Love Is Medicine With Razi Berry

Oh, my goodness. Welcome, Razzie. I'm so glad to be getting to have this conversation with you on Facebook Live. This is my good friend Razzie Berry. And I think we've known each other for, I don't know, at least 15 years, maybe more than that.

Yeah, absolutely. I think we have. I remember when you were kind of heading up the licensure efforts in New York. Mm. And we.

Yeah. And you were just starting ndnr. Razzie's been publishing this. I call it like, a journal. Would you. I don't know if you like, a publicate. Publicated paper. For 15 years, which is really long time. It's a monthly publication that means, like, articles from naturopathic doctors around the country who submit articles, and then your team puts it together into a printed paper journal that you then ship out to.

A bunch of people, thousands of people, I suppose, every month, and it's in. And really, you're not a naturopathic doctor, you're a patient. Naturopathic patient advocate. Right.

It's just I'm waiting for my honorary.

I mean, you've learned a lot over the years from reading all these articles, I'm sure. And it's just amazing because, I mean, this thought that you, you know, you had a health experience yourself that inspired you. Tell me more about that. Remind me how that. How that went, where you got so inspired.

So I grew up in a very allopathically minded home, so we would get vaccinated, antibiotics. You know, my mom thought that all these conventional methods, that was the right thing to do. And in some cases, you know, conventional methods are the right things to do. But I found myself sick in my early 20s. I had a really great career and felt good and was, you know, what I thought was on top of everything. And then I suddenly just lost all my vitality. I started having horrible migraines, and my hormones were irregular, and I was having some anxiety, and a lot of. I would lose vision in my eye. I would get paresthesias or numbness on one part of my body. So I went to different doctors, and the endocrinologist told me to go on disability.

She and the OB GYN said I would never have children.

Oh, my gosh.

And then the Mayo Clinic told me, you know, take all these pills. And I finally said, look, I don't want to take all these. They're not making me better. You know, these pills wear off, and I'm not any healthier. So then the doctor told me it was all in my head. Really. That I said, see a psychiatrist for not wanting to take the pain meds. And at that point, she told me that it was all in my head.

Oh, my gosh.

So I went and I decided to take it into my own hands. And I found naturopathic medicine. And I sometimes like to say it's like the sky opened up and I could hear the angels sing. Because here was a doctor who believed my symptoms, looked at my test results in a wider, more holistic way, right? Not what's normal or abnormal, but like what's, you know, healthy, and taught me how my relationships, how my lifestyle, how I live my daily life, how that all impacted my health. I remember hearing about, you know, how my gut was contributing to all this, you know, 20 years ago, and now it's kind of like a new thing. So after that, it helped me heal and I became so evangelical, it's like I couldn't believe that more people didn't know about this. And I had met people at the clinics who were just falling apart from the medications and not living their life. And I. And I wanted to just share. It's kind of like when you see a movie that really touches you or you read a book and you want to tell everyone about it. That's how it was. So at the time, I realized that there were journals that included some naturopathic medicine, but they weren't all encompassing of natural. So I decided to start one. And that was 15 years ago. And now we've published more than 2,000 cases from naturopathic doctors, you know, in the US and Canada and really around the world. And what I think is so important about that is the cases, you know, are different than research. Like, a lot of people will look at research and then design a protocol around that. And that's just a small sample of averages and such. Whereas the cases, the doctors are really one on one working with an individual patient through the whole process of how they present to you, how you decide what the treatment plan should be, what the outcomes are of the treatment plan. So I think it's really a realistic way, a real life, an IRL hashtag, irl, right. In real life way to learn about healing and to learn about naturopathy.

Wow, that's. It's really something. And I feel so grateful to you for, you know, just following your passion and your creativity and creating that, you know, that possibility, that information for people to learn about naturopathic medicine and what they can, you know, how they can access it. So I just think, you know, that's so awesome. And I feel so grateful to you. And now you're creating the this Love is Medicine project. So how does that relate? How is it different? What is your vision with it?

