What Is Quantum Healing? How Can It Help Heal the Effects of Stress and Trauma?

Hi and welcome to How Humans Heal Today. I'm really looking forward to introducing you to Deborah Wayne. She's the founder of the International Chronic Pain Institute and author of why Do I Still Hurt? Thank you so much for joining me today, Deborah.

Hi, Donnie. Hello, everyone. Very happy to be here. Thanks for having me.

It's so good to see you. I have, Deborah and I have spent quite a bit of time together at events, and so I really, whenever I see you, I just get all these good feelings and I just look forward to connecting with you. And I'm so happy to be able to share what you do with the How Humans Heal audience, because really, you're helping people transform their lives at a very deep level. I know, reaching people who haven't been helped and even though they've tried a lot of different things and they're still, still not feeling good. And so I want to dive into that more. What does that mean? What are the conditions you help with? What does that mean to be still in pain and hurt? But first, just share with us briefly, how did you get to be doing what you do so everybody can get to know you a little bit more as a person?

So I got here because of a tremendous amount of pain. And I'm not talking just physical pain. Even though, yes, I had that. I had a lot of mysterious joint pain and muscle pain, and nothing was showing up on medical tests. And this is back over 30 years ago now. I literally woke up one morning and I could not stop crying and I couldn't get off the floor of my closet and I couldn't get dressed and I couldn't go to work because the pain was so overwhelming. But it was also very deep emotional pain. I felt I would flip from anxiety to depression, anxiety to depression. I had a very critical mind. I had a committee in my head that was just all the time crazy.

I think a lot of people know that. Committee in their head.

Yeah, right. And they never shut up. And I just was exhausted. I had severe fatigue, my hair was falling out, I had ulcers, my thyroid didn't work. But nothing showed up as abnormal on a test. I, I, I just couldn't stand how I felt one more day. And I had been faking it for a long time, and I was very highly functional, so you would never have known. I had an amazing career, big house, husband, money in the bank, brand new BMW in the garage. From the outside looking in, I would have thought, oh, that person's life is great. But I was bankrupt. And I had that day just the dark night of the soul. And I screamed out from the floor of my closet to, at the time, a God I didn't believe in. And I said, if there's anything out there, help me. Help me. I. I need help. And I had a really unexpected, profound spiritual experience. And it rocked my world. And the entire closet became filled with this presence of peace and a deep feeling of unconditional love that I had never felt before. I immediately felt calm. I stopped crying. Inner intuitive voice. I heard, everything's going to be fine. You're going to be okay. And I know this sounds wacky. I mean, at the time I thought, am I cracking up? But I. I've never been the same since that day. I. After that moment, I got up, I. I got out of the closet, I got dressed, I went to the phone, I called someone that I knew was a professional, and I asked for help. Just to come talk to them and tell them the truth about how I was feeling. Not, oh, this hurt and that, but how I was feeling. And my life started to change. And I spent a lot more time in meditation and in nature and in listening inside instead of searching outside for the answer in one more test, one more place. And, Donnie, this is how I ended up literally creating all the work that's enabled me to help tens of thousands of people all over the world. It's why I'm here today. Like, I never looked back. And, yeah, it's been a long journey and a lot happened along the way, but that's why I crashed, I burned, and I changed.

Wow.

That worst day of my life turned out to be the turning point.

Isn't that something? And this is. How long ago was that?

It was over 30 years ago.

Wow.

Yeah.

Wow. So that just propelled you on this totally different path of understanding for yourself what that meant and then sharing it with others so they could experience it, too.

Yeah, exactly. And really, I mean, I. Everything changed in my life. I. I found out so many things I was doing, so many of the choices I made, almost all of my thinking, it was just upside down, backwards, and wrong for me. And I had to do a lot of work. And it. It works if you work it. So. So everything changed. And I found that purpose.

It's amazing because, I mean, so many of us are walking through life feeling lost, that we have lost our purpose and we've lost our.

As you mentioned, we get focused on these external things and we kind of lose track of who am I really and what am I really wanting to do with my life? And so I think that's a really common experience. And yet a lot of times it's just so familiar to keep doing the same thing, right, like, and realizing, okay, if I want my health to change and I want my life to be different, I'm going to have to change something.

People do not recognize the deep connection between their choices and their health. I certainly didn't. I followed the formula I was taught as a young girl to go to school, go to college, get married, get the house, get the car. I followed the formula. I was supposed to be completely happy. And I'm not saying any of those things are bad and wrong, but I. The choices I made did not line up with my soul. And so I found myself at a place where I was living and I was functioning, but inside I was dying. And I thought, I can't tell or talk about this because they're going to think, what's wrong with you? Why aren't you happy? You know, you're supposed. You're doing everything right. But my health was suffering in a big way, and that's an indicator. You know, you're. Your body doesn't lie. And we just try to fix the car parts. But the fact is, it goes much, much deeper, and we need a deeper conversation if people truly want to heal. And I know you get that.

I. I do. And I'm thinking to myself, for anyone listening, how. If they are listening, how might they. What symptoms. What are the common symptoms? When pa. When people come to you for help, what. What are. Because I know you named the symptoms you were experiencing, but what are the common things that people say, hey, I've been experiencing this, and I. I'm tired of it and I want to change.

So here are the. Here's the list. It's quite a list. Exhaustion, the fatigue just doesn't end.

Often it's digestion and a lot of digestive drama. But they do elimination diets, they take supplements. They. They even do testing, and nothing changes, no matter what they do.

Insomnia, huge insomnia. People haven't slept in decades, or they don't sleep through the night, or they wake up 1500 times, or, you know, it's some form of not sleeping well or sleeping through the night, or even when they sleep, they wake up and they don't feel rested. This is a big indicator. The other one, there's quite a lot. Sometimes it's thyroid, and it's either underactive or overactive, but it shows up as a thyroid symptom. But when we really have a deeper conversation we find out they are not expressing what they really are and they're, they're either mad about it and it's spewing out all over the place, or it's shut off completely and it's just completely shut down.

That's that throat chakra, right, Throat chakra.

This, the, the communication center. People don't feel seen and heard and they're suppressing themselves. It's a big one. Chronic pain people come with fibromyalgia and arthritis all the time and they're told, there's nothing we can do for you. You're going to have to learn to live with this. Oh, it's aging well. If that were true.

I, I, I have seen about 99.9% of the people who have come to me with chronic physical pain issues either become pain free or almost completely pain free. And so it can't be true if it's never going to change.

So this is a big one because millions of people around the world are suffering from chronic physical pain. And I just really can't stress enough how this is related to a much deeper conversation that you're not having. And it, and there's so much that can be done. So. Oh, another biggie is migraine headaches and different types of headaches, but in particular many people, thousands of people suffering from migraines very related to other factors that are being overlooked.

This is actually when I met you, I was still getting migraines. And I still say like, even just one session with you and I the migraine stop happening. I'm like, was that, I'm like, wow, Deborah, amazing. So I mean, I tell your story.

Do you? Because I, it's amazing how many doctors who got migraines going through medical school and then the pattern got established and they never got rid of the migraines. And I think of you every time this happens. And yeah, you were just a perfect example of boom. We interrupt the pattern, it's gone and you shift and you move on. It was so exciting.

Yeah, it's amazing. And I think that with these, a lot of these conditions you're mentioning, the theme is like where the standard view is that it's quote, never going to change. You have to live with this. This is, and so we kind of become resolved that this is, we're just going to be in pa Emotional pain, physical pain, all kinds of just not feeling good and we're supposed to carry through with our lives or we people end up addicted to pain medications or if it's not a physical pain Medication or it's an emotional pain medication. Right. This is where addictions start, I think. Do you find?

Absolutely, absolutely 100%. I mean, so many people come to me and they've been diagnosed with anxiety or depression. They're having panic attacks. The only solution that was offered to them was a highly.

Suppressing pill that they became both mentally and physically hooked on. And they're afraid to live without it. But the symptoms aren't even going away. This is the true insanity. It's the same with physical pain. There are people, I have people, oh my God. Living on these very dangerous addicting opioids and other painkillers. And then the sleep aids and then the pills to get them through the day and the caffeine and nothing is taking away the problem, but they're afraid to stop taking the drugs. And you can't just take yourself off of those. And, you know, this goes on for decades for people. It's very frightening the way we deal with this and especially when there really are solutions and people don't know about this. So I'm very grateful to be able to have this conversation today.

