population. And a lot of, you know, there's a lot of mental health professionals in the world doing good work. There's not a lot of mental health professionals working with kids, particularly kids under age 10. So what really is inspiring my work today is I'm on a mission to.

Change the way we view and treat.

Children'S mental health, because even prior to.

The pandemic, things were bad for kids.

So one in two children in America have a physical or mental health problem.

And so it's inescapable. And I know you work with a lot of moms and women, Donni.

So when we talk about mental health of kids, it's our parents and especially our moms that are stressing themselves out, blowing out their adrenals and their thyroids.

Losing sleep, crying, and just wondering what.

The heck to do with their kids. I mean, this is really a crisis that of course affects our kids, but it affects our families and especially our mamas.

And I started working with kids long.

Before I had my own K.

Oh my gosh, completely. So I, you know, I've actually been married 25 years and I have a 15 and a 10 year old. So we were out having a good old time and traveling and doing things before we had kids and also finishing school and sort of establishing ourselves in our career. So, you know, I was always working with kids. And of course I get two special needs kids of my own. You know what I mean? That's the way it works.

So then you really had to learn how to help them. Thank goodness you had your background.

Thank good. I had. Thank goodness I had the background. It's not easy though, Dottie.

You know, it doesn't matter.

You still have the same pain points. You know, my one child has Lyme and pans, which is very difficult, an arduous journey at best. And you know, he got Lyme at 22. And so, you know, you're talking, you know, this was many, many years ago, about 14 years ago and actually 14 years ago this month. And, and what happened was, you know, it was even worse 14 years old years ago when you had Lyme today.

Knew less now then than we do now.

Yeah. And I had already been working with folks with Lyme for 10 years before my own child had it. It's just we knew so much less and very little about with kids. And my kid got it in December. So we were still operating under the assumption that you couldn't get infectious disease. But here's what happens. You still, as a parent, it doesn't matter what your background is. You still worry, you still search for options. You still wonder who's sitting with them at lunch, how is the bus? What are they turning in papers? What are they doing? This is what makes us stuck.

And you know, our kids have a.

Lot more pressure on them than we ever did.

A lot more.

A lot more.

They're not allowed to make mistakes and they're supposed to get perfect grades.

And then they're supposed to do more than just their school day.

Absolutely. After school, lots and lots of activities. We didn't go to activities like that. Heck no. We had Jobs.

Which I loved. And they also have every single thing they do documented on social. I mean, I don't know about you, but I'd be in a whole heap of trouble if my life, my teenage years were documented on social.

I would definitely be in trouble, too. Yeah. Yeah. You start to think about it like, my daughter, by the way, just turned 18.

Yeah.

So it's. It just thinking back over the years through, you know, through her childhood.

It.

I agree with you. I think that there's. There's so much pressure and expectation and there's very little help for. For dealing with. Like, I would. I wish there was more support for stress recovery in schools. Like, there's so much research on the benefits of yoga and meditation. Thankfully, some schools are integrating that, but not every school, they're doing detentions and, you know, different consequences that can create more stress.

Right. Oh, I mean, you know, there's stress in so many ways.

Right.

So, you know, schools are a pressure cooker for stress. Then outside of school, we have parents that are pushing along because they're told, this is what we need, our kids.

Which is what you're supposed to do as a parent.

Yeah. Your kid's supposed to be a straight A student so they can get into the best schools. And you get into the best schools. You know, it's guaranteed you're going to be successful and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, you have to be an AP class, you have to be in this, you have to be in that. And what's happening is they're prioritizing grades.

And academics and not mental health. And, you know, parents, I mean, one of this platform, one of the things that I am really big about is teaching parents about this.

But most importantly, what can they do.

To reverse mental health symptoms? But I think if we back it up, Donnie, they don't even know what it looks like.

Yeah, let's talk about that. What is it? How to know if your child is feeling anxious or depressed. What is that? What might that look like? Or how do you find out?

So regardless of the age of your kid, whether you have a young child or a child that's in their early 20s, most kids are going to show you their stress. They're not going to come up to you and be like, mom, I've had a rough day. I really think I'd like to make an appointment with a therapist.