Yeah. So many of us have experienced where we're doing all the right things. We think like we're eating right or we're taking the supplements, still don't feel good. Or in my case when, you know, when like stressors come along or like loss, you know, my sister and my father died really close to each other. And I went through. So these were three major life changes that even though I was exercising and I was eating right, right. And I was taking my supplements, my symptoms recurred. I, I had to take a step back from what I learned from all these cases of naturopathic medicine that honor the vital force, innate ability to heal and our vitality. And I kind of noticed some patterns after reading all these cases that.

There are some reasons, you know, we, illness isn't random. We think that this is, we don't know where it comes from, but we kind of do. And love is medicine is how to connect back to these two three sources of love and vitality. That's why it's called the Love is Medicine project. What they are is one is disconnection from the self. So I hope diseases where we look away like we look away from the little signs that like maybe we shouldn't be acting in these ways. Maybe we shouldn't be drinking like a sugary caffeine drink through a drive thru every morning to start our day. Maybe we shouldn't need trying to scrape by on five and a half hours of sleep. Maybe we shouldn't be you know, starving ourselves or overeating ourselves into an eating disorder or diabetes. Maybe we shouldn't be yelling at our children in a way that they're going to be traumatized and have an autoimmune disease someday. So it's the way that we don't listen to what our body's messages are and these symptoms.

The reason I called out love is because your symptoms and the messages and your intuition are all love letters from yourself. And when we connect back into that, it's easier to not only make the right choices for ourselves and to stick with programs that people give to us. But when we're bombarded with this barrage of like books and webinars and protocols and even summits and I've put on summits of how to live your life, nobody can make that choice again except for you. Nobody can tell you how to eat, sleep, drink, move Right. You get that advice from the Dr. Docere to teach, but then you have to have enough self awareness to be the final say in that. And that's connected to yourself, connecting to each other. We are so disconnected. We're very isolated in many ways. We don't spend as much time with our family, friends, and things like rejection, isolation and loneliness, feeling left out. These are all things that affect our physiology. And so that love amongst each other, whether it's, you know, harm between people in a workspace or a family unit, these things affect us in physiological ways. And then the third aspect of it is connecting back to nature. We are as part. We are as integral of a part of nature as your thyroid is to the rest of your body. Right? You can't separate ourselves. And we kind of just taken ourselves out of the equation. We're indoor all day in moderate temperature, from our house to our car to our place of work or school. We're rarely outside breathing the natural compounds in the air that we're supposed to. We're barely touching the earth. And every cell in our body has a clock. Every cell. And it's not enough to just to put the orange glasses on, Donnie. As you know, like our bodies have light receptors, not just our eyes. So we're trying to hack ways to health and longevity and at our own expense. There is no way to trick nature. We have to live and reconnect into that, what I call the source of love. That's the Love is Medicine project is. It's a journey that I decided to take when I was experiencing symptoms again, even when I felt like I was doing everything right. Mm.

No, these are. I love. I love that. I mean, I think it's so important to kind of bring our awareness to these things because you're right, we. A lot of times we're racing through the day. You and I were saying, how did 15 years go by? You know, so even though we're this naturopathic world on a daily basis, even for us, sometimes just the time races by. And I know you were mentioning that the doctor said you wouldn't be able to have kids, but I know you have two daughters, so. And being a parent and having a business and doing all the things we have to do each day, sometimes the day just races by. If we're not paying attention, like you're saying, if we're not paying attention to the signals our body is giving us, or maybe when we do have a symptom, we end up being hard on ourselves. Why is this happening to me? So then that's kind of like the opposite of self love, right? It's this self criticism of why can't I. It seems like everybody else is out there getting through a really busy day and feeling fine. Why am I not feeling fine? Why am, why is this happening to me? And it's, it becomes a vicious cycle, right? Where it's then that, you know, sort of being hard on ourselves or self criticism then ends up creating more stress and more symptoms and more isolation from others. And so a lot of times, yeah, people, I found myself there times too. Whereas, like, why am I here all by myself without, you know, without self love, without love in the community. And sometimes it just feels that way. We kind of lose track and when we think about it, we go, oh, actually there's all these people I could reach out to, you know, for support. And there, and there's ways that I can just talk differently to myself or have an awareness for myself. And all of a sudden it just shifts, right? It's just this, it really is a matter of a slight shift. It doesn't, it seems like it would be difficult to shift it, but it doesn't have to be. Or tell me, tell me what you think about that. Like, how do we shift that pattern?

