Interview with Dr. Thomas Lodi

Hello, Instagram you Tonight, you're in for a treat because I have Dr. Thomas Lode joining me. And if you don't know him, you need to know him because he is brilliant. And absolutely just so ahead of his time. Such a novel thinker, but there he is.

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Hello.

Hi.

How's your Thursday?

On my Wednesday, well, my Thursday is just beginning, but this, it's crazy. So Instagram only allows us to do this by phone?

Yeah, it's okay because we're gonna put this. We'll put this everywhere. We'll put it on Facebook and we'll put it on YouTube and lots of people will be able to catch it.

No, but I mean, I just mean in terms of the. The audio, everything is not as good on the phone, but that's cool. I'm happy to be here, happy to have you.

So I feel like your time is so valuable, so I really want to get right to it because I know that you. Your perspective is so refreshing and is going to be so helpful for so many people. So first, let's start us off and talk about, like, what is breast cancer? What's happening there? Because I think most people think that if they get breast cancer, they have a bad breast.

Oh, so what was the question again?

Yeah, what is breast cancer? What's happening in the body?

Oh, wow, it's that audio. Let me see what I can do. Hold on. It sounds.

We'Re having technical difficulties.

Yeah, no, it just sounded so grumbled. Please, one more time. And also, you're frozen.

Yeah. So I was saying that most people, when they get a breast cancer diagnosis, they're under the impression that they have a bad breast. Right. So I wanted you to talk to people about what is actually happening when people get breast cancer.

Sure, absolutely. Well, first of all, I think it's important to understand something, is that the biology of cancer is the biology of cancer. And. And the reason we, you know, we always separate. They use the word type, which really infuriates me because it's not type, it's just location. You know, breast, ovary, uterus, colon, pancreas. The second word is cancer. The first word is location. And so now why do they differ is because of the different organs, functions and drainage systems and things like that. So the difference is that. But the fundamental biology of cancer is the biology of cancer. And we know what it is. You know, we know since 1931, it's a. It's basically, you know, Otto Warburg put it very simply by saying failure of cellular respiration in Those days, they didn't know what mitochondria were. Now we do, and we know if you knock out 40%, 50%, the cell has to start firm fermenting. It's a homeostatic corrective response. And by the way, I worked with a Dr. Kobayashi for 25 years in Japan, sadly, sadly passed away recently. But he had a test. It was a test called tumor marker combination assay, which the Mayo Clinic didn't believe that it was real. So they sent him 100 tubes of blood. You know, some were frozen blood before someone has, was ever diagnosed with cancer, and some were not cancer and some were children and babies and. Well, Anyway, he was 88% accurate, which blew their minds. That's more accurate than a PET scan. So anyway, so he looks what he did, he just looks at different, different things. Some, some, some parameters that you would use only in research, and then some that you and I are familiar with. And he had algorithms and he can see if you had nanograms, micrograms, milligrams or one gram or more. So when you get a little lump in your breast, then you've got a gram or more. So that means that would put you at under his classification as a TMCA 5. Right. And so, but so his, his 5 is our 1. So. Yeah, his 5 is our 1. Right. So. But what I want everyone to understand too, I don't believe their staging system either. I don't believe anything they say, and I know I sound like a freak, but I don't believe anything they say. If they tell me it's Tuesday, I'm going to check my calendar.

Okay, so what is it about the way that cancer is addressed in this. Well, all over the world, really, in that conventional medical model. What is it about that model that you don't agree with?

Yeah. Okay, well. And every day, Every day I talk to women all over the world. I don't. Every continent, you know, that's what I do. And I. Breast cancer, you know, listen, it's like the leading cause of death in women now. And it wasn't. It wasn't. And in fact, when in 1907, when they started this whole thing, there was 0.07% of the population died from cancer. And from that they decided to make American Cancer Society, which eventually became that it was a Rockefeller thing. And anyway, you know, now 40% of the people in America are succumbing to cancer, are dying. So anyway, I don't know how they predicted it, but they're pretty amazing. But anyway, so what I'm seeing is the same old thing. And please, everyone realize that the doctor you're sitting in front of is not looking at you as a human being and thinking and looking at your data and saying, hmm, what should I do? No, they're getting. They want. They know. They've got algorithms, and the algorithms are. They call it guidelines, but they're really instructions. And they're telling the doctor, this is what you must do. And if you don't do this, you're not going to be held high in your colleagues. Your professional standing will go down and everything. And so since most doctors took Hippocratic oath to their career rather than to their patients, then they. They go. They go along with that. So what are they going to do? Always they want to cut it, biopsy it, then cut. Either cut, do a lumpectomy or do a mastectomy and do genetic testing. And. Yeah, and all of it's for. And I want. And I know, I'm trying, I'm talking fast, but I'm, you know, it's. It's to get the nomenclature that they have. And all they have, all they give you is what's called a histological description. And histology is simply microscopic anatomy looking at the. At the. At the. At the details of a tissue. So they take it out and they go, aha, this is invasive ductal carcinoma. And you think, oh, my God, this guy's so smart. This lady's so smart. No, it just said, oh, it was in the duct. It invaded through the wall, and it's a carcinoma, not a sarcoma. Oh, okay. All right, Doc. Brilliant, Doctor. Now what? Can you tell me two things that I'd like to know? How did I get this and how do I get rid of this?

Well.

Not that. Can't go that far, but anyway, so they spent a lot of money to come up with a name, and that's it. And they get the name because the name they can stick into their Rockefeller, excuse me, algorithm, which is basically a sales algorithm. It sells you products and services.

Should we be thinking about instead, how can that person that receives that diagnosis, how can they be empowered? And what should they be doing? What should they be thinking about?

Beautiful. Beautiful. Okay, so what they should be doing is, first of all, never, ever step foot again in the House of Horus. Just never do that. Never, never ever talk to an oncologist ever. And, you know, find yourself a good, functional doctor who's been well trained in allopathic medicine and knows the other side. They have to know both sides. You know, they can't. They can't just know you can't. That's why. That's the one problem I have. Like, I'm very fortunate. One of my naturopaths is almost an alipath. I mean, because she's had her. She worked with, you know, anyway, so. Because. So. But you got to have someone who knows both sides, so they can. Because it's never. There's no one discipline that has all the answers. You've got to be able to know when to do what you know, you got a brain tumor growing, you better do some radiation quickly, right? It depends on the situation. You've got to know when. And that's. That's very important. So what I'd like someone to do when they first find out is to say, take a breath and realize, hey, if I have a lump, let's say you just have a lump. You just have like a mass in your breast, okay? It's been at least eight years in the making, so there's nothing I have to do Monday. I don't have to go Monday and cut things off.

I think that is such an important point that people are so often just rushed into treatment, right? They're made to think that it is an emergency, and then they have to get scheduled for surgery right away or get a port put in and start chemo right away. And I think what you said, take a breath. That is such an important point because with very rare exception, you have time.

Exactly, exactly. And there are, there. There are situations where you know, and you know, you know, because of this turb, whatever they're calling it, turbo cancer, you know, we're seeing people now, you know, early on, you know, with advanced stages. So there's different things, you know, different, different. But for the most part, no. And it's also something very important, is this is a time to please throw away the diagnosis. Because the diagnosis, as I said, is a histological description. And it also is. It says, you've got to realize that it's like they put a spell on you. Because I talk to people and they talk about their lives well before I was diagnosed, once I was diagnosed, after I was diagnosed, as soon as my diagnosis, as if that were like a fundamental part of. And here's what it is. A diagnosis is a snapshot. Now, in film industry, when they're making a movie, they do what are called stills. They take shots of different photographs of people on the set so they can use them for marketing later. Well, if I showed you the still from any movie. You could not tell me what that movie is about. And that's all they do when they take a histological description. The other thing, by the way, is that, remember, the genetic expression of your tumor will change depending on the microenvironment in which it is because the genetic expression is a consequence. It's like the knee jerk. It's a way to compensate and to succeed in the environment in which a cell is. So we have to understand that the genes are like the parts department. They're the, they're the set of all the potential responses a cell can make. And it's making them based on its microenvironment. And so our job is to change that microenvironment.

How do we do that? How do we control that microenvironment such that it is fostering health instead of promoting disease?

Right, Right. Perfect. And one thing I didn't add to the last question was this. It's now time to do due diligence. Someone told you you have a problem? Just say, okay, I have a problem. I've got these chronically fermenting cells in my breast. So I. Let me do my homework, let me go online, let me research, let me find out. Just like if you're going to buy a car, you're not going to go to buy the car for the first person. You're not going to buy a house from the first one you look at. You know, so do your due diligence. This is a little more important decision than buying a house or buying a car. So do your due diligence. Feel comfortable with what you know and when. And read it. Read it. Yeah, it may be difficult, but try to find, you know, go to a, go to a research paper and look at the conclusion or look at the abstract. Sometimes you can get a lot of information from that. So, you know, do that or confer with other people, talk to other people, get into groups and find out everything before you make any decisions. But whatever you do, if you understand that cancer is a consequence, it's a homeostatic corrective response. And it happens. By the way, if I run up the street right now, I haven't been running lately, so it won't take long before my legs will start aching. Why are they aching? Because I've exceeded my aerobic capacity and I'm producing lactic acid. So if I go and I blow off all that CO2, then it goes back to being normal. I don't have any pain. Well, what happened when I blew off that CO2 is I went back to using my mitochondria in the cancer cell. They've lost too many, they're too dysfunctional, so they can't go back. So they're stuck in glycolysis for the most part. Right. And so anyway, all of that comes about because of an accumulation of toxins. And you can't say, well, what caused my cancer? Well, what didn't. You know, this is the 21st century. You know, we're exposed. Our food, our water, our lifestyle, our stresses, you know, you know, your hair's not right, you broke your fingernail, you're late for, you know, things that, that really stress people out. And, and so first thing you do, do your due diligence, then if I can tell you the first thing, and I know you, no one's going to do it. And I know you're not going to believe me, maybe you will. But go to bed early. I just promise you if you go to bed early, your life will change. Because when you go to bed, you make yourself. You put. You put a mask on, you cool the room down, you put earplugs in, you turn off all the electronics. Yeah, you. And you do. You do a mind enema before you sleep. You sit down, write down all the things you did today, all the things you need to do tomorrow, all the things you next week, blah, blah, blah. So you empty your mind so you don't have to think about it. You're not, it's not, it's not attacking you when you're trying to sleep and you go to sleep early because to tomorrow begins today. And it's like getting on the A train. You get on the A train, there's no way you're not going to wind up in Harlem. So, you know, so if you go to bed at 11 o', clock, it's not, it's. You're going to have the same day you had yesterday. And here's what happens. And this. I'm doing some research on this right now. The incredible gift from sleeping early. Not just enough sleep, but sleeping early willpower. Because there's not a cigarette smoker alive that doesn't know they should quit. There's not an alcoholic that doesn't know that. You know, we all know what we should do, but we don't why. And that's. And because if you're tired, if you're on your fourth cup of coffee and you're rushing and you drive by McDonald's, you're gonna say, ah, what the hell. And you're gonna go do it. But if you got up at 4, you did your, you know, you did your meditation and prayer and your yoga and your exercise, you're gonna feel so fantastic, there's no way you're gonna stop and destroy that. So you gotta go to bed early. I told him one thing, I was saying, the other thing is you got to do a cleanse. Gotta keep your cloth, get your colon cleansed. You gotta do lymphatic therapies. And when they tell you, oh, don't, you're gonna make the cancer go into the lymphatics, and that's. You're gonna make cause spread. Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. People don't drink out of ponds, they drink out of rivers. Flow is life, flow is energy. You've got to keep your lymphatics flowing. That's what they're there for. And your lymph nodes, by the way, are not your enemy. They're the intelligence, little intelligence headquarters that are making up their mind on how to immunologically respond to this situation. So anyway, you've got to be good to your lymphatic system and drink. Do a juice cleanse. Do a juice cleanse. Do a three week juice cleanse. Go on YouTube, watch fat, sick and nearly dead. And the reason I want you to watch that is this is a guy who was fat, sick and nearly dead on all kinds of medication, and he said, oh, okay, I'll do a week. He wound up doing two weeks. He wound up doing eight weeks. He's lost his weight, he's off all his medication. And the reason is he was just a guy. His name was Joe, just a regular Joe. I just want you to see that this is not necessarily coming from a doctor, not a professional documentary, but it's very empowering. It'll give you. You can say, well, if Joe did it, I can do it and do it.

And what? Just share with us what is your juice cleanse.

Oh, okay. Well, the basic juice recipe that I use is you need celery and cucumber for the volume of water in them, because you're not a lot of water in spinach, not a lot of water in kale or broccoli, but there's a lot of water in celery and cucumber. So you use them to get, to get, to get the volume. And then you put in. And I use spinach and kale. You can put in broccoli, you can put in bok choy. But I just, you know, keep it simple. Spinach and Kale and celery, cucumber. Then I put a little lemon. The lemon will take away any bitterness, because sometimes you don't. Sometimes you might get a bitter kale of the day. You might get a bitter. Whatever. Whatever you're using. So the lemon takes away bitterness. And then you put it in an apple. And an apple will take away the sourness from the lemon. And so you put enough in to make it taste good that you look forward to it. Don't be afraid of a little bit of fruit and stuff like that, because here's the thing. And I'm doing some more research on this, too. In fact, I'm writing a book. It's called why it has to Taste Good. Because if it doesn't taste good, and you're doing it because I have to. You're. You're feeling victimized. You're feeling. And you're feeling anybody. It'll suppress your immune system. And so any benefit you might have gotten from eating a certain thing or drinking a certain thing will be lost by the immune suppression from feeling, you know, like you're. You're not. You're. You know, my life's not worth living. I have to drink this junk. And I. And so you're really important that you say that you relish it. I had a guy walk. Listen, I gotta say, I had a guy walking around with colon cancer all in his liver. Very, very. Anyway, he's walking around, taking that juice, holding it up to the heavens every time he took a sip, saying, thank you, God, and drinking it, drinking it. This guy had metastatic colon cancer in six weeks. It was clean PET scan. And I really. It had nothing to do with me. It had to do with him. His attitude was, yeah, I got this fantastic opportunity to regain my health. And that's the other thing. Please. The reason I don't want you to have a diagnosis. I don't want. You. If you get a scan, tell the doctor to go look at it. You don't want to look at it. I don't want you to picture what's in there. And if you have already seen the scan, then I want you to sit down, draw it out. Draw out what you think is the tumor. And then next to it, draw that same thing, that same breast with the same tumor in it. Maybe two breasts. You have one normal one, and then draw it half the size, and then next to that, half the size and next to that, until there's nothing there. Because invariably throughout the day, your mind will land on that tumor. And when it Does I want you to shrink it. So if you think it's, shrink it. Okay. Remember that because. And then the minute you get down to a nice, beautiful clearance. Wonderful breasts. Put some music on or call somebody or quickly. Because your mind is gonna, you know, you gotta get your mind away from that. So. And get pictures of breasts. You know, put breasts, put beautiful breasts around the house. Beautiful. Get, you know, get mammograms, clean mammograms. And you know, just. I want you to start. It's very, very important to do that.

So I think an important part of what you're saying is that you have to truly believe that you can get well. Right?

Right.

That is the first part. And then you have to behave in a way that is making you well, Right. That is making you healthy and do those things, do those behaviors that, you know, that you know, drive health. Right, exactly. And so you're talking about starting off with a three week juice cleanse. And this is basically to nourish your body, right. Properly. You nourish your body so that your body can do what it is supposed to do. Because our body has the capability of healing. We need to give it what it needs to heal.

Exactly. And if anybody has a doubt, just go into the kitchen, get a little knife, slice your finger and see what happens. You're gonna see it bleed, you're gonna see it scab, and then in a few days it'll be gone. That's what your body was hardwired to do. And it's designed to regenerate, rejuvenate and procreate. That's the.

Why do you think people think that cancer is the exception to that rule? Why do you think we believe that we can heal from a cut or a fracture or something like that, but we can't heal a cancer?

Well, sadly, it's the same reason for the, the great hoax we just went through. It's mass fear. There's been hundreds of billions of dollars since the 20s spent on the word cancer. And that's why I don't like the word and I don't want to use it. And I prefer I have everybody I speak to, I want, let's call them CFCs. Chronically fermenting cells. Because it doesn't have the emotional impact. Because when you hear that word, when you hear that word, it's like someone just stole your future. Someone just said you're done and you can't take. And the reason I don't want you to go to the hospital is not. Listen, you break your Leg. You got a baby coming out feet first. I mean, there are reasons you gotta go to the hospital, but because they call it the standard of care and I call it the standard of scare, and they scare you into submission. And I've had so many people come in crying, looking around and seeing people with the same diagnosis and seeing that they didn't. They didn't go through all that stuff and they're just crying. I didn't have to do this. And the answer is no, you didn't have to. It might come. Listen, it's not where. I'm not saying you're not gonna. Surgery might eventually need to be, but you don't do the. How do you say it? The irreplace of the. You don't do that. Which is permanent. First. You first work on stopping the process.

Irreversible.

Exactly. Yeah. Why do that first? Yeah. And then. And so what we want. And also imagine. Imagine you have a. I mean a good size mass. Let's say you have a 3 by 5 centimeter mass in your breast and. And a small mass on your liver. Okay? Now think about it. If it doesn't. If they don't grow and they don't spread, you. You will live a normal life. So your real question to any doctor or to any friend, any consultant, is not how do I get rid of this? It's how do I stop making this? How do I stop making cancer? And that's what we have to keep our focus on. So the juice cleanse. Now think about it. Juice is 95% water. So you're just drinking a ton of water. I want you to drink three quarts a day. If you can drink four, drink it right? And you're going to do that until you're urinating out of both ends there. You know, you're just. I want you to just clean out and you'll be. You'll know you're drinking enough when you're peeing all the time. Okay, that's beautiful because you're. What you're doing is we want to change the fluid that surrounds our cells called the interstitial fluid. Right? And remember, we have two drainage systems and one input. Arteries bring stuff to cells and tissues and veins. Take away 90% and lymphatics take away 10%. So we have two drainage systems. So God's telling us drainage is a little more important than feeding, right? So that turns out to be true. So when you're drinking all this stuff and you're peeing all the time, you're basically Cleaning out that interstitial fluid. So you're changing the water in the aquarium. Very, very important. And think about it. Well, what about my nutrition? Yeah. Listen, the only thing that juice doesn't have is fat and fiber. It's got carbohydrates, it's got all the amino acids. It's got phytonutrients, it's got chelated minerals. It's got all that stuff. In fact, you're getting in one liter of juice more nutrition than the average American gets in two months, three months in that one liter. So it's highly nutritious. That's why I call it a juice feast, not a fast. So a fast is water. So. And you'll have energy. I mean, this guy was. You go to watch fat, sick and early death. Eight weeks, he's still, you know, you can go to. I've had people go 12, 15 weeks. You know, you feel fantastic, you've got energy, you're renewed. And, you know, and there are many, many other things, but the big thing that I love in it is that it changes your attitude. You really, you start to experience health. And that will improve your immune system. Because in the end, we've got to improve the. We've got to get the immune system. Because, listen, if your immune system was fully functional, whatever's in your body, be gone in a week. Because this immune system is like crazy powerful and smart. It's called God smart. You know, it'll, it'll, it'll take care of it. We just have to, you know, we, we have to really. And that's why I work on the immune system a lot. And there are really important things you got to do with that as well. So.

There was a question that came across that wants to know why juice and not smoothies? Why aren't you using the fiber of the vegetables and the fruit?

Yeah, good question. Because the fiber is. Fiber is important. Absolutely. But not now. You know, there's a time to go to sleep. There's a time to wake up. Right. You know, Solomon. Right. The time for everything. Every season there. Yeah. There's always. There's. Well, this is the time to cleanse. It's not the time to put fiber in your, in your colon. So you're in. You're not going to do juice only for a long time. But the purpose of it is so. Because if you use. If you just blend it up and you have a smoothie, you won't be able to get much because you're going to get full. You're going to have all that fiber, you're going to get full and you're basically just turn, you're no longer eating solid food, you're eating liquid food. And that's, that's what you, you, you've liquefied the food. So we're saying take the fiber out so that you have all the nutrients, all the minus fiber nutrients.

Yeah.

And you do this for three, four, because it's time to clean. We're changing the water in the aquarium. Then we're going to get into feeding and eating fiber and all those stuff. Chia seeds. I mean, chia seeds are just ridiculously magical important. I mean they have all nine amino, essential amino acids. They've got a 3 to 16 omega 3 to 6 ratios. You get all of your fats and it's soluble fiber, so it goes down to your colon and gets turned into really healthy short chain fatty acids. So it's like a really amazing, amazing food.

Yeah. And for the person that asked about protein, we are still talking about.

Just.

A three week period. We're talking about in the beginning, a kickoff, changing the water in the aquarium, as you refer to it. So we're talking about a limited period of time in which you are cleansing your body and giving it what it needs to allow the healing to start, to allow your immune system to come back online. Because as you said, if your immune system was intact, whatever is happening wouldn't be happening.

Right, Exactly. Yeah. And so. Well, here's the thing. If you think about what a plant is, a plant like any leaf, you know, I don't care what it is, bok choy or whatever, the cruciferous vegetables, cabbage, it doesn't matter, spinach, it's basically the leaf is made up of carbohydrates and amino acids. That's what it is. Okay? The fats are in the seeds or the nuts. That's the fat. Because see, plants provide all three macro nutrients that we need. That's all we need. Carbs, fats and protein. And the protein is amino acids. Well, the plants will have all of the amino acids, so you'll be getting protein. And you know, we were misled. Can you imagine we were misled? Of course, we're misled on everything. In fact, my rule of thumb is that everything we've ever learned is the opposite of the truth. And I think if you work with that, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll come a long way. But the strongest, the biggest, the most powerful animal with the most protein in their body. Is the elephant. And the elephant eats nothing. Is a vegan. Okay, Then you've got the rhino and you got the hippo. They're all vegans. And then you got the horse, the gazelle, the zebra. Try to catch them. You know, these are strong, they're powerful. So not only are they bigger and stronger than lions, and it takes seven lions to take down an elephant. Not only are they bigger and stronger, full of protein, but they can run all day of three minutes. Like the cheetah, they run all day because they have more endurance. And guess what? They live. The elephant lives 60 to 90 years, horse lives 28 to 40 years. Chimpanzee lives 55 years. Cats, dogs, lions, tigers, panthers, 15 years. So strength, endurance and longevity go to the plant eaters. And this is not an opinion. This is biology. Zoology. Yeah. So don't worry about the protein, worry about the fat. That's what I want. I want you, when you get back to eating, then I want, I recommend. And we have at our clinic up to 60% fat. And that's not ketogenic. Everybody's misused that word. Like it's kind of like the word awesome. Buying a pretzel. Oh, that's awesome. Oh, it's not awesome, but anyway, so it's not a ketogenic diet, but it is. We need. If everybody is not yet familiar, I would recommend going and read up the work of Dr. Jerry Tennant, who brilliant ophthalmologist. He invented Lasik surgery. He has like six or seven patents. Anyway, the guy's pretty smart guy, you know, eye surgeon, ophthalmologist. Anyway, he figured out about cellular voltage. And he. Cellular voltage is basically the accumulated ATP that we've been able to produce in our. In our cells. Now, the voltage is held in place by the membranes of our cell. And our membranes are what they call biphospholipid, meaning they have a phosphate on one side and a phosphate on the other side in the middle of the lipid, which means there's two conducting elements. Phosphates conduct water because they have a negative charge. And in the middle they don't conduct water. So it's an insulator. So two, two conductors separated by an insulator is a capacitor which holds voltage. And our normal cell, when you're healthy and you're feeling great, is about 22 to 25 millivolts you get. We have cancer, you have to get up to 70 millivolts and to stay there. And if you do. And remember the other thing about alkalinity and all that it's very important to understand that if you have a lot of voltage, that means you have a lot of extra electrons. That's the same thing as having a lot of antioxidants, which are electron donors. And that's the same thing as being alkaline, which is an electron donor. So alkalinity, antioxidation and voltage are all the same thing. And then the guys that steal it are acidity and oxidation and then low voltage. So anyway, you gotta be able to.

