83: The Hidden Link Between Oral Health, Hormones & Your Overall Well-Being with Dr. Leedia Riman

Now, I have been talking a lot lately about dental health, and I've been talking to a lot of dental health practitioners, and that's because this is an area of medicine that was for so long considered other. Like the, the area of dentistry was somehow separate from, from health, from whole body health, from holistic health. And it is now like being screamed from the rooftops that, in fact, these are very much one in the same, that it is one system, we are one system. And what is happening in the mouth and what happens to the mouth really impacts the rest of the body. And the rest of the body is in, in general, in many cases, reflecting what is going on in the mouth. So I have another amazing, amazing and beautiful expert with me today. So Dr. Lydia Ryman is with me today, and she is a holistic dentist, a biologic dentist. I'm not sure what, what sign you want to wear today, but she's going to talk to us about something that despite the fact that I've had some really amazing holistic dental experts or biologic dental experts, we have not talked about its relationship to hormonal health. So, Dr. Ryman, welcome. I'm so happy to have you here.

Thank you so much. It's an honor to be here. Thank you.

So you will take this with all the respect that I mean it with. You are very young. Dentistry has not changed that much. Most dentists are very conventional and they're doing the fluoride drill and fill dance, right? And if they're not doing the fluoride drill and fill dance, they're sending you to the endodontist who is doing the drill and fill dance with your nerve roots. So please share with us. How did you step outside of the box?

Such a great question. So when? Right after I graduated dental school, I went to, I did my residency at the VA in San Antonio. So I worked with our vets.

That was fun.

So much fun. Like, so I saw mostly men, mostly older men. They were wonderful, hilarious, great stories, sad stories. And, you know, you just.

And their mouths. Had to have been a disaster.

Yes, yes. Had to have been lots of disasters. And the stories you hear are, like, insane. And it was a very humbling experience. It was a very. It was just a magical. I can't imagine my career without that year. It was a very pivotal, pivotal year.

Okay, so you do the good girl thing and you go to Saudi Arabia and you start practicing dentistry. There's. What did you find?

Pure and utter destruction. And so because I spoke the language, I'm a female American educated. So that's what they wanted. I fit the recipe. I was seeing all the women and then. And it was. It was. There wasn't a. I think, very, very, very. I can count the number of healthy mouths I saw on my two hands amongst the hundreds of patients that I saw. So I'm like, oh, my God, what's going on? Like, it's. It's. It's. This is very interesting. Anyways, I started going through some psychological issues. I didn't want to live in Saudi anymore. I was young and vibrant, single, and I wanted to, like, you know, come back to the States and. And I loved, like, my time in Saudi. My childhood Saudi was incredible. Just to say that I had the best childhood in the world. So I come back with one bag against my mother's will, God bless her. She didn't talk to me for, like a year. And I was like, I'll only come back if I'm hired by Aramco, which is the. I don't know if you're familiar with Aramco. It's. It's a oil company. The biggest oil company in the world. Like, one of the. The biggest oil company in the world. And the reason for that is because my program director at ucla, he was actually working there. He's this wonderful, wonderful dentist from Utah. He was my program director at ucla. I met up with him when we were. When I was in Saudi, and I became friends with his wife and his family, and I was just like, okay, I know somebody there. And Aramco is a beautiful oasis in the desert, and it's a wonderful company to work for. But I knew they weren't going to hire me because I was too young. I. They need a minimum of, like, five to ten years of experience. So I told my mom, I'll come back to Saudi if Aramco hires me, knowing they're not going to hire me. Like, that's what I. So I land. One week later, Aramco reaches out to me, and they're like, we want to invite you to an interview. I'm like, what? Like, I only have, like, a year and a half of experience. Like, what. What is this? Long story short, six months later, I went back to Saudi to Aramco. They offered me a wonderful offer. They treated me so well. And two months in, I was booked for six months out. Like, my schedule's packed, and I was seeing all the expats, all the Americans and the British expats and all the women. So it was 50, 50, my schedule. And then again, so, like, destruction Pure and utter, like, lots of destruction. I was like, gosh, there's something. There's something more than to just what I learned at ucla. God bless my education. I love it. I'm so grateful for it. But that's when my re. Education started. I'm like, why are their teeth breaking down and what's happening? So there's a nutritional component, for sure. There's a. There's a micronutrient component. Like, everybody was severely. Even though I was living in Saudi Arabia, everybody was severely deficient in vitamin D. Like, severe deficiencies. Nutrition. I, you know, like, and they. And lots of pregnancies. They have a lot of children there. Like, my patients, on average, each one had, like, three to six children. Some 14 children, some 10 children. Like, I would be seeing Bedus that lived intense. It was a very. Like, it was.

But, you know, not for nothing, it depletes you.

It depletes you complete. Like, they were in depletion. So I'm sitting here fixing, and I'm like, okay, I can fix these, but I don't want to. Like, I don't want to fix this, because this is so preventable. And I worked and I worked and I worked there for a couple years, two years and a half, and then I resigned. I don't know, like, something came to me. I needed to leave. Once again, everybody thought I was nuts because I had, like, the most amazing job in the world. And I was like, I need to go. I need to go. And I come back. And so that's when, like, all the bells started ringing in my heads. I still hadn't connected the dots, okay? So I would be talking to them about nutrition and vitamin D levels, but it wasn't in the way. Like, I didn't really understand why vitamin D so important for your dental health. You know, I didn't. I just knew it was important, but I didn't know why. So come January 2014, I send it. I send in my resignation. I am back in the states in April. April 18, 2014.

My sister's birthday.

Why? Really?

My sister's birthday.

Awesome. Not 2014, 28, 2014. And then we opened up our practice here in Beverly Hills with my brothers. So my brothers and I, all three of us are dentists. And we started, like, getting to work, and we were seeing patients again. Two months later, I meet my now husband. He starts making all these dental appointments. And then two years later, we're married and I'm pregnant. And I get really sick while I was pregnant, and I lose a front Tooth right here. I was born missing this tooth. So I have an implant here, but it got so infected, very infected. I had to remove the crown, and I was walking around with no front tooth to let it heal because that turns out that it can impact your pregnancy. So oral infection can impact the pregnancy. So obviously, once I found that out. And this is me. I'm a dentist. And I didn't know that back then, right? So I had to go through this. Like, so I had hyperemesis gravidarum. I was vomiting seven to 14 times every single day for about eight months. And I was getting dental cleanings every three to six weeks, depending on how I was feeling. And that's. That's how I'm able to not have any cavities right now. Like, I was very, like, my brother took really, really good care of me, and I really tried my best to do what I could at home, but after Julia was born, I went into like, N word. And I was like, what? What's happening? Like, what is this? Like, is. Can this only be me? Like, is. I feel awful. I feel like my breath is different. I feel very congested. I feel depleted. And I, I, I didn't know the right words to describe it. I just feel awful. Like I had bad breath. I'm a dentist. I didn't have a front tooth. Comfortable. I wasn't comfortable with this. My smile. I wasn't feeling good. So I go on Facebook, Mommies in la, which is like, one of the craziest, meanest mommy groups in the world. They're like, nuts. But there's some. You get a lot of good info there. And I, like, literally put out a heartfelt message. I was like, is this only me? I just had my baby. I had a really rough pregnancy with regards to oral health. My gums are infected. Like, has anyone gone through any oral issues during their pregnancies or soon after? Within an hour, I get, like, in one hour or like 30 minutes, I get like 150 responses. And this was in the middle of the night. Like, whoa. It was. I'm like, what? So I started researching and digging into all, all everything that I started reading articles and research. So 65% of women during their pregnancies undergo some sort of dental issue, whether it's reversible or irreversible. So I was like, why? Why do we go through that? It's not like we don't go through enough crap. And it was.

