#285 What Alcohol Is Really Stealing From You

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I was living this life of just everything looked really glossy on Instagram, but because after my mom passed away, I was more and more depressed and I was using the alcohol to cope, but making it look again really pretty. And so I woke up on the anniversary of her passing, 2 years on. I was looking at my Instagram feed and I was just like, this is not real. I feel completely so far removed from this image that I am portraying to the world. And I am not being the mother that God called me to be. I am not being the wife that God called me to be. And I was so far from him. Um, I hadn't cracked open my Bible in a really long time, and I knew instinctively that I had to go to Jesus, and I knew that alcohol was the first domino that had to go.

If you're tired of doing all the right things and still feeling exhausted, stuck in your body and disconnected from God, this podcast is for you. I'm Dr. Tabatha, a triple board-certified functional medicine physician, and I help women stop fighting their bodies and start healing them God's way. Let's get into it. Welcome back to the Fast to Faith podcast. Oh my goodness, Ashley, I am pumped about our conversation today.

God is working over He is. And he—

it's so cool to see that he's already so far ahead of us and we just didn't even know it. I mean, seriously.

Yeah.

It's really cool.

Today we are talking to a woman in London, of all places, yet she is doing so much of the same work that God has us doing. And I just think it's really cool that he uses different people in different places to essentially send the same message of just healing, support, and surrender. And so I can't wait to dive into all of this today.

Yeah, me either. All right, so today we have Christy Osborne, and she is a double-certified sobriety coach. She's featured in major media outlets and the author of Love Life Sober: A 40-Day Alcohol Fast and Rediscover Your Joy, Improve Your Health, and Renew Your Mind. Christy, welcome to the Fast to Faith Show.

Thank you so much for having me. I'm just so excited to be here.

Yeah, me too. And I left your book at home, otherwise I would show it. So we are going to talk about your book today because it is your— essentially your journey and how you have come to help other women just release alcohol as an issue in their life, right? I love your story because you didn't hit rock bottom, you didn't go through all the things, but you realized alcohol wasn't Serving you. So where do you want to start with all of this?

Yeah, I'm just so excited to have this conversation with you. I, I love getting in a room with other Christian women who want to talk about Jesus and health. And not a lot of people are talking about alcohol though. And so when I came across you randomly on Instagram and it was a, a reel about alcohol, I was like, oh my gosh, thank the Lord somebody else is saying it. Somebody else is saying it that Alcohol isn't great for us. It, you know, it's not great for our health. But the thing that I realized that I love talking to women about is that it got in the way of my relationship with Jesus, and it was a barrier for me to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit. And it wasn't until I went on a break from it, I realized all the ways that it was affecting my life. And then when I started to experience the abundance that was on the other side of putting down alcohol, I was like, I wanted to tell everybody.

Oh my gosh. And yeah, help Yeah, I mean, I think that this is an interesting concept because most people don't give up stuff unless it's harming them in obvious ways. And you're kind of saying like, it was harming me, but it wasn't super obvious. And it wasn't necessarily physical, right? So did you just have this aha moment? Or were you getting these whispers from the Holy Spirit? Like, share with us what happened.

Yeah, I mean, my drinking definitely progressively increased over the course of my life, and I noticed an uptick. I'm, I'm obviously not British, I'm from California, so I say that because when I moved over to the UK, that was one of those points where I definitely saw an uptick in my drinking. Saw an uptick in my drinking, um, before that in law school, but using it for various different reasons. And I started to use it definitely as a coping mechanism for grief when my mom passed away in 2018, and I was living in the UK. I was working. I also had a really popular blog for expat American women. And so I was being invited to like hotels and restaurants and all around, and then in Europe as well, to come make, you know, like an influencer does, make looking— holding a glass of champagne look really pretty. And I was really good at it. And so I was living this life of just everything looked really glossy on Instagram. But because after my mom passed away, I was more and more depressed and I was using the alcohol to cope, but making it look again really pretty. And so I woke up on the anniversary of her passing, 2 years on. I was looking at my Instagram feed and I was just like, this is not real.

Mm-hmm.

I feel completely so far removed from this image that I am portraying to the world. And I am not being the mother that God called me to be. I am not being the wife that God called me to be. And I was so far from him. Um, I hadn't cracked, cracked open Bible in a really long time. And I knew instinctively that I had to go to Jesus, and I knew that alcohol was the first domino that had to go. And so I walked into my bathroom, I looked in the mirror, and I said, Jesus, I can't do this anymore. And I just knew I had to take a break from drinking. And then it just snowballed into learning all the ways that it affects our brains and bodies and what it does to our spiritual lives. And I did this at the beginning of like COVID 2020, and so I kind of had this captive audience of women at home, right? Like on their phones watching my stories, and I was like talking about how great life was alcohol-free and encouraging gals to try it as well. And it kind of again just continued to snowball into this incredible job that I have now, which is coming alongside women, cheering them on, encouraging them. to take a break from alcohol and see what God has for them on the other side.

Oh my gosh. So how, how long did it take for you to start to feel different and wake up from that numbness?

Yeah, such a good question. The first thing that I noticed was definitely my sleep improved. I think that we talked about this when you came on my podcast. I noticed a drastic improvement in my sleep. You know, alcohol basically sedates us. As you know, it makes us like anesthetized. And so our bodies are not getting any sort of real rest. Our brains are not getting the rest it needs. And when I started sleeping properly, I was like, if, if it— if this is just the only thing I get from this journey, it's enough, because I had so much more energy.

Mm-hmm.

Um, and I say that with the caveat of it's different for everybody. Some gals, it takes, you know, several months for their sleep to reset. Um, but after that, I realized that then my joy came back online as well.

Mm-hmm.

And, and when it's rooted in Jesus, it's sustainable, right? So it wasn't this— sometimes you hear in the sober sphere the pink cloud of like, oh, I feel so good because alcohol's behind me and I can take over the world. Um, when you ditch alcohol and your everything is rooted in Jesus, it is, it's It's sustainable. And so the joy came back, peace came, which was amazing. Um, and so yeah, it was great. It was a process, but it was so worth it.

Yeah, I hope every woman listening realizes the impact alcohol really does have on your sleep because it is a depressant. So first and foremost, we drink because it initially makes us feel better. It decreases our inhibitions so that we don't feel the anxiety and the fear that we normally fear. And so we're more apt to go out and be social and hang out with people, right? And so we think that it's a good time and it's bringing us joy, but in actuality, it's a long-term depressant. So once that alcohol starts to get metabolized and broken down into its toxins of acetaldehyde and these things, Mm-hmm. It is a depressant, and our poor little nervous system in our brain feels those effects. And so it's very disruptive to our sleep, it's very inflammatory, and it starts to break down our healthy cells. And so long-term, what we see is worsening anxiety and depression, and then you feel like you need to drink it more so that you can continue to handle these social situations. Or in your case, the grief and trying to just numb some feelings because, yeah, some of these feelings that we have on this world, they're hard and they're not comfortable, right? So how— was it a challenge for you when you started feeling things again? Or you were just so focused on Jesus and the joy? Like, how did you navigate those hard feelings?

Yeah, I love that question. And I think that so many women I talk to were not used to like sitting in the suck, right? Like sitting in the hard emotions, sitting in the hard feelings. I definitely was not taught that, right? If you think about— I remember when I was doing kind of this, this learning, I passed a mom in the bathroom with her daughter and the daughter was crying and the mom was just like, no, no, you don't need to cry. Like, stop that. We don't.

Yeah.

And I was like, oh my gosh, that is it's so true. That's what we're taught— hard emotion, make it go away. And as adults, we use alcohol very much as a coping mechanism for those hard emotions. So yes, it was hard. I, I mean, it's still hard, right? There are still days where I'm like, I would love to hit the eject button right now. But I have, thank the Lord, other tools. Um, and, and life, life is hard, but I know now Because of all of the, the research and the science of what alcohol does, like you were talking about it being a depressant, it also just is so horrible for anxiety, right? And what it does to adrenaline and cortisol and all of these things. So ultimately, when you're facing a hard thing, it's a, it's a kind of this cost-benefit analysis of do you want the 30 minutes of numbness for everything that comes after that, right? Which is the bad sleep, the increased adrenaline, the depressant. Like, is it truly worth it? And that is something that I try to help gals with, of just go into it with this really open, curious mindset, um, with no self-condemnation. It's so important to have compassion in this journey. Same with this, with the work that you do, obviously, is like, if we're beating ourselves up, if we're in shame, We're in our amygdala. We just wanna get outta that as fast as possible. Makes you wanna drink more. And so coming to it with a self-compassion and curious mindset is also so, so important in order to figure out what does work for you when a hard emotion kind of rears its ugly head.

Yeah, absolutely. You talk about the willpower trap, and I think we need to talk about that because Where we at Fast to Faith, you know, we run a similar program, which we're going to talk about, but women think they need to do this on their own, of their own strength.

Yeah.

And the reason I just connected with you and the work that you're doing was like, no, we're relying on Jesus, and that is how we get through. And I know that it's easy to hear that, but it It's different to put it into practice and to really trust and believe that he's going to bring you that strength. But when he does, it's like you don't need this willpower. So can you speak to that? Because Ashley's over there nodding her head like, oh my gosh, I'm so tired of these women acting like they don't have enough willpower, right?

Yeah, they just— they, they keep wondering like why trying harder doesn't work.

Yeah, yeah. And, and that's why some— like, you see it all the time, right? Like, like, a diet normally doesn't work, and that is because it's the willpower competing with all of this data that we have in our subconscious that we need the thing. So in the case of alcohol, we build up all of this, the— and it's from culture and sometimes church and our families and social media, all these benefits that we think that alcohol gives us. And we believe these benefits as true as the sky is blue, that alcohol is going to somehow help us with these things. And we have— I mean, some of the women I talk to, right, like decades of this information that they're holding in their subconscious. And then they come, come to like a, a fast or like a break or a Dry January or something, and they try to strong-arm all that data, right? All that information in their brains And it— and they wonder why it doesn't work. I mean, I did the same thing. And so that's why we have to get under the hood, right, of like, what are those reasons that you're drinking? Like, what, what is that? Is that true? This is the Romans 12:2 of it all, right, is, is renewing our mind. Um, we get— we have to figure out what's in there. Um, so because the willpower thing just doesn't work, we run out of steam, we run out of battery so quickly because we can't compete with what think we know is true.

Yeah, absolutely. And the other day I was walking my dog listening to the Bible. Sometimes I like to listen to it. And Paul was talking about drinking wine, and God started talking to me about the fact that wine in this day and age is nothing like it was in Jesus's time. Like, wine was actually a little bit beneficial at that time because it was Fermented food. It was very high in probiotics, which are like healthy bacteria, and it was lower in alcohol, and it didn't have pesticides and all the organophosphates and chemicals that we have destroyed our wine with. And so wine in this day and age is toxic, but we just, we don't understand that. We're like, well, Jesus drank wine, everybody drank wine.

Yeah.

It's kind of like kombucha now is probably what they were more like drinking back in the day because they did not highly process it the way that we do now. It's just a different drink. And so I think if women start to realize, like, I'm buying into all these lies, like, oh yeah, this is good for me, or it's okay, I deserve it. I had a stressful day.

It's going to help me sleep.

Oh my gosh, that is the worst lie ever.

Yeah.

I actually had somebody who told me their doctor told them, because they were struggling with their marriage and having painful intercourse due to menopause, the doctor told her, you just need to drink more wine before you have sex.

I've heard it too. Yeah, I've heard it from clients too. Yes.

Isn't that horrible? Like, this is what we're up against. Our poor subconscious doesn't know which way is right.

Right.

So how do we even start to tackle that? Is that why you created the 40-day program?