Yeah, And I think, I think we're looking for like a hard scientific answer. And there is a bunch of science and we share that in the Love is Medicine project, of course, and you're part of that. But it is, it's kind of return back to the truth of who we are. And it's, it's doing simple things. Like, you know, if you have a busy schedule, then that means you need to get one of your clients as yourself.

One of your clients is yourself, or one of your clients is your time that you read to your children. I think there are a lot of lies we tell ourselves, like quality over quantity. That's not really reality when it comes to nurturing yourself. Relationships with your spouse, your lover, your partner, your children. Like, no quantity and quality matters. Quantity of sleep matters. And quality of sleep, you know, quantity of food and the quality. So we tell ourselves these lies or we say like everything in moderation. But what happens there is like the bar keeps getting higher. Like if you think about watching television, right? When I was growing up in the early 80s, television turned off at a certain time at night. So moderation in watching television was a certain place. Now there's zillion channels on 24 hours a day. So moderation might be watching or being online for hours a day. So I think it's just getting back to who we are, being really thoughtful and getting back into our bodies. We spend so much time, as you're saying, Donni, rushing through our life. We spend so much time in our head and we forget about the rest of our body that's connected to it and we do it at our own demise. We don't listen. One of the things I taught myself to do do are these little like self awareness check ins where I pay attention instead of like closing my eyes and going deep within and breathing deep. That's good. But that's not how I move through my day. So I set my phone and now I do it automatically. And I'd say, okay, what's going on right now? What am I feeling? Like, what is the temperature? Like, what is the lighting like in here? Have I not been outside enough.

Pee? And I've been holding it because I've had client after client is my digging into my side. Like these seem like simple things, but when you, when you train yourself to stop and pay attention to these subtle issues, then what happens is you start to pay attention to the bigger issues and just the big changes that you need to reconnect those different areas.

Oh, I love that. And it's. I can. Yeah, I'm sure everybody can relate to those examples that you gave. You know, you start to realize that you've been kind of delaying yourself, procrastinating, you know, taking care of yourself just to get through one more thing. And I think we really do feel like we're, we're supposed to be able to do that. And I don't think that's supposed, I think that's a myth too, right? Like, we're not supposed to be able to ignore ourselves and get through a big task list. What should be is we were just like you said, we're one, we're this, we're part of nature. And just like a plant, it needs water, it needs food, it needs light. And when we start to think of yourself that way, like you're saying, you start to go, hey, I need a little check in time. Maybe it's every 30 minutes or every 60 minutes to just be like, hey, what? What do I need in my environment and in my body in order to be able to maintain at a really optimal level.

And to not be hard on yourself. If you realize, oh my gosh, I've been denying myself this all this time, use it more as a curiosity and sort of learning experience and go, okay, that means that maybe tomorrow when I set up my schedule. I'm going to schedule the meeting slightly differently, or I'm going to mention that I need to build in breaks so that I can be sure that it happens. I like how you said almost make yourself your own client. Like, sometimes I have talked about that with patients. Sometimes it's just saying, put yourself in your schedule. You know, like, sometimes we actually have to kind of trick ourselves into it, right? Set a little reminder or actually put yourself in the calendar so that those moments can happen. And sometimes I think it seems like it has to be a big. Like, you're like, well, how am I going to do that? I have so much stuff to do. I don't have time. But it doesn't have to be four hours or anything like that. It can be 30 seconds. That can make a big difference, would you say?