55% of women have a dental issue during their pregnancy.

Yes. Yes. Some are Irreversible. Like many. Holy moly. But a lot are. Are not. Yeah.

Wait, I have never heard that statistic before. I'm blown away right now.

Yes. Did a gynecologist know about this? That's why I'm going to be building bridges, baby. The gynecologist. I talked to my gynecologist and she was like, yeah, Lydia. Like, I. Patients complain about it all the time. Like, they're not. Feel like. So there are pregnancy tumors. There are. And those are benign pyogenic granulomas. There is pregnancy rhinitis that causes mouth breathing. There's so many things that have to do with pregnancy that happens when the hormones are going crazy that really impact the acidity level, the quality of your saliva, the quantity of your saliva, your ability to mouth breathe, your ability to properly clean your mouth, your fatigue, your energy. There's so much to it. Like, there is so much more than. So that was like an aha moment in my life. I'm like, okay, I'm done.

I'm having the aha moment.

Okay. Yeah. So I'm like, well, I should send you the picture of me with like, no front tooth so that it, like, makes it full circle, but then it also shifts.

You can put that on the.

Yeah, I'm. I'm happy to offer. I'm an open book on the thumbnail. Yes.

We'll draw everyone in through YouTube.

But. And then it changes in your microbiome. It's just there's so much to it and it's not so. There's an old myth that say, for. For every pregnancy you lose a tooth. That's like a. Have you heard of that? It's an old. No. Yes.

I'm dying.

Yes.

I. I cannot believe this whole conversation. I did not expect this. I did not see it coming. I'm like, woo.

Blown away. Yeah.

Okay. For every pregnancy, you lose a tooth.

False.

I don't even know what to do with this information.

Like, false. You don't lose a tooth. But that stems from a little bit of truth in that you are extremely compromised when you're pregnant. You need to take extra care of yourself on so many levels and facets. And not only does it start during pregnancy, it's before pregnancy. So for those trying to conceive, and we live in a world where IVF is so prevalent, all my friends have, like, frozen their eggs because we're getting married later or we're getting pregnant later. So there's a lot of external hormones that are synthetic and unnatural being injected. The birth Control. I think people are waking up to birth control. But all that really impacts your mouth.

Yeah.

And. And to bring it just in a nutshell, full circle, if your mouth isn't well and isn't healed and isn't feeling healthy, it's going to impact everything in your life, not only physically, but emotionally as well. And I felt it that night when I, like, went on Facebook and I wrote that out, and that's what got me into the world of women's dental health and actually creating that world, because no one's talking about it, and. But our mouth is part of our throat chakra, our lips, our tongue, our mucosa, our teeth. And your ability to speak and express. Part of that, I wholeheartedly believe, is the health of your mouth. And that's why I take it really, really seriously for all the ladies I see. And that's why I do what I do online. But. Yeah.

Okay, so I first want to start off by asking, because, you know, women's dentistry is a big blue ocean, and there aren't a lot of people out there with a shingle saying, this is women's dentistry. So how did you learn? How did you figure all of this out? I mean, you're chartering. You're charting a new path.

I am. And it was that first pregnancy, and that's why I said that story with me, like, going to Saudi, working there, getting a few, like, red flags and, like, how what I was seeing, like, on, you know, and I never learned about any of this in my books at ucla. They never spoke about estrogen and progesterone. They never spoke about relaxin that you need during childbirth that can loosen your teeth. They never spoke about microbiome. And, you know, they spoke about the general things that I'm sure you learned in medical school to become a medical doctor. And me, too. So when I came back and I had that really hard pregnancy, I was like, God is putting this in my path because he's like, he's sharing to me what my mission is. Like I discovered my mission and my passion. And I always say, like, I'm just getting started because there's so much work to do in this field, and I would like to go back one day to, like, Saudi or Aramco and to give, to tell them what I learned since I've left there, because it'll help so many. But it's not just women there. It's women everywhere. Yeah. Like, you can.

You can do that after you develop a course.

Yeah.

And. And teach other people.

Yes.

Because you, you must, must, must do that.

Yes. Yeah.

Why do you think. Let's just like start at the beginning. Why do you think most dentists are still in that archaic world of drill and fill and no connection between oral health and systemic health, despite the fact that there have been studies? I mean, I remember studies in my residency, which was a long time ago, and I'm not going to share when that was, but I remember studies in my residency talking about that there is a direct link between periodontal disease and, and heart disease. So, you know, we've been making this connection for a good long time. Again, not going to share with you how long ago that was. If you really want to know, you can look it up.

Well, you look amazing regardless. Hashtag goals.

You're very kind. So why, why is it still this way? I mean, when the dentists that are in training now are still getting trained. Drill, fill, fluoride.

You know, Jen, I, I, in my heart I'd like to believe that everybody is doing the best they can with the conscious that they have, right? And when I was in Saudi, I started, you need to, we need to be listening and to, we need to start feeling more as practitioners. Unfortunately, when I was in dental school, you kind of get numb to just, you need the requirements, you need to pass your tests, you need to pass your board and you need to finish those requirements, which were like 10 root canals and five dentures and seven partials and five gold fillings and five gold crown hot fillings, five gold crowns. And you know, and you're so focused on that, right? And you want to pass and you want to become the doctor and you know, you want to, and there's been just, so, so when I, when I left and, and I had, I don't know, like almost half a million dollars in debt, there's a huge egotistical component that like, oh, crap, I just spent all this money and I need to re educate myself because I had to re educate myself, fundamentally. I did, I did. So when, when, when after that happened, a year later, my daughter got vaccine injured. So I was one of those people. I was very trusting of, of, of. I haven't really spoken much openly about this, but I'm like, trust me, just flowing right now. God is flowing. And he got, and she got injured when she was one MMR and varicella. 27 days later we were in the ICU. I had no idea why I was doing what my doctor told me. Like, I trust you. If you're my doctor, I want to trust You. I don't want to. I'm not here to do your job, Dr. Jen. I don't want anybody to do my job. Let's all do, you know, our own job and help each other. And I also, as I was walking through the ward, through the ICU ward, I saw a lot of really sick kids. Like, really sick kids. I'm like, God, I'm. I'm very lucky that my daughter's good. They were pumping her little body because it was like she almost suffocated on mucus. That was, like, slime. So it was. That's when I woke up. That's when I'm like, oh, my God. I'm never going back to the way that I was practicing. Like, I. I just. I. Because we. We were taking insurances, and we were playing the insurance game, and I was very unhappy. I was like, I want to close the office. I didn't care. Like, my brother and I were like, this. Ready to be like, he's like, I'd rather be an Uber driver. And I'm like, I'd rather be a barista at a coffee shop. Because I love making coffee and tea for people. I have, like, I love making drinks for people. So I'm like, I'd probably make more money there. I got a check for $4 and 84 cents for something right now that I would charge 900 for, and well worth it. So we were just very unhappy. So you're asking, like, why aren't dentists waking up when you're a hamster on a wheel and you're so in that wheel, unless you have. I feel a big traumatic experience, like, I did, it's very hard to nudge you. Like, have you ever spoken to a friend to try to get them to, like, I don't know, stop fluoride? Like, it took my husband a few years to stop Listerine. Like, he. It was on order. Like, it was on repeat. We'll talk about mouth mouthwash later and how horrible it is for you, especially things like Listering and Scope. So I think I'm very optimistic and hopeful because on Instagram, I'm getting, like, these hygiene students, and I'm getting dental students that want to come in shadow and want to come visit the office and are very intrigued with the way that we're practicing in the office. So with. And with podcasts like yours and all the other health podcasts that are starting to have more dentists on more biological, integrative, holistic, whatever they want to be called. But it's that's how we're going to start spreading the world. Because now you're going to take this information to your practice and you're going to tell your girlfriend about it, like tomorrow night, you know, you're going to share it. And I believe in that beautiful ripple effect. And that's what I want to focus on. I would. I got a lot of crap from dentists when I first. So we do this root canal prevention procedure in the office and we're able to save over 75% of teeth from meeting root canals.

