#45 Reverse Aging by Supporting Telomeres with Dr. Darrell Misak

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I'm excited to introduce you to Dr. Darrell Mesak today. He's a naturopathic doctor of over 20 years, and before that he practiced as a pharmacist. And he's here today to share about his views from his practice, his clinical practice in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and a product that he recently developed. Thank you so much for joining me, Dr. Mesak.

Thanks for having me. I'm glad to be here, actually.

Yeah, it's so much fun to get to. I always enjoy getting to talk with a naturopathic doctor, but it so turns out that you and I graduated at the same time in the year 2000. So just to think that we've been practicing in parallel for all of these years and now we're getting to, you know, learn from each other. So I'm so excited. But tell me, tell us more. Like, what inspired you? Why did you decide to move across the country and study naturopathic medicine? And, and, you know, why are you doing what you do now?

Well, I think naturopathic medicine, same reason you would go into it is like, okay, you know, seeking truth, seeking reality of, you know, how can I help people going into pharmacy. And I was more, if you really want to know something about me, it's kind of like how I thought my brain works. Like, how do you fix it? I'm a guy, right? You know, how do you fix things and how things work is my.

I would take a problem solver.

Yeah, I love to tinker on old cars. I fix small engines. I. If something's broken, my kids just bring it, put it in my workshop, and I end up fixing and repairing it before I throw it away. You know, I love that show that, those restorative shows where they fix things, you know, and so when I got to pharmacy school, I loved anatomy, physiology, pharmacokinetics, how things work in the body. Kind of crazy, weird stuff, right? But always found it made learning naturopathic medicine easy because how does the body work? Well, if we do this, this is how you support it. And so that's what did it is just how to how to have a positive impact help most people. And I just studied on how the body works, which has led me down a rabbit hole of breaking everything down. I've written some articles in Naturopathic doctor News and Review about bioelectric chemistry and explaining a quantum physics approach that hey, energy is the same thing as matter. So you and I are matter, which breaks down to heat and electricity. And how do you generate that? And so I wrote an article, you know, how do we modulate the vital force? You remember that concept of hey, everybody has this vital force, this ability to self heal and. But some of them have a strong vital force and some have a weak vital force. And you just. If someone has a weak vital force, you support it. So they can live a long life. And the people have a strong vital force, they can live a crappy life and still live long. Right? And so I explained it a little differently in the aspects of, hey, if you understand the chemistry of the body, because chemistry is what makes us up. You break your body down, it goes back to this earth, which is rock, which is 60% calcium, 24% phosphorus, 12% potassium, 85 trace minerals make all this other stuff up. And when you look at quantum energy and how to generate energy, it comes down to remineralization. And then so I discovered the works of Dr. Cary Reams and his theory of biological ionization. That we are electrical in nature and how to generate more energy is dependent upon your internal soil, which we've learned that terrain aspect. And he said the day that you consume more energy than you get from your food is the first day of disease. Means makes sense. The total load theory. You remember that one? I can only handle this much. I get above it. Something's got to give. Based upon your genetic predisposition and your ability to process that and having it.

Dr. Reams taught an aspect of how to monitor your own chemistry. Looking at sugar regulation pHs with the speed and efficiency of things. Conductivity gives you the idea of thickness of body fluids, cell debris is how well the body's turning over and detoxifying. And nitrate monitoring gives us an idea of protein building versus protein breakdown. So you can look at the efficiency of how well the digestive tract and the pancreas and liver and these things are working. And I start, I teach concepts of what I call bioelectric chemistry and restorative health. And we all go down our same paths. And that's the one that I kind of fell upon.

I love it. And of course I see it from the framework that my Mind has kind of. Because this is the thing with practicing over years, especially, I think you and I have this in common, that we look for patterns amongst our different patients. And we understand that there's going to be some genetic variability which you're pointing out. There's going to be some uniqueness based on genetics, and then there's going to be some variability based on person's what I refer to as their stress exposure. Right. Like whether they've had emotional stress or toxins as a stress or what are the variables of their environmental exposure, essentially. And that's going to impact what you're describing as like the chemistry of how our bodies work. And it's so intriguing to me because even beyond biochemistry, because some of what you're mentioning is sort of the biochemistry of our body, but. But also you're mentioning the electrical system within our body. And I think that that doesn't get a lot of attention. Like, I think we all have to kind of step back for a minute and go, wait a minute. Cause we usually think of electricity as like we're plugging in our phone, we're plugging in our computer.

This is how electricity looks to us. But really what you're saying in pointing out and reminding us is that there's electricity going through our whole body. I mean, one example I like to point out is like the heart, for examp. Every time the heart beats, that's electricity causing that to happen. And even every time some fluid moves to and from our cells, that's because of electricity. And so when you start to think about that, you go, whoa, how. And to think that our bodies are so responsive to our environment because of that, you know, and so it makes it not. I like how you're also say, not to make it overwhelming, but to feel empowered by it. Like to say, this is so cool. It's like fixing whatever engine or something. Like you can. If we know how the body works, we can tinker here or we can tinker here. And that result of that equation is going to be improved health.

Well, you mentioned equation. And so if we go. If you ask 100 naturopaths what equates perfect health, how many answers are you going to get?

Well, everyone is going to answer slightly differently, but.

Right. But when I'm looking at it mathematically, Dr. Kerry Reams explained the human body by efficiency. And he said, if the chemistry falls into this line, you have perfect efficiency, the line of least resistance, and you maximize the power that can be generated. And so anything that falls away from perfect, that Variable that I just discussed that's the furthest away from it describes what symptoms. So I can tell people what symptoms they're having without even reading a chart. When you're mentioning electricity. We do EEG patterns for brain, we do EMG patterns for muscle, we do EKG patterns for heart. It's all electrical impulses, which is what? The influx of sodium and potassium, movement through calcium channels. Minerals dictate how energy moves through our body. And Reams explained this. What I'm looking at is from an energy perspective of where those deficiencies lie. Because I explain health in two concepts, deficiency or excess. And everyone continue to talk about excess of toxicities based upon environmental exposures. But if your body is set up to be as healthy as possible to adapt homeostatically with whatever it's dealt with, if it doesn't have what it needs because of a deficiency to take care of that excess, then you're going to have some type of disorder.

So all these concepts, I did a five phase approach. Phase one, clean up your environment. Pure air, pure food, pure water, EMF protection, protect yourself from the craziness. Phase two, test what are you specifically reacting to and remove it. Are you reacting to pesticides? Are you reacting to mold? Are you reacting to heavy metals? Are you food sensitivities foundational in naturopathic medicine? Phase three, support. What do you need? Not do I take everything known to mankind for the adrenal glands or the thyroid. What is my body deficient in that it has to have in order to process the load that's put upon it? If you do that, if you lower your total load, you reduce.

Your food and identify what your body needs specifically to deal with your burdens. And you start supporting your body, you effectively raise your threshold and your body naturally starts to detoxify. That's phase four and supporting detoxification. And phase five is self awareness, that aspect of mental emotional knowing where things are. Because if you're not aware that something's not right in my body, even if you're taking an analytical approach, it gives you that stimulus to go and say, okay, I know something's not right. And everything in this world is based upon cause and effect. How do I find that cause? If you remove the cause, you've got your cure. You know, so when we're talking energy, I mean the geniuses of the world, Tesla said, if you want to understand the secrets of the universe, you have to think in terms of frequency and vibration. Einstein explained the theory of relativity and everything is relative, math wise or whatever. Else. And so I'm the, to my knowledge, this naturopath who takes these concepts and say, look, this is all real, you know, and this is how we can do it. And then you bring into telomeres, you know, and the studies of telomeres and the aspects of anti aging and that's what we're supposed to be talking about. My product, you know, Vital Army.

We're going to get there. I can't wait. Let's make sure. Because first off, thank you so much for talking that through because you've said a lot in that you've talked. So you've really showed us how the principles of nature pathic medicine really have. You've matched that up with the principles of science and with your chemistry background. I can hear that chemistry background that probably led you to practicing pharmacy. But I also have background in chemistry. So I love that because you can break down the all of this to the specifics of chemistry and science and say, hey, this isn't just mumbo jumbo. Sounds good. This is actually math and chemistry that we can understand about our bodies. To solve for health, I call it we solve for health. You know, we solve this equation for health and it is unique for each person. But.