Yeah, and I think that once you get used to those 30 seconds and you can blend that into a time, that's more rational, because we have to remember it was the Industrial revolution that set this new time clock for us. That really isn't what nature intended. And we can't go back in time, right? We can't go back in time. But with the dot, like, we used to work, you know, Seattle miners would take lanterns, but we used to work from daylight till dusk. And that work included, you know, our real work. And then, like, preparing food and things like that, that's another way we've become disconnected from nature. I mean, there is a reason why food has color and texture and scent, and there's a reason why our bodies have receptors for all that. And I believe a very important part of nutrition is that interaction between self and preparing the food. And that is something we've totally deprived ourselves of. I think you're right. When you can take 30 seconds to start, then you can start realizing how good it feels. And it becomes like a. Like a good addiction to, like, to take care of yourself.

Oh, I like that. Yeah. Like, yeah, get it. Be willing to allow yourself to get addicted to taking. Paying attention to the signals your body is giving you, and then giving your body what it needs and thinking about it as love is really beautiful, you know, because I think it. It's something that we know we need is love, and we look for it in different ways. A lot of times we're looking to receive love from someone else, and yet that a lot of times leaves people feeling like they don't have enough or they don't have what they need. When, if we can start to have this awareness and acceptance of Ourselves as humans who in part of nature and acceptance of the signals our body is giving us, then it can be this different experience of love that maybe people haven't had before.

Yeah. And we've just kind of trained ourselves away from it. We might have talked about this before, but I think about animals. So you know, animals live in their habitat unless they're put in nature. Put in like a zoo or a factory farm or something like that. Right. In nature, animals rely on their instinct. And when they are taken out of that wilderness, they lose a lot of that instinct. And I think that's happens. We are all very intuitive. And when we are constantly distracting ourselves by scrolling and swiping and watching and looking away from what our real needs are, our need to connect, our need to rest, our need to care for ourselves, our need to relate to each other, our need to move and be moved. You know, you can't, you're not really awe. I think that's why some websites, they have like these, you know, beautiful inspirational quotes and stuff go wild. Because people are looking to be moved and being moved is really important for functional connectivity and your vagus nerve and all sorts of things. But this is not real. Your life is all around you right now and that is real. And when you start connecting back into that. What I found is I started really increasing my intuition and realized intuition wasn't something that just other people had. Like I had it too. And you have it and everyone has it. One of the things I did is I started this journal of every time I messed up my intuition, meaning every time I thought to myself, I knew it. I should have listened. I knew I shouldn't have done this deal. I knew I shouldn't have partnered up with this person. I knew I shouldn't have gone on a second date. I knew I shouldn't have eaten that. I knew I should have taken a different route to this location. Every time I started taking note of that and it sounds like it was. It might be something negative, but what it did is it built this body of evidence of every time my intuition was speaking to me.

You started realizing it's there a lot of the time. And of course we know that the. We know. We can even look at the science of the brain and how our brain is knowing what we want and finding it for us. And we call that intuition. Right. But learning to kind of have an awareness for it and trust it is a different thing. And a lot of times we doubt it, you know, but how awesome that you just, you're bringing Attention to it and noticing, oh, here's the times when my. My brain identified what I wanted and I ended up not choosing it. What the heck, I'm blocking myself from getting where I'm trying to go.

Yeah. And not just in our brains, our whole body, because things are inside our whole body.

Yes.

Our nervous system. And. And we have. I call them the three heart. So I call it in your head because.

Love it.

Because it's an organ of emotion and learning and memory. Your heart and your chest, the same thing. Heart, math, Research. Yes. Yeah. They say that the heart receives information and gives information to your brain and other parts of your body. And in your gut. You know so much about the gut, gut, health and the enteric nervous system. So we know that we're taking in all this data from all our symptoms and there's senses that we don't know so much about. But research really bringing up, like, we have olfactory receptors in our kidneys.

Isn't that something? I really think there is so much we don't realize because it feels invisible to us. You know, we can't see our kidneys or we can't see it. So we. We're used to only trusting something we can see. But I love this point of how all of these interconnected systems in our body are perceiving and giving us information. We just have to be ready to hear it from them, notice it and respond to it.