And the other is amazing.

It's incredible.

I got so much surviving because. Not surprising because you're dealing with the root cause of the problem rather than the band aid, rather than, rather than addressing the symptom.

Right.

Because when you do a root canal, you're just taking your, the patient's perception away. That's all you're doing.

Exactly, exactly. So there's, with regards to root canal, there's a time and place, like if you're in severe pain, if you have a necrotic tooth, your body already root canals itself, and that's a huge source of infection for the body. So you need to take care of that necrotic tooth. And a lot of people message me, they're like, oh, we have a tooth that's a little more gray. So if you have a tooth that's more gray or a little brownish that's a different color than the rest of your teeth, please have your dentist check if that tooth is alive or not. It's very important.

It's probably not.

It's probably not alive. I'd say 90% of the time it's not alive. And then you have to like, make a decision. I'm all for full informed consent. I'm going to tell you the pros and cons of root canals. I'm going to tell you the pros and cons of keeping the, of keeping the tooth and extracting the tooth. And it's not one size fits all. Your medical history is different than mine. Your toxic load is different than mine. And we have to take into consideration all of that. So, yeah, I can talk like, I, I don't want to ramble, but like, that's, it's, it's, it's, it's absolutely. Yeah.

Okay, so let's do some rapid fire questions because there is so much that I want to get through with you. I want to first know, you said you have three brothers that are dentists.

Two brothers. So all three of us are dentists. Yes.

Why why are all three of you dentists?

You want to hear the story?

Yes, I do.

I'm fascinated by this.

So.

So we. So we grew up in Saudi, and my. We're originally Lebanese. So my. My brother went to Lebanon for college right after he graduated high school, and his grades started dropping, like, badly. And my parents, being the wonderful, protective, Middle Eastern parents actor.

That doesn't fly, though.

No, that does not fly. We're shipping us back to la. So home base was la. Even though I'm a nomad, I don't know where home is. The world is my home. So we came back to LA, which I hated. I hated LA my first year here. So I was 16, Rashad was 20, and my younger brother was. There's four years between each one of us. And Rashad wanted to become an actor. My older brother, he's a very interesting, wonderful character. Maybe I'll meet him one day, but he wanted to become an actor. And my mom's like, over my dead body. Like, you're not going to become an actor. Like, you can become an actor and do that film stuff that, that, like, whatever, after you create, like, have a. A set career. I just want to make sure that you're well taken care of, because I don't have a ton of riches to, to give you. You need to, like, take care of yourself. I get it. I'm a mother of three right now. I get it. I wouldn't do that if I were her, but I get it. I understand her.

No, but there's also, you know, you want your children to develop their own sense of self and pride and self worth. Worth. And, you know, even if your parents were very, very wealthy, when we help our children, we don't help our children 100%.

No.

Everyone has to blaze their own path.

Yeah. I just think that Rashad has a deep passion for film and production and, like, he's very talented.

He probably would have been successful in that area anyway.

But the beautiful thing is he's doing that in dentistry. So he now teaches over 75,000 dentists worldwide how to do surgeries with his partner. And they do, like, online courses and they film.

So he has his own version of acting.

Exactly, exactly, exactly. He's, he's. He. He tries to. He just, he. He believes in the power of beautiful media and he believes in the. There's a lot of beautiful stories to be told, and he just loves that artistic aspect of it. So obviously he listened to my parents, so he's like, what can I do? Path of least resistance. Something that involves art because he's an artist. Long story short, he went to Cal State Northridge. He was sitting next to a girl who was studying for her dat, and she was like, going over the DAT with him, and he saw there's a perceptual ability to test there. So the part of the dat, there's a. We have to, like, be able to take something that's 2D and imagine it 3D. Okay. He's like, gosh, this is so interesting. And he was like, I want to take the dat just because of, like, he's like. And then there was a dental school up north who was three. That was three years uop, University of the Pacific, Great dental school in San Francisco. So he took the dat. He did very good on the dat. And he went to UOP School of Dentistry, and he had a great time. He loved it. He loved working with teeth, he loved sculpting teeth and filling and, and he, he really enjoyed that. At that time, I knew I wanted to be in healthcare. I knew I wanted to be talking to people. I didn't want to be behind a computer. I wanted to be in healthcare. Like, I, I loved health and fitness, and I was a swimmer. And so I, I, I, I volunteered in the ER obgyn. And when I was in college, there was a really cute dentist. I applied for a job there because my brother was in dental school. I'm like, let me see, dentistry. And the cute dentist had his mom working and the front desk. So it was a very nice family practice. Within two weeks, I learned how to run the whole office, how to assist, how to, how to do everything except billing, obviously. And I became his, like, all star assistant. So I was working full time with him almost. And I was going to UC Davis. I was studying biochemistry. Yeah, you see, and it was a great, I made great money at the time. And I was like, I had never, like, made money before. Right. Like, it was. And it just felt really good. And I really love the ambience. I like. And I'd, like, tell my brother, oh, he did this today. And he's like, oh, what materials did he use? And then I'm like, gosh, I really like this. I really like the flexibility. I can teach, I can work with my family. I'm like, maybe I'll work with my brother one day. Um, it was just. And I can, I can help people. I can help heal people. Boom. I take my D A T. I score really, really well. And I started teaching for Kaplan, other dental and medical students, and Then I got into, like, ucla, uop, and ucsf. Like, I got into all my schools, but. And, yeah, and then I went to dental school, and then our little brother kind of followed along. Like, he was like, okay, this is cool. And then he went to Florida, ventured out to Florida, and it was great because I spent a lot of time in Florida.

That is an amazing story. It really is. And I'm sure. Is your mother alive?

Yes, she is.

Is she extremely, extremely proud?

You know, she doesn't express it as often as I would have expected, but sure, deep down, that's cultural. Yes. Yeah, yeah.

It's more expected than it's like.

Of course. Of course. Yeah, Yeah.

I would expect nothing less.

Right. Exactly.

Okay.

All right.

I got it.

Okay. So.