Get tumor microenvironment, right? That's happening in the tumor microenvironment. And so all of this effort that you're talking about, the initial cleanse and then what you're going to do and after this is to change that, the macro environment and also to change that tumor microenvironment. Because if you restore the health of that, then that tumor does not have that same survival drive.

Right, right, right.

You're telling your body that it's safe.

One example is a lot of people may have heard the. It's pten P T E N tumor suppressor gets turned down in many cancers. Gets tuned down, you know what tunes it back up, you know what reactivates it? Broccoli and all the cruciferous vegetables, they upgrade, they bring it back, they restore it. So I want you to understand when they, when they're saying, oh, you've got this mutation, that mutation. No, no, no, these aren't mutations. This is down regulation and upregulation. In other words, a gene gets silenced or it gets overexpressed. And that's why, and the reason the DNA is doing that, it's doing that in response to the microenvironment to survive right now at this moment in the micro environment. That's why you, you biopsy the tumor a month later, two months later, you might have it to come. No, now it's triple negative. It was triple positive. It's mutating. No, no, no, it's just, it's changing. It has, it has to turn this gene on and this gene off. So a mutation is down syndrome. Doesn't matter what you feed somebody with down syndrome, they still have down syndrome. It doesn't matter. So that's a mutation. So most of the things we're talking, I'm not saying mutations are involved in cancer, but I'm just saying most, it's overused word. Most of what's happened is an adaptive response, the genetic. So like you were just saying the tooth. By changing the tumor microenvironment, now oh, okay. Well, I don't need to down regulate this now. I need to turn this up and I need to turn this down. Right. And so if your genetic expression changes, the cell changes. Right. So that's the secret is changing that microenvironment.

Yeah. Okay. So again, to reiterate, if you are, if you are receiving a new diagnosis, the first thing that you should do, take a breath, take a pause, figure out what's right for you. A great place to start is to do this three week juice cleanse that we talked about in order to kind of reset, change the water in the aquarium, as you said, and allow your body the opportunity to start to heal. And almost everyone has that luxury. Right. It's very rare that you need to do something other than this immediately. Right. Wouldn't you?

100%. 100% and almost. And even if you have to do something else, like let's say, you know, the situations that I think are urgent are the tumor is about to impact a vital function like breathing or eating or bowel movements. Right. Or it's excruciatingly painful. Nothing can get, you know, or, you know, it's on a spinal cord or it's in the brain. You know, there are certain situations, but most of the time you have the luxury to do that. And once you do that, I just had a woman from. In Europe. Europe somewhere in Finland. So anywhere. So she was saying that she was, she did all this, it put their call immunotherapy. So nothing worked. So she said, I'm going to try fasting. She did a three week or four week water fast, not just juice water. And she said the tumor shrunk in half. It's no, it was no longer an urgent situation. And yeah.

You have the capability of surviving for weeks without water, without food. Water you need for sure. Water you need.

Right.

But a cancer cell which is so dysregulated, that does not have that same luxury. Right. That cancer cell is dependent on a constant supply of energy. So if you're not, if you're not getting that cancer cell, that constant supply of energy that it needs, then it's not going to have the ability to progress. And in fact, it's more than likely going to regress, especially if what you're doing is health promoting. Right, right. And this applies to not only people with primary cancers, but people with metastatic cancers. Because we have a lot of questions coming in. Well, what if I have metastatic cancer? What if I have metastatic cancer from the start? This still applies to you, unless you have an impending, like again, excruciating spinal cord pain or brain herniation or something that is like an impending emergency, there is no reason why you can't do the same thing, take the same pause, take the same approach. Once you decide that you want to live and that really needs to be your first commitment, you have to decide that you want to live and that you're going to do the things that promote life. Because many of the things that people do on a regular basis do not promote life. And I will refer to one of the people that I know that you worked for. Right. You worked for Dr. Atkins.

Yes. Look at him. Look what happened to him. He just fell on the street.

Yeah. So, you know, I have so many people because I know that you promote a plant based diet like I promote a plant based diet. And there are so many people who come to me and say, my daughter's on the carnivore diet, has never felt better. People frequently ask me this and I say they may feel good in the short term because when you adopt that kind of diet, you eliminate other things. You eliminate sugar, you eliminate grains, you eliminate processed food, that kind of thing. Because if you're going to go on the carnivore diet, you are eliminating those things. But in the long term, can you talk about what happens to the body on the long term carnivore. Carnivore diet where I think what you will refer to as the corpse diet.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. You got it right. So the, you were right on there when you said that you start to feel better. So oftentimes, any mono diet, someone said, you know, I just ate bananas and I got better, I just ate walnuts. Because whenever, if you want a mono diet, it's not necessarily the thing that you are eating, it's all the stuff that you're not eating that is making you better. And the big thing with the, with what they call the carnivore diet, which is mislabeled, is that you're not eating carbs. Cooked carbs. Cooked carbs may be the most dangerous thing humans can eat. You should get your carbohydrates in plants by eating the plant in this natural form. But when you cook it, like for example, the farmer wants to take the pig and make a lot of money on it. Feed them cooked potatoes, baked potatoes, boiled potatoes. Then they'll get fat quickly. Right. And not so if they eat the raw potato. So something happens chemically in there. But the reason I don't call it because a carnivore has anyone ever been to. Well, you must have seen, on either YouTube or TV, you must have seen a lion or a cheetah grabbing, chasing an animal, grabbing its neck, breaking the neck and then eating it alive. That's the carnivore. So you're not picking up that chicken, ripping its head off and eating it alive. Don't call yourself carnival, okay? Now if you're eating what dogs eat, which is dead animals, corpses, I mean there's not an. I mean we don't want people that don't use the Fed. I'm not offended, I'm just calling it the corpse. So is there another name for it? Okay, it's not a corpse, it's a dead body. Okay? So anyway, I don't know how else to call it baby. So it's a, it's a scavenger diet. It's a dog diet. Now by the way, do you ever hear that expression healthy as a horse and sick as a dog? I wonder why? What do horses eat? What do dogs eat?

Oh my God, I never thought.

Anyway, yeah, yeah, so you know, so the dog food is, you know. And I'll tell you, if I was an alien and I came into this planet and I was going around, I went, I was, I got to report back to the mothership and tell them what, what speed these guys are with the two legs. So I want, I go to dinner, I go to the dinner table of every country in the world. I'm gonna have to report back during the canine species, their dog, there are their weird looking dogs because they're eating dog food. You see here in nature, the beauty of nature, because all animals are under the auspices, direction of instinct, which is the divine web that connects all creatures to God into the knowledge and wisdom and divinity of God. So therefore you cannot get a horse to eat dog food and you cannot get a dog to eat horse. They will die first. Where we eat anything a cockroach will eat, including the cockroach, you know, we're just like, you know, and so anyway, when you're eating an. Only an animal diet, you're not getting, I mean if you're eating only. And when we say animals, you're not, you're not eating what the carnivore eats because the lion is going to eat the liver, the ovaries, the kidneys to drink the blood, eat all the undigested vegetables in the small intestines, eat the heart, you know, and, and it's gonna, and it's. What if it saves something for the Vultures, what you and I call steak, because it's gonna get to the good stuff first. So. But all we eat is vulture food. We just. The muscle, that's all we eat. Now, that does not sustain life for us because it's lacking in so many nutrients. So, I mean, it doesn't have any phytonutrients and, you know. Yeah, well, if I was supposed to be vegan, why do I have to take B12? Well, how come you've got generational vegans in India who never heard of B12, huh? What does B12 come from? Oh, it comes from microorganisms. Oh, so not the. I mean, the cow doesn't make the B12 in his liver, right? In her liver. It's the microorganisms. Why do they have microorganisms in them? Because their face is in the dirt all day. Because they're not running around wiping everything off, and they're not afraid of being earthlings. So they're getting all these microorganisms that are producing B12 and it's being absorbed, okay? And so, in fact, we have some bacteria in our colons that produce cyanocobalamin, B12, but we can't absorb it. You can only absorb B12 in your ileum. So I think what happens is, if you are a vegan for long time, maybe a couple decades, that those organisms migrate north of the colon through the ileocecal valve into up to the ileum, ileums belong. So into the ileum. And then if those bacteria start producing the B12 there, it'll be absorbed. So. But it takes a long time. So in the meantime. Yes, in the meantime, when you first start out, you. You got to take B12, right? But listen, you're going to have the strength of a horse, you're going to have the strength of an elephant, of a hippo. That's, you know, so don't worry about not having energy, you know, so what else other.

What else other than B12 do people who are strictly plant based have to think about?

Well, really, you know, they talk about methionine, they talk about some of the amino acids, but it's just simply not true. If you're eating a well balanced. I mean, you're eating like. In other words, when you have a salad, you know, you put everything, broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, cabbage, bok choy, kale, avocado, celery, cucumber, carrot, beet sprouts, just everything. And then learn how to make like at least five or six Delicious dressings. Because it's all in the dressing, whether or not you're going to enjoy it that much and learn to enjoy it and learn to relish the taste of it. But you're going to be getting everything. So it's really only. It's only B12. Now the only thing that none of us get, and this really goes down to. I really liked your post the other day on estrogens. That was very good. The is iodine. Now, iodine, as you know, the purpose.

Well, you can get it if you eat sea vegetables.

If you what?

If you eat sea vegetables, Adequate iodine level.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the only people in the world are the Japanese and Koreans who eat traditional diets. Because the Average Japanese gets 13.8 milligrams of iodine a day from eating all the different sea vegetables. You're right. So like wakame, for example, that little square that's on top of your miso soup, put you little wakame. It can concentrate up to 30,000 times the amount of iodine in the water into the leaf. So you don't get it from the sea animals like shrimp and things like that. They can't do it. But these sea vegetables do. But you're right. So in the old days before we polluted the earth, there was a cycle where the iodine went up into the clouds and it rained all the way down to the goiter belt. Right? All the way, you know, in inland. And there was iodine. But now that's no longer happening. But. But that's why they had to put iodine in the salt. So the purpose of the thyroid is to deliver iodide. So iodine can either be as a single atom where it has a negative charge, or you can have two together where it's called molecular iodine. Okay. Now iodide is delivered. All cells have a thyroid receptor, so it's delivered there. And the iodide actually depolarizes the mitochondrial membrane and causes the mitochondria to start producing energy. So that's why it's related to energy. And energy is heat. So you can. The best way. That's why if I have a T4 and T3 that are normal, but I'm feeling sluggish, you got to do what's called an electron spectrum spectrometry of that to see what is that 3 and 4. Is that 3 and 4 iodines or is that 2 bromides and 1 fluoride and 1 fluoride? Because remember, iodine fluoride is a Major.

Problem in this country.

Right? And it's. It. And it sits on our. In our. On our. On our. On our thyroid, because it functions the same as iodine, chemically, it makes salts. So that's what iodine does. And by the way, the breasts and the thyroid are in the same meridian of the tooth meridian, the same meridian. And they are the two organs with the most powerful sodium iodide transporter system. So a pregnant woman is actually extracting more iodine from her blood than her thyroid gland is because of the sodium iodide transporter system. And that's because iodine is essential for the brain development. You know, that's why someone who's born with hypothyroid, they used to call them a cretin. Cretinism was that. So anyway, so iodine is really important for breast health. And the iodine, the I2, the reason you want to take Lugols is. Or iodarol, because they have I2 and they have both iodide and iodine, because the I2 is necessary in the conversion of estrone into estriol. And estriol is fundamentally an estrogen receptor, beta. A beta receptor agonist, mildly alpha, whereas estradiol and estrone are alpha. And it's the alpha one that causes the tumors to grow, and it's the beta one that makes them shrink, just like soy. Soy is a beta receptor agonist. You know, flax is. And in fact, they used to say, oh, don't have soy if you have breast cancer. And then I would sit there and say, well, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. For as long as they've been measuring, Japanese are living 10 years longer than everybody else, and they eat soy all day. So, huh, can that be right? And it turns out it's not right. Yes, it's a phytoestrogen, but it stimulates beta receptor, which shrinks tumors, and it's mildly stimulating the alpha. Which is great. Why? Because now nothing else can get on it. So it's almost like a tamoxifen. It's sitting there blocking it. But you have. But you got a major beta going on, so you're shrinking it. It's like, amazing. And who. This is, you know, God. So anyway, that's the story about iodine, thyroid and. And they're very. The breasts and the thyroid are like siblings.

They are, yeah. And we know that. I think the point that you made that is so misunderstood is that fluoride and bromide can replace iodide. And when that's happening, we have all of this thyroid dysfunction. And thyroid dysfunction is a huge, huge, huge issue in the United States. And it's also tied to breast cancer. When you look, when you do a Google search, you will read a number of papers that say that hypothyroidism is not related to breast cancer. And if that's what those researchers found, maybe that's true. But I can tell you, in my practice of 20 years of seeing thousands of women with breast cancer, the vast majority of them, their breast cancer diagnosis was predated by 10 years or more by a diagnosis of hypothyroidism. And probably most of it started out as iodine deficiency.

Absolutely. Whether it's Graves or Hashimoto's. You know, as you all know, Graves is hyper and Hashimoto's hypo, and they're both supposedly autoimmune. There's no such thing as autoimmune. The body is not stupid. God made it. It's not stupid. It's not gonna attack it. Oh, I made a mistake and I killed myself. You know, it's not like that. Okay. So if the immune system's doing something, it's because it's. It can see what we can't see. So it's after something. So anyway, when you have insufficient iodine, the immune system, your whole body is trying to adapt that, and you can. And let me give you one example. I had a woman up here in Northern Thailand who came in and she was, you know, anxious and blah, blah, blah. She was. She had Graves. And we figured. I, you know, did a couple tests on her. She. She had graves. I mean, and she had really high antibodies. And, you know her. It's really high. So it took 24 hours of 100 milligrams, three times a day, about iodine. That's a lot of iodine. Yeah. Okay. So 153 times a day took 24 hours. She was back to normal. Didn't need beta blockers. So she was back to normal. And so her thyroid function was normal. Because that amount of iodine will suppress thyroid function, however. And we had to adjust it throughout the years. However, it took three or four years for her antibodies to go away, because those antibodies were in response to the iodine deficiency, like you were saying.

Yeah, yeah. And it may not be that there's not iodine around, but if you have. But if you are inundated with fluoride, that will still happen.

Yep.

Right. And so the fluoride is pushed from when these kids are tiny little kids. Right. The dentists want to coat their mouths in fluoride. They want to give them fluoride toothpaste. Extra fluoride toothpaste is prescribed all the time for adults. And it's crazy.

Madness. It's like mercury. They would just like putting mercury in the mouth. It's crazy. So, yeah, I mean, you know, fluoride, my God. And then fluoride also goes and calcifies the pineal gland. It's bad, bad, bad, bad news. So. And it's an industrial waste product. That's what it is. So yeah. So by taking a lot of iodine, it's like the law of mass action. You're going to kick out the bromides, you're going to kick out the fluoride.

Yeah. I do want to talk about what the long term ramifications are of that carnivore diet because I don't think we summed it up and I know that everyone's so quick to voice concerns about the long term ramifications of a plant based diet. Right. Where am I getting my B12 from? Where am I getting my vitamin A from? Where am I getting my vitamin D from? And there, and there is this perception that a long term carnivore diet is healthy.

And.

In my opinion it's anything but. And I think that it leads to any number of disease states.

Right. Deficiencies. Because now you're depending on, you're depending on the. Now especially if you're grilling it and you've got, and you're not having it rare, but if you have it rare, which means it's still bleeding. So if you've got a bleeding corpse on your plate, then you're going to get the, you're going to get what was in the blood. So hopefully the animal had a pretty healthy diet. Now you'll notice, I want you to notice something. All you would be think you are carnivores. What do carnivores eat? They eat vegans. Why do they eat vegans? Because it's better quality flesh. They don't go eat another carnivore unless it's really hard up time. Okay. They eat vegans. Yeah. Zebras, wildebeest, that's what they eat. They know what they're doing. They're, they're trained by God to be real carnivores. And if you want to be a carnivore, you got to get the whole thing. You got to get the whole thing. Now the other thing the carnivores have is their livers are able to Take protein much better than we can and turn it into glucose. It's called gluconeogenesis. So a cat, which is an obligate carnivore, has to eat. Has to eat, okay. A dog doesn't. You can feed a dog its whole life on vegetables. It'll live a nice, like it's a, it's a scavenger, it's an omnivore. But a cat is an obligate. Now they have a very high strong ability to turn protein into sugar because you still need all, all mammals, we all need this. And you know, reptiles, we need the same things. We need carbs, we need all these proteins. We all need it. So they're just, they have a different, they're, they're serving a different purpose in this ecosystem system, the biosphere. They're serving a different purpose and their purpose is to keep the animal population down. And, but, but I'm saying they still turn it into it. So the long term effects are, you know, probably based on the quality of. Even if you ate grass fed. And by the way, why do you want to eat grass fed? Oh, that's right, because it's better quality. Huh? I got an idea. I want you to skip the middleman. Why don't you become grass fed anyway? You're going to be missing a lots of phytonutrients, vitamin C. You're going to get all sorts of potential deficiencies. I worked for Robert C. Atkins and I was a closet vegetarian. And he, he ate nothing, but it was just, it was like, you know, I couldn't even watch him eat. But he liked me. He liked me. He called me his heir apparent. He did only the only knew. But I watched him. I watched him three times fall on the ground. Atrial fibrillation, ventricular fib. He finally died. His heart just didn't work. And he was a young man and in the last three or four or five years of his life he couldn't fly because he couldn't get, you know, he didn't have a good life. And this guy, he ate the Atkins diet, right? The Athens was stolen from the British. The British knew it before Robert C. Atkins as the diet they gave to diabetics. Because if you give this to a diabetic, of course they're going to get better. And why will you feel better? Because if you are apostatarian or a, which a lot of people are, then you're, you've got all this. I mean, I don't know what's worse. Glucose or you've got a lot of glucose going on. So you don't feel good. You know, you don't feel good. So you stop eating that, you're going to feel fantastic and you're gonna say, yeah, this is for me, I never felt better. Yeah, you never felt better. You give it a few years and you're gonna have all these deficiencies. You're not going to get what you need with all sorts of nutrients and your.

And by the way, you're probably going to get heart disease and cancer. I think that the data is pretty clear that in the short term you may feel better as a result of taking sugar and processed food and that kind of thing out of your diet. But in the long term, as compared to someone who is whole food plant based, you are definitely going to have more heart disease, more cancer.

Absolutely. And both of the professional societies say it. American College of Cardiology will back that up. And American Society of Clinical Oncology will back that up. In fact, the American Cancer Society said there isn't a population in the world with a high meat intake that doesn't have a high incidence of colon cancer. That's almost a direct quote from them. So this is not just stuff we're making up. And there was another, it was an interesting study. You know, the only people that do studies that are big studies are the Seventh Day Adventist because they're the vegetarians. And this was very. And they do, they do studies with, you know, longitudinal studies with like 2000-003000-00400,000 people. So they're good sized studies. And what's really weird is I've gone to Loma Linda, I've gone to their cafeteria and it's junk vegetarian food. It's, you know, pizza with cheese. And it's not healthy vegetarian food. It's, you know, they forgot that vegetarian has the root vegetable. But anyway, so yeah, so, but what did they find? All cause mortality decreased in every category. Heart cancer, stroke, everything. Even though they're eating junk vegetarian food, but they're not eating the meat.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing because it, when, when I talk about the diet, I talk about being whole food plant based. Because Twizzlers are vegan. There's plenty of junk food that's vegan. You can live on pasta and call yourself a vegan. You're going to be extremely malnourished, you're not going to function optimally. But that's why I kind of stay away from that term. Because you're talking more about like politics or, you know, it's more preachy than it is advocating for a healthy diet. So what we are talking about is whole food plant based.

Exactly.

I know you don't have much time left, so I want to make sure that we talk about. Someone asked what are your feelings about low dose tamoxifen? I know that my. I know my feelings, but I'd love to hear yours.

Okay, all right, just real quickly everybody go online later. Look up a guy named Fred Bisci. B I S C C I. Okay? He was my mentor. Okay. He was a bodybuilder, ate five steaks a day at age 40, got a PhD in nutrition, became a raw vegan at age 40. He's now 92. So he's been doing it any. He doesn't cheat. He's 50. 52 years of raw vegan. Check him out and listen to his mind. The guy's as Sharp as any 20 year old. He's sharp. Then there's another lady, Donna Peroni in New York, she's been 50 years. And then there's other lady, this, this old, this older woman, she's like 80, she looks 40. So what are the long terms of consequences of eating right? Health and longevity. Okay, so the tamoxifen, you know it's. First of all it's an eyes. I have to learn that it's not necessary. You get this, like I mentioned, you get this. You get the same, you get the same thing that you're looking for with, with, with, with soy, the soy phytoestrogens, flax. You can getting mild alpha, alpha agonist, mild but it's overridden by the beta. But now the alpha is blocked just like tamoxifen blocks it. But you don't get the side effects, you know. And tamoxifen is also, there's a trade off. You're trading it off for another maybe a uterine cancer 10 years later, five years later. So you know, you don't ever need.

It and it's synthetic. And if you believe that estrogen causes breast cancer, then know that tamoxifen is a synthetic estrogen. So you're not taking the compound, the hormone that belongs in your body. In fact, you're giving yourself a synthetic form that doesn't belong in your body and is bringing with it more problems than it, than it solves. So that's my feeling about tamoxifen. What about your feeling about the aromatase inhibitors?

Yeah, well that, that's an interesting question. And I'm because, because we know that like in postmenopausal Women, we know that their, their adrenal glands aren't really making a lot of estrogens. They're making mostly androgens. So. And it's the aromatase. It's the aromatase in fatty tissue, mostly, that is able to convert it into estrogens. So breasts have fat. And so they find in some of these women that they actually have higher estrogen levels in their breasts than they do in their blood because they're, they're able to convert it. So, you know, in, in, in that case, it'd be great if you can do it. But dim, you know, dim will do it. Diamond methane, which, which comes from eating cruciferous vegetables. There's way to get these things naturally. But, you know, and then there are some people that. What I've done is initially, I put them on like a half a milligram of Arimidex three or four times a week and that. Or maybe one milligram twice a week, just enough to just block it a little bit if they're postmenopausal and things like that, until they get their diet worked out and all, you know, and all that. Once you have a lot of cruciferous vegetables. Because remember, what we make is called when we chew it and all that, and then we swallow, we have isophylcyanates. When they get into the acidity of our stomach, they turn into diindomethane. And diurnal methane, we know, is an aromatase inhibitor. Right. So, you know, and there are other natural ones, too. What's the one they use for prostates as well?

Well, saw palmetto. But what you. But the other thing that you're referring to is that we can get a lot of these aromatase inhibitors from nature, like from mushrooms and onions and garlic and the allium family. And so if you are of normal weight, I mean, I can almost promise you that it's not the estrogen in your body that is causing any dysfunction. And we really need to be looking in other areas. And if you are on the proper diet, moving your body, sleeping, and including these foods and nutrients in your diet that will optimize that microenvironment that we were talking about. You don't need those things that, you know, Aromatase inhibitors don't come at no cost. Right. They are accelerating heart disease, they're accelerating bone loss, they're accelerating dementia, Alzheimer's, depression, anxiety. I mean, this is not nothing.

Right? Right. And all drugs have, what's called an LD50 is a lethal dose at which 50% of the people Die. Okay? So remember that. And they have to have that. They have to know the LD50 in order to get it approved. So yeah. And you know, and what you're saying is exactly right on. And so you know, and here's the thing, what we're talking about really is restoring balance. Right. Because it's not that estrogen is bad. And what would be good? I don't know, whatever they think is good. The first part of the cycle, estrogen, second part, progesterone. It was made that way. Yin yang. It's gotta be that way. And you'll notice they never make a big deal over progesterone receptor positive. Why they don't have a drug otherwise if they had a drug, they'd make a big deal about PR positive. But they don't. They do HER2 and they do ER positive because they've got drugs. It's a sales algorithm.

And we should say that people who say but I have a tumor that's driven by estrogen and progesterone. You should all know that normal breast cells have both estrogen and progesterone receptors on them. They're supposed to. That is normal. That is normal.

Right? Right. So ovaries tubes, fallopian tubes, vagina, even your hips by the way with lot of people don't realize is the estrogen receptors on lungs, pancreas, colon, bladder. Right. And prostate. And so even men with the men who got prostate cancer they need to have. If you've got a husband that has a prostate, has problem with that, he's got ER beta too. So he needs to eat as much soy as you do so to get to keep his prostate down. Right. So it's good. And it turns out it's associated with colon cancer. And they don't always. Sometimes they'll look for the epidermal growth factor HER2 in colon cancer, but not always. But they're really focused on breast because they got these drugs and they know it's a big seller. And they also know that somehow I don't know how. We don't know how. We're going to only speculate. Breast cancer became such a big deal worldwide, even indigenous cultures are now. So are now getting it which is supposed to be a lifestyle cancer rather than an infectious cancer. But even they're getting it now. So you got to figure out what are we doing to them? Why is it so big? So we gotta be the bottom line is restore balance, clean out and then eat food that God nature produced. Right. Don't eat remember anything that we get our hands on becomes, goes into the artificial column. It's artificial, okay. What God made is natural. And the good thing about nature, it doesn't make garbage, it doesn't make trash. Right. One animal's excrement is another animal's nourishment. There's no, there's no trash. We make trash. Tons of it. We're good at it because it's our artifacts. So when we take a tomato and we turn into tomato sauce, we destroyed it. We destroyed what nature gave us. Nature gave us all of the nutrients in a synergistically combination that we couldn't comprehend. And here we're saying, well, you know, if you just boil it longer, you'll have more lycopene. Yeah, but there's no lycopene trees, you know, so, you know, I don't think we just need lycopene. We need the whole thing that the tomato has. So I'm like you said, plant based whole food. And by the way, how many vitamins do you find in steak? You don't. Except the B12 from the blood.

Oh my God. I'm just drawing a blank. So when you have, when you, when you talk about restoring balance, cleaning out, eat food that nature produced, go to sleep early. Are there any other, other things that people should be thinking about before they have to, before kind of getting into all of the pressure of this is, this is what you have to do. Right. What other things can people do on their own? Oh, and I do. There is a question here about do you eat any cooked food or is everything you eat raw? And I wanted to know that too.

Yeah, no, no. I was 100% raw for only about four or five years when I was in New York. And it's like, it's like, you know, we're addicts. You know, you don't have one. Right. You know, like a cigarette smoker knows if they quit, don't have that first puff. Anyway. So I would say I'm 80, 20 now. I'm really happy when I go back to LA, back to US. I'm at Oasis and I have a raw kitchen again. I then I go 100. I just feel so, so amazingly good. But yeah, yeah. And the degree to which I don't feel good, I don't have energy I can attribute to eating a thermally denatured food, which also known as cooking. But the other thing that we can do and that we have to do and that it's really overlooked is, has to do with movement. There's a Lot of really good, interesting studies coming out about exercise and some of the myokines that are produced that they can actually slow down and stop cancers. They stimulate mitochondria. They stimulate mitochondria and remember, cancer is a mitochondrial problem. They stimulate mitochondria and they even are now looking at the longevity prognosis with a cancer diagnosis can be. One way to determine is grip strength. Grip strength, girth of your gastrocnemius. So and you get these by, by recruiting the type 2 muscle fibers, which means you like for example, if you had a little stool and you get with one leg and you step up on it slowly, right? You're putting all of your weight on your thigh, right? And your glutes. And then when you get up, then you get all the way up, then go down slowly and it's that return, slowly return, which is a different kind of movement that really will recruit these type 2 muscle fibers that will give girth to your muscles and give you strength. So really like we have a guy with kinesiologists at our center and we, one of our big goals is to get people's grip strength up before they leave. I had a lady leave yesterday who's, I think she's, she went up 5.7 up from 2 something. So, yeah, very, very important. So movement. And here's the thing about movement. You know, sitting at a desk for eight hours and then going to a gym and freaking out for two hours, both are as equally as unnatural. So set a little alarm clock. No matter what your job is, every 90 minutes you get up, go outside and take 10 minutes and get out of breath. Do a bunch of jumping jacks, push ups, crawl on all fours, not your knees, all fours, crawl forward five times five, five times forward five times five. Just do all that. Get out of breath and come back and sit down. Just 10 minutes. It makes it easy. That's very important. And then the big one, the big one is this, the muscles. Don't forget that. Imagine if you were just the torso, what you wouldn't get to be able to get up and walk. So now the other thing is this. The, the immune system is kind of the shadow of the mind. So if you're, if you got really bad news, you're afraid, angry, sad, regretful, your immune system is going to be low. And if you're happy, it's the opposite. The problem is that what we know as psychology from psychology is that 80% of human thinking is negative and 90% is subconscious. Meaning we don't know what our internal dialogue is. So you can just now, with that information, you can assume that as long as you're thinking, you've got your foot on the brakes of the immune system. And we know that because when we do studies with catheters in people's arms, checking their blood, the minute they go into a no thinking condition of meditation, their natural killer cells, their gamma interferon, all of it increases just by turning off the mind. So it's not easy to do because you know, you know, because thinking is not voluntary. It's a. It's a happening, just like your heart is a happening. So the only way to. The best way to do it is treat it like a muscle. Just five times a day for two minutes, sit down, and if you pray to God, make you make a little prayer, and then sit back and for two minutes, listen to your breathing, your deep breathing, because that's where God says it's your breath. And, and just listen to it. And you'll. You won't last more than five seconds. And then you'll be off in the other room quickly. When you come back down, try. And it's only two minutes. You can do two minutes five times a day, do that. And after a month, you're gonna develop that little mind muscle to shut up off the mad person inside of you. So very, very, very important. And one real quick one, what we have here in Thailand, I can. I can take someone's blood out, spin, send it to a lab, they spin out the natural killer cells, and we measure the gamma interferon. And if it's below 200, they're in trouble. If it's above 500, they're okay. So if it's below 200, then we give them some more. Then they, what they do is they put them in a dish, they activate them with IL2 and IL12, get them activated, put them in a growth medium, expand them out, and then we give the person back 10 billion of their own activated natural killer cells like every week. All right? Now, if they're afraid, angry, got a terrible relationship. Within 24 hours, those cells are inactivated again. That's how powerful the mind is. You cannot underestimate it and you cannot neglect it, okay? Because.

About growth, right? What you think about growth. So you need to be so intentional about what you want to grow.

Exactly.

We did have a question come through. What about fruit? What's your feeling about fruit?

Oh, my gosh, that's the hardest thing in the world for me. Fruit. I think, I think we're frugivores. It's our natural diet, you know, not exclusively, but I mean it's, you know.

Well, it's part of a different behavior. Right. I mean, part of survival was to be able to withstand the times of scarcity and be able to store fat efficiently when we had times of abundance. And summers with fruit were times of abundance. So the reason that it's so sweet, it's so that it tastes so good, so that we are driven to eat it and eat a lot of it. Right, right. It's kind of innately built into us to over eat things that are sweet.

Right, right. Yeah, but. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And you know, I'm over here, I'm lucky. Lucky enough, fortunate enough, blessed enough that I get to eat fruits that are not, that are not hybrids. So we got these little bananas. They're real little guys and they have seeds. I never ate a banana with a seed in America. All I have are these foot long Chiquita bananas. But anyway, so fruit is a combination of fructose and glucose. So the difference between those two in terms of cancer is this glucose stimulates the pancreas to produce insulin. And cancer cells have like many, many, many more insulin receptors. So they grab it quickly. Fructose does not. So the more fructose you have, the fructose? Yes. Cancer cells can eat fructose. On the GLUT5 receptor is specifically for fructose. Okay. So it can ease fructose. However, it doesn't stimulate insulin, so therefore it doesn't preferentially feed cancer. So if the cancer is eating at the same rate as the rest of the cells, for the cancer cell, that's a relative starvation because it needs 19 times more glucose because it's 19 times less efficient at energy production. So therefore, fruit I wouldn't eat, I would stay away from dried fruits and you know, like dates and figs and things like that. I wouldn't eat bananas once in a while, no big deal. But eat most of the low glycemic ones. And when you eat fruit, always eat it alone, never eat it with anything else. It's not an appetizer or dessert, it's a meal. If you eat it with anything else, it will get delayed and it'll start to ferment. So you don't want that to happen and you'll digest it more easily. Fruit is readily digestible and especially if you're enjoying it relatively every time you enjoy something, you just had an immune boost. That's why sex is good. Have sex, enjoy sex. Orgasm, Fantastic. You know For a man to keep his prostate healthy, for all you women who have husbands or boyfriends, he has to ejaculate 18 times a month minimum. So.

Oh, don't tell my husband.

Yeah, he's good. Well, you know, give him the magazine. Give him a magazine sometimes. But you know, it's got, it's, it just keeps. Because you don't think about it. I think the benign prostatic hypertrophy, the large prostate that men get older, men get, part of it is just congestion because it's not being emptied. It's just a boo boo.

Yeah, it's underused. It's true. It's absolutely true. And you know, you make an excellent point that actually has a lot of pertinence in this group because sex is a driven behavior. It is, you know, the way to get vitamin O, which is our oxytocin. It's our like joy hormone. It's what we're filled with when we hug our children and kiss our spouse and with orgasm. And I think the conventional medical treatment for breast cancer is so it's the antithesis of having a healthy sexual relationship because most of it does everything it can do to wipe out your sex hormones. Without sex hormones, people really struggle with libido, with mood, with sleep, with vaginal dryness, with patients, with urination, basically with everything. And it's really hard to have a healthy sexual relationship when you have no desire, when you have discomfort, you have dread. And so we really, and we have completely ignored that and ignored its importance.

100% agree. Because you know what? When I, you know, I used to practice psychology before medical school, so when I look, look what happens to elderly people. There's a couple, there's, there's two major events that happen to elderly people that I think it precipitates their decline. Major, major decline. One is retirement because you lose your identity that you've developed over the years. And this identity, you as whatever you were, whatever you did, that's gone now. Your hormones are going down now you lose your sexuality, your sexual identity. These are major, major aspects of who you are as a man, or what you're, you're a beautiful, sexy woman or a sexy woman or whatever, or you're a good looking guy or that is part of who you are or just. And sex is part of it. So just in terms of psychologically, it's very important, you know, for, I mean, I can tell you, I can't tell you what it would be like to be inside of a woman's body, but I can tell you inside of a man's body. That sex, you know, healthy sex, just makes everything inside my psyche better. I feel better about me, about the world. I. It's just, it's kind of like, I don't know, it's kind of like putting your feet on the ground or something. But it's something so primal and natural. Remember, biological organisms were really designed to do two things. Extract energy from the environment and make babies. So eat and drink. You know, we do a few more things, we do a few other things. But I'm just saying it's really, really important. So keep doing it. By the way, the Hunzas, the women are delivering children at 65 and, and the men can still get women pregnant at 110. So I think what we have here is a very accelerated premature aging program.

We do and we see it, right? I mean, you know, we may have some degree of longevity in this country, but think about what people's last 10, 15, 20 years of their life are like, right? Yeah, they're basically. They're discarded, right? They're discarded from their jobs. You called it retirement. But really what happens is that they're discarded from their jobs so they no longer have a purpose and a place in society. And then because of the way that most of us live our lives, rushing from one thing to another, eating a diet of convenience, not moving our bodies, not resting on nurturing our minds and our thoughts, living with toxic thoughts and toxic guilt in a sea of toxic soup. And then the last 10, 15, 20 years of our lives are spent in and out of a revolving door of a hospital, going from one medicine to another medicine to another procedure to another medicine to another procedure. And we are not. We may be living long, but we're for sure not living well.

Exactly. And in the end, we get swallowed up by machines in an ICU. When I go into ICUs and I look at them and I see the people, they're literally being swallowed, eaten by machines. It hurts me so much to see that. And I kind of look at the person and I want to ask them, but I don't. I would never say such of thing. But my question would be, was it worth it? Was it worth it? Was that cheeseburger? Was that staying up late? You know. You know, here it's not that we have to stop having fun. It's not that you can't go out and dance on Saturday night, do that, do that and love it. But it's what we do most of the time that will define our overall physiology. So Normally go to bed early. Normally give yourself a blow a day. You know, do that. Do that and enjoy it. And don't feel guilty about it, because it's good for it. It's. It's. You know, what we. What I call that and what I call meditation is psychoneuroimmunology. And that's exactly what it is. Psychoneuroimmunology.

Yeah. And I love what you said. If you don't have to be perfect, it's what you do most that matters.

Yes, exactly. Exactly. So go out and party.

I think that's a great place to end for today and let you get to your beautiful day.

Thank you. I would say I can't thank you.

Enough for being here. Yeah. Someday, I promise I'll come visit someday.

Okay. Okay. Bring your husband and his prostate.

I sure will. And we will do this again real soon because we had a ton of questions and a ton of interaction and response, and I know people really loved this. I'm going to post it on my Instagram. It's going to post on your Instagram. I'm also going to post it on my YouTube channel. So if you're not following my YouTube channel channel, please do Dr. Jen Simmons, I think I'm Dr. Jen Simmons everywhere. And I will have you on the podcast real soon. We'll get you scheduled for the keeping Abreast with Dr. Jen podcast. If you're not part of my Facebook group and you didn't get your questions answered today, please join my Facebook group, keeping abreast with Dr. Jen, and I will be sure if you don't like my answer. I. I will get you the answer from Dr. Lode.

I love it. Please. I enjoyed it so much. I love talking to you and I love your questions. I love your knowledge. I mean, it's amazing to talk to someone who gets it, knows what I know. So I just. Beautiful. Thank you. Thank you.

I listen to you endlessly. So any opportunity that I get to hear you share your life experience and your perspective, which is so unique and amazing and no one walked your walk, so there's really no one else like you. And I'm just so grateful to have access to you.

Well, thank you. And likewise. Absolutely. I really mean it.

All right, everyone, like Dr. Lode said, it's time to get to bed early.

Yeah.

Until next time, it's Dr. Jen. Bye for now.