WHY Not Wednesday with Dr. Pat Boulogne

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Hello and welcome to why Not Wednesday. How are you guys doing today? I'm so excited to introduce you to our guest today. Dr. Pat Bologna who is a coach, a mentor, a lifestyle strategist, she's a speaker and a three time international best selling author. Welcome to the show Dr. Pat. How are you?

I'm doing great. Thanks so much for having me here. I am ready to rock and roll.

I am so glad you are ready to rock and roll. Now you've been on a 3,500 mile road trip. We were talking in the pre show. What was that all about? What were you doing?

Well, you know I had an opportunity to go up and do some work for a guy who I always work for and I'm his go to person to ask.

Yeah.

For office coverage in his office. So what I did. Hi Jordan. What I did is I got in the car and decided I was going to fly or not fly. And I went to visit my friends and so you know, and connected. We went out to our favorite restaurants, you know, laughed. The goal is to laugh at least five or seven, 10 times, 100 a night. And then you know I traveled on and I went to my next location and you know helped a friend of mine with her. She just lost her mother and her father was really, really quite sick and you know, and motivate him a little bit. And he was a medical doctor. And then I went up to upstate New York and hug a tree and hung out in an area that I just always gravitated to for health reasons. It's you know, it's clean air and that type of thing. And then I headed down to for working and then on the way back I went to my cousin's house in Virginia on the way back and he water walked and fed me for seven days.

Then I got in the car and drove back down here and I just got, you know recently got back and I looked at how much it cost me in gasoline and how much you know that like the time wise like how many miles did I really drive.

Right.

And so that's what I was looking at. But it was, it was a lot of fun. I love to do that. It gives me time.

3,500 miles. What were you driving?

I have a. A Subaru Outback Touring. It had a 3.6 liter engine, so it loves gasoline.

Yes. Yes.

Yeah.

Hey, Watson says you should come to Asheville. They have clean air. Asheville is beautiful. Watson, I agree with you.

It is. And I agree with him. I love Asheville. I've been there before. I've been Brevard. You know, I had some friends that opened a practice there and I love being in the mountains.

Yeah. So Asheville is beautiful. Watson's one of our loyal listeners. He's also one of our yos coaches. He's doing some amazing things. So thanks for joining us today, Watson. Well, let's talk about you, Dr. Pat. So we met probably almost two years ago and I've been talking to you, followed you. You've been on Gary's podcast, we've talked to you quite a bit, and you wrote a book called why are you sick, fat and tired? So this is a great show. If you are feeling sick, fat and tired or one of the three, probably going to learn a lot today. But, you know, I like to start the show by talking about your yos. And for you, this is. I'm so glad to talk to you about it because we just finished talking in the pre show. And your why is to challenge the status quo, do things differently and bring new perspectives to just about everything that you do. Your how is to make sense of the complex and challenging. So what we like to say is that's how you challenge. That is how you bring your life, your why to life by making sense of the complex and challenging for others, helping them understand stuff that for them is complicated. For you, it's real simple. You know how to solve it. You've got that gift. And then your what is trust? So you believe that trust is very important. So you want to be a trusted source. You want to be somebody that can be counted on. And that, that is such an interesting combination because a lot of times people with the why of challenge the status quo could care less if you trust them. They just are, you know, they kind of be to their own drum and if they show up late, they show up late. But you've got that trust at the end that says, hey, look, if I tell you I'm going to do something, I'm going to get it done. How does that feel to you when we, when we talk about you as somebody who loves to challenge the status quo, make sense of the complex and build trust?

Well, I can go home now.