One of the things that I want to just before we talk about telomeres mention is that one key difference is in naturopathic medicine we look at the body as a whole. One of the concepts in what you're explaining is that you're looking at the body as a whole. We're not looking at the body with this part. This system is separate from this system. No, it's that the body is functioning as a whole and we have to look at it that way in order to even solve that equation. Would you say?

Oh, totally. You remember Dr. Jared Zeff, right?

Yeah.

They were looking at bringing that class classical Chinese medicine program into National College of Naturopathic Medicine. They were like, how do we teach this to be different than everything else? And Dr. Zeff walks up to the board and does this great big circle on the board and he goes, classical Chinese medicine. He puts a dot in the center of it and says, traditional Chinese medicine, you can look at it the same way. Draw a circle that encompasses the whole body and the efficiency of what the body's capable of doing. And then you could put a dot. Here's a thyroid, here's the liver, here's the adrenal glands, here's the parathyroid, here's the pancreas. You know what I mean? How do I support this, because that's where my symptoms lie. No, when you fix the chemistry, because chemistry dictates energy efficiency, the body self restores. And so that's the whole principle is it was just the most beautiful presentation of naturopathic philosophy. Summed up. And the day that you consume more energy than you get from your food is the first day of disease. I'm like, okay, I got to learn about this stuff.

Well, I think with that concept, I love that because it really shows that it's a matter of us learning. You use the word homeostasis. How do we feed ourselves and interact in our environment, including sleep and water and minerals? How do we do that in such a way that we can stay in this perfect spot? And it's like you're saying, if you have an excess of food or an excess of anything that tips you this direction, or depletion that tips you this direction, no longer is the body going to be working optimally. And that's when we start seeing all different kinds of health issues develop. Considering that's really talking about it from like environmental sort of how does what happens, how do we survive in this world as humans, considering all the variables we're exposed to. But at the same time, we're also influenced by our genes. And this is where the telomeres come in, because the telomeres are part of our genes. So let's talk about that. How does we know that stress exposure of various types affects these telomeres? And the telomeres have some determination of our longevity. But tell me your perspective on that.

Yeah, I mean, in 2009, the Nobel Prize for Medicine was won by three physiologists who discovered the enzyme telomerase. And that if they. Because as telomeres, as they shorten, we age, period, you know, and they're at the end of our DNA, at the end of chromosomes. And as they shorten, the aging process starts. And telomeres are responsible for the reproduction of cells. And so what we know with telomere research is that, you know, childhood stress can make you dying and shorten your telomeres. Your day to day anxieties can cause those. So meditation itself has been shown to increase longevity by taking that stress off your telomeres. And then there's certain nutrients and vitamins that have been shown to benefit telomeres just because the presence of them being there, particularly minerals, I must say, because if you start looking at some of the real genetic work, they're finding that most of the times that the genetic pathways are broken and Being exposed can be trace mineral deficiencies and its efficiency of how it's used. And I can explain how chemistry, the speed of that chemistry is what allows specific nutrients to be available. So if your phs are all off, you can't, you can, you can take all the, you know, zinc you want, but if your ph is at 5.3, you're not going to utilize that zinc, you know.

Yeah.

So, so when you're looking at telomeres, you know, I started looking at that and that research and saying this is the greatest anti aging discovery ever. Those science, those Nobel prize winners took prematurely aged mice expected to be in their 90s that were blind, that were arthritic, that were their hair was white, they mentally could not go through mazes. And then they stimulated that enzyme. They reverse aged these mice, they became dark, they got, they could run through the mazes, they took their brains out, their brains increased 25% in size, their cataracts cleared up, their renal failure went away total reverse engineered, reverse aged rather. And so I'm like, oh my God, how do you do this? How do you stimulate telomerase activity? So I did a Google search of about 200 abstracts through environmental Health Perspectives and just started flipping through the abstracts and, and started noticing all these natural products. Milk thistle, cytomorium, ginkgo, purslane.

I started looking at all these herbs and then what does that come that naturopathic side of me says wait a minute, why don't I get herbs that all have telomerase activity but formulate them in an eclectic blend to take care of how the body works. So milk thistle, all of these milk thistle has we always think of as hepatoprotective. Protect the liver. The liver has to deal with the stress. Ginkgo, wow. Let's improve circulation. Elderberry, wow. Let's improve our immune system and have antioxidant activity. Green tea, strongest antioxidants known to mankind. Anti cancer, whatever else. What else? Astragalus. Astragalus has historically been used for adaptogenic. Let's support those adrenal glands. Let's support the immune system and specific extracts in it. Acyclo, astragl and astragaloside 4 have been shown to have telomerase activity. Purslane, that weed that people is ripping up. Greatest source of essential fatty acids known as a plant source. But what are you doing? You're affecting the ability of nutrients to go across cell membranes. Because all of our cells are basically made of fat and our brain needs healthy fats. And then that bioelectric concept says, hey, put some calcium in there because calcium regulates all the minerals and the movement of minerals across the cell membranes. I put cyanomorium in there. Cyanomorph is a yang tonic elixir of life, sexual vitality elixir without making people feel like, jittery. And then I put lemon, because lemon is an anionic surfactant. It's like dawn takes grease out of your way, that anionic soap dispersing that cationic clumping of grease. Lemon comes in and disperses. And plus it has vitamin C, antioxidant activity and stuff like that. I start, I mix this stuff up. Why? Because I did compounding pharmacy at Lloyd Center Pharmacy for five years while I was at.

I love Lloyd Pharmacy. Oh my gosh. It was the biggest treat, by the way, when I was. Whenever I was in port. This is in Portland, Oregon, for those of you who are listening. And I grew up in the northwest in Portland and Seattle. And so I know of Lloyd Center Pharmacy, which is a, A well known compounding pharmacy in that area. What a treat. I don't know, one day or maybe even for a week I went and just interned there because I just. It's so fascinating to think of the creativity like it's. You wouldn't think of pharmacists as creative. I don't think most people think of pharmacists as creative. But when you go to a compounding pharmacy, you see pharmacists as artists and they are creating formulas with nutrients, with hormones, with, you name it. It's just fascinating. So I'm so excited to know that you worked there and trained there as a compounding pharmacist. So no wonder you already were ready to create your own formula.

Yeah, I just came out with a pet formula and I'm calling it Canine Telometry based upon this and because it kept my dog alive for an extra two years and just amazing story. But Lloyd Center Pharmacy was just a treat. I have to say, when I started working there, we did about 10 to 12 compounds a day. When I left, we were doing over 60. And all of those nutritional lines that they carried, if you ever went into the pharmacy and they had all of those, somebody had an influence on me.

A little bit of influence in there.

I was like, hey, if we're going to carry this stuff, you need to have this and make it available. And so we started serving the naturopathic community. If you go back and look, it was between early, late 90s and that's because I started working there in 1995 through the year 2000.

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And so yeah, compounding.

So I started mixing up these herbs and ratios and stuff like that to make them fit in capsules. I knew how to make all that stuff from compounding for so many years. And I started taking them and be like, oh my God, is this really happening? So then of course, what do I do? I ask my clients, would you like to do this? You're like, Dr. Mesak, you want me to be an experiment? I'm like kind of sort, I'll give you some. And every one of them came back like, can I have more please?

You know that was a good trial, trial set. But yeah, no, I mean I think this is so exciting, your product, which is, and I was saying to you, I love your creativity with the name too because you have the word vital in here. Vital Again, back to that, what you talked about earlier on. Just that vital energy that we all have and tying that together with this concept of telometry which is being able to restore our telomeres to be anti aging. I love that. What I heard as you were describing, what you're describing is the herbs and ingredients you ended up putting into this product, the vitelometry, the way I hear it is that you chose herbs. I mean I think all herbs are really what I call multitaskers. You know, they can do more than one thing. So these ingredients help with the telomeres, but they also help with all these other systems at the same time. And so it's so fun, I think, to think of taking something that can act in More than one way. I mean, like with pharmaceuticals even then sometimes they work in more than one. But we tend to use them with one purpose. You know, I'm going to take this pill for this purpose. And that's one thing that's different about this formula is you're taking a pill, but it's multitasking in positive ways.

We've had tremendous positive reports from majority of people. It's energy and focus. It's like it's better. I stopped buying my coffee in the morning because this product got rid of it. But we've had people have their hair grow in dark again. Hasn't worked for me yet. We've had people have their hair grow back in. We've had people reporting their sex life returning after in their 70s. We've had people talking about chronic fatigue just like, oh my God, changing their life. Because you got to realize the immune response of what you're doing by using the astragalus and the elderberry. And I just think about it conceptually of what you're doing. Improving the communication of cells with the essential fats, improving circulation, improving detoxification with the liver and antioxidant nature. Improving cellular energy control by providing the calcium and the regulation of mineral movement across the cell membranes. I mean that's how I think.

What it translates into is people just feel good on the product. Initially we were having like a 60% reorder rate. It's just incredible. The people who try it and say, oh my God, this is a great product.

Because being on the show, what we'll do for anybody who listens and does your show, we'll use a discount code. Donnie. D O N I. Anybody who wants to try it can get 10% off from trying the product.

Oh, thank you so much. I mean that. And do you expect that people do people tend to see a difference within say a month or what period of time?

Well, the reason I sent you a bottle is because I was expecting you to have experienced a difference by the time this show because normally it's within one to three days.

Really?

Yeah. If you go to our website, which I got, I got a website called docmesack d o c mesag.com I do YouTube shows that teach people how to equip themselves to test themselves at home. All my articles on Naturopathic Doctor News and review are on there. I've done podcasts, but also there's a link to vitalometry, which is vitalometry.com just a lot of people spell it wrong. They use vital versus Vital, Yeah. You know, V I T E L O M E T R Y. But if you go to vitalometry.com, there's a video by Kathy Ireland, third party endorsement there and stuff like that, that just shows, tells the history of it and stuff like that. It's just, it's turning out that people. And there's a testimony on that video of a lady's like the very first day I could feel a difference. And most people report that within one to three days. Like, wow, is this real? That's why I had to convince myself by giving it to my clients.

Well, and thank you so much for sending. I'm definitely going to try it and I can't wait to give you my feedback.

Would you say, I mean, is there anything you could think of a person who shouldn't take this product? I mean, I'm thinking through the herbs that I know of in here and these are common herbs. We use elderberry, ginkgo astragalus. But, but tell me. Yeah. Is there any that you've identified that should be careful with this product?

Well, I used to do, being a pharmacist, I used to do lectures to nurse practitioners and physician assistants on drug, nutrient, herbal interactions. It's a good, you know, being the pharmacist and the naturopath. Right.

Thing. Yes.

You know, and so, and that was huge. There was nothing about that when we were graduating, all that information was just starting. Here's a naturopath coming out and say, look, we give drugs that we know interact all the time, but we monitor to look for that interaction and make sure that it's not life threatening. Right. When you consider what's in here, ginkgo, you could take up to 12 of these a day to maximize out on a dosing of anything. The amount of ginkgo that's in there is still enough to improve circulation. But ginkgo has that anti platelet activity. You know, it inhibits platelet activating factor. So if somebody is on Eliquist or warfarin, you know, the blood thinners, you know, it would be the same concern as somebody who would take an aspirin with those things, what they commonly will prescribe together, hey, take your aspirin a day, but while you're on Eliquist or while you're on these things. So people should be aware if they're going to take it. Look for bruising, you know, first sign, do a bleeding time, prick your finger and keep wiping it off and time how long it takes to clot off naturally if your bleeding time exceeds 30 seconds, then hey, your blood's probably a little too thin. It's a simple, simple test. Instead of doing an INR and those other blood tests we do, but other than that, no. I have seen with people's chemistry that I'm testing that in general, I see an enhancement of how people feel and the efficiency of their chemistry by taking this product. Like I said, it's formulated that you could take up to 12, but most people would not be able to afford it. I've only had a couple who do it and say, oh my God, my energy is off the rocket. I formulated it to put 120 in a bottle. So you could take four a day. Either take four all at once in the morning or take two at morning and two at lunch. Some people say, hey, my energy is too much and they decrease. I have some elderly people who only need one a day, but I personally, I take between four and eight, I'll take four in the morning. And if I had one of those days where I stayed up too late and I didn't get enough sleep and I'm just running, I'll take four more. It just gets me through my afternoon. So.

It varies again because naturopathic medicine is variable based upon what somebody needs, based upon the efficiency of what they're already doing. You know what I mean?

Yeah.