So where do you once people kind of recognize, okay, I, maybe I have a condition that I thought it was just the way it's going to be, but maybe it can change. We just start to get a glimmer of hope and then we say, okay, Deborah, what do I do? What do you see as those first steps in the change pathway?

Yeah. There are three specific areas we have to explore. And if you do this, there's nowhere else to look. Number one, we have to look at the mental habits, the habitual thought habits. And most people walk around for a very, very long time with very negative thinking. That's fear based and that isn't even true. But they never examine it and they're never taught how to properly use their mind. And thoughts are a force as real as electricity. So they're all day long sending out a signal, sending out a signal, sending out a signal, sending out energy which comes back to them in exactly what they don't want. They don't even recognize they're doing this and no one's pointing that out. So number one, we have to go in, we have to find and release the damaging, destructive thought patterns. Then the second thing, and this is the real key, because this is like putting gas in a car. It's the emotions. And wow, I could talk for a month about the emotions. Because emotions, every emotion emits a frequency. These frequencies are measurable, they are powerful, they affect Organs, they affect the immune system and they affect the nervous system.

We're all interconnected, right? We don't often realize like, we think it's like a physical level and an emotional level, but they're, they're actually talking to each other.

That's exactly it. It's what I call a mind, body, emotion, energy complex. It's one unit working together. And unfortunately we have all of these separated as if. Well, this is that department and that department. We don't deal with that here, but we have to deal with all of these. They connect to each other. And the emotions, unfortunately, have been looked at as. Don't bring that here. We'll leave that to psychiatry. That is not to be left to psychiatry. It's. Everyone's making every choice from an emotion. And if you aren't aware of this, that means you're making unconscious choices all day long that are affecting your health, your life, your relationships, your finances, your romances, everything you do.

I remember one day I realized this, I'm like, even if, because sometimes it's like we delay making a choice or I would do that, I would delay. But even if I, if I don't make the decision, it's actually a decision still being made, the non decision. And usually then someone else makes the decision and it may not be what I want.

That's exactly it. You know, it's torture to not make a decision. People are afraid of doing it wrong, making a mistake, so they don't do anything, which is actually worse than just saying no or yes. And it can cause so much anxiety and so much disruption. And like you said, when you don't take charge of your choices, life makes them for you. And then you're a victim. And this is the worst place of all to be. You feel powerless. And it's true, you have no power if you let life and other people determine your choices. So we have to find and we have to release the damaging emotions and we have to become aware of what our emotions are and where we put them in the body when we don't want to feel them. Because if we do this long enough, they come out sideways as a symptom. And I'm talking severe symptoms. So mind, emotions, and then the fastest way and the most overlooked area is the energy field. This is the field of information that surrounds the body. And every living thing has this, what's known as a biofield, an information field. And yet it's still so unfamiliar to most people that if you look there, it's like a recording device. And it has every single thing in imprinted vibrationally in this biofield that's ever happened to you, whether it's been great for you and it made you happy or it was disturbing to you and you don't even remember it. And we can find the problems in the energy fields, release them, and speed up your healing process. And this is why I'm so passionate about what I do. Because it's how you got a migraine for all those years and then poof, in one session, gone.

Yeah. Wow. It's like I'm trying to think, like almost like I want to. I'm imagining like a hologram, maybe a little bit different than that, but it's like a sort of this energetic memory that we can't see, but the way we experience it is in our symptomology.