You know, for me, I really like the, you know, when I redid the questionnaire, because I did it before, so. And challenge was not my first. Was. Wasn't my number one, wasn't my why making sense of things was at that time. But this really fits because. And to start backwards, I am my word. I learned that a long time ago. And if I can't be my word, then why would anyone trust me? If I don't lead by example, why would anybody trust me? And so, you know, because I don't trust somebody. Doesn't lead by example, right? When I was in chiropractic school and there's like, fat people smoking cigarettes outside the cafeteria, I thought to myself, wow, I go, who that? I go, it's hard to believe, you know, those people. You know, I'm like, who are you going to tell us? Like, hey, you got to stop smoking, right? So I know it happens in every industry. And the making sense part of it, you know, it's just like, I like solving puzzles before I start my day. I get up. You said to me, you know, you get up wanting to solve problems, you know, And I get up every morning and I play two or three puzzles just because I want my mind to get intricate and. And seeing, like, here's where I'm at. How do I get over here, and what's the best way for me to get there? And so, you know, and then I do that. So if I look at a layout sheet or if I got a whole list of things that I haven't done yet today that I still have to do, I still can go back to where I need to go and go, what's the most best use of my time and energy right now to do that? And I do that with people's health and their wellness. I go, like, tell me where you're at. Tell me where you want to go, and we'll create a roadmap together that makes sense sense. So you get there better, faster, easier, and more simpler, and you get unstuck and keep moving forward, you know, so then you can be appreciated a lot more, right? And. And also, it's more like, you know, the. The shift I made in. In the. The challenge part is that, you know, I realized that nobody wants to talk about health and nobody really wants to do anything about it, Right? So what my. What my challenge was is like, well, how. How do you pivot that out? Because I'm not going to hit my head against the. Who doesn't want to listen, right? And so what I did is I, you know, Said, you know, my biggest thing. And I made up an equation that says positive mental attitude, but positive mindset plus wellness initiatives, which are the five pillars of health that I teach, will give you success physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually and socially, whether at work, whether at home, you know, whether at work, you know, play, the whole thing, relationships and that type of stuff.

Right, right.

So people are like, you know, there's so much buzz right now talking about frequency. Well, you know, if. If you go back to anybody who's ever had chemistry, every molecule has a charge to it, right? So frequency is very real. And so if you change the frequency that, so that you're functioning at a higher frequency, then you can think better and you can feel better and you can move better. So who doesn't want that? And it's just putting the pieces of those puzzles together. And for me, I just go like, okay, so here you are. You want to go over here? But, well, the best way for you to get there is do this, this, and this, right? And then that will get you there faster. But if you want to take the long way around, it's okay, right? You know, if you're bringing your horse to water and it's not drinking, don't blame me.

Right? And you're doing it your own way, right?

Yeah, it's just like in every. And then people go like, well, maybe I should have listened to you. Or I had patients that years ago. I said, stop eating sugar, you know, and I said, you know, stop putting it in your tea. So stop putting it in your coffee. Stop using obvious sugar, you know, and watch how many carbohydrates. Because carbohydrates are sugar.

Right.

And some guy called me up out of the clear blue sky about five years after I left Cape Cod and said to me, Dr. Pat, it should have been you on 60 Minutes talking about sugar. Everything that guy said, you said before. And, you know, so I'm a little ahead of the curve a lot of times because I'm such an out of side of the box thinker. I can see things. I can be on Z and everyone's on G. I'm going, can't you see that? And. And so it's just that piece of the puzzle that makes me like, you know, I like puzzles, so what can I say?

So, so you, you said two things that I want to touch on. One is what you took the Y Discovery, the YOS Discovery, which is our newest tool. We just launched that in, in 2021, at the end of 2021. And it has been a game changer for us because before people like Watson, people like Lynn Everard, people like all our coaches who work, had a hard time figuring out how to scale their coaching practice using the yos. Because you had to go through that two hour process to get to someone's how and what. And you and I went through that. You sat in on a workshop with myself and Gary and we figured out your yos. But then when the new tool came out and we, we booked you for the show, we had you take it. And you're saying that was more accurate. That feels a lot better.

Well, you know, also too, you know, I, I said to you in the pre show that Simon Sinek's on this level. Gary Sanchez took Simon Sinek's work and he exponentiated it, you know, in three different areas of the not only so you know your why, it's important to know how and it's important to know what. So you have a plan of what to do. And, and you're right. When you first had that just like, so what do I do with this now? And you really didn't have that answer. So I really commend and appreciate Gary for bringing that kind of wisdom to it. Because when I took that second quiz, I'm sitting there thinking, I was so irritated. I was thinking, oh my God. I go, it's just like, I don't even know what the answer to this one is, you know, and I just started answering whatever looked good to me.

Right.

You know, and just, and just like going into. Because I'm highly intuitive, it's just, I go, whatever, you know, it looked good to me. Whatever was the best. Like, look, we got. I have no clue what they're asking, but I go, this is the one that looks good to me. So when I came up with the answer, I was going, I was, that is that oh my God moment that wow. And oh my God. And wow. I must have said about five times, I said, this is exactly me. I called up Princeton, I said, what's the best?

And I said, is this me or not? I emailed it to people, you know, and they said, how do you know these people now?

They know so much about you.

Right, right. And, and like one, like I can't remember how many questions there were, but I thought you did a very good job at rescaling that one questionnaire to go into those three pieces. And it's probably was piecing the why part of the challenge or the from before and putting all that stuff together. But I thought it was great.

Well, you know, that's great you brought that up. First of all, Gary doesn't get enough credit for the genius that it took to build that, you know, just even the why discovery, which you took a couple of years ago, but then to build the why, how and the what, and it really is, you know, there's 2,700 possible question combinations. And if we asked you 2700 questions, Pat, you'd probably quit at 100 and tell me to go away and never come back. Right. So what we've done, what Gary was able to do, using, using logic based programming, we're able to throw out a couple hundred questions every time you answer. So you're not having to answer all the questions. And you're right. The process takes you to figure out your why. And once it knows your why, then it moves on. Okay, let's figure out Pat's how, and that's why. The questions sometimes get a little bit redundant. And as you saw, it's all about what feels most like you. And so even if you're frustrated and you're thinking, gosh, none of these feel like me, which one feels the most like you? And that's what you answered. And if you answer it honestly, you get the results that you got. And you're saying, wow, that is me. That is exactly me. How did they know that? Right.

Well, you know, and also, like when I was taking it and I was thinking, not evil things, but when I was thinking about you and going, because if you asked me to do something, you know, you know, I feel comfortable if you ever asked me to do something, I would do, it's as long as I could do it, I would do it without even like, you know, can you do this? Blah, blah, blah. I go, what day is it on? Sure. You know, I have, you know, I like to say yes to everything. You know, I like to say yes and then try to figure it out. I need to say yes again. Two more things again in my life. I think that that's a piece of the puzzle that is like somewhat missing in my makeup at this point in time because I've been working diligently on a project. And so when I, you know, been done with that, I'm going like, okay, so what do you do now? How do you do that? Right. It type of thing. So it was very helpful, you know, when you asked me, at that mere moment that you asked me to do this, you know, it was perfect timing. It's like the universe sent you in to say, all right, Dr. Pat, let's see what you really got underneath your hood.

Right?

And so that was. I really, really appreciated that.

Well, it was great that you did it. We're so glad that you. You got that clarity. And, and so, you know, clarity is so important, especially in the work that you do. So you help executives, you help people get right, not just in their personal lives, but they're in their professional lives. And that's, you know, I remember being sick, fat and tired when I was working in a job that I didn't like. Not enjoying the work because it didn't feed my why of contributing to the success of others. Didn't fit my how of challenging the status quo and doing things differently. And it didn't fit my what of making sense of the complex. It didn't make sense. So I've been there. But you help people get unstuck from that, and we get that a lot from people with the why of makes sense in their top three. So how does the book or how do you help executives to have excellent health and superior wellness so they can have motivational mindset and create motivational mindset strategies?

Well, I start with motivational mindset strategies and, you know, and I ask questions to find out where they're at now. You know, I asked them what's. I go, when they hit the ceiling, what happens? Like, they're. They're going along, they're doing really great, you know, I'm on a diet, blah, blah, blah, you know, and I just can't lose weight. I like, I. Great for five days, but the seventh, by the time the weekend comes, my family's around, I've got company coming over. I just can't give it up. You know, it's like, how. And so I go back sometimes, you know, I had a woman who said to me about the fourth time, she said, you know, and she was really edgy. So I just said to her, what's really going on? And. And she's going, oh, I'm having this problem with my husband. And she's going, like, but what's really going on with your husband? And so what we did is we dove deep, and she ended up telling me that she wrote him a letter. And when she wrote him a letter, it was five pages long. And I immediately said, he's never going to listen to it.

Never going to read it.

Yep. Never going to listen. Read it. Read it out loud or whatever. It's not going to happen. I said, what's the first two sentence? And I said, and so tell me I said, what age does he act when he's upset? And so she said, because here's my solution, right? I'm going through the. This person who's had an incredibly important job in NASA. And so she, so anyway, she's sitting there, she's telling me that she's. Well, Tim, I said, well, you got to write that letter to a 10 year old. Do you think a 10 year old is going to read five pages?

Right, right.

And she said no. And I said, I bet he's very visual. So if you don't start off saying something about how nice he looks and how he, like, I remember the last time that, you know, we went on this vacation, you had that really nice suit on with the red tie. You look so handsome. Bite my hand, you know, and you know, something like this. And I said just to get him and get in that emotion, right? I said, then I said, you got his attention. And then you have one page to put it in bullets, right? And, and I said I go, or don't send it or. And especially the five page one burn it because you just want it out of yours. You want it out of your energy sphere and that. And so what happened from that is that from releasing that past pattern that she had with him, she was able to move forward in a very particular way, that her health completely took a 180 and it soared. And we weren't really working on her health. She just wanted to lose a couple pounds.

I'm going to give you a couple of comments because these are great. So Lynn Everard said he waited a while before doing the yos because he really liked his why, how and what and was concerned it might change, but it turned out exactly the same. So the experience is either it's either exactly the same or, or you get, you just shifted a couple, right? You went from make sense challenge to challenge makes sense. And it felt so much more natural to you, right? And so that's where you are. And, and I think that's the, that's what we've heard from everyone. When it does change, it always feels better. And so we're going with the, with the, with the new iOS with just about everyone. And if it's the same, then it's the same. Mine was exactly the same. No big change. And I love this from Watson. He says no zone of genius. No genius. So he calls operating in your why, how and what your zone of genius. Right? For you. And you're challenging the status quo, helping people make sense of things. And you're building trust. That's your zone of genius. You can do that all day long, right? And I love that.

So is the zone of genus from Watson. Is that a. Is that a. It's the zone of genius. Is that a why phrase? Is that a why quote?

No, that is something that Watson. Actually, I was on Watson's podcast, and he taught. We were talking about what it's like to work and your why, how and what and how good it feels. And he said, that's your zone of genius. So then he used it, and I've been giving him a hard time about it because you put zone of genius next to my name. You put genius in my name, you're going to break the Internet. I said, but so far, it has not broken yet. So thank you, Watson. And I love that phrase because I think when we're working in our yos, we really are working in our zone of genius, where we're doing our best work and we have the most energy.

So genius for me is everybody has a genius, right? You know, so when I work with somebody, I'm always looking for where their genius is and then peel the COVID off with mindset. Like, you know, what do you. What do you got a day? Like, oh, I've got. I want to lose five pounds. Look, so what are you doing? What's your action? Because it doesn't work just to have aspiration. You have to be inspired. And inspiration indicates that there's action that's involved in it also. So in consistent action. Consistent is. Is an important keyword in every aspect of someone's life. You got to be consistent if you want to have results. And, you know, and results count. So, you know, in that when he said the genius, I just went like, I go, oh, my God. I go, watson, you know, you do that, right?

And Watson uses the yos exclusively to get people there, and he uses other assessments. He's big on. On values. And so there's obviously different coaches use different approaches. This isn't the only thing they use. It's just what a lot of our coaches start with. We call it the start here button. You know, if you start with the YOs, everything else falls into place, even if you're using other assessments. Here's what Watson loved your question. What age does he act when he is upset? Great question. You know, I think that's something we don't think about, right? What age do they act? And so let's. Let's talk to people in their language. Language. If he's acting like a 10 year old, let's talk to him.

Like, he'll understand, you know, if you always approach that, you know, and this person had something major happen to him when he was 10. I said, what happened? And so she told me. I said, I go, well, and I said, I go. And how I go, we don't know how he felt. So I said, how does it make you feel when he's acting 10 years old, you know, and she's not in control. She's control freak.

And I go, so this is how you rephrase that and reframe that so you get like, you're not stuck in that moment. You can move past that.

Right?