I love that we talked through everything earlier because now we can see how this fits into that same equation. Knowing how depleted are you, how much restoration does your body and your telomeres need? And that might even day to day. Like you're saying if you have a particularly stressful week, then you might need more. And that's part of that. Like you talked about that kind of phase five or stage five where a person's becoming more self aware. And I really love that concept because. And it's even just what you're referring to as knowing, hey, am I bruising? Like getting in connection with your own body instead of necessarily always relying on an outside practitioner or going to the doctor's office, you know, you can know your body within yourself and to know, hey, if I didn't get enough sleep, maybe I need a little bit more support today. And then as you, of course you still needed, we want you to get good sleep and eat good food and do your meditation or other stress reducing activities. So do all of that. And then as you're doing that supportive self care, then maybe you only use a little bit of this, depending. I mean, what I'm also curious about, I mean you mentioned some different health conditions. Like I would think especially if a person has fatigue, this would be top on the list. In addition to of course addressing if you have anemia or some other cause for the fatigue.

Right, totally.

But is there the other thing is.

Even in today's Covid concerns, why don't you talk about astragalus, elderberry and green tea during these concerns?

Oh my gosh, they're all immune supportive. The studies on astragalus alone are really mind blowing. And these herbs that you've chosen are not sort of recent herbs. These are like traditional herbs that were even used in Chinese medicine for I don't even know how many thousands of years. So these are herbs that were used way back when, but now we actually have the studies to show why they were being used in terms of say anti aging, but also in terms of immune support. If astragalus, I mean one of the best herbs for helping our immune system to be protecting us from viruses, for example, even just for that reason, it's.

A good thing to take viruses adaptogenic for the adrenals. I mean, it goes on. I was really pleased with the product and how it turned out. And that's why, I mean my best story, I mean now I made it for a horse and this 24 year old horse is starting to walk better and now they're like, can you make us a batch of. You know. So I made the product for my dog as I had a 13 year old lab, cataracts, starting to lose bladder control, difficulty, couldn't get up, down the stairs. I turned this product into, mixed it with some collagen and put it on her food every day. And next thing you know, I didn't even mix it with collagen with my dog.

I opened the capsule basically.

Yeah, well, I took the purslane out because dogs can't tolerate oxalates.

Okay, that's what I was going to say. Okay, so that's the change you have. So don't use this for your animals. You got to get the dog version.

Right. So. And then I put some, and then I put collagen in it. And so but every dog that's taken it is like starting to act like a puppy spinning around, you know. My dog, her cataracts got better. She could walk up and down the store. She regained bladder control, she ended up living two more years. She lived to be a 15 year old lab and our vet was like, I've never seen a 15 year old purebred lab. That's amazing because we never took her to the vet and they didn't have to.

That's amazing. That's really amazing. I mean, I'm an animal lover too and so I can't wait to also try it. Can I use it on cats too?

Do you know you should be able to. People get worried because of the lemon. So lemon has Soralins in it, but it's only found in the rind. And so if you, if you look at the ingredients, we have lemon juice to lemon juice extract. So lemon juice doesn't have Soralins. Don't you love all that chemistry stuff? And Sorrellings are toxic to these kids who dogs and cats. But yes, it should be fine. I just haven't tried it on a cat because cats are finicky dogs. They lick this thing up. And this horse that we started experimenting with, it always had to have its food brought to it. Now it's changed its eating pattern and for the first time in over five years, the horses ran twice.

Wow.

It's a 24 year old horse and they're like, okay, let's make some more of this and let's see. So right now we're looking at possibly making it into a horse based product as well. Never imagined naturopathic medicine would lead me down the backside and vet support, but.

Well, and that's the thing. It just shows us, I mean animals, you know, they have a lot of similar physiology to us and you know, if we make a few tweaks to make sure we don't, you know, they don't get the wrong ingredients, I'll definitely be happy to test it out on my cats and give you feedback.

And I'm wondering like, so along with this, what would you say a person like you would in your office? Because you see people in your office too, right? You see patients. Do you see everyone in person or also virtually or mostly in person?

Because I do live blood microscopy. I test people's blood. Everything's analytical. Let's look at the health of the blood and look at where, you know, are we showing signs of maldigestion, immune imbalance, deficiencies with iron, B12, folate, you know, you can see activated neutrophil, activated lymphocytes and suggestive of mold and other exposures. I do electrodermal testing again, electrically or analytically measuring a response against products for food sensitivities. You know, you remember EAB, probably about 80 to 90% as accurate as doing some type of immune based testing. But for me, everything's energy, everything is frequency and vibration. I'm measuring these things. I'm looking at the results on somebody's blood on a microscope. I look at dry layers and things. And then I look at the chemistry and say, hey, this is what you need based upon your chemistry efficiency.