You know, and so that is such a misnomer that they're going to have the words. So they're going to give us the physical cues. They're going to have sleep problems, they're going to have headaches, they're going to be throwing up, they're going to be constipated or diarrhea. I mean, they're going to do all of those things. And then on the emotional, behavioral side, yes, you might have a tearful kid. More likely you have kids with tantrums or rages or aggressive words. You might have withdrawn behaviors. You might have kids that pull back. The signs are often there and we typically don't connect them until we look back. But usually there's something that's a crisis.

Right.

That does it. So many parents, particularly now in the pandemic, I mean, I can tell you that people call my Ridgefield center all the time in Ridgefield, Connecticut center, or virtually, they contact us and they're now realizing how stressed their kids are. Right.

So even now with not being necessarily, some kids are in person at schools, but some are at home.

Some are at home and some are mixed. But parents are now getting their eyeballs on their kids and how they learn and interact.

I see.

They may have been suspicious before. Right. So sometimes parents are like, I was worried or a teacher was worried, but they're like, but their grades are good. So parents are using their grades, their child's grades as a benchmark for mental health.

I see.

I'm going to tell you, you couldn't be more wrong because just like an adult, people with mental health problems are functional. So we think your kid is depressed, your kid is anxious, your kid has OCD or add. They have to be doing terrible. I'm going to tell you, by the time they're doing terrible, which is having a total breakdown, maybe threatening others, threatening self harm, cutting themselves off emotionally, locking themselves in the room, this has been going on a long ass time.

So we can catch it earlier, we.

Can catch it earlier. And you know, you know how many.

Times, Johnny, somebody comes to me and.

They'Re like, oh, my kid's been pulling their eyelashes out.

And they go, well, it's just how they cope.

No.

That'S how they're showing you they cope. Oh, let me tell you something. When you open up that Pandora's box.

Wait till you hear all the ways.

They'Re stressed out and how they're thinking.

Having intrusive thoughts, worried thoughts, negative thoughts.

And you know, for those adults that experience this, they know exactly what I'm talking about because they may have been a child like this.

This can start over something.

Right? So some of my kids that I'm working With now had no stress or anxiety before the pandemic and they're very stressed now because they're missing social connections. They are doing it, hating virtual learning.

Right.

My youngest love school. Like he's like, his teacher will be like what class do you like better? And he's like I don't know. I like them all. I mean I just do. And I think well somebody's gotta love school.

Right.

And when it came to virtual learning he hated it.

It's so hard because he's friends and he's not getting to bad.

Yeah. And actually I mean really what it is for him because I do QEG brain maps. I can verify this. He literally has near his perfect attention. Okay. So he has all these beautiful brain waves but he's dyslexic and so he needs a hands on approach and that he goes to a really cool school that's all hands on. So even though they were trying, it was like watching paint dry when he was doing virtual learning. So. And my very sweet, well behaved kid scammed them and was using his iPad. I was, I was like you're going to get busted. That's what's going to happen. He's like I'm not doing it. And I'm like okay. And then he got busted. It was so great. So I believe in a lot of natural consequences. But here you go. Happy go lucky lover. A kid lover. Hating it. You know, it was terrible for him. So thankfully there's no. He's fully five day week school now because I don't know what I would had to have plan B. Right.

So you're making such a good point that before as parents it was really hard to see what was going on at school.

Yeah.

And when we, when they were even for a period of time at home, we really got a better sense of it. And then, but then it's like what do I do? You know, like what do I do?

Yeah.

You might also see like, you might see how your kids are interacting socially more.

You might see how they're managing stress. I mean there's just so many pieces. But you know, I think the thing that's hard for parents to know, you know, understand about their kids again besides that they could be doing well in school and really be struggling inside is that they have to have something wrong with their life. They think oh there's gotta be something wrong with my life.

Like a big crisis or something.

Ye, yeah.

Like you know, cause you're like my kid lives in a nice house. I don't beat you, you got this, you got that. Why are you anxious? Why are you depressed? Why are you have ocd?

We keep looking for a reason.

Yeah, it happens. And why?