That's exactly right. I think of it as a library, an energetic library. And it's actually think of it like sound waves, sound and music that got imprinted and embedded. But in this field of information, and it can be felt, some people can see it. I can actually feel it. And when I scan the energy field, just like an MRI would pick up on it. And there even is equipment. But it's very rare that people find this equipment. It comes out of Japan and Russia and it measures the energy field. It takes a photograph of the, of the information, throws it up on a computer screen. It shows you exactly where there are problems with your energy, both your physical and your emotional. And it will, it's life changing to see it. But this is real science. It's measurable, it's. People can feel it, but they don't trust that what they feel is, is accurate. And then the, the, the equipment that we typically use isn't strong enough to measure the subtle energy field. That's the problem. It's more subtle than the physical. The more dense the vibration, the more physical it is. But the physical is the last place that anything shows up. So we could, we could really help a lot more people if we worked at the subtle energy level, found things years before it even showed up in the physical. And then if it already was in the physical, we could still work on it via the energy field in a faster, safer way.

Yeah, it's, it's really amazing when we, we start to look at this, the science of these energy fields and to, to learn how to use that for our benefit. Right. And it's, I think sometimes it's because it's invisible. We're used to being able to kind of see things but actually a lot of things we don't, we think we see, we see a pill we're swallowing, but we don't really see what that pill is doing inside of us. And, and so just to get used to, you know, sort of, even if you don't, even if a person doesn't necessarily themselves see or feel the energy at first, they can work with you to help them to identify it and work with it. Is that right?

Absolutely. You know, and I love what you just said because we have a lot of faith in invisible things. All the time. Everything we eat, everything we swallow, we're taking in that information in a particular form and we have no clue what it's actually doing. And yet people will, you know, they will allow even think about even surgery. You're not even consciously awake during the surgery.

It's scary.

It's terrifying. Yes. So the fact that people think it's too woo woo or too, you know, I don't understand it. We don't have to understand it for it to work. We don't understand most things. I don't even understand how electricity works, but I flip that switch and the lights go on. So it is very true that we, we don't have enough time, energy and attention spent on the invisible realm, which is just as real and important as the physical realm. And this is the disconnect is this.

Would you say this is what's referred to as quantum physics. And along those lines, yeah, it's all.

Based on principles from quantum physics, which is science. It's very real. And we can, we just, we know that everything is energy. Everything, everything, everything, everything, whether it's visible or invisible, is made of energy and light, particles of light and information that is vibrational. And that this is the key in that we know that energy changes form all the time. It's not permanent, it never dies, and it's changeable. And what's so exciting about that is that your symptoms, your body, it's all changeable. Whether it's anxiety, whether it's back pain, whether it's a pattern showing up in your life. It could be you're always getting fired from your job. It could be you just have trouble with money. All of these things have energetic principles.

At the foundation. So everything is changeable. And we're not taught this.

It's either stuck and in a repetitive pattern, or it's like, hey, are we. And sometimes we have to get to the point of being so sick and tired of these patterns for us to be willing to say, what else can I do. Right. And so that's why I suspect you often see people when they hit the end of their rope, so to speak, they're like, I can't do this another day. What can I do? But, you know, I'm hoping people listening, if they're already getting close to the end of the rope or not even, hopefully nowhere near the end of the rope, but you're just like, hey, you know what? I, I want to. I'm realizing, I really want. I'm willing to make some changes to shift what my future looks like and feels like then. Or what would you say? What are the. What would you. How would people know? Hey, I'm ready for this.

Well, it's exactly what you said. People wait too long. I waited too long. People wait till there's a crisis. We have lived in a world that really emphasize crisis management, not prevention. And if we really understood the value of going to the energy field first, everyone, this would be the first choice, not the last. And it's so important to recognize that this is fast, safe, and actually relaxing for most people. And we have a new science now that's also ancient spiritual wisdom. And the two are saying the same thing in a different language. And it's time we brought this back and into the forefront again. And science is doing that. And otherwise, you know, pain has great value. It eventually will move you forward, but you don't have to wait till you hit rock bottom, get off the elevator at any floor and prevent. Right. The closet crisis like I had. You just don't have to go there.

Oh my gosh, I love that. What would be some examples from, from history or from back in time of use of, of quantum physics.

Oh, God, it's so, so beautiful. So I have had people come in. I'll never forget Marianne. She came to a group event that I did live many years ago, and she had had 20 years with not a single day without pain from head to toe. And she was told, you have fibromyalgia. You're going to have this the rest of your life. I did a group healing experience. Which you've experienced before.

Yes.