Sight is just one. What do you tell a blind person? That everything that they can't see doesn't exist? I mean, absolutely not. Sight is just one way. And our sight can do so much more for us than we realize. Animals, when they migrate, they have a magnetic sense called magnetoception where they can detect electromagnetic fields. And it's thought that that has a lot to do with migration. Well, there has been research that shows animals, humans have a similar cryptochrome. So what does this mean? What does this mean for research? When people feel like they're in the right place at the right time, or they feel at home at certain places, or they can tell when they're being stared at? Research. Bodies of research about this, about dogs knowing. Like Rupert Sheldrake wrote a book called Dogs who Know When Their Owners Are Coming Home. And they tested. They had dogs in other people's cars. They had other dogs, they had other people. They had different types of vehicles. And the dogs time and time again knew when it was there.

So my dog does that.

Really?

Yeah. Yeah, she does. She can. I can see when she. You Know, she knows certain cars even before we can see it, like, it's just coming down the road. And she can. Well, she definitely knows the UPS track too, you know, so she. But she knows her response right away, you know, to the vehicle and to think, oh, we have that ability, too.

Yeah. Well, animals haven't been duped by commerce and, you know, into just relying on their sense of sight. Dogs have never had to evolve that way, you know, so they use all of their senses. And we have chemo sensing, which, you know, animals. It's been tested too. I think it's called, like, biotherapeutics or something where, you know, animals can sometimes sniff a cancer.

Smell cancer, because the cells are replicating differently. And animals.

And we know from rat studies, there were studies where rats are isolated for several generations and they haven't seen any predators or any other mice or rats or anything. And then when they introduce the scent of a predator, you know, let's say it's just a little dropper that that rat would have a fearful posturing. Wow. I mean, so there's. There's. There's chemical senses that we take in that give us information. Those rats could tell if it was a predator or not, if it was male or female.

Wow.

Or not. So we're taking in all this information.

And it is part of our intuition, and we can strengthen that and we can use that as part of love from nature and how we can love ourselves. Mm.

I love that I. It's so fun to. I mean, I know, Razi, that you read so much research, and I love how you, you know, here you are as someone who's just passionate about the information. You read the research, and then you see, hey, this is how we can apply this to our life for our benefit. And that's exactly what I hear you doing here, is you're like, hey, if we can, what can we learn from animals that's got to be the same for us, and how can we then. But it takes that initial commitment, I think, to. Or that intention that, like, I want to do whatever I can and understand my body any way that I can to benefit my health, which will also benefit my family. Right? So you're already coming from. Starting from that place, and then from there, you're like, wow, I just found out this and this and this and such curiosity that you start to go, wow, what can I do? You're so willing to look at yourself and say, what can I do differently? Based on this information, which I think is just so beautiful, you know, because I think sometimes. Sometimes we get too busy or too afraid or to make changes or what is someone else gonna think if I try this or say this? And you don't seem stopped by that. You just. You're just like, this is. This is where I am and what I'm doing, and I'm going to just take this information and learn from it and study myself.

I think it's because I know I'm not an expert. Like, this has been a journey for me. This has been a journey to heal areas of my life, you know, past or recent past. You know, like I like to say, and part of the Love is Medicine project. And, you know, this is a doctor, healing isn't where you just, oh, we're here, we park, we get out. You know, it's like things happen in life, you know? Just June, when I was interviewing some experts for the Love is Medicine project, I had 22 days of migraines. Like, horrible migraines, and it was devastating. The pain woke me up at night, and I was feeling like a total hypocrite. Like, here I am in this project helping people learn how to heal, and I'm starting to crumble again. But it was such a gift because I realized, wow, I have unplugged from some of these things. I was putting all my time in work and in a project, and I had started to slowly peel back from spending every morning in my garden and grounding from my morning rituals, from spending more time reading to my kids at night to spending more time preparing the meal, doing things quick. And it was, you know, those pains were a message. They were a love letter.

Wow.