It works. I don't even have to. I can look at the chemistry, not look at somebody's intake form at all. And based upon the chemistry, say, you probably have these symptoms and predict exactly what's going on. And people are like, oh my God.

I didn't even tell you about my shoulder hurting. And you know, it, you know, because the chemistry shows where the energy is being drawn from in the body. It's just a beautiful thing.

Wow, that's, that's awesome. So then each person who you might work with individually, they might have an individual plan, like make these dietary changes, maybe add these, I'm imagining minerals or electrolytes, and you know, address these different systems. And then in addition, you would have them use the vitellometry as a restorative formula.

Right? The whole idea is certain foods, See, foods move your chemistry. Remember how you have alkaline and acid based foods, you know, but that's based upon the calcium forms that are in that food. Calcium is a predeterminer of primarily a ph. If people have high pHs, you eat foods that primarily have calcium lactate, calcium phosphate, that gypsum and stuff that'll move the ph down. Whereas if people are acid, which most are, we put them in the DE range, their chemistry is moving too fast. So you use calcium oxide and calcium hydroxide and calcium citrate and calciums that slow the chemistry down and move the ph up. So what I do is teach people to test their urine physical. And then based upon where that urine ph is on a range, you either eat this range or you eat this range. Move the chemistry down, move the chemistry up. But when it gets in the middle, in the healing range, now you can eat any of those foods, but you need to observe. If this food drastically slows you down because you're susceptible to it, then, hey, mix it with this food, that speeds it up. So you're balancing out your chemistry and you learn to match your foods based upon your chemistry efficiency. You just got to check your urine ph consistency.

It's so awesome. And again you're using again this concept of helping people to understand how far out of range are you, Are you too high, too low? And then to observe how your body responds, which is so unique. Different people need different tweaks and different Doses to get them back realigned again and then to what I call resiliency, being able to maintain. You learn through the process. So then you just know your body. We don't come with a manual. Instruction manual. So you going through this process is almost like you giving people their instruction manual. Here's how to keep your body in balance, how to eat, what to do, what to take to keep your body in balance.

And over time, self awareness is you learn what it feels like when your chemistry is in a particular pattern and you learn what foods I need to eat or hey, if I eat that food I'm going to feel like crap. So I need to do this so I get better quicker. I'm going to be at the party, I know I'm going to cheat. So hey, why don't I take some extra vitamin D. I'll take an extra calcium carbonate or citrate and I'll go to the party, I'll eat my crap, but I know that I'll restore a little bit quicker. It's like you going out and drinking too much and taking Nux Vomicant before you go to bed, right?

The homeopathic remedy. Definitely.

Oh my goodness. Yeah. And too much for me is not very much.

I always learned so much from my body and to feel grateful for. I can hear you've learned a lot from your body and your patients and your pets. That's I think the amazing thing. I feel so grateful for this opportunity to be a naturopathic doctor and to get to learn more about our bodies and how to be healthy all the time. I'm sure you feel that way too, always. Yeah, I can hear that from you and I and I've seen. I don't know that you mentioned it earlier, but if people would like to listen to more from you or your on your videos on YouTube as well.

Yes, Doc Mesa, Doc Misak is my channel on YouTube. We're actually looking into using another platform that's not censored. I unfortunately naturopathic medicine seems to be a little censored on YouTube and so but in meantime, Doc Mesack, we have all that. If you go to docmesak.com, there's links to everything from my practice to vitalometry that new canine products not going to come out until January. It'll be out next month. Just a lot of things happening. It's all good.

So exciting and oh my gosh, how much fun to get to talk with you. I really appreciate you being here and sharing with us and I look forward to staying in touch with you.

I can't wait to hear your response from trying that product. Email me, let me know.

I will definitely let you know. And I'll let everyone else know too so that they can get a sense of it because it's. I mean just to think. All you did was to think, hey, we need to support telomeres. Let me go find out what can do that and put it all into one formula. But it doesn't exist anywhere else. I've never seen a formula like this anywhere else. So thank you for creating it.

Yep. Hey again, anybody wants to try, have them use Donnie D O N I as a discount code. You'll get the 10% off. And thank you for having me on the show.

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