And she was 100% pain free. By the end of that 40 minute, 45 minute experience, she it, this went into remission, never came back.

She was a new person. I mean, imagine.

Imagine all of a sudden, you can travel, you can play with your kids, you can go to the gym again. Like all of her life came back. This was so beautiful. We had hundreds and hundreds of people with fibromyalgia, like this pain free. No more patches, pills, nothing.

Another favorite example is a woman who had chronic vomiting and diarrhea for nine months, could not leave the house. Nothing showed up on a medical test. They wanted to do surgery, Donnie, but they didn't really know what was wrong with her. So imagine this. You're going to have your organs cut out, but they don't know what's wrong. She said, that's right through the line. She said, no. So somehow she found me in the first half hour of the conversation, before I even did the energy healing, discovered it was buried emotional pain that she had worked very hard to suppress to the point where literally it was coming out both ends. It was so painful.

It was coming out with all. Even though she kept trying to suppress it, it was finding a way out. Isn't that something?

It was finding a way out. I've seen this again and again, especially with vomiting. It's like the. I had it happen to me. I was at yoga one morning and all of a sudden I felt like I was going to throw up. I left the yoga class. I went into the ladies room. I just stood over the sink expecting to vomit. And within about a minute, I found myself sobbing my eyes out. I didn't even know why I was so upset, but I had been holding something in. Obviously. I cried, sobbed. Went back and finished the yoga class. Done. No vomiting. This is the power of emotions I have had people with.

One woman came from, straight from the er, came into my office, this is years ago, and said, I'm having a heart attack. You've got to help me. They turned me away at the er. They said they took the test. I'm not. They said, you don't. You're not having a heart attack. She had every symptom of a heart attack. We had a conversation. I worked on her. It turned out the pressure, the mental and emotional pressure she had been putting on herself for family matters literally manifested as every symptom of a heart attack. She left that day, no symptoms, no heart attack, went home, had a conversation with her husband, never to return to a heart attack. I mean, oh, my God. Right?

It really. And I see this. See, like, what you're sharing, just so everybody knows, too. I mean, I hear these stories too, with patients where, you know, we. We can. It's amazing sometimes these connections that are made and when it's. When it's. Yourself.

Yeah.

We're so used to the way it is. Sometimes it's hard to see these things for ourselves and we experience different things in our Lives, you know, different traumas, different like you say, patterns, certain ways of dealing with our lives. And, and oftentimes these things are set from childhood. You know, this is this, we're just beliefs that this means this or anticipating that this is going to happen again. And we, it's not even conscious, it just becomes part of our, our unconscious experience. And, and when sometimes it's. Once you start talking to other people or like working with you, then it becomes so clear and you're like, how did I miss that all this time? It was right under my nose.

People say this all the time. And you know, you just, you, you just mentioned something very important, which is the trauma, especially from childhood. We don't remember it, but it got imprinted. And so often times I'll work with people who. It's very common to see weight gain that won't come off no matter what, or the insomnia or tremors, seizures, even things like.

Just so much emotional anxiety and fears and not knowing why. But it comes back from things that happen early in childhood that they either vaguely or don't remember at all. And the six year old is running the 60 year old life, still running it, it's very unconscious. But again, this is powerful for trauma. And if there's been especially abuse, sexual abuse, physical abuse, violence, neglect, narcissism, oh God, narcissism. All of these things go underground because we're wired to stay alive. So we will even compromise a part of ourselves and what's best for us to just physically stay alive. But then people wake up decades later and they go, I'm just so not happy. And they look around and they see other people are not suffering like this. What's wrong with me? And they start to feel cursed or karma. They wonder if it's their karma or they feel like they're defective and they make feel ashamed. They don't want to talk about it. This all needs to come out in the open with someone you feel safe with because it's all changeable and it's creating terrible health hazards. I had one woman with stage four cancer for the second time. Well, the first time she had stage two breast cancer. They gave her chemo and radiation. Two years later, the cancer's back, but this time it's bone as well and it's stage four. And they said, you're too far gone, we have nothing to offer you.