To think about that, to think of pain as a love letter. I know what you. You know that I have a history of migraines, too, you know, 25 years of migraines. And I love how you're saying, like, and I think that's what I did, too, is like, hey, if I'm getting migraines, there's a reason. Let me look at what are these, like I say, love letters from my body that are telling me what is it that's missing? What is it that I can do differently that could prevent the migraine? Good for you.

Well, thanks. I mean, like, it's a journey. And I just, you know, this isn't my day job, right? Publishing the journal is my day job. We're just relaunching the International Journal of Naturopathic Medicine programs were building. But this started as just like, it was feeding my soul to research how my relationships impacted my Physiology. How have my relationships to myself impacted my physiology? How or lack of impacted my physiology? So I started writing and blogging about it, then I started podcasting about it and realizing that other people can go on this journey with me. And I owe that lot of the insight to what I've learned from naturopathic doctors.

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That's.

Yeah, that's. It's. Oh. I just. I think, you know, this has got to feel very inspiring to everyone who's listening, you know, to just really see how you. You take it and implement and you live this, you know, as you're. As you're in. And even as you're working on this project, you're learning from the experience. And I think that's true. We tend to learn when we're in a challenge. I know for me, when I was working on writing a book about natural insomnia solutions, I found myself having to look at my sleep patterns, you know, and go, if I'm working on this, I need to sleep, see what I'm doing with my sleep. And actually finishing that book really helped me shift my relationship with sleep. I realized that I was one of those people who tended to just stay up late because I felt like I needed to get certain projects done, and so I would end up with fewer hours of sleep.

Because I wasn't really valuing those hours of sleep enough. And so when I. In writing the book, I realized, oh, my gosh, I sleep. So much happens when we're sleeping. It's essential, you know, like, it's not like you just go to sleep and nothing's happening. When you. When we sleep, our brains are healing and our body's repairing and our hormones are resetting, and if we don't get those hours of sleep, that seems like we're laying there doing nothing. But actually, so much is going on. It's essential, and it's our way for our body to recover. And so really, so I know what you mean. When you're working on a project and it almost brings it to a head for you, where now you have to look at yourself and go, if I'm going to do this project or write this book, I actually need to look at how am I implementing this for myself and how that can, you know, how that can actually shift things for my own health, which is so awesome.

I like what you're saying about sleep because I think I love gardening and I love fruit trees. And when trees are dormant, they look kind of bare, and they look like nothing's happening. But if your trees don't have the right amount of dormancy or they don't have the proper temperature. Like they don't have enough chill hours. That tree isn't going to set fruit. Wow.

Right. It just shows you we need that. We need that for. And it's this balance. Right. It's like if we want the productivity during the day or the fruit season, we have to have the. The rest and recovery time. Well, tell us just a little bit about with the love is medicine project. What should they expect when they're watching? When can they watch? How does all that work?

Okay, so it starts. It's live and it's free. Seven day journey to sort of get back to these three areas of love and self connection. And so it starts September 16th.

Okay.

16Th through the 23rd. And it's free. So everyone can go there and RSVP the love is medicine project. And you're probably gonna put a link here.

Yes, yes, yes, I'll put a link so you can sign up and reserve your spot. Totally.

Yeah. And so the first episode is called it's not all in your head. And that's kind of like a double entendre for me because I had. And many people that had chronic illness have been told that it's all in their head. Right. About getting back into your body. And we start there talking about the messages from your body, how to pay heed to them. Many experts give clues and ideas and practices how you can do that. Then the next episode, we talk about, like.