Yeah, 100%, because— and I don't— I— there, thankfully, there's— there are more voices now, but I still think we need more voices saying this because, like, exactly what you said, I hear that from clients all the time. My doctor said I'm— I'm— I have a really stressful job, so it's okay. Or my pastor said— I heard this recently this week, um, from a gal who has, um, a son with special needs. And so the pastor was like, your drinking's good, like green light, keep going, like you're fine. And so we are up against it, but we just know so much more now, right?

Yeah.

Like all of the health facts that we're like rattling off, like we know that it is a class 1 carcinogen linked to so many different types of cancer, all of these things. And so, but, but sometimes saying that, those things obviously can feel really heavy to gals that are stuck. And so what I really wanna just drive home is try it and see how you feel, because the difference in how you feel, then you're open to like learning all of these other things. But the difference in how you show up with your kids or with your family, having more patience, having more peace, all of these things, it's just, it's so worth it. Um, you know, but we are up— we're still up against it. We're still up against it. I mean, when I published, when I published the The book, one of the big publishing houses said to me, what woman is going to hold that book in church? And I was like, well, that is what— why we need it.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, I haven't drank in about 8 months and I feel so much better. Like, my sleep is consistent, you know. I, I did— I bought an Oura Ring and now I don't even need it because when I was drinking, I was having all this trouble with my sleep. But I quit drinking and bought the Oura Ring, and the Oura Ring's like, Oh, your sleep's great. I'm like, yeah, because I gave up the alcohol and it's all connected. So that's been really cool to witness. And my gut stays more balanced. I used to have just so many gut issues, and it's because I was constantly destroying my microbiome and causing leaky gut, which is like the gateway for all disease.

Yeah.

Which, as a woman with an autoimmune condition, I do not need to Do that. And how long have you gotten about what that does to your serotonin, right?

Like when it kills all the neurotransmitters in the gut, like it's just, yeah. Sorry, go ahead.

No, no, I was gonna, so I was actually gonna say this. You bring up a really good point about your sleep, but so many women struggle to connect the dots that cutting back, it, it, it doesn't matter. Like those 1 to 2 drinks that you have even a week, make a difference and make an impact on your sleep. So can you maybe address that a little bit about why cutting back doesn't work?

Yeah, and I mean, I don't want to discourage people. Obviously, cutting back— the less you drink, the better. But to your point, even one glass of wine, like research shows, disrupts your sleep by 10 to 12% or something like that. And the way that alcohol also stays in your system, it stays in your system for— and that there's varying stats on this, but 7, about 7 to 10 days. And so if you're a moderate drinker, you know, and you have a glass, a couple glasses of wine at book club on a Thursday or something, still in your system, you know, until Tuesday the next week, your cortisol levels are still raised. You're probably still, you know, your defenses are still down, um, against it. And so it's just, it, it's difficult. And also Alcohol is highly addictive, right? And so when you drink it, it shuts off your prefrontal cortex. So it's really hard to like stick to all those moderation rules that you have, which is why I get like to get up in arms against, um, you know, big alcohol who loves to tell us to drink moderately when after the first drink, that's really hard because of what alcohol is.

Right.

Because all of a sudden you're telling yourself different stories in your head of like, Oh, it's okay. I can handle this. And then you start rearranging your calendar and your schedule because of it. So women, they don't go to the gym the next morning or Pilates or whatever, and they don't meal prep because they you know they didn't feel good the night before. They drank too much, and I just find it to be such a slippery slope. And also, one of the biggest things women in our age range are struggling with is elevated blood sugar, insulin resistance, and this is like the number one. driver, is it not?

Yeah, 100%. 100%. So hard to stick to any sort of like good, good sort of meal prep plan, anything like that, because of what it does to blood sugar. 100%.

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I do.

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Yeah.

How long have you not been drinking, Ashley?

About 18 months.

Yeah.

Yeah. So none of us had, like, hit rock bottom, lost our home and our children, all these things. We just realized it was no longer serving us, and it actually felt better to just not have the drink. Can you talk a little bit about the social awkwardness that you have to navigate?