So. I know, right? So I don't know how she found me, but the. There was a subtle energy research lab that, that wanted me to work on her in the lab so they could study this and see if it would be effective. Yeah, it was fascinating. So I was not allowed to speak to her before, during or after. I didn't even know what was going on with her. T. After I worked on her once a week for three weeks. They videoed it. They used all this equipment that came out of Japan. And all I know is that in the second session she burst out crying. And she sobbed for about 20 minutes. And what I. And she had an MRI before, the day before I started working on her. And then the day after the final session. 82% reduction in all tumors. She had tumors everywhere. 82% reduction. And within a month was declared cancer free. And when I got to talk with this woman, she told me in that second session where she burst out crying, she became completely aware of how the cancer started. It was an argument with her late husband 15 years ago that was. She said, he killed me when he said this to me. And when he did this to me, he killed me. And she imprinted so much pain. And this took time, but over time, it manifested twice. First is the breast cancer, which is very common. These emotional hurts. Often these are. Shows up in the heart area. And then it just ate away. Literally it just ate away at her life. So she recovered fully. Was very exciting. It is amazing. It's just amazing.

Well, and I work with so many women who have risk of cervical cancer from abnormal pap smears. And I find that this is one of the most amazing things I see with them is working on this emotional, spiritual, energetic level where they identify and they, they realize how they've been. A lot of times it's not taking care of themselves, not prioritizing themselves, not protecting themselves. And when I, when I guide them to kind of get re. Empowered about owning their own body and their own space and their own energy, the, the HPV virus completely gives up and goes away because it doesn't like it's not going to survive in that environment. And, and we're preventing cervical cancer. So, you know, it's too. It's like we. I, I really see this pattern of why is it that for so many women it affects the cervix? It's the third most common cancer.

It's a powerful center. And I love that you're sharing this because I think a lot of women suffer in this area and they're afraid to talk about it. And there's been so much shame about, you know, sex and sexuality and sensuality and the parts that we don't want anyone to see or know about. And so this gets covered up. And it's the same with UTIs and.

Just so many urinary infections and things that I work with. I found strong emotional, emotional component. And once someone feels safe and they know they're being validated and cared for and they learn that they have to stand up and say no and take care of themselves and set boundaries and say no, I'm not going to, I'm not going to have that experience. I'm not going to take that person in or that negativity in. Things change, the physical body changes.

It's. It's really something. I'm so excited to get to talk to you about all of this and I want to make sure everyone knows how to find you and how. So when, when you work with people, just so people listening know like what does that look like? How do, how do you. Because I know you work a lot virtually. They don't have to come see you in person.

No, I actually don't see anyone in person. I haven't for about six or seven years. I close my office. I work virtually over zoom or phone. And I'm able to. I'm so sensitive, I can literally scan the energy field no matter where you live and you're in the comfort of your own home and you can see me and I can see you if you want to see me. But if some people are not comfortable with that, so you can turn your camera off, I don't need to even see you and I'll scan the field and I can instantly feel where there are disturbances in your energy field and what it feels like on your end. It's different for every person. It's usually quite relaxing. And what we found is that people drop into what's known as a theta state. This is a deep meditative healing brainwave state where your body goes into that parasympathetic nervous system which is the very relaxation response state. And you. Many people feel like they are kind of falling asleep, but they're not asleep, but they're deeply relaxed and the body's self healing mechanism kicks in. And most people report different sensations. Some people get intuitive information, they start to have their own awarenesses even without me asking questions. Many times people will say, oh my God, I know what happened, I know how this happened. I know what I need to do. Because see, we have that inner guidance and most people shut it down or don't trust it. And this awakens our intuition, our inner gps, so it feels usually relaxing. I guide people in and then I work on them quietly and then we talk about their experience. I answer questions, I follow up with them within a day or two. And often the results are even greater the day after the session than during. So it's not like one hour and then we're done. It's about a two or three day window where there's increase in benefits and it's life changing. And not everyone, I want to be very clear, not everyone has everything magically changed in one session. That does happen for a lot of people. But I've found that over the course of about four appointments, it's really impactful and you would have to pretty much fight me for something not to shift. So, so yeah, that's, you know, it's, it's a fun experience for people. They're, they have their minds expanded, they realize, wow, it's possible for me to change. And almost everybody feels hopeful again.