Why is vitamin D important? I think that everyone understands that vitamin D is important for bones. I think that most people now understand that vitamin D is essential for your immune system. Especially, you know, we. We had this big thing happen to all of us in 2020, and there was lots of talk about if your vitamin D level before you got the thing was at a certain level, then the likelihood that you would be hospitalized or have serious complications was diminished. Whereas if you had low vitamin D levels, you had an increased risk of being hospitalized and being on a ventilator and yada, yada, yada. I think that most people in the breast cancer world, although I don't know if the medical oncologists have necessarily caught on yet, because I still see so many people who come to me and I'm like, what's your vitamin D level? And they don't know, and their medical oncologist isn't measuring, which blows my mind in this day and age. But in any event, most people, I think, understand the importance of vitamin D in immunity, in cancer, in bone health. We. What is the significance in oral health and in your. And. And in your teeth?

Vitamin D is so important because vitamin D, and not only vitamin D, is important in the dental world. Vitamin K2 and vitamin D works synergistically to take everyone. So when growing up, my dad be like, here, you need milk for your teeth and your eyes and your bones, right? And you need calcium. He's right. You need the calcium. But people have. Have been so focused on the calcium aspect of it, and little do they know that you need vitamin D3 and vitamin K2 to uptake the calcium and to bring it and to deposit it in the right place. Okay? So it's not just about the calcium. And magnesium is extremely important in that. For. In that process as well. Okay, Absolutely. So the beautiful thing about vitamin D is that on X rays, you can see when somebody's deficient, even if they don't have like. So the, the. The chamber that houses your pulp. So our teeth just take a step back. We have enamel, then we have dentin, and then we have our pulp chamber. And our pulp chamber houses our nerves, our lymphatic system and blood supply.

So each toothpick makes the tooth alive.

Exactly. Each tooth is an organ. Each tooth needs to be respected and taken care of and honored. That's how I feel about. Like, they're not just structured first for. They're not just structures for chewing food. They're more. They're an extension of these nerves that come out. What's here. Like, what's here. It's next to our brain, it's next to our spinal cord, our nervous system, close to our heart. And then, and then the blood supply connects you to the rest of your body. Mm.

Yeah, it's.

They're so connected. So when you do it, I. So at the beginning, when I first started doing this and started kind of slowly talking about it on Instagram, I was very, very vigilant at the beginning. And even now, like, I'm. It just. I didn't want pushback from other dentists, especially, like, older dentists that are going to come and be like, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. And so I didn't talk as much. I had.

They come at you, they.

Oh, no. They come. They come at you. But now, like, I've replaced that anger and annoyance with just grace. And they are, it is gonna catch on because you know what's starting to happen? Like, I had a dentist bring me his mom.

Oh, that was good.

And he was a root canal specialist. He was an endodontist. And I was like, I'm happily gonna take care of your mom, just like I take care of everybody else. But I could tell he was, you know, at the beginning, like a few years ago. So vitamin D is so important and it's. It's low hanging fruit. Like when people got rickets back in the day and scurvy, it was like vitamin D and vitamin C. What do we have in our mouth? We have mucosa. We really need good. We need vitamin C, we need collagen, we need vitamin D, the magnesium, the Boron, the K2. They're finding that people who are suffering from cardiovascular issues and like getting heart disease, they're very low on K2. And the amount of calcium that builds up in your. In the vessels increases because you need the K2 to take the calcium out.

Of the vessel deficiency.

Exactly. And into your bones and into your teeth. So your teeth. The. Your teeth. The. The status of your teeth is very reflective of how your bones are. We don't see our bones, but we can see our teeth. So your teeth tell so much. So much. So that's why vitamin D3 is very important. Yeah. And before surgeries, we test our patients to make sure their vitamin D3s are. D3s are. Levels. Are. Are the. The levels are good enough. Because if you're extracting, like an infected root canal, we need good D3 for your immune system, for your healing, and for. And if you're replacing a zirconia white implant, we need to make sure that you have enough D3 for that implant to properly integrate and for the osteoblasts and osteoclasts to work properly. And you need all those micronutrients to be working synergistically to make that happen.

I want to ask you about something that we haven't talked about on my podcast yet. You know, there's a saying called long in the tooth. And essentially what we're. What we mean. I mean, we're referring to people who are old. It's like a nice way, but it means that, like, the root of their tooth is. Is basically like being exposed. It's gum disease and gum recession. Right.

Yeah.

I see so many people.

And bone loss have skin.

Yes. And bone loss have. Scary, scary, scary gum recession and bone loss. What is going on there?

Okay. That is so multifactorial. And one of the reasons why hormones is important is because that. That. So let's talk. Let's. Let's. A menopausal woman, postmenopausal woman. I see that a lot in postmenopausal women.

These are my ladies.

Those are your ladies. Okay. So that estrogen drop. So we. You need estrogen for your mucosal health. So I did this live with. I don't know if you know, Angie.

Like your gums.

Yes. Right.

Yeah. Yes.

Your mucosa, like, everywhere. Here is your mucosa, your gums around. So when you get that drop in estrogen, it impacts the way your osteoblast and osteoclast. The balance between. So just the osteoclasts are like the.

Building of the bone, the remodeling of the bone. Building of the bone. The remodeling of the bone.

Exactly. So we're in constant remineralization and demineralization are in our teeth and our bone. Right.

And so why people? DEXA scans are useless because they don't speak to where you are in the process. So sometimes people, people come to me and they're like, yes, my DEXA scan improved. And I'm like maybe. And maybe you're just in a building phase, whereas the last time you got measured you were in a resorption and, and repair phase.

So yeah, yeah. What, what is a scan that's accurate in, in for, in your world?

Oh, I actually don't use bone density scans.

Oh, wow. Okay. I don't think they're topic.

Okay, yeah, it's another topic. But, but I don't, I, I never have people expose themselves to unnecessary radiation. Certainly not for the purposes of screening ever. If we have someone who has like pathologic fractures and we can't make sense of it otherwise, then yes, we're, we're doing investigation. But I am not randomly having everyone do DEXA scans. But also it is my practice to be very, very highly selective about who goes on aromatase inhibitors. I'm more on the everyone should get hormone replacement rather than people should be on these hormone blocking and deprivation treatments because I, I see long term, I don't see short term. And I also understand about hormones in a way that nearly all medical oncologists do not.

Yeah, and that is so important. Like that's what sets you apart and that's what's setting our office apart. Because back to your question. So you have that dip in estrogen, like your estrogen progesterone, you're out. How's that impacting your mouth? It impacts your bone, it impacts your salivary glands and it impacts your gums and mucosa in different ways. Yeah, and then they, it becomes a perfect storm and then you start not only getting bone loss, so the jawbone, like we just said, it's in constant remineralization. Demineralization, the drop in estrogen increases the demineralization around it. Okay, that drop in estrogen, that's like.

It'S doing in your bones, right?

Exactly, exactly. So that, and that drop in estrogen is increasing the acidity in your mouth. So it's offsetting the microbiome. You have more strep mutants, P. Gingivalis, Those are all disease causing, cavity causing dental infection, gum infection causing bacteria. Okay, so you're more acidic, you're producing less saliva. Your, your bone turnover rate isn't quick enough. Even Your enamel. The older people have more yellower teeth. They have their enamel thins out. Our dentin is more yellow than our, our enamel. So and then couple that in with a little bit of sleep apnea, mouth breathing, a little bit of mentally not feeling well about all the changes that are happening in your mouth and most likely as well on your, in your vagina. Because when you have dry, if you have dryness up here, you have dryness down there.

Yeah, for sure.

For sure. Like it's so connected. All. So vaginal and oral tissue is very similar. There's progesterone and estrogen receptors the same way. They histologically stem from very similar germ layers during like post conception and during the. So how can it not be connected? How can we not be talking about this? Like, how is not, how is this not a course in dental school? How is this not a course in medical school and nutrition school? And goes back to you saying I should. I am working on a course. I did a course for kids to reverse dental cavities for moms. That was my first course.

That's so great. Yes, totally necessary.

Very, very, very necessary.

Yeah. I was the mom that got the stink eye from the dentist. When the dentist was like, can we do fluoride treatments? I'm like, no.

You don't need it. So fluoride treatments. Well, don't even like look at the toxicity levels and the IQ issues, which, that in, in itself is enough reason. It's a band aid. Like I, I, you need to educate these mothers of what really causes cavities and how to strengthen your teeth from within. And that goes back to your vitamin D question. That goes back to the micronutrients and what are we eating on a day to day levels. And, and yes, brushing and flossing is important, but it's only one of the five pillars of dental health. Only one?

Yeah.

There's four other pillars that are very important. That's what I teach in the course. And, and, and it's, yeah. It's so important. Yeah.

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Okay, so let's talk about dentistry through the ages and stages of life. So the first question, I did have a couple of listener questions and they want to know about dental X rays. Are they necessary, are they safe? And how often should they be happening in children and in adults?

Okay, I'm team for the X rays. It depends. It depends what I see clinically. Kind of like what you just said. If There's a reason for you to take an X ray. Let's take it if there's no reason. So with children, I can prolong the need for them getting an X ray for a pretty long time. Very long time. Like, unfortunately, many offices say, okay, we gotta take an X ray, because that's what insurance covers, and they'll get paid for that appointment. So X rays and sealants and fluoride. Boom, boom, boom. That's a good $200 for appointment. You see, like, 40 kids a day. It's, It's. It's. What is it called? It's strip mall dentistry. So that's like. But there is a time and place for X ray. So someone who has a history of dental decay. If I want to see bone loss, I need X rays to see the levels of the bones between the teeth. Yeah, if you've had dental work, to see the integrity of the dental work. When I'm cementing my dental work, I take X rays to make sure my work is integrous. Integrous? Is that even a word? It's. It's properly sealed. Because if you have something in your mouth that's not properly sealed, that's. That's a pit hole for all the bacteria to go, and then it leaks into your. Into your tooth. And so I don't have, like, a formula, a recipe of how often I need to take X rays.

Most of the adults that I'm seeing, you shouldn't. Right. Like, it should be based on. Need.

Need. Need, exactly. So if you've had, like. If you're an adult who's had, like, Invisalign three or four times, I need a full set of X rays. I want to see the roots of all your teeth. Because people who have had braces or Invisalign multiple times, their roots sometimes are blunted. They, like, they literally get shorter over time. If you want a full mouth rehab, I need a full mouth set of X rays. So on adults, it's important for a baseline, but as they've been in my office, I go up to like, two, two and a half, sometimes three years. Not taking any X rays on. Like, if you come in, I have a baseline full. A full mouth set of X rays, which is a. Equivalent to the amount of radiation from a flight between. A flight from California to New York. And there's ways to detox, and I give them my detox protocol and the foods to eat, and they do it, and they're fine. But then they come in every two to three months for their Hygiene visits. And they don't need X rays because we're able to maintain. We're able to develop that rapport where every time they come, we're able to show them where they can do a better job brushing, where they're doing a great job. We discuss supplementation medical history, and unless we feel the need, we don't take another set of mixed race.

Yeah, okay, that's good. And then there are issues that affect each stage of a woman's life. So puberty, pregnancy, postpartum. If you're going for ivf, perimenopause, menopause, can you talk to some of that and what you should be thinking about at each phase and each stage?

Yes, yes. So I call each one of those phases transitions. We have transitions. And the first big one is puberty. Right. You know, and, and I think the, I think health isn't a primary focus during puberty. It's like more like the social life and, and how we're feeling emotionally, which is very important to health. But there needs to be, like, where you are on the growth charts and how cool you are and what's what and, and those are all great. But our girls need to need, deserve better. They deserve better than, like, if they're having irregular periods to be put on birth control because that's going to impact their, their, their gums and. Yes. So that's the first estrogen progesterone. I, I call. It's the, the. A huge rise. A lot of times they are in braces or Invisalign. They're mostly concerned about cosmetics. And don't get me wrong, I love cosmetics. I think health and beauty need to meet and shouldn't only focus on one or the other because there is a vanity component. And when I have a beautiful smile, I'm going to feel better about myself and I show up in the world. So I'm not taking that away. I believe in cosmetic dentistry, but I call it responsible cosmetic dentistry. Okay, so she has her braces on and, and if. Have you been to. So when I first moved to America and I went to high school here in Granada Hills, I was shocked at what I saw in the vending machines. I had never, like, Ian Cheetos at school.

Oh, no. It's horrific.

It's, it's so. So that was like. I feel like that's like, when the seeds started planting, I'm like, why are they feeding us this? Like. And then the smuckers, the, the, the jelly, the peanut butter jelly, and the chocolate milk and the Apple juice, a.

Bunch of food like substances and different versions of concentrated sugar. It's awful, awful, awful, awful. So, and you know what's really interesting is this is something that it's like a rite of passage for teenagers to get the wisdom teeth out.

Oh God. Yeah.

And yet we're taking wisdom teeth out of teenagers for the most part, or young twenties during a time when they are taking terrible care of themselves. Their diets are terrible, they're not sleeping enough. There's some of them are, you know, just finished growing and so depleted. And then we take their wisdom teeth out and expect them to heal.

But why are we even taking the wisdom teeth out?

But that's a great question.

Why are our mouths getting smaller? Why is there no room for our wisdom teeth? Yes. What kind of food are we eating? Yes. Soft, soft, soft food. Women are. And I couldn't breastfeed my first two daughters properly like I wanted to. I'm in the medical world and I didn't know how important it is and I didn't have the right support system around me. And just to go back to your question, like why women's dental health. Women need so much help and support and love and compassion and we need to help each other. That's the bottom line. So when I made that decision, I told Rashad, I'm like, hey, you're going to see all the husbands and the partners and you're going to see the guys. I don't care to see guys. Like, I want to see the women. I, I, I really do. I, I connect and guys are great. Don't get me wrong, they're fun to work on and they're fun to visit. They're the biggest wusses sometimes in the world. So.

Oh my God. My, my husband has to get general anesthesia to have his teeth cleaned.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's crazy.

And I just want to give a shout out to my dear friend Soni Gilch, because we were pregnant together and she was head of breast imaging and I was head of breast surgery and I was on my first, she was on her fifth. But we pumped together every single day so that we, we were each other's support. I mean, she would have done it without me because she breastfed all five of her children for two to years.

Bless.

Yeah.

Incredible.

Superwoman. Truly super. And she's like 4, 11 and superwoman. I mean she is unbelievable. Unbelievable.

Wow.

But she was the reason that I breastfed for as long as I did because They, I, I, I did it as much to keep up with her as I did to nourish my child. Because I was like, if this woman who works full time and runs the department and has five children and I just have one, if she can do this, I can do that, I can do it too.