You know, And I said, and so I gave her a book to read. And the book that I had her read teaches you very simply how to speak in someone's love language, you know, and either visual, auditory, or feeling. So for me, being a trained as a chiropractor, I am very, very, very hands on. So I'm visual. I walk up to people I don't know and say, how long have you had your shoulder problem? And you know, and I'm a shoulder queen. I can fix anybody's shoulder. If I can't, they need to go have surgery, because that's that a point that needs to have better has a medical intervention. But, you know, in that realm of being able to see things like that, it always has paid off for me. When I was an active practicing chiropractor, I'm not an active practicing chiropractor anymore. So I moved that into what I hear people say. And I said, can I read in between the lines, tell me if this is true about you. And they, you know, and then I asked them those kind of questions. And then I go, let's not talk about food today. Let's not talk about ingredients list, because who cares? It's boring, Right?

Right.

You know, And I said, you can read that at home. I said, so let's talk about you and what it's going to take for you to take that first step so you own your existence here on the planet Earth as a human being.

Well, Platinum rule, Watson Jordan just wrote that down. Do you. So we've talked a few times. Dr. Pat, do you know what the Platinum Rule is? We know what the golden rule is, right? Golden rule says treat others like they want to be treated. The Platinum rule says treat others like they want to be treated. So don't talk to Dr. Pat about doing things the right way, following a process in a system and doing everything by the Book, because that's not her language. Her language is about doing things out of the box. So when we talk to Dr. Pat, we talk to her about how can we do things differently and out of the box, let's talk to her about how can we solve. Solve some problems. How can we solve the puzzle? Because puzzles turn her on and she's. She does one before, before she does anything else every morning. And, and how do we build trust? That's what those are the words you're looking for.

Well, and also, you know, that's not exactly true because where I function at is I create what the foundation is. Because my rule, Dr. Pat, rule is you cannot put the cart before the house. You have to have the horse in front of the cart, and you can't get the horse in front of the cart unless you know what you know to be true. And you can move the cart, the horse there, and then attach the horse to the cart, but then you have to have the tools to be able to get in the cart and crack the whip and move forward. Because you must know your foundational baseline numbers count.

So in my, like 10 years old, right? That's a number.

That's a number. But, you know, but I just thought when I do a puzzle, I always do the outside first, right. You know, and then I look for, you know, likes and similars and things like this. But I do have a foundation that I work from and I do like planning. I like things that are well thought out, right. And that I can go, okay, so I can take this and I can implement this here. So I do have systems that, you know, I can. Right. But I am the out of the box thinker for sure.

No, absolutely. And that's why you're successful, right? We all have to. Because one of the challenges of being a challenger is that you do like thinking outside the box and you like to do things differently. But you have to capture that because there are some things that need to get done in order for you to be successful. And so you've got to build those hacks into your life so that you can get those things done and be as successful as you've been able to be. Well, tell me about this, because we're. Believe it or not, we're running out of time. Dr. Patrick, tell us about your biggest why not moment. I ask this every show a time when you said why not to an opportunity, a circumstance, a choice, and it made a significant positive pact for you, positive impact for you.

Wow. You know, I have something coming up that I Said, you know, I'm saying, why not to? And I have to have that foundation. I have to have one thing in place in order for me to just jump in, you know, in the fire. But I've had other things in my life that have happened. When I found the ad for my office that was for sale, and I called my husband up and I said, I know where we're gonna live. He said, where's that? I said, cape Cod. He goes, cape Cod? Who wants to live there? And I said, we do. And I said, there's a practice for sale. I think we should buy it. The Guy's only asking $30,000 for it at the time. Today, that would be like 600 way over. And so he went and looked at it, talked to the guy, and that's what we did. And, you know, and we did, you know, it's like, you know, how are you going to get the money? You know, I don't know, you know, because they're both like poor students that just graduated, right? And so when I went to the bank and the bank said no, I said, I go, well, watch me. And we went and got an SBA loan and we did what it had to take. So what's my next option? Going down and doing that?

Right.

You know, and when, you know, I had things when I do, like, on a personal level, when I turned 50, somebody said to me, happy birthday in January. My birthday is not till August. And I thought the out of box think. I said, wow, you just gave me a great excuse to celebrate my birthday every month and do something very special. And I made a birthday rule at the time that your birthday's not over until you get your last present. It starts with your first birthday wish and gets over with your last present. I made. I made that birthday last 12 months. And every month I was like, okay, so where am I going to go? And I would like open a map, put my finger on it and buy a ticket and go, did I figure out how I was going to ever, like, pay for it? I said, like, no, I just did it and it all worked out. I'm here to talk about it. And. And also always that really been fortunate to always be really lovely, great people, you know, and in the such I've, you know, been in. When I was in Scotland, I was walking down the street and walked up to this guy and said, why are you limping? And he said, well, because I hurt my ankle. And I said, good. And I said, but why? I go, how'd you hurt your ankle? And I said, you know, I can fix that. And very quickly, you could just get a tape, because if you do a lot of walking, you're gonna hurt it. And so I fixed it for him, and he said, how would you like to go to sit in Parliament? And I said, like, what kind of parliament? He said, scottish Parliament. So he got me a seat, a VIP seat in Scottish Parliament for fixing his ankle. Just so I have the experience.

Yeah.

You know, and. And gave me. It gave me a chore of, you know, EdWorld was. It was great. I was like, you know, you can't. You know, some of the stories I have, you just can't make those things up, you know, like, how did you meet that person? But I think that, you know, I love helping people really, really have. Be better human beings, be healthier, you know, and be able to, you know, express their genius like Watson and really get. Have the breakthrough that they need, you know, so that, you know, they, you know, have whatever it is that they want to get you.

Right?

You know, and the. And I said in the very beginning, just to finish that off, is that I, you know, trust is important to me. Right. I tell somebody I'm gonna do something, I do it, and if I don't. If I can't do it, you know, I don't commit to things that I really can't do. So that's part. That's part of, like, I think I'm, you know, I'm Wonder Woman.

I can't. Well, and if you can't do it, you just. You gotta just be honest, Right?

Honesty's great. It works very well with me. It also is one of those, like, you know, core values that I value really quite high besides trust. I see laughter and laughter.

So you said we should laugh 50 times a day, 100 times a day. How many times a day should one.

One laugh as often as possible?

Yeah.

Well, then everyone else is not laughing. It's probably a good time to laugh. Then they look at you like, what are you laughing at?

What's wrong with that person?

You know? Well, they might ask that, but then they always want to know how. How does she do that? You know, like, what is. What is it that she does that I'm not doing? That might give me the opportunity to move forward. So if you ask me, I will tell you. That's why I'm known as Ask Dr. Pat.

Well, so speaking of Ask Dr. Pat, I'm going to ask a question. So without giving away the book, what is something you're going to Learn about not being sick, not being fat and not being tired. What's one thing you can learn about how not to be sick in the book? What is, what are some tips?

Well, what the book shows you is your starting point of where you want to spend your time, energy and money. It also is a workbook, a guidebook, and an advocating tool. It's a book of questions that goes through a system survey. So if you think about your systems and your body functioning like a Swiss watch, that when the one slows down and the other one's going to slow down also, then you can look at what your health pattern is and then you can decide exactly what, where to focus on, you know, and like. And one of those things. So that's one of the biggest things that gives you knowledge is powerful, but also that only gets as powerful. It tells you how to stack it so that you can make all the next best steps in order to move forward with that.

Yeah. Because the knowledge doesn't do you any good. You got to put it into action. And you talked about that earlier.

Yep, yep. You know, you know, it's just like that's, you know, that's important for everybody, you know, that, you know, moving from. I'm aspired to be a piano player. You know, I just never took action to go do it to my father's dismay. And so, you know, what did I do? I decided to play the piano along the spine and become a chiropractor.

Right.

And you know, and so I just, you know, took the piano puzzle and moved it someplace else. But it's really.

It'S, it's really very easy for me to, to help people and see the end. You know, somebody told me one time that one great capacity that I had was be able. When everyone else is on J or D or E along the Alphabet, moving along. I already am on Z.

Right.

And I'm thinking why it's taking you guys so long, so why not let me show you the way to get there faster, safer and quicker. Right. So you get the results that you want to have.

No, I love that. I love that so much. So we, we had a. Watson says the universe rewards action. TJ Davidson said. Such a wonderful show today, Pat and Dan, he's out in Texas, North Carolina, and Lynn is on the east coast also. So thank you guys for listening. Pat, it's been wonderful to have you. I cannot wait to just catch up with you some more. I know you're going to teach me some stuff on how to broadcast to a even broader audience after we get off the call.

Yeah.

Now I'm going to say bye to everyone and say, that's a wrap.

Thank you. That's a wrap.