Because of stress, Donni. So we have multiple stressors coming from not just what kids are experiencing in their collective right now in the world, but junky food, poor sleep, emf, improper detoxification, genetic mutations, like a whole culmination of things that are affecting our kids and their stress builds. And all the kids are stressed.

Many, many groups of kids are anxious and depressed.

I can tell you, like a lot of times I see this too, that they think it's a parent can think, oh, what's wrong with my child? Why is it just my child? Or the child might feel like what's wrong with me? Because I feel different. But what you're saying is, no, this is so common.

This is so common.

This is 1 and 2. Basically, almost every child has some symptoms.

Some type of something. 22.2% of teenagers 13 to 17 have a significant, not even a low level, a significant mental health issue.

So the others, besides the 22% probably have mild.

Yeah. And they, they estimate It's. I see two different sets of stats. Adults, either 1 in 6 or 1 in 4 adults are on a psych med.

So pretty much in every family in.

America, somebody's on a psych med. More often there's entire families, you already know this. So people are struggling. And yes, genetics can be a part of people's mental health, but it's not the only reason, Donni.

That's the thing. We used to think that genetics was like playing the whole role. It's gotta be. You have a genetic predisposition and then stress shows up. And like you're saying, absolutely, it may not be like.

Major some of the childhood trauma.

Like your kid doesn't have to have something bad happen to them. Please know this for them to experience these levels of clinical anxiety and depression. Most of the time what I see is there's an early behavior. A kid may be socially anxious or have a hard time playing with other kids or whatnot. And then the stress builds and builds and builds. And our brain and body is not designed to have chronic long term stress. There will always be a physical or psychological effect 100% of the time. And you know, I'm going to tell you that as a busy woman and mother, I try to outwit stress too.

Yeah, me too. I've been trying too, Dr. Rosanna.

I've been trying.

Have you figured it out?

Well, I take care of myself every day, seven days a week, right? That's it. I hydrate with a lot of water.

I do some type of brain based treatment seven days a week. So I use biofeedback or PMF are my big ones right now. But I've done hundreds of sessions of neurofeedback just so everybody knows.

Tell us about that. What is neurofeedback? How are you for mental health? Tell us about that. Yeah, you can use it for children too, right?

Yeah, oh absolutely. I use it for very young kids biofeedback and pmf. I mean I do that with kids as young as two, meditation kids as young as two. I mean you can't start too early, you know, I mean you can teach breathing to a one year old. I mean there are a lot of things you can do. It's about regulating a stress hyperactivated nervous system. So we have these stress hyperactivated nervous systems pretty much all of us. And what happens is our are, you know, you've already talked about this. We are supposed to be in this chill out, parasympathetic, relaxed state.

Yeah.

Well, we're living in this high stress, sympathetic, dominant. And what it means is that even though we're supposed to react and then our nervous system is supposed to go back to a healthy baseline, it's not, it keeps inching up, inching up. And what does it mean is that we're getting so stressed out way more easily and our kids are an example of this. Right. And so when what I do my magic juju is I use brain based treatments and I only use evidence based approaches to supporting the nervous system. And so I've treated thousands of people with, you know, the most chronic things like pans and pandas and treatment resistant anxiety and depression and ocd. We do a lot of OCD work and you know, this is what works. You calm that nervous system down so your rational brain can think because otherwise therapy is a waste of time. This is me as a therapist, a licensed therapist telling you this. And then so you regulate it with neurofeedback, biofeedback, meditation, we do somatic body work, we do eft tapping. You have to take a bottom up approach, you have to regulate that nervous system, then come in and pair it with New Lear, which is psychotherapy.

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So when we talk about entire families that have anxiety and depression, how do we really know, Donni, that it's genetics? Because I'm going to tell you, it's a whole lot of behavior that we learn junky ways to respond to things, right? So the number one way we learn to parent is actually by our parents, right? The number one way we learn to manage stress is from our parents.

Of course. We're observing.

We're observing, we're observing, right? You know what I mean? I tell everybody like I have a limitless attitude, like what's the limit?

Right?

