#262 When God Didn't Protect Me: Reclaiming Faith After Breast Cancer

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When I got that phone call, I was really mad.

So you felt like God betrayed you, essentially?

And it shifted my perspective.

So why do you think you got breast cancer?

Oh, that is the $10 million question.

Welcome back to the Fast to Faith podcast. I know we've been on a break for a minute, but I'm really excited to be back with new topics, new information, new experts, and a renewed passion for bringing you the truth when it comes to women's health. So here's the deal, you guys. I have been working diligently on bringing you a faith-based summit for midlife, and we are in the works for an in-person retreat where you can come and work with me and some other incredible women. So we're going to talk about that in a little bit, so stay with us. And remember the beauty of the podcast— you can push pause and come back to it. You can listen to a podcast from 3 years ago. Like, I love podcasts for that reason. So listen to the whole thing. If you have to pause and come back, I totally understand. But I want to introduce you to a really sweet friend of mine that I have come to know over this past year. Her name is Deborah Enos. Welcome, Deborah. How are you?

Oh, I am so good. And it's wonderful to see you. And I just, I, I love your book. And I love that I'm a big Audible fan. So I love that you were reading it on Audible. And I'm sure it was a lot of work.

Oh my gosh. Thank you for acknowledging that because it was, they told me it should take about 4 weeks and it took almost 9 weeks because my house is always noisy. There is always Something going on.

So 9 weeks. Wow. That's, that's committed right there, honey.

Yes, it was a long process. So I'm glad you enjoyed it. And yes, my book is available on Audible. I love books on Audible because I do too. My dog a lot, and I am like outdoors walking, riding my bike, weeding the garden. You can listen to stuff through all that, right?

I feel like I'd never get through a book if I didn't have Audible, and I'm a voracious reader. And my husband said the other day, Does it still count as reading if it's on Audible? I said, absolutely. Of course it does.

Oh my goodness. Okay, well, I just want to tell my ladies about you really quickly because you have a really awesome story. You are a certified nutritionist, nationally recognized health living expert, and breast cancer thriver. So you may have seen her, ladies, on Q13 Fox News, NBC, or NewsNation, or even as the One Minute Wellness Coach on The Doctors TV show. She's also a regular contributor to the Costco Connection magazine. But after decades of living a healthy lifestyle, Deborah was shocked by a breast cancer diagnosis in 2020. So this experience led her to launch her powerful podcast, Why Did I Get Cancer? And it's helping women be educated and protecting others Because she was just in shock. So she's going to talk about that a little bit. And she has this background in health science, exercise science, and nutrition, but she needed to understand, like, what was the missing piece? So she blends her personal experience and faith in such a beautiful way. So I know you're going to be inspired and you're going to have some tools to really tackle what it means to live well and thrive. So welcome, Debra. I'm so excited for this conversation.

Oh, thank you. I'm I'm so excited for it too. And yes, I'm coming up on my 5-year anniversary of getting that phone call. And I just, in looking back, I just think, oh my gosh, that went so fast. And yet it went so slow.

Yes. So you were living your best life. Like life was good. You were doing all the things. You were super healthy.

What the heck? Super healthy, eating organic, doing, you know, hot yoga, running half marathons, going to church every Sunday, you know, ladies' Bible study. I was doing all of the things. And I was having a great life, you know, great relationships, wonderful community, giving back to my community. And so when I got that phone call, I was, I was really mad, to be honest. I was, I was furious. It's the most angry I have ever been. Wow.

Okay. So what was going through your head?

Well, I was thinking, okay, God, look at all the things I'm doing for you. I'm giving back to my community. I'm volunteering. I'm tithing. I'm all of these things. And when all my friends are ordering Margaritas and hot dogs. I'm getting the organic chicken salad. So what happened? What happened here? What did I miss? So not only was I mad at God for not protecting me, I was also mad at myself, thinking two things: one, what did I miss? And two, you know, why did I? Why was I so healthy my whole life if it just you know? When I turned 55, I got cancer. Why not just go ahead and eat the hot dog?

Oh, wow. So you felt like God betrayed you, essentially?

I did. I felt like God didn't protect me. And I felt like my body betrayed me. And I think about the 5 half marathons, the— I was a collegiate athlete. I have been athletic my entire life and taken Really good care of myself. You know, even doing things like acupuncture and massage at in my twenties, like knowing that was so important to continue to do self-care even when you know you're twenty-five and you're you know you're doing other things. But I would go home early, go to bed. You know, like I was taking care of myself. So what could have possibly happened? And but I think. Out of all of those feelings, probably the most heartbreaking was feeling like God wasn't for me.

Yeah. So obviously you sat in that for a minute, but then what happened? Because you are not bitter. You have pivoted big time. You've turned this pain into purpose.

So what happened? Well, I went about— I got my diagnosis. And it took a couple of weeks of just going to all the oncology appointments. I felt like 3 days a week I was at the cancer center. And it took a couple weeks for them just to tell me, oh, by the way, women don't die from the type of cancer you have. And I thought, you couldn't have told me that 2 weeks ago when I came in?

Right.

Like, just a deer in the headlights. So that two weeks of just, you know, am I going to have to do chemo, radiation, combination? Could I die? Like I love my life. Really, I'm you know. I was so mad at the Lord, and after a few days of that, I realized I was so heartbroken, and I wasn't heartbroken by the diagnosis. I was heartbroken because I. I gave up my relationship with him. And I'm not saying I didn't believe in him anymore. I was just really mad at God. And so I just said, I'm not going to talk to you for a little while. I'm not going to talk to you right now. I'm so mad at you that you didn't protect me. And I remember just being on my knees one day. And I was like, Lord, I'm sorry, I'm back. And he said, I've never left. I've never, I've never left. I'm here. And that That's what got me through is knowing like, I can leave and I can leave and I can be really mad, but he can take it.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

And it shifted my focus. And instead of going to the cancer center and being really angry when I'd walk through those big double doors, and it was also during COVID So a lot of the time I was by myself and I'd my husband couldn't go, or my mom, or— and I'd be there by myself. And instead of like looking around the room with these angry eyes, I started to really soften at that point. And I'd see these precious women coming in with, you know, they're bald, they've been going through chemo, they've got hats on and wigs. And I just started praying for them.

Hmm.

I wouldn't necessarily go over to them and talk to them, but I would just be standing in line waiting to check in. And I'd see a woman walk in and I would just start praying for her. And it shifted my perspective. And that's what changed my mindset to get through the next 5 surgeries. Wow.

Okay. I love that. And I think that's because you invited God back into your life and he softened your heart, right?

He did. He softened my heart and my, it changed my perspective. And it really, that was when everything changed. And I feel like that's why I'm thriving today. And even my oncologist, they would say, wow, you've got the best attitude of anybody, you know, we've seen. And I thought, well, let's go back to that first day when I was so angry and so bitter and so mad. But things did shift. And all of a sudden, I was just gentle and generous, but focused.

Yeah, and I, I'm so glad that you're sharing this because God can handle all our feelings. He already knows them. We can't hide anything from him.

None of it is a surprise. It's not like he's up there saying, oh my gosh, I can't believe she got diagnosed with cancer. Like, he's— it's not a surprise to him, right?

Or that you're angry at him. So, yes. So why do you think you got breast cancer?

Oh, that is the $10 million question. I did everything right when it comes to physical self-care. Let's just say I did 90% right. I was a very early adopter into not using deodorants with a lot of toxic ingredients. I mean, for years, I just would like use coconut oil and other things just I knew the risks. Ate well, non-GMO, organic, homemade meals. But there's a couple things. One, I had a lot of early toxin exposure growing up on a farm in the '70s and '80s. And I never really understood that aspect of the, you know, that we'd have crop dusters come through and you had to stay inside for 15 minutes until all the chemicals went away. Really? 15 minutes, right?

They don't actually go away.

They never go away. So then we'd go back outside and play in the dirt and all of those things. Um, that was the era of, you know, farmers being told Roundup is fine. It's going to increase your yields and it's— there's no harm to animals or people or environment. And, you know, everything's going to be fine. Use all of these chemicals. I mean, at that point, you know, mid to late '70s, early '80s, farming was very chemically based, at least where I lived. And I'm sure it was like that throughout our country because again, it was the marketing. It's not easy being a farmer. You don't make a lot of money. It's a lot. It's a 7-day, 7 days a week job. And so you'll do anything to increase your yields, especially if you know it's not going to harm anybody.

Right.

And, you know, people were told, told a story. Yeah.