Yeah, I will. And I can really relate to the joy that you talked about because that was what I was doing, was I was kind of replacing that joy with alcohol.

Yeah.

And so it took a while to find that joy, but I will say the social piece of it, when you said book club, my book club, we always meet at a bar. And so it does take a little bit of time to try to figure that out. But what I started doing was I would prepare ahead of time and think about, okay, what can I order that I can still feel like I'm part of the group and not feel left out? Because I think that's what women, when they do get rid of alcohol and they have to go to events, they feel left out.

Mm-hmm.

And so I, I got ahead of that, um, to do that. So that was really, it, it took preparedness. Now I could care less. I can go to weddings and I can go to book club and I don't even need to drink anything but water.

Mm-hmm.

But for a while I just was prepared and I got fun mocktails because I didn't wanna feel left out.

Yeah. And thankfully, there's so many options now as far as mocktails go, right?

100%. Yeah.

It's like all of them at the grocery store.

Yeah. And you can also hold things so that people aren't asking you questions, because that's awkward, too, in the beginning when they're noticing that you're not drinking and then you have to explain yourself 46 times. And sometimes at that point, I'd be like, it might just be easier if I just drank because I don't want to explain myself. You know what I mean? So there's a lot of willpower. That goes into it. And I, there was a lot of times where I would limit my social outings until I got stronger. But you, there's something that you say a lot and it's about counting your fruit instead of counting your glasses. Can you explain what that means?

Yeah, so I think that going back to what we were talking about a little bit about moderation, right? I think that if you're focused on how much you're drinking, um, that can cause you to kind of have the green light to keep going if it's only a certain, like in the UK over here, they talk about number of units. In the States, obviously it's glasses. But instead of focusing on how much you're drinking— I'm only having 2 glasses a night, or I'm only having like 6 on the weekend, or whatever it is— what is it doing to the fruit of the Spirit? Like, is your 2 glasses of wine robbing you of peace because that's all you can think of in the hours leading up to it and the hours after it, right? Because you're taking so much mental real estate to plan those 2 glasses. Um, is it getting in the way of, you know, your joy? Right? Because of how alcohol affects our dopamine, it gives us this natural— not natural, unnatural spike, artificial level, huge. When you get used to that, it's hard to figure out like what— how you normally can feel joy, right? Because you're used to this massive artificial dopamine spike. And so instead of focusing on like, oh, I'm only having 2 glasses, or I'm only having this amount of alcohol, what is it doing to your love, your joy, your peace, your patience, your self-control? What— how is it interrupting or getting in the way of the fruit of the Spirit? And I did that with myself, like, before I put it in the book. I was like, oh, I am not patient, I am not joyful, because all I am is focusing on this one thing that I think is giving me all these things when it was actually robbing me of that.

That's so good. Yeah, it's like the enemy comes to steal, kill, and destroy, and sometimes he does it in a very sneaky way. Packages it in a way that looks good. It looks enticing. It looks fun. And really, we're like giving up our joy every time we drink. But I did want to go back for a second, you know, when you were talking, Ashley, about going to book club and just the social aspect of it all, because I hear from a lot of women that they get questioned and their friends feel judged by them if they don't drink. So it's like, putting up a mirror to the people that you're around, and they don't like that. And so I think that also perpetuates drinking. It's like peer pressure. You give in because you don't want your friends to feel bad or feel like you're better than them. And so I would love some advice on how women can navigate that piece of it, because I would rather just have us all be lifted up together than all pulled down together.

I agree. And I would like to address the woman that's listening to this that's maybe trying to get sober or trying to give up alcohol and say this, knowledge is power. So have, like, listen to what Christy's about to share and write it down so that when your friends are asking you, why are you giving up alcohol? You don't get all nervous and forget. You can pull this out and say, it's because of my hormones and my sleep, because they might be struggling in the same ways.

Yeah, 100%. And exactly what you just said, knowledge is power. I remember I wrote an article for Grazia magazine over here, which is like, I don't know, it's like the equivalent of like maybe an Us Weekly vibe. And it was for moms about like how alcohol is robbing you of your sleep, blah blah blah. And they pulled one line from the article and they put it, the, um, the one line like on Instagram. And I just like got massacred in the comments, right? Because it's like, who is this mom? She must not have children. Don't take our wine from us, blah blah blah. And I was like really upset at first because I'm like, they didn't even read the article. I'm— it was so grace-filled. But the reason I say that is because I put myself in the shoes of being stuck with alcohol and seeing that headline, and I would have not liked me either, right? And so the same is true for your friend who gets really vocal about the fact that you are taking a break from alcohol. You've held up that mirror, and they don't— they don't know that that— or maybe they don't know yet, right, that this is a coping mechanism that isn't serving them. They can't imagine their life without it. It's taken up so much space in their life. And so when you're shining that mirror, they're automatically putting themselves in those shoes of, oh no, that means I have to take a break. How in the world am I going to do that? That sounds horrible.

Yeah.

And so knowing that, that it's not actually about you, it's about them, they're making it about them, I think So so helpful, and when I started to clock of my girlfriends who was who was the most vocal about well I don't have to do that because I still run every carpool or I don't have to do that because I just made partner at my law firm you know da da da da da I'm like okay it's not about it's not about me it's you're making it about you you know yeah if you say like this makes me feel better.

Like, my gut heals, my hormones stay balanced. They can't argue that. But if you're trying to say, like, you need to do this too, it's going to help you, then they're going to go on the defensive for sure.

100%.

Your book is structured in a 40-day alcohol fast. Why 40 days?

Well, obviously it's biblical. I love that you guys Thank you for asking me that. Um, obviously in the Bible, every time it's mentioned, it's a time of testing. And also, I, I wanted it to feel doable, right? I wanted it to feel like this is a self-compassion-led experiment where you get to try to do this for 40 days and see what happens. You don't have to make a forever decision. You get to just try it. And, um, I like to say it's a no-fail plan because if you do have a drink after 5 or 6 days or whatever it is, keep going because the book, the book is written so that you can learn from those what I call growth points. Why did you drink that night? Is it because you were lonely? Is it because, you know, you thought you deserved something? Did you need a break? Did you— were you looking for connection? And so we can learn why we're going to alcohol while kind of going on this 40-day experiment.

That's so powerful.

Yeah, it's really good. I have like so many things. Yeah, go for it.

I just, I love how aligned her program is and our program, and we're both—

We didn't even know each other, like, you know, 2 weeks ago.

So good. Yeah, I, I just love that you're, you're teaching it as a lifestyle, but it, it's okay, like, to fail is basically what you're saying. Like, it's okay that you had that drink because now you're going to figure out why you had it. Because if you're just drinking every day, sometimes it's hard to get to the why. So Once you start to clean it up, then you realize— and that's basically what we teach with the nutrition side of it and the fasting side of it. I'm just mind-blown how they go together.

Yeah, because it's decreasing your inflammation in your body, it's awakening up your brain, you're getting back into that prefrontal cortex where you can actually have some critical thinking and you're not stuck in survival mode, right? Like, everything starts to shift and you're functioning the way We're designed to function.

Yeah. And I'm sure you gals hear this all the time too when you have one of your gals coming into your program is, oh, I'm so afraid to fail. I'm so afraid to fail. What if I can't do this? And as much as it's a 40-day fast, I'm like, gals, this is actually, A, not about alcohol. Surprise, it's not about alcohol and it's not about the 40 days. It's about learning about why you need this thing and like how you can lean on Jesus instead in those moments where the craving voice is hot, like really, really loud and you're standing in front of the wine cabinet, he's there, right? And that's the, the opportunity and the invitation to experience that is the most beautiful thing ever. So it's actually not about like hitting 40 days or becoming sober forever. It's about like what you're using it for and how God can show up instead. And it's just the best thing ever.