Well where did I learn that? From my parents, my Italian immigrant parents. And they really, best gift they ever, you know, gave me was basically to tell people to go to hell. Like, you know what? You don't like that? Go to hell.

And they were great. They were always like, be respectful, do the right thing. But you know, somebody tries to force you to do something, you tell them to go to hell.

Set a boundary, basically.

Set a boundary. It was great. It served me very well. I'm glad my girlfriend's caught up in their 40s to me so. Because women.

Go ahead, go ahead.

No, because women like to. But we learn a lot. The joke, my jokes here. This is about teaching our kids how to manage stress and coping well.

This is the thing is like I want to point out that we're saying we shouldn't be expecting ourselves to be kind of like superhuman somehow being able to handle stress without, without some stress recovery like you're saying. But we also need to give the same to our children to not expect that they're supposed to somehow be able to withstand.

Oh, they're supposed to stay up till midnight and finish her schoolwork and get up at 5:30 to go to school the next day.

Right? Because that's what, because as parents that's what we kind of do to ourselves because that's how we were trained. We were trained by our parents. But this is a chance.

My parents would have never let that. My mother, I used to be like.

Mom, I feel like having a mental.

Health day and going to the beach. And she'd be like, you got a test? And I'd say, no. And she's like, go for it.

Okay, so she already was creating.

She already knew.

Well, she, you know, I mean, listen, here's, here's the deal. I mean, you know, my parents are different people. They're immigrants. They're like, you work and you do things right.

And certainly valued education. It wasn't an option for us not to go to college or whatever. Right. And.

And, you know, but you, you have to have the right amount of effort. You can't not take care of yourself. Right. So what are we teaching? We're teaching our kids, just like you said, just push yourself to the limits. And I think one of the silver linings of the pandemic, Donni, is that people are like, hold on. I was living in overdrive.

It's making us all stop and look at what was I myself, right?

What am I doing?

So, like, you know, what, what do I do for, you know, for self care? And we, you know, we started this on neurofeedback and biofeedback. I mean, these are ways to regulate the nervous system.

It's such cool tools.

Such cool tools.

Tools because a lot of people are familiar with breathing and meditation, but I don't know that people. I don't know how many psychologists out there are offering.

Not many, unfortunately. And just so everybody know, these are tools that have thousands and thousands of research studies been around for many, many decades.

Biofeedback for like 70 years and neurofeedback for 50.

So biofeedback, you're teaching your body to regulate and you're either learning how to control your bre. You're using devices, you're using technology so that you can give your body feed, brain and body feedback. So regulating your breath, syncing your heart rate and your breath is one type. You can do temperature control, you can.

Learn how to control your muscles.

And most often, biofeedback is used for pain, pain management, headaches and stress. Those are the most common things. It really requires an intentful effort in conscious awareness where neurofeedback is pretty darn cool. You are learning at a. Your subconscious is learning how to change its brainwaves and change its brainwaves actually in specific regions and how it's done is you're hooked to a computer. A protocol is designed. Most of the time you're doing something. What I do is called a QEEG brain map, which is a diagnostic tool.

Let me tell you.

That tells you exactly what's going on. There's no guessing. If this is anxiety, depression, ocd, you're going to know. It takes the complete guesswork out of mental health and really is what I like to say, checks under the hood so you're able to see what's going on and design a protocol and you.

Can deal with clinical issues.

You can change if somebody has add. Right. So I started by saying, I know.

My kid has perfect detention again.

He's also dyslexic because when I looked at his brain, he literally had Beta.

Is a very focused brainwave.

He had 100% normal beta, which is pretty amazing because I didn't train him.

But he loves to do biofeedback.

And he. We have it set up at home.

And he'll be like, hey, mom, can I. Can I do a session just for fun.

He does it, you know, he knows it feels good. He's very connected to his body.

I think that's what's great is Donnie, when you do these techniques, when you teach kids how to manage their stress early, it's never too late. But when you teach them how to.

Manage it early, they're always so aware.