Yeah. No, that's how we support each other and, and, and inspire each other. And she influenced you in the best of ways. And that's what I want to do. I want you to influence me in the best of ways and vice versa. So back to puberty and back to. So, so I feed my baby, like hard foods. Of course I'm watching him, I'm, I'm making sure he's safe. Please don't be negligent, don't be irresponsible. But I don't puree anything. I don't puree anything. I practice baby lead weaning and I nurse him. Those are, those are the, and that's the first, so nursing is the first orthodontic treatment of a child. And if he or she are properly growing, properly in the sense that their nasal breathing, their mouth is securely shut, their bones and their teeth are getting properly stimulated with harder foods. Because when you're using also you develop.

All of the muscles of your mouth and bone follows muscle.

Right.

So as you, as you do that, as you develop that, that skill, so too will your bone grow in.

Exactly, exactly. And as your bone grows in properly, there's usually there should be enough room for our wisdom teeth.

Yeah.

So, yeah, the wisdom teeth thing is it's like just, it's a cash cow for some offices, if you know how much money some of these offices are making. It's like, it's a lot of money. It's like great money, but it's like you can make money, I don't know, doing the right thing. And I just think that extracting wisdom teeth and they're just extracting suturing and goodbye. Like, so there's something I called cavitations that form in areas where there's wisdom teeth when the bone is necrotic in the area where the wisdom tooth is, has been removed. And back to what you were beautifully saying, like, what are they eating at this time? What is their nutrition level? Are they taking good care? Are they cleaning their mouths properly? So puberty is a beautiful opportunity that we're missing. Yeah, it's a beautiful opportunity that we're missing because we're focusing on the wrong things. And I think the orthodontists need to get on board because they'll, they're more likely to see an orthodontist than they are to see me now. Unless they have tonsil stones or bad breath and they start freaking out about that. You don't want to be going through puberty and have bad breath. But it's, it's so connected. So, so I need an orthodontist. I think nutritionists at school should be talking about this. I think, I don't think only a cavity check should be done. So before they go to school they need to go to a dentist so that they can properly like check them off. Yep. A lot of dentists just like sign it like it should be taken seriously. For a woman who is entering puberty, I think there needs to be like an hour, dedicate an hour in her life during, like, during that time to educate her about this and why it's important and show her the end result if she doesn't take care of it. That's how you can scare them in a good way.

So we are in a time like no other. And be it women are starting later, even men are starting later. There is a fertility problem in this country. It was certainly made worse by the thing that happened and, and was given to a lot of people in 2021.

But.

It'S not that simple. It's not only that we are surrounded by things that disrupt our endocrine systems, that disrupt our hormonal systems, so microplastics and, and all the things that we call xenoestrogens or refer to as xenoestrogens, non stick fragrance, antibiotics, all of these things have a terrible, terrible impact on fertility. And there is also the issue of how your oral health plays into that time of your life. So if you're in that phase and lots of people have gone to the IVF and egg freezing place because they're not ready for children in their 20s or you know, their relationship hasn't happened yet or for whatever the reason, for whatever the reason they are, they are choosing to go that route. So what do they need to know about their oral health during this stage of their lives?

Oral health is not only really important for yourself, but also for your future child. So what you do is very important for him or her. So that's where I, that's, I always start by that because we're driven by our children and we care for your child more than you care for yourself most of the time. Yeah. And, and, and, and that's just human nature as a mom. But let's talk about the men. I know I've been focusing on the women, but let's talk about the men. Periodontal disease in men has been shown to increase apoptosis of sperm, so lower sperm count and also decrease sperm motility. So someone who's struggling to get pregnant. I feel like the lowest hanging fruit is to get all sources of infection in your body under control. You don't want chronic infection in your body. And your mouth is one of the hidden, the number one hidden sources of infection.

Yeah.

So getting that deep cleaning if they need, if he, if he needs. Getting the oral microbiome tested to see if there's any high levels of pathogenic bacteria. Research is showing it takes almost six months longer to conceive when there's periodontal disease in either the man or the woman. That's, that's low hanging fruit. Like, go visit your dentist, get your deep cleaning, take care of your mouth and see what happens. I'm not saying that's a direct causality. Nothing is like cancer doesn't form overnight. It's a bunch of insults to the body. Same thing with fertility.

Yeah.

You know, if you're injecting yourself with tons of hormones. I have someone. She openly shared her story. So I can, I can, I can share her. Her name? Jessie Golden. She's 45. She got pregnant. She has rheumatoid arthritis. It was undiagnosed for many, many, many years. Her body was rejecting the fetus. Long story short, I just watched her full YouTube video. I think she's gone through three rounds of IVF and, and two miscarriages. And her mouth is the xerostomia, which is dry mouth, the discomfort in your mouth after injecting all those hormones. So I tell people after each round of ivf, visit your dentist, get a good cleaning. We use ozone. And ozone is wonderful. We're able to avoid so much antibiotics. Antibiotics is wonderful. When it's needed, it's just over prescribed. Like, I had strep throat, I needed antibiotics. It was too advanced. I was trying all the natural stuff. It saved me. But not every person who has pathogenic bacteria in their mouth needs antibiotic or who gets surgery needs antibiotics. So it's definitely overprescribed. And the more we prescribe them as dentists, it's going to offset your oral microbiome as well. So with regards to the fertility world, I would say it's gonna affect all.

Of your microbiome, not just your oral microbiome.

Oh. I mean, 65% of your gut health Comes from your mouth. If your gut, if you're, if you're, if you bleed when you floss, you have leaky gums. If you have leaky gums, you have leaky gut. It's so connected. Yeah. So this is, this is such an important part of your body to me. It sets the tone to me. Your eyes and your mouth set the tone, set the towel. Like one is your portal to your soul and one's a portal to your body. I don't know. And they're both very important. So. So if you're undergoing fertility treatment. I had a woman go through 20 rounds of IVF. She. She was a wreck. She finally got pregnant. She got her baby girl. She's as happy as can be. But also when you're feeling emotionally off and feeling very. That's financially stressful. It's stressful to the relationship.

Yeah.

What are you going to. Are you going to take great care of yourself? Unless you're super duper proactive? What kind of foods are you going to eat? Comfort foods.

Yeah. So, yeah, you're so right.

It all, it all adds on to one another. And you're going to be so tired. You're probably going to sleep without brushing and flossing many nights with injecting all those hormones. So if you have. I. I slept many nights without brushing and flossing during my. I had a very hard pregnancy. Thank God. I was eating like the Weston Price diet. I was taking care. I was. I was trying to supplement as much as possible. So we're not seeking perfection here. We're seeking awareness to understand that your oral cavity and your hormonal fluctuations throughout your body, your lifetime is going to impact your oral cavity. So let's just take more care of it as it ebbs and flows.

Yeah. Now, we did talk about the changes that come with perimenopause and menopause, and that being related to estrogen deficiency, it has a significant and profound effect on the health of your mouth, on the mucosa, on. On the teeth. And you know what? I advocate for and because. And you know, this is why I advocate for. And it's because if you lose that estrogen, even though I understand menopause is a natural state, sometimes people are put into it very unnaturally, like if you're being treated for breast cancer. But, you know, I understand that people say that menopause is a natural state, but also, you know, we. That was from a time when we didn't have the solutions that we have today. And most women died in their 50s or before. So they never had to live 50 years in this postmenopausal state. And the truth is that when the estrogen goes away, everything starts to die and you lose a lot of form and function. And it's not necessary, and I include the breast cancer population in that category. It's not necessary to lose your form and function. And estrogen is never the problem, it's never the cause. And we have to consider that women who have had breast cancer deserve that same attention and option and consideration that, that women who don't have breast cancer have. So I'm very, very, very much in favor of bioidentical hormone replacement, even in the hormone positive breast cancer population.

And we're finding there isn't a lot of research done on this yet, unfortunately. I hope that more is. But for my postmenopausal ladies that are undergoing bioidentical hormonal replacement therapy, their symptoms are improving. The dry mouth improves. The burning mouth syndrome with proper supplementation improves. Yeah, the, the, this does not surprise me.

It's not because your, your soft tissues improve, right?

Exactly.

You go from having dry everything to getting the moisture back and getting the thickness back and getting the texture back. And you know, it all, all tracks because that's what estrogen does. Does so. And I'm not advocating for estrogen alone. I, I tell people that, you know, we replace estrogen and progesterone and testosterone and DHEA and, you know, we replace what you need. Yeah, but the goal is not to restore, you know, the, the levels that you have in fertility. It's not to restore menstruation. It's not to restore ovulation. It's not for any of those purposes.

Get comfortable, have a good quality of life. Yes.

It is the minimum amount you need to keep your brain working and keep your heart working and keep your bones working and your joints working and your vagina working and your relationship working and your mood working. And, you know, that's what it's there for. That's what it's there for. It is there, in the esteemed words of Dr. David Rosensweet, it's to keep women out of nursing homes, wheelchairs and adult diapers and the dentist's office.

Yes, right. Well, electively. Electively, exactly.

You want to go there electively, not.

Emergently or, or preventively. Like just come in for your cleanings. Let's get a high five and have a nice discussion. And we all, instead of dealing with like 10 cavities at the gum because of the, the Xerostomia? Yeah, absolutely. Do you work with women? If, like, so I have a few patients that are actually like, they are looking for practitioners that really hormones and I have full confidence. And you, I'm going to ask you off, off, who do you recommend? But if, if.

Because a long list of people who see the world the same way that I do, some of them are, are out like I am, some of them are doing it on the DL. And either way, I'm happy to be a resource for you because while I use my very loud voice to impact change, there are people who are doing it but don't want to be out there about doing it. So, you know, I hope that I can take the shame away from it and that we can, we can make it perfectly clear that it is perfectly safe. And the truth is that women who have had breast cancer, they get recurrences whether they take hormone replacement or not. But when we compare the population of women who have had breast cancer and are taking hormone replacement to the population of women who are not, the women who take hormone replacement do not have more recurrences. They have better quality of life and they, they have the same or better survival. Because if you're happier and healthier, the likelihood is you're not going to have a recurrence. Now that doesn't mean it's not going to happen. Of course it's going to happen. But all we have to do is look at the world since 2003 to know that taking away hormone replacement didn't stop breast cancer. In fact, the breast cancer incidence went up and it didn't stop recurrences because no one, no one was doing hormone replacement after breast cancer. And we still have the same exact number of deaths every single year from breast cancer. The same exact number. So it's not the hormones, it's not the hormones, honey. It's not. And we need to take a long, hard look at why all of that information and why all of that narrative was out there. And, and it's pretty easy to see. Why would you advocate for a one or two drug system when in fact you can instead put them on 6, 7, 8 or 9 drugs? So why put them on hormone replacement when you can put them on anti anxiety pills and antidepressants and sleep medicines and beta blockers for heart rate and anxiety and you can put them on medicine for their joints and NSAIDs and pain relievers and you can put them on medicines for their bones and you can put them on a medicine to stop their bladder from leaking sometimes. And, you know, and on and on and on it goes. Right. And so the, this polypharmacy that is supposedly the solution as opposed to just having women on hormone replacement. I mean, it's really despicable. It's really dubious and despicable. So the time for change is here, it's now. And I, I have a posse of people who are going to make sure that this isn't going to happen anymore.

I love that. Thank you. Thank you on behalf of all women. Absolutely. We want to function, we want to be happy.

So I want to talk specifically about drugs now that we got onto that topic. So how does birth control, how do birth control pills, which women are put on as like a trigger reflex, have cycle irregularities, put them on birth control pills, have acne, put them on birth control pills, have headaches, put them on birth control pills. I mean, this is happening all day, every day in the gynecology, in the gynecologist office, and no one's asking what are the long term consequences of which there are many.

So many.

Right.

So many.

But specifically, can you address what's happening in the mouth?

So these are synthetic hormones. Yes.

And, but to be clear, everything is synthetic, but these are non bioidentical in that these are hormones that are non physiologic. We don't, we don't know of many of these forms of hormones. They're very good for pregnant horses, but they were not meant to be in, in humans.

Humans, we are finding so much gum inflammation, so much gum inflammation. And we. So by the time somebody comes to my office, they've done a lot of research, they vetted me out and they've gone to a lot of other doctors. We're usually the third or fourth or fifth opinion and it's usually after, like, for example, oh, crap, I need to get off birth control. This is, this is making me feel ill. It's making me feel sick. It's not making me feel, it's making me feel crazy. I'm unable to take proper care of myself. So we're seeing a lot of gum issues. And depending on how long the woman was on the birth control is how I like evaluate, like the severity of the gum issues. The longer I'm seeing more bone loss in women who've been on birth control longer. If you're on birth control for a couple years and you come to me like 20 years later, I don't think it's had massive irreversible effects. If you, you know, you've detoxed and you've cleansed and you've visited your dentist, hopefully. But what I want to say is for anybody on birth control is to really pay attention to the quality of your gums and the quality of your saliva as it changes as you're on that birth control. I, I was sharing, I did a live with Angie Green called Open Mouth, Open Vagina. There's a lot of similarities between vaginal tissues and our mouth, physiologically, histologically. And anything we do to restore one area is going to impact the other because they're also connected with fascia. That's another topic. But they're very connected.

We did a whole podcast on it. So I love that people know.

Okay. I love it. So it's so important to it. It impacts your mucosa and, and it just causes inflammation and when you're inflamed, it's just not going to make you feel.

Yeah.

Well, at all.

Yeah, yeah. What about other drugs like acid blockers?

Acid blockers.

And if you don't know and if it's not a thing, I'm just asking and I was just thinking about, can.

You give me a type of acid.

Blocker like proton pump inhibitors or.

Oh, yes, yes, yes. No. They also like. And I think. Is that one of statins, Proton pump, like these drugs?

Well, statins are another class of drugs that they, they're hmd, COQA inhibitors and they prevent the production of cholesterol, which has very, very, very detrimental effects on the rest of the body. Because what we've been taught to villainize cholesterol because. Well, primarily for the sale of cholesterol blocking medications. But cholesterol is not the issue. It is a very, very, very important molecule. It is the base of all of our hormones, our neurons, transmitters, it makes up our cell walls. It's very, very important. And depleting cholesterol never helped anyone. And in fact it has lots and lots and lots of side effects and consequences like depression for men. It's, it's loss of libido, there are mood changes, there's impotence, you know, not for nothing. And so I, unless you have familial hypercholesterolemia and your cholesterol is in the three hundreds and four hundreds and then, you know, that's a different story. You need to slow down that train. But for the most part, if your cholesterol is going up, specifically your ldl, that is your body, because cholesterol is a very anti inflammatory molecule. That's your body trying to put out a fire that probably goes along with birth control pills because they're so inflammatory that they probably do make people's LDL rise.

Yeah, I'm not familiar with that, but. And the acid, what was the one you asked me? I'm not, I'm not familiar with that. But with the anti cholesterol medication, it impacts your, like we see it's anytime the mouth is very inflamed and red and you see your gums are bulbous and you bleed when you floss, you need to just take a step back and look into it like what am I ingesting, what am I taking, how am I breathing? And I would take a look at every single one of the pharmaceutical medications being prescribed to my patients and I break it down with them. And a lot of these pharmaceutical medicines cause a lot of dry mouth. A lot of dry mouth. And then a slew of other things happens when the dry mouth and all the burning mouth syndrome, the changes on your tongue decay, the tonsil stones. So it's your immune system acting up.

Yeah.

To be like, hey, you're ingesting something.

Yeah. What about antidepressants?

Oh, those are so antidepressants and anti anxiety depression medications. I had this one 11 year old boy come in I think right before I got pregnant and I could tell there was something off in the home and they had him on anti anxiety medications, antidepressant and ADHD medication. Okay.

Oh, goodness gracious.

So I did my full exam, I tested his nitric oxide, his ph, awful, off the charts. I looked at his mouth, he had severe crowding, open mouth posture, nutrition awful. He wasn't eating well. This boy was not sleeping. He was not sleeping. He was not getting proper oxygenation to his brain. So he was a chronic mouth breather. He had severe inflamed gums in the front and really bad decay in the back. Horrible microbiome. And they have them on anti anxiety medications and antidepressants and they what, what are, what is the big side effects of these two MET medications and the ADHD medications is dry mouth is xerostomia. So we're adding insult to injury. This boy is not breathing properly. And at night, by the way, when you're, when you're sleeping, you don't produce more saliva. So that's why I'm a huge proponent and believer in mouth taping because to, to lock in the saliva that we go to sleep with that we can stay moist and, and, and, and protected. So antidepressants cause a lot of dry mouth, a lot of dry Mouth. And a lot of people on antidepressants, they come into my office on antidepressants. And we don't only talk about the mouth, we talk about everything else, like sauna use, exercise, reiki, energetic, healing your emotions. Have a biocharger that we sit around and have like a heart to heart conversation. It's easy to drill on people's teeth. It's very easy. It's not easy to heal people. It takes energy and effort. So after we speak about all these things, their main thing is they want to get off their antidepressants or at least decrease the dosages. Decreasing the dosage will help. I'm not telling people to please, you know, obviously consult with your doctor.

Of course. This is a podcast, everyone. This is not a personal medical or dental consultation. And any changes that you make, you should make in cooperation and conjunction with your provider. We are not your provider.

Yes, exactly. So but as you start learning more and as you start talking to your provider over the years, you start making changes. And over time my patients are getting off their depress antidepressants and anti anxiety and I see a huge, a different mouth. The reason I love mouths is because it tells me a story. Every mouth tells me a story. Literally. Literally. Literally.

Okay, so I want to, I want to end with something that you brought up a little bit. And this is still like such a big cultural thing. What is bad breath? And why should we not be using Listerine or Scope? Why is that not the answer?

Listerine and Scope. So never use anything with alcohol in your mouth. Because at the end of the day, what makes a healthy gut, what makes a healthy vagina? What makes a healthy mouth? It's the microbiome. If we mess with the microbiome, it's going to mess with the health of it. And it's all interconnected. So at Listerine, Scope and Act and all those mouthwashes that we see in our drug scores, drugstores, they all, they all mess with your microbiome. They're not, it's, it's a, it's a band aid. Like my husband was addicted to Listerine, specifically Listerine with alcohol. And I, I, I, I spoke to him, he's like, it makes me feel like my mouth is clean. The power of marketing, they're putting billions of dollars in the marketing to it is no joke. You know, Lydia feel like when she swishes with that Listerine, it's, it's going to clean her mouth. Go in between, like the, I remember the commercials, they go in between the teeth and they remove all the plaques. That's bs. That's bs. Not only is it horrible for your microbiome, but it's your horrible. It's horrible for nitric oxide production because just. It offsets your system. So stay away from all those mouthwashes. If you really need something to feel better about yourself, there's some cleaner mouthwashes. I say make your own at home. Salt water is wonderful. Um, if you are a pregnant woman or going through a bout of stress or IVF or major hormonal changes that are. Is going to offset the. The ph of your mouth, I would do baking soda mouthwashes. And those work really nice. But I always say, say this to patients, please work with your dentist, because even those mouthwashes, even the natural stuff, if all overused, can offset your microbiome. I think the focus should be your diet, your breathing, and your habits. What, what I mean by that? Eat whole foods. Know where your food is coming from. No processed foods. No processed carbohydrates. Don't feed your children goldfish and pretzels. And, and crackers. Those are wor. Like, those are just as bad as Sour Patch Kids, especially the gold. All the sticky crack. Crackers are. Are horrible. Pay such close attention to your breathing. If you're mouth breathing, you're missing an opportunity to heal your mouth, but also heal your brain and your mind because you're not getting properly oxygenated. You're not making nitric oxide, which is responsible for vasodilation. And, and, and in. In. In. In men. Also has been linked to erectile dysfunction. But I always say.

And heart disease.

And heart disease, yes. High blood pressure, blood pressure issues. I always say your oral health is. Your nasal health is as important as your oral health. So next to my nightstand, I have my nasal spray. It's saline. I spend a couple minutes really cleaning my nose before I put my mouth tape on. On the nights that I put mouth tape on, if you cannot breathe through your nose and you breathe through your mouth, you're losing an opportunity to filter your air. You're drying out your mouth, and you're messing up your microbiome. So breathing is so important.

It is, it is. There's a great book by James Nestor called Breathe or Breath.

I love it.

I never know how I'm supposed to pronounce it, but it's yellow.

It's yellow. And I give it to my amazing.

Amazing, amazing book that everyone should read. This was an awesome conversation. I so loved having you.

Thank you.

Oh, one last thing. Flossing or water pick or both.

If you can floss, floss. Water pick is for those like if you have a dexterity issues. If you have a wild teenager that won't floss, that doesn't know the value of it. Water picks are great. But if you can floss and get in between your teeth and not only up and down, hug each tooth and clean each side of the tooth, that's proper flossing. Yeah, water picking. I feel like if you're in a hurry, if you can't get in there. But flossing is the gold standard.

Yeah, got it. Okay. Where can people find you?

I'm mostly on Instagram these days, so Rlydia and our website for booking appointments. But that's like my main channel and I have.

Where are you located? For those who want to book an.

Appointment, we are in Beverly Hills. I work with my older brother. I turned him onto biological dentistry. So he practices full on biological dentistry like I. He does all the surgeries now and we work beautifully together. It's a boutique dental clinic and it's a dream of a practice coming true.

That is amazing. So I thank you so much for sharing this with us, with my community. The work that you're doing is so important and we need people who are thinking about dentistry for women because we are not another version of a man. And this is demonstrated time and time and time again. And the medical industry has really ignored women and differences in women and the needs of women. And it's so important, the work that you do and bringing this to the forefront. So I thank you so much for that and for your time today and for your great conversation. I really, I loved having you.

Thank you. You're wonderful to speak with. You're really easy to talk to. Thank you for having me.

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