Can you speak a little bit to the spirit of religion? Because I grew with a lot of shame around my Christianity. Like, you should be ashamed of yourself for being such a sinner and being so bad. And all it did was make me more of a sinner, right? Because I was afraid to, like, bring the truth to Jesus, and all along he already knew everything. So that's the truth of it. Um, but how— speak to the woman right now who's Like, you're not ready to admit it, or you're just like really feeling ashamed of it.

Yeah. God loves you so much. When we realize that we tell ourselves so many stories about alcohol, we also get to learn that we are telling ourselves so many stories about ourselves, but also who God is. And so God is actually— surprise— like, not the God that I grew up up learning about what— like, in the sky wagging his finger at me, telling me off for everything I'm doing wrong. He's actually the, the God that is Jesus with arms open, like, just begging us to come to him. And the first time I read the Bible cover to cover was when I became alcohol-free and I figured out who God was, right? And that is when the shame started to go, because I was like, oh, He actually isn't really mad at me, and he hasn't written me off because I've struggled with alcohol and all these other things, right? He actually wants to pursue me and be with me. And not drinking gives you that space and that opportunity to learn who he truly is. It, it gives us that, that chance to explore all these stories that, again, like, we think that we know so to be so true as as the sky is blue, but just aren't. And so that's why I love— I know you've hung out with Dr. Lee Warren like recently. Like, that's why I love his work so much, because it is about investigating all these false negative beliefs that we have been conditioned to hold on to.

Yeah, absolutely. And so many of us are secondhand Christians. I didn't get my Beliefs from reading the Bible. I got my beliefs from listening to my priest and the nuns and the people in my life. And you're right, until you actually open the book and start reading, and like God will reveal His true self to you, and you don't have to listen to the lies that you're being brainwashed and that are being ingrained into your brain. Like you can. Change your beliefs about some things, and that is what I read in the Bible: is that Jesus came to die for you while you were yet still a sinner. He didn't wait for you to clean up your mess and fix your problems and renew your mind. He was like, "You are the worst of the worst," and I'm and I still love you so much that I'm gonna die for you and take it. Take your burden. Like my yoke is easy. Hook up with me. Let's go. Yeah, right. So good.

Yeah, so good.

Chrissy, where can women find your book and connect with you?

Yeah, everything's at lovelifesober.com. The book, the coaching, the community, uh, the podcast is the same name, Love Life Sober. Um, it's all there, so it's really, really easy to find me.

Oh my gosh. And you told us before we started recording, you are coming to Michigan.

Yeah, we're gonna hang out in the flesh.

Oh my gosh, God is so good. Yes, you are coming to Hope College in September, which Which is right down the road from—

I was gonna say, not only is she coming to Michigan, you're literally coming to our town. Like, just so wild.

God is so good. I love it.

God is so good.

Is there any last words that you want to leave for our ladies listening today?

Just if something has stirred in your heart of this conversation, that you're not alone. Um, I know that when I started my journey, I didn't know— I didn't know any women that didn't drink, but I definitely didn't know any Christian women like that didn't drink, which sounds crazy now. Um, but they're, they're, they are out there and I have a community of them if you want to come hang out. You do not have to do this alone. Like, we will love you, we pray for you, and we will encourage you, and you're not alone.

Oh my gosh, yes. All the links are in the show notes. Please connect with Christy. This could be the one thing that really just changes your life for the better going forward. So Oh my gosh, I have a really awesome verse that I want everybody listening to meditate on this week. It's Galatians 5:1. It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. Okay, ladies, like, Jesus wants you to have freedom in this life right now, not just in eternity, but On this broken earth, and freedom from alcohol, freedom from sugar, freedom from addiction, freedom from shame, all of it is yours for the taking. So, whatever that yoke is that you're attached to, the stress, the alcohol, the busyness, the gossiping, like, hand it over to Jesus. He does not want you living a miserable, exhausted, inflamed, I'm just so grateful for you, Christy, and I love that God connected us. It's so cool. It's just— it's everything.

We'll see you in September.

Yay!

Awesome. Go be Christ's hands to serve, lady. We'll see you next week.

Have a good week, girls.

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