When they're back of their body and when they feel more stressed and when. I mean, I love your point that this is so what we first have to do. The way I say it is we have to first get out of stress mode. You know, stress mode is that high sympathetic state. And these tools help get you out of stress mode. And that's, I think, what your son and what people pick up on that feels good to get out of stress mode because then you can get perspective on your life. You can then, like you're saying, you can make other changes. Because it's hard to make changes or take in any new information when you're in that stress mode.

It actually is not only hard, Donni, physiologically, when you were at the height of a stress mode, which is very easy to happen, so you don't have to have an event trigger. It could be that chronic stress, your frontal loads are designed to go offline. So thinking clearly is almost impossible. I'm not saying don't give up on it. I'm saying take a moment and try to breathe. But stress, inoculate yourself by getting yourself regulated. Because without that you're not gonna make good decisions and your kid's not gonna make good decisions. But you're never too old to do this. For those people that are on this journey now, they're kind of like, yeah, I get it, but we can teach these things to our kids. They get it, they like it.

Even teenagers.

I work with teenagers every day. And these are not only effective on their own, I'm going to tell you, these are way more evidence based and way more effective than a psychiatric medication.

Psychiatric medications for kids don't have a lot of efficacy. They're often off label used and they are pushed to parents because parents are like, help, help, help. I need something quick. And this is what people are trained.

To do and give.

They're not aware of other things like nutrition and specific types of psychotherapy. You know, talk therapy is great when you're in a calm state. If you're not in a calm state, a lot of learning isn't going to occur. So therapy to me is learning, right and taking action differently. So when we can focus on calming that nervous system and you know, biofeedback, neurofeedback and even meditation, when you use it every day, really rewires the brain, right? So 30 after 40 days of more than 10 minutes or more of meditation every day permanently rewires your brain.

It's just so amazing. And I know there, I love the studies on this and I know that you've written books to help people and I know that you're an expert in what's referred to as teletherapy, being able to access these tools online without necessarily having to be in person. Share a little bit about that with us because I'm sure now people are wondering, how do I access this? What do I do?

Yeah, so, yeah, so, okay, in my Covid period, I call it my Corona Covid Creative, I just wrote, wrote some books, wrote four books.

To just take.

That chance to like, okay, I can't see patients as usual, let me write.

In a book, let me do it. And then it just kind of ignited some excitement. And again, I've done hundreds of sessions of neurofeedback so my brain can work crazy fast. So just know that even if you want to do neurofeedback just to optimize your brain, I highly recommend it. So, so I wrote this book called Teletherapy Toolkit and it's the first book ever written on teletherapy activities for therapists. And I have a lot of parents buying it because they are filled with visual therapy, visual techniques and physical techniques to work with kids and teens to get them more engaged, more connected to their bodies. The whole book has an emphasis on connecting to your body because we are a disconnected society and that's so important to connect. Right. So this book, Teletherapy Toolkit is really, you know, a resource for therapists, but a lot of professionals are using it. And then I wrote a book that's going to come out in April of 2021 called it's going to Be okay. And it's what I say to my parents all the time. And because what happens when your kid is having a hard time, you just want somebody to tell you it's going to be okay. And you know, it's what I do every day and how I work with people. And you know, we work with people directly in our center and then we work with people virtually and we have. I have a program called the Get Unstuck program where I coach people through how to reverse mental health. And we have a wait list, so if somebody wants to get on that. But one of the cool things that I do have for, you know, why.

Did I do all of this?

My goal is really to change mental health because parents and, you know, kids are suffering and parents don't know what to do. And so I really wanted to give them step by step ways on how to do that so they don't have to feel, you know, this is a hard journey. Like, just like your people come to you, Donni, they're like going up a mountain. You know, they're stopping, they're asking people, they go down this way and it's the wrong way. They try the meds and the kids get worse. I mean, last week every single teenager I had who came into me, every single one of them had a terrible adverse reaction to their psychiatric medications. Psychosis, self harm and suicide attempts.

So this is worse. It's like making it, making it worse.

Yeah.

And this poor mom was like, I was given your name a year ago. And we went on, I don't know how many medication trials she went on in that year.

I think there was four.

And all of them were horrible. And so she just felt terrible.

I mean, she's like, I wish I.

Would have done this sooner. Basically.