Amazing. And I, you reminded me, I, I know that you were mentioning the theta brainwave state. And, and a lot of people do find that they can experience some of these kind of shifts through the use of meditation, which has also been a really powerful tool for me and I, I love that too because it does put us into that place where we can access this quantum physics and ability to shift energy patterns. So it sounds like it's some of that and then more that you, you have your, your, you know, this like distance healing that can happen when that person's in that state.

Exactly. So meditation is a very slow burning way that it could take a lot. You know, it could take years, but you could get there on your own. I mean it, meditation is a healing experience if you do it consistently. This is like meditation on steroids. What I'm actually doing is bringing in a bandwidth of frequencies for you to give you a leg up. And you will resonate with the particular frequencies that you need. And people will see the colors of the frequencies. Some people will hear the sound, some people will feel the sensations in their body. Some people report feeling like they've had hands on chiropractic adjustments. I mean it's pretty wild the possibilities, but the, it's, it's a definite significant increase than just what you experience on meditation. I, I want people to do meditation after and to continue meditating. It's a perfect adjunct to this type of therapy.

I love it. Okay, great. I'm so glad to get to clarify that because people might be like, can I do this on my own? And then you're like, here's how you like this is why you, you were offering this gift, this high speed healing, and now it makes sense, this high speed, because you are really giving like a turbo boost. Tell us more about this high speed healing bundle.

So there's a bundle for you. For those of you who like to read, please go to my website, which is international cpi.com and you can download a digital copy of why Do I Still Hurt? Rapid relief for Chronic Pain, Depression, anxiety, trauma and more. And this will take the conversation I'm having today with Dr. Donnie Deeper. And it's like a workbook. So you'll be able to write and start to bring some of that unconscious information into your conscious awareness and start your healing. Now, for those of you who go, I'm never going to read a book. I know, I understand. I'm one of those people. Sometimes I have a video for you and you can watch it immediately. It's a masterclass that again, goes into a deeper conversation with some tools and tips and techniques you can start to practice. And then thirdly, you're going to be invited to one of my live Zoom calls. It's a group call sometimes you'll be able to ask me questions. It depends. I change it every time. It's a live call that, you know, every time I teach different things, I take questions from the audience. I work with people live. So it's a way for you to interact with me if you want to go to that level. Something for everyone.

Wonderful. Oh, my gosh, thank you so much. Because you really, I know you really work so hard to make it accessible and for people to understand and feel comfortable stepping into this and saying, hey, is this something that might help you? You know, especially just. I mean, I know when you've been through it yourself, feeling that awful, you're like, and now you feel so much better. You're like, I want other people to know this can happen for them. Right?

Absolutely. I mean, there's so much more. We limit what we think is possible for us and how. And yet, you know that little voice that says, God, it's just not supposed to feel like this. That's what keeps people searching and seeking sometimes for many, many, many years. And you want to listen to that voice because it is talking to you and it's telling you not to settle for a limited, painful life, no matter what type of pain. Like, we've somehow on the planet decided pain's normal. I don't buy it. I don't think pain is normal. I think health is our natural state. And we've gotten separated from our natural state and so we can go back into alignment to the right path. And that just takes being a little bit open minded, just trying something new that's not going to harm you in one bit. It's going to actually be relaxing.

I love it. Oh my gosh. This is with the podcast being named How Humans Heal. I am so glad to be bringing you into this, this library of access for people to learn. Like here is another path to, to help you heal. And I love this to say our natural state is to feel good and healthy and, and to redefine that and to even that just I think will bring some question marks for people and be like, oh, am I feeling good and how and aligned with my life. If not, start taking, getting access to this, this, this free bundle that you're offering to just start to explore the possibilities.

Absolutely. And I thank you so much for helping me get the word out. It's. There really is a lot to, to be hopeful for and not, you know, not to surrender and just give up and accept this is all there is. No. Take one more step and keep going.

Aw. Thank you so much, Deborah. So inspiring and I love the work that you do. So thank you for coming and sharing with us and I look forward to seeing you again soon.

My pleasure.

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