How we get sick and how we heal, you know, because we eventually think that, like, oh, we don't know how this happens, but it's not random. Like how when they say in research, you know, 90 to 95% of cancer is caused by environment and lifestyle. Nobody pauses to think. Will probably naturopath do. But like, what is lifestyle? It's how you style your life. Mm. You move through every moment. It's not like, oh, okay, I don't smoke, I have a good lifestyle. Or it's not that. It's about every second. It's a mathematical equation, Bonnie, that every moment of your life, you have a decision to make and how you choose. Love or not love matters. We talk about healing the past and healing the future. So we talk about trauma and how that causes disease, but we don't leave it just hanging there. We talk about ways to overcome that. We talk about self love and love for others, exploring how relationships, intimacy, friendship, social connection, how that helps and then the self. One of the things I love is like, Charlie Croftley One of his things is talking about honesty and how being honest with yourself is really powerful medicine. You know, because sometimes it's like, you know, when a. For those of us who've had parenting, when your two year old goes like this, they think no one can see them.

Yeah, yeah.

Ourselves, we think if nobody can watch us, you know, if nobody can see the fact that I haven't exercised or I haven't slept right. Then maybe it doesn't really exist. But you can't really lie to yourself. Right. Your body is always going to respond. And then we move into the wisdom of the body and talking about the truth about symptoms and how we shouldn't suppress symptoms and we talk about intuition. And then at the end we just kind of bring it all together with how to kind of move forward now in a new place. So there are lots of practical ideas from experts like you and many others, but we don't. What's unique about it is it doesn't say like this is what you're going to eat. And in fact, I made sure I left all that out of that. It's like.

You know, with your care providers and people that matter to you, you decide what's right.

Yeah.

Journey. And I'm really excited. I would just really, from the bottom of my heart like to invite anyone listening to join us. Donni. Because I think that it's just a small and powerful shift. We need to make this whole idea of hacking and thinking we're going to get healthy by somehow hacking, hacking nature, hacking our health, like that's just not really the laws of nature. So we can just go back to this more feminine and nurturing aspect of it's all around us and tapping into that so we can heal.

Oh my gosh. It really. I was so glad to be so grateful to be part of the project. So I can't wait to see all of it. Also, what a creation you've made. And also it really sounds to me like it's such a foundational piece, especially for people who maybe have felt like they tried to help their health but then they maybe they feel like they're on the wagon or off the wagon or they can't quite. Maybe they feel like they keep searching for this one right piece of information and they just can't quite get it all to come together. It sounds to me like what this. But this whole series of videos could do is help people to. Instead of looking for something outside or trying to fit a certain mold, it's more about how can I know Myself and what my body needs. Because from that place, you can figure out the details of your diet or your vitamins or whatever, but you're starting from knowing your body and yourself, so it brings you to a center place to start from.

I love that. And I've heard, I've been getting messages from doctors who are saying, hey, I'm going to schedule a watch party with my patients, or they're sharing with their patients. Because it's going to help. It's going to help their patients comply and stick to the plan that they put together with their doctor.

Yeah, because you're actually choosing for yourself instead of choosing for some external thing. It's like how to do. And I. I really find that that makes a difference for people, that. That feeling of, hey, I accept myself. I accept that I can get information about what my body needs and then I can choose it. Like you're saying, choose it in each moment and learn along the way with this sense of not conditionality like acceptance and love, which is actually just a whole different pathway that is much more likely to be successful.

Yeah. And like, you know, we can't hack. We live in a world that there is cause and effect. Right. Chemistry everywhere. Our lives are the same. So, you know, there are. Who was it? Was it Bruce Lipton that says there are no side effects, only effects? That's true with anything. You know, for a walk, you smoke a cigarette, you don't forgive someone. You know, whatever you do, there is going to be an effect. And if we're really not just mindful, but in our whole bodies as we move through all of these decisions that we have as humans, you know, they'll just add up and saying about, like, it's more the intrinsic motivation instead of just somebody telling somebody what they have to do, then you're not connected to it. Mm.

Yeah. That's such a. Oh, my gosh. I can't. I'm very excited. I think it really. There's a lot of people who have been probably looking for this information and. And you're putting it together for them to be able to access. So thank you for doing that and yeah, thank you for this conversation. I'll definitely be sharing this with everyone that I can. And the link to sign up and. Yeah, I just can't wait. So thank you, Razzie.

Thanks, Donny. Thanks for being part of the project and part of the journey. I learned a lot from you as I.