Yeah. And her daughter then had trauma from, I think she had two or three psychiatric inpatient hospitalizations. And I'm not sharing anybody's story that's unique because I'm going to tell you that this is common. So. And that, and each parent said every Single. These are nice kids.

Good kids. Nothing traumatic happened to them. They got anxious and then it spiraled. And these are high level kids.

You know, these are good students.

Like, just so I can paint the picture, you know, everyone always thinks, again, you have to be the worst student. Unlikables this. I mean, I have all kinds of kids, but I'm saying a lot of the kids that I have started out pretty typical and then you hear about signs of anxiety and whatnot. And you know, I think ultimately in the end these are kids that, you know, don't know how to manage and cope with stress. And this is a trend, Donni, that I see. So one of the things that I have in my book is how to manage and cope with stress. So what I have is a free giveaway for people. So it's over 100 statements on how to teach kids and teens. And also statements you can say to yourself, if you're adult on how to manage stress and you can go to teletherapytoolkitbonus.com and you can get that. But it's something I've been teaching people because it's those little shifts, Donni, if you teach a kid instead of saying, oh honey, don't worry about it, it's going to be okay, it's going to be all right. Don't even think twice about it. If you say to somebody, you know, hey, that was really hard, like, and it was stressful, you how did you get through it? Like, you shift the language to empower that child or teenager to think about how did they problem solve, how did they manage it, how did they do that? Because they need to be empowered. And you know, we're not always going to be there right around the corner, just like when you put your kid on the bus and what happens. We want our kids to be independent in how they manage. And you know, for those of us that have multiple kids, you know, some kids sort of are wired at handling stress better and some kids aren't, but. And if your kid's not, these are skills that can be taught. And you know, please know that a pill is not going to fix when somebody doesn't have good coping skills. These are skills that need to be learned and they can be.

I love that. And I think I get this vision of at the same time, the parents, we get to learn these skills too. Because parents, we never got this in our childhood. So it's like we need, we have this opportunity to rewrite coping with stress for adults and children, which is. Brings us back to your mission, which is now makes so much sense. Talking to you like you have these tools to literally change the way we help children with their mental health issues. And you just want to get that message out there so people realize what's possible and that they can access it even from home.

Well, and parents can do this and they don't. You know, majority, obviously when you have a clinical issue, you know, find a licensed mental health provider, go to a naturopath, you know, change the terrain so that the person could be more responsive to the therapies. You know, I always recommend, you know, looking at the genetics, you know, the nutrient deficiencies, all of those things. These are all important. There's no one way to do it. But parents need to start and they can and they can do one piece. You know, I love parents. A lot of times come in and we do a lot of things all at once. And I'm not going to tell you that I don't love that because change happens. But I also believe we've got to meet. We always meet kids wherever they're at. We got to meet families where they're at and lifestyle changes are possible. These are things that we can do. And I want parents to not feel so overwhelmed because they are so overwhelmed in this pandemic. I mean, it is not a joke.

And you know, use this time, we have a lot more time at home, moms and dads and. And let's use this time to take care of ourselves and take care of our families and to see the blossoming of kids is pretty amazing.

Really.

I see that too. And it is to be able to see what some of these changes can make and how it can change their lives and change families lives is really amazing. If people want to learn, you know, be in touch with you or find out more, where should they come?

Yeah, well, you can go to teletherapytoolkitbonus.com and get my coping statements. But you can find my website. My YouTube channel is Dr. My website is Dr. Roseanne.com my. You can follow me on social at Roseanne Kapanaha but YouTube is Dr. Roseanne and I have, I put out a couple videos a week about mental health. And you know, I just want to tell parents like truly it's going to be okay. And there are, there is a way. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. You can reduce and reverse mental health and you can do it with safe natural therapies. I mean, you absolutely can. So I know it's a hard road but you know, it will you just start and take one piece at a time and it will get better.

Thank you so much. I feel reassured listening to you as well. And thank you so much for your time and for sharing your wisdom and I look forward to keeping in touch and staying in touch with you.

Well, thanks for having this important conversation Dr. Donnie. I appreciate it.

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