Yeah. And I want women listening to really understand the gravity of it because, you know, we flippantly say like Roundup is killing us or, you know, it's destroying our food. But these organophosphates, they are forever chemicals. They are not leaving our body once they are in. And they are so destructive. Like, it boggles my mind that we think Yeah, we're just trying to kill the tiny little insects with this stuff, um, but it's not actually gonna kill our cells inside of us. It's like the lies that we tell ourselves to be okay with it, you know? And you're right, like, the farmers didn't know. They're trying to make a living. They're trying to get more crops and not have their crops destroyed by insects and things. And so— It's like we can't even blame anybody at this point except, you know, the higher-ups. But I tell you, the worst cancers, especially like brain cancers and muscle cancers and all of these uncommon cancers that I've seen, they all came from the farmland. People, yeah, up on a farm.

So yeah, and think about those farm workers, which, you know, I was a farm worker, so think about that. I mean, there's an area very South of the Mississippi, and I think they call it Cancer Alley because it's where all of the chemicals go to die. And unfortunately, they're killing the environment and animals that have been there for you know years and years, and people. So that that was one piece is I never really understood toxins, and it wasn't really let's be honest, it wasn't really talked about until probably five to eight years ago. There were a few Outliers who started talking about talks. Now we're talking about it a lot, which I'm so grateful for. And then the other piece I would say was in my thought life is that I really struggled with forgiveness. I struggled to forgive people and situations and many other things. And I was somebody who would ruminate. And what I mean by that is I would play the negativity, even though I'm a very positive person, I would play the negativity. I'd rehearse it over and over. Well, I should have done that, or I could have done that differently, or, oh, I'm so, you know, upset with this person and what they said. But I didn't have the boundaries to say, hey, you hurt my feelings. Hey, this is what happened. Did you mean to make it sound like that? So I didn't have the the ability at that time in my life to really say, hey, here's my boundary. Here's how this is going to work for me. And if it doesn't work for you, that's fine. But just so you know, I'm moving you from my inner circle to an outer circle because this isn't working for me. So I didn't have a voice to be able to do that. And I, I really believe that when we struggle with forgiveness, which is such a gift from God that we can forgive others, As he has forgiven us, it's such a gift. But when we struggle with it, that lack of forgiveness has to go someplace. And for me, it really impacted my health.

Yeah. Oh my goodness! I hope I hope this is hitting home for some women because this is the truth right here. You know, and you can see the work of Dr. Gabor Mate and Dr. Amy Apigian and other leaders. in the field of trauma biology. Like, our body keeps the score. It is holding that unforgiveness.

Our body keeps the score in our body, and it is destroying our cells.

Our cells are listening to everything we believe, everything we think, and they're responding, aren't they?

They are. And research also shows that— let's just— I'll just use myself as an example. Let's say I, you know, Yesterday, I had an email issue with one of my employees, and it really got bad. Blah blah blah blah blah. Then I go to bed last night, and I'm rereading the email. I'm rethinking about the email. I'm thinking about how you know she could have handled it. I could have handled it. So then an hour later, I'm still ruminating on this email. Well, the body doesn't realize wow this happened. 8 hours ago, or wow, this happened 8 years ago, your body still has the same response to it. Because it's like I'm sitting down, I popped a DVD in, I popped some popcorn, and now I'm just going to watch this DVD all over again of some sort of work trauma, or, you know, divorce trauma, or whatever it is. Your body doesn't know that it happened 10 years ago.

Right. You still create all of those same chemicals. I know I say to women, think about a time when you were super angry, like you were in a heated argument, maybe with your spouse or your sibling. And if you start to think about that and the details of that conversation, your body will create all those original chemicals of epinephrine, all those endorphins, and all that cortisol, which is so destructive to us.

So destructive.

Your body has the same response, whether it was 5 minutes ago or 5 years ago or 50 years ago. And that will create destruction and disease.

Yes, yes, yes. It absolutely is the truth. And so I had to learn to stop that. I had to learn to think— actually, not even think differently when I got into bed, just stop thinking. And I had to figure out how to forgive some really old stuff. And some really fresh stuff. And I, the way I forgive, because you know forgiveness is a gift to yourself. But sometimes just saying the words, "I forgive Dr. Tabatha for blah blah blah." I forgive my husband. But you have to forgive and you have to release. And so the way I do it now is when I go to the gym and I'm lifting weights and the class is really loud and nobody can hear me, I'll get going and I'll say, "Okay, God." Who do I need to forgive today? And a picture will come to mind, and maybe I'm you know bench pressing, and I'll say, "I forgive you so and so," and I I release spirit. I forgive, and I release, and that has made all the difference for me. And then I have this physical aspect of forgiveness because I'm exercising, and I'll tell you, I leave the gym and. It's the best I've ever felt.

I love that so much. I, I've had that similar situation recently because I've— I feel like I've worked so much on my forgiveness. And, um, most recently just with my ex-husband and, you know, being betrayed and all of these— lied to and all of these things. And it's like I felt so at peace with that forgiveness. And God said to me, you still have unforgiveness in your heart. And I was like searching and searching. I'm like, no, I really am at peace. He's like, it's not about him, it's about, um, 5 years ago when this happened with your job and not— and with church. And, and I was just stunned. Like, I thought I moved past that, but I hadn't released it.

Right.

And it was me talking to God, asking Him to reveal that to me. And so I went through a few days of feeling all the feelings, all the anger, all this stuff came back, and then I was finally able to release it. And I was so grateful because you can feel disease starting to develop in your body. People will get sick.

Yes.

They will be, you know, just have this chronic fatigue or malaise that doesn't make any sense, and they're like, I just don't want to do life anymore. And it's like, That is the bitterness. It is. It is.

It's that bitter root that is taking hold. And you, you mentioned gardening, and you don't just go through and you just don't clip the weeds. You gotta pull them out or it's gonna leave a mark. And I, I can look back in my life and see where I just clipped bitterness and I just clipped anger, but I didn't really eradicate it. And God wants to eradicate it out of my life so I can live with full joy, full generosity, and just love so I can love people.

Yeah. Oh my goodness. So I'm assuming over the past 5 years with your podcast and just being on this quest that you have learned some tools. and some ways to navigate all of this and really to empower women, right?

Absolutely. Yes. Yes. It has been quite a journey. And I would say 2 things really come to mind. We've talked about the forgiveness piece, but just to kind of finish that off, forgiveness is a— it's a daily task. It's like brushing your teeth. And it could be a little thing, it could be a big thing, and it could be something from 30 years ago. You could, you could search your mind of, you know, gosh, who do I need to forgive? Or you could just go to the source and say, God, who do I or what do I need to forgive today? And it might be yourself for making decisions when you were 30 that You know, weren't his best, but they still worked out. And he was still there with you and for you. So I feel like for me, forgiveness is a daily— it's just now it's just a daily part of my life. So that has been really beautiful. And then the other thing that I do is I really prioritize my health. And it's probably an interesting comment to hear from somebody who's a certified nutritionist, you know, with all this, you know, additional, you know, study and education, exercise science. So I was good about going to the gym. I was good about going for a 5-mile run. But maybe what I wasn't good about was being in bed at a certain time, making sure I'm hydrated, making sure I have a refrigerator of easy-to-go-to foods. And then the other thing that I wasn't good at was really showing who I truly was to the people in my life, because— so if you needed me to make a comment like this or support you in a certain way that I didn't believe, yeah, I'll do that for you. So I have dramatically changed in that area. And what I've realized is, um, I need to please him and not other people. And that has given me, honestly, Tabatha, such a sense of peace that I just move through my day with calmness and peace, patience most of the time. Um, and, and I've mentioned generosity a few times, but that's one of the things that I pray every day is, Lord, show me how to be generous, how you're generous. And I can now be generous with my time and my talents and many other things without being a people pleaser.

Oh my goodness. Yeah, the research is pretty clear that people pleasers get more cancer than any other personality profile.

Really?

Yes. Yes. So that does not surprise me that you're saying that. And I, I would love to maybe help women understand this a little more because it sounds on the surface like you're just saying, okay, God, who can I support? Who can I, um, help? But that's different than people pleasing. People pleasing is an ego thing. It's a pride thing.

It's a— It is.

Let me be good enough for humans kind of thing. Let me get their accolades and feel my worthiness from people, and what you're saying is I had a huge paradigm shift, and now I'm here to glorify the Father and make Him happy and do His will, His will, not mine, and there's no suffering in that way of pleasing and serving, right?

Right.

There's a huge difference there. There's so much underlying resentment when you're a people pleaser because It's never good enough.

It's never good enough.

Keep taking. They will always want more. They will want you to go and do more. And so you never feel satisfied. You never feel worthy. And like, that just breaks my heart because by and large, people pleasers are women, right?

Absolutely. Cancer and autoimmune diseases and so many other things. Fatigue. Yes. All of those things.

Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yes.

Yes. So people pleasing, um, you mentioned pride and, you know, it's, it's interesting because it, it really is pride and it's control.

Yeah.

Which I think of people pleasing as, you know, meek and mild and, you know, kind of quiet. But you know what? It's actually incredibly controlling when you're trying to please the people around you. You, you need to please them so you can control the situation. And when I really got a vision of that, I thought, wow, I— this is an area I need to work on, giving control back to God and not walking in pride but walking in generosity.

Yeah, yeah. I see this on a whole nother level with women sometimes. It's like they don't trust God to do his job in the lives of the people they care about and they love, and they feel like, if I don't do this, this person isn't going to change, this person is going to suffer, like it's not going to work out for them. And, you know, I had an epiphany at one point. I was like, wow, I know I feel like I have to take care of my parents or whatever, but there are many times when I don't And they're just fine. God just takes care of them. They take care of themselves. Like, it really is my ego thinking it's all me. And I had that same thought as a doctor with my patients. And it's like, yeah, oh my goodness, I don't trust God to do his job, right?

What a revelation. It's not about you. It's not about me. He's really good at being God, and I, I stink at it. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Oh my goodness. Well, I am so excited that you have gone on this journey, and you know, God turns everything for our good.

If you— He does.

If you receive his invitation to walk with him and allow him to make your paths straight, he will. And so he's doing that in such a huge way for you, and now you have like felt this calling to create an in-person women's retreat, right? So we need to talk about Yes, because I am super pumped. It's very soon. I don't know.

October.

Yeah.

October 9th through 13th in Montana. Now I call it a dude ranch, but it's not a dude ranch. It is a, it's a guest ranch. It is a 5-star dude ranch. It's a 5-star guest ranch. And I tell you the food, it's, you know, it's like a, it's like a Michelin starred. I mean, it's not, but it's just like that level of food. We're gonna go fly fishing. We're gonna ride horses. We are— I mean, it's, it's just like the most beautiful setting I've ever been. I went there last September with a bunch of girlfriends. But now the shift is, yes, it's going to be in this beautiful setting, but we have 3 powerhouse speakers: you, our friend Kirsten, and myself. And we are going to talk about midlife reset. We're going to talk about your book. We're going to talk about my experiences when it comes to living toxin-free and mindset. Kirsten is the most amazing health coach focusing on sleep and, and, you know, all things health and healthy hacks. And, but we all have such a common theme is that we, we love God. We love the Lord.

Yeah. And I love that we're going to God's country.

Like, honestly. Oh my gosh.

It's just, yes. I, I can already tell how palpable it's gonna be. Like, I can feel it and we're not even there yet. It's—

yes.

So just breathtaking. And it's gonna move women. That's what I'm really excited about because I hear women just saying, I am so stuck. I am tired of being stuck. Right.

So stuck mentally and physically. You know, just like we were talking about people pleasing, when we spend a good chunk of our day focused on pleasing others, where's your energy going? My energy is gone. And so this is really a retreat for women who are just fed up with being sick and tired all the time.

Yeah, and I want to point out that because our bodies and our minds, especially our subconscious, which runs 95% of the decisions we make in is so ingrained in us and it is just on autopilot that it is really hard to have transformations and epiphanies and shifts when you're in your normal everyday environment because your body and your subconscious is receiving cues from everything around you. And so if you're still in the space that got you sick, it's really hard to get out of that mentally and make that shift in that same physical space, if that makes sense.

And so it totally does make sense. Yes.

Yeah, that's why so many women need to go on a retreat. It doesn't even matter where you go— to Sedona, you go to Alaska, you go to Italy, you go to Montana— because you have to get your physical body in a different environment, in a healing environment So that your subconscious can start to hear different things and rewire your beliefs and change the future you that you see. So I'm excited to unpack all of that.

I am too. And that's a really good point, is that you can't heal in the same environment that made you sick. It's just—

it's—

I don't, I don't know how that even happens. So if you could just Again, push the pause button, get away for just a few nights into again one of the most beautiful settings I have been in in my life. We we come home with a fresh perspective, and we also come home with a different community. And this community is going to be you know emailing each other and. We're going to be learning a lot, and it is really helpful to have somebody reach out to you and say, "Hey, how are you doing with that relationship you were telling me about?" It's a little bit like when you get on an airplane and then you're you're really enjoying talking to your seatmate, and then you just kind of go blah. Like you're telling them everything, and you're thinking, "Why am I telling this person on this airplane?" Similar when you go to a retreat, like all of a sudden you're just bonded with other women. And I do love that female bond.

Yes, absolutely. It's going to be such a safe space. It's going to be very intimate. What are we having, like 25 women or something?

Right. It's small. Yes.

Yeah. And, you know, these are incredible women. I already know, like, most of the seats are taken. So if you want to get in, we want you to, like, jump at this. But the women who are coming are incredible. They're powerhouses in their own right. And so you're going Yeah. And I just keep having this vision of the fish in the dirty fishbowl. Like, the fish is almost dying and belly up, and the water is like so dark and dirty. You don't just keep feeding the fish or, you know, giving it more light. Like, you change the water, you put the fish in a different fish tank, or you put the fish in a different fish tank with with other fish so it can have relationships.

And like, I love that. That's so simple and so true. Why didn't I know you 25 years ago?

I wasn't me. I wasn't me 25 years ago, right?

Like, same.

We're all on this journey. Jesus has done so much work on me. I'm not even recognizable. Like, I am a A sinner, a cheater, a liar, a thief, a fraud. Like, I'm all the— that was me, and now I am a new creation in Christ. And so any woman can have that. And I'm really excited that we're just gonna like peel back stuff like an onion, peel back the layers, and really like get real with God and with each other. And it's gonna be transformational. So thank you for putting this together.

I'm ridiculously excited, and the we talk about it, the more my heart just starts pumping, and it just— it's just leaping for joy because I know it's gonna be just a small handful of days with just incredible transformation.

Yeah. Okay, so if you're listening, if you're watching, you don't even need the details. Like, you need the dates because you got to know if you're physically available, but literally that is it. You need to ask God, am I supposed to be there? Did I hear this podcast episode because Because I am supposed to show up for myself and do this next step. And if not, cool. Like, I hope that you receive some epiphanies out of this conversation. I know you did. But if, if you are feeling that nudge and you're supposed to be with us in Montana, figure it out. Make it happen. Everything is figureoutable. I, I live by that motto. God will He'll provide. If he wants you there, he will provide a way. You just have to make the decision, yes, I'm going, and he'll help you find the money, he'll help you find the time, he'll help you find the flights and all of those things.

It will all work out when we put our trust in him.

Exactly. Oh my goodness. Can you close us out? What is one last thing you want to say to women?

Oh, that is a great question.

So much, right?

I know, there's so, there's so much. You, you are worthy of love. You are worthy of peace. And you are worthy— this is not grammatically correct— but you are worthy of things going well and continuing to go well.

Mm-hmm.

Don't anticipate the wheels falling off the wagon. Be present. Love the people around you. Smile at your barista at Starbucks. Just really be present in each and each and every moment, and I think that God will just really bless that time.

Oh, I love that so much! So what you're saying is try to be more like Jesus in your daily life. Just live more like Jesus. I love that so much.

Okay. Yes. Woo!

Your story is just a powerful reminder that even when we do everything right by the world's standards.

Yes.

Life can still bring unexpected battles. So, what you've shared today, leaning into your faith, asking deeper questions, taking ownership of your health, it, it is giving us hope and clarity. So, ladies, Debra's journey proves that we are not powerless. God has entrusted us with these bodies through wisdom, intentional choices, and his guidance, and we can live with both joy and purpose no matter what challenges come our way. So, if you've been inspired by her story, I encourage you to listen to her podcast, Why Did I Get Cancer? And consider joining us in Montana because when you start making these faith-based shifts, everything changes. So remember, you were fearfully and wonderfully made. God has equipped you with everything you need to thrive. So let me know what hit you on this episode. We are here to serve you and I can't wait Yes. See you next week. Continue to be Christ's hands to serve. Bye, ladies.