Episode 40: BreathWork Will Transform You, with Jen Broyles

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I'm a board-certified OB-GYN and functional medicine physician. I've embraced the world of functional medicine and wellness through my own personal health journey, and I'm super excited to share my wisdom and unique perspective as it pertains to women's health. So if you're struggling with hormone imbalance, weight gain, period issues, anxiety, and Insomnia, you name it, then you've come to the right place. I want to be your functional gynecologist, so welcome. Hi friends, so today we are going to be talking about breathwork. I know it's a little bit different. It's not your mainstream issue for gynecology, but I will tell you that taking care of your mind and your soul is just as important as taking care of your physical body. They're all connected. And what I have found on my journey of studying functional medicine and healing myself Is that doing things like breathwork and guided meditation and anything that helps bring awareness between the connection of your mind and body heals you. It's so incredible. So I'm really excited for our guest today, Jen Broyles, because she has a really cool story about Being a pharmaceutical rep and living in her normal daily life and switching, making the switch, the transition into becoming a breathwork instructor. And so she's going to tell her story about how that transformed and why. But more importantly for you, we are going to talk about what breathwork is, why it's important For your daily practice of living and being? What are the benefits of it? So I'm gonna actually share a really cool story of something I experienced in Arizona last year, and it was just really eye-opening for me to see what breathwork can do in terms of opening your mind To start healing your physical body. So it's really cool episode. I want you to stay for the whole thing, and I want you to think about like, how could you incorporate something from this episode into your life? What is one little thing that you could start doing every day to help make that shift in your life to reclaim your health? So. I definitely do these episodes with the idea that you're going to think about your own situation, your own health struggles, and how this pertains to you and what you can take away from it. Because I think we can learn from each other as women. Our stories don't matter unless we share them and learn from each other. That's what I believe. So Cool. Stay tuned. I'm going to just tell you about Jen real quick. She's a holistic health coach and a Soma breathwork instructor. That's S-O-M-A. She's an essential oils coach and founder of the Sacred Breath Community who helps individuals restore and optimize their health by calming the nervous system and addressing the root cause of their symptoms. So Jen has a specialty in reducing chronic stress and anxiety and optimizing gut health. If you don't need that, then you're doing pretty awesome, because I think honestly we all need help with reducing our chronic stress and anxiety, especially since COVID Hello. She recognizes that an overstimulated nervous system, compromised digestion, and suppressed emotions lead to imbalances throughout our mind, body, and spirit. So she combines breathwork, essential oils, nutrition, and other holistic modalities to help clients create a healthy lifestyle Vitality and freedom. Her personal story is what inspired her to educate and guide others. She dealt with digestive issues, anxiety, and hormonal imbalances for years and was unable to find relief from conventional medicine. That sounds like a recurring theme in my world. So I really hope that you will listen to her story because she is going to Inspire you to take control because she believes that nourishing the mind, body, and soul with healing foods, proper breathing, self-love, and healthy emotional processing leads to a transformative healing experience. So let's talk to Jen and find out why you should be doing breathwork and how to even get started on that type of journey. So here we go. All right, Jen, well, welcome to the Functional Gynecologist Podcast.

Thank you, Dr. Tuffetham. Excited to be here.

Yeah, I'm really excited for you to talk about Soma breathwork. I think it's so important for us to be mindful in this day and age, right?

Oh, it is now more than ever. Um, it's, it's amazing how impactful our breathing patterns can be to our overall health and stress levels. And it's one thing we're never taught how to do. We, you know, breathing— we don't get a breathing manual, right, when we're born. Um, and so it's, it's something that many of us are not doing properly.

So yeah. Have you seen that you've become busier since COVID hit?

Absolutely. Um, much, much more so for, for sure, because breathwork— and we'll talk about what exactly breathwork is But the particular breathwork that I teach is a fantastic way to calm the nervous system, to reduce stress, to reduce anxiety and depression. And all of these things have been heightened lately with the current situation that we're in in the world. There's a lot of fear, there's a lot of uncertainty, there's a lot of worry, there's heightened anxiety, and, and people are looking for solutions. to help tame that a little bit, help reduce that in a natural, safe, and effective way. And breathwork is such an incredible tool because it's something that you have with you all the time. You know, you can tune into your breath and alter it and modify it to really help calm you down anytime. And so it's a really powerful tool to have access to.

Yeah, that is so amazing. I You know, see patients all day long who are feeling all that anxiety and that increased stress. I think all of the energy going out in the universe right now is so negative and fearful, and if we can just learn how to stop and realize how we're reacting, I think it's so empowering. So I'm glad that we're going to talk about this today because I think that you are going to give us a couple little golden nuggets, right? To And before we jump into all that, I want to know like how you even got on this path. Is this something that you did to help heal yourself?

Yes, yes. And so, you know, my background is as a holistic health coach and also essential oil specialist, and I've been doing that since 2012. And so I got into the world of natural health and healing Through resolving, you know, on a mission to resolve my health issues that I was dealing with at the time in the way of digestive issues that had been— I had been experiencing since my early 20s and was just kind of managing and not really paying much attention to until they got to the point where I needed to pay attention to them.

Mm-hmm.

And at that time, I was working in pharmaceutical sales. I only knew the conventional model of medicine. I believed in it. thought the drugs I was selling were helping people. And now I— then I started to question that. And I was seeing so many different doctors, so many different specialists trying to figure out what was going on with my gut, what was going on with my hormones, what was going on with my skin, what was going on with anxiety, all these different things. And I, in my 20s, was put on all these different medications from birth control To antidepressants, to medicines to support my digestion, to medicines for my skin, just all of these things. And I'm like, I'm in my 20s. Why am I on all these medications? And most of them weren't helping and a lot of them were causing other symptoms that I didn't want.

Yes.

Yeah, it was frustrating. And I know a lot of people have been in the same situation and I felt that I was kind of left to figure it out on my own. I just started reading a lot of books, mainly in nutrition, because I didn't know what real nutrition was. The more I read and the more I navigated these books and this research, it led me down the path of integrative medicine and functional medicine. I was learning all these new things. It lit this fire in me and sparked this passion of a new path that I wanted to take. I went back to school and studied integrative nutrition. and started health coaching people really in the area of gut health. And since then, the journey has kind of unfolded in different ways. I brought essential oils into my practice and have done a lot of education around that. And then more recently discovered breathwork. And for me personally, I found that the stress piece and the emotion— emotional health piece Was something that I wasn't addressing enough. And, and until I feel like for most of us, until we do that, it's really difficult to fully heal. You kind of hit a plateau. Like, nutrition is incredible. You got to do it. You know, you have to get good quality sleep. You need to move your body. But you also have to prioritize self-care. You have to learn ways to manage your stress. And that may be, you know, freeing up space in your schedule, but also really tuning into your emotional well-being and tuning into the thoughts that are playing in your mind that are running throughout the day that are often subconscious. And so all of these things and breathwork allowed me to do that, allowed me to go into this deep meditative state and tap into my subconscious mind and start to reprogram negative imprints. that have been formulated. Oftentimes this happens early in childhood. And, and then as a result, reduce anxiety and calm stress and really stimulate self-healing within the body. So it's a really powerful tool for that. And I just, from the first experience of breathwork, the first session, I noticed a difference and I was hooked. Wow.

I couldn't agree with you more. You hit on so many important things. You know, we can only do so much to get our health on par, but if our emotional well-being is Still struggling, if we have old wounds, old traumas, or we don't love ourselves, you know, even negative self-talk is enough to prevent you from taking your health to that next level. It's so important to actually get into tune with what you are saying to yourself because really it's like having a friend or an enemy next to you talking all day long, 24/7, never shutting up. Like, you would never let someone walk around and talk to you nonstop, right? Yet we let our brains do this to ourselves. So as soon as we can start to be aware and say, you know what, I don't think that's true. I think you need to shut your mouth and say something else, right? So you hit on so many important things. I think, you know, is that when you felt like you finally were able to reclaim your health and heal, when you started being more mindful?

Absolutely, absolutely. And it's a process. I mean, right, we've had these kind of subconscious, you know, belief systems and, and patterns running our life for years and years and years. You don't fix it overnight.

Mm-hmm.

It is, it is practice. And but the great thing now is I can see when I slip back into, you know, an old pattern.

Yes.

And I'm aware of it and I can do something about it. You know, and oftentimes I'll, you know, I'll go do some breathwork or, you know, I'll meditate or I'll journal, you know. And so I have these tools that I can go to rather than kind of letting it, letting it take over. Right. And so, so, yes, I noticed such an impact, such an improvement when I started implementing things like breathwork. And, you know, we use the term self-care, which I also view as self-love and self-compassion. It's not necessarily going to get a pedicure every week, which is great if you can do that. But it's really like sometimes doing the uncomfortable things as well, like sitting in a breathwork session and allowing emotions to come up, or, you know, journaling some Some things that you don't want to admit that you're thinking about, right? So it's sometimes doing the things that are uncomfortable to allow them to release and to pass. Um, and that's where you experience so much growth and healing. Yeah.

So a lot of times I have patients who tell me, you know, oh, I couldn't do that. My mind was racing. I couldn't focus. You know, they describe that monkey mind and I try and explain to them, that's exactly why you need to do it, right? We're trying to get control Is that usually a barrier that you see for people, and what do you— how do you help them through that?

Oh my gosh, I love that you asked this question because I tell people that breathwork is perfect if you have trouble meditating. That was me. Like, I, I had a meditation practice, but it always— like, it always needed to be a short guided meditation, like 10 minutes, you know, because I, I have— I would have this racing mind and I would have trouble just sitting there and And it's not like meditation, you have to like clear your head. You're gonna have thoughts running through, but acknowledging them and allowing them to pass. But what's great about breathwork is that it allows you to go into this deep meditative state so much easier. Like, I have never been in such a deep meditative state as I have with breathwork. It's just so powerful. And with Soma in particular, we're combining A lot of ancient pranayama techniques, which encompasses rhythmic breathing and some breath retention phases. We're blending this with amazing beat-driven music that provides this therapeutic experience. We're breathing in a rhythm to beats of really great music. I think the music is such a big component of this.

Mm-hmm.

The music combined with the rhythmic breathing And then the breath retentions, it just— it calms the nervous system and it gets you into the present moment, gets you out of your head, and it allows you to go deep. And some, you know, I have had— I have countless testimonials of people's experiences just after one session. And, and people will, will explain it as if they've had an out-of-body experience. Many people explain it that way.

Yes.

And other people just say they feel incredible, like they came into the session feeling stressed or frustrated And afterwards they feel so calm and at peace, you know, or they feel motivated to go do the things that they've been procrastinating doing. Or I've had people say that this chronic, the chronic pain that they had been dealing with, they didn't feel it during the breathwork.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

Can I share my story with you? So were you at Revitalize in Arizona last year for Mind Body Green? Okay. So we had a Soma breathwork session, and it was incredible. So I had a really delayed flight, and I was in the airport for I think 20+ hours. You know, I'm coming from Michigan all the way to Arizona, and by the time I got to the resort at about midnight, my back was absolutely killing me. And I signed up for this breathwork, you know, just to try it out and whatever. And we're laying on the ground outside, the music is going, you know, they're guiding us, telling us when to breathe, how to breathe. And I kid you not, like, I just had this whole experience of laying on the hard desert floor and my back pain just kind of melting like liquid away from my back and seeping into the dry desert and nourishing the desert and freeing me. And I just, I was like almost crying.

It was So beautiful.

And I stood up afterward and I had no pain the rest of the weekend. And I just thought, oh my God, I need to do this all the time. Like, this was incredible.

That's beautiful.

So yeah, it can be so freeing. It can energize you like you said, and it can just hit on so many levels because I never could have gone there by myself just focusing on my thoughts or whatever. But Getting that oxygen flowing through my blood and feeling the music and the community that I was in, it was like transformative.

Oh, I love it. I love it. It is so transformative. And I love how you said you, you were kind of visualizing it, kind of going into the earth and nourishing the earth. And that's— that, that too is part, as you experienced, of Soma Breathwork, is the affirmations and the visualization and doing that alongside the breathing and the music. Like all of it combined It just is incredibly powerful. So, oh, I love that experience.

Yeah. I mean, if that doesn't heal you, I don't know what will, right?

I know, right?

So talk to me a little bit more about how the rhythmic breathing helps and what's that doing?

Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, I know probably a lot of your listeners have heard of, you know, deep breathing and different forms of deep breathing, whether it's the box breath or something else. But we know that, like, slow diaphragmatic rhythmic breathing has been shown to reduce stress not only in the short term but in the long term almost instantly. The problem is, you know, if you tune into your breath at any given instant, you know, and especially I encourage people to tune into it when they're really busy or they're working on a project or they're trying to juggle a bunch of different things and just take a second and tune in and see how you're breathing. And if we, if we tune in, if we're honest with ourselves, most of us are doing either very shallow breaths from the chest, we're breathing in and out through our mouth, or sometimes we're even holding our breath.

Yes.

Without even realizing it.

For sure.

And so our breathing is very erratic. Like, it might be fast and then slow, and then you take a big deep breath and sigh it out, and then you hold your breath, you know, and it's just all over the place. And erratic breathing leads to erratic thoughts, and it leads to stress, and it leads to dysfunction in the body. So, so bringing your breath back into a rhythm, slowing it down, breathing in deep from the belly, in through the nose. And when we do the breathwork, we breathe in through the nose and out through the mouth. And this really helps reduce oxidative stress in the body. It increases heart rate variability, really increases and improves coherence in all the functions of your body. There's, you know, so much of our body is functioning in rhythms, right?

Mm-hmm.

So our digestion, our heart rate, our blood pressure, all of these things work in a rhythm. And so if we can really start to bring our breathing back to a proper rhythm, we can start to harmonize everything else in the body. It improves symptoms of COPD, it facilitates lymphatic drainage, which we know how important that is. It's even been linked to Healing IBS and reducing those digestive symptoms of the disorder. That's really huge. I've noticed that personally for me, improvement in gut function, reduction in stress, reduction in anxiety, clearer thinking, being more motivated. Again, that rhythm just really helps bring harmony to the nervous system. It helps to calm and balance the nervous system. And you can, you can change up the rhythms too. And we often do this in a breathwork session. So sometimes we may breathe in for 4 and out for 4 and keep those, the inhale and exhale equal counts. And again, that's, that's really all about bringing balance. Now, if we were to breathe in for 2 and out for 4, so we're doubling the length of our exhale, this is great at activating the parasympathetic. Nervous system, which is your rest, relax, and digest state. So we're switching off that fight-or-flight response and, and helping you get into a state of relaxation and helping enhance digestion. So this is a great rhythm to breathe in at night before bed, or even if you wake up in the middle of the night and have a hard time falling back to sleep. Doing some rhythmic breathing where you're doubling the length of your exhale is going to really stimulate that parasympathetic nervous system and help relax you and calm you down and help you get back to sleep. Mm-hmm. much quicker. And so again, just breathing, bringing that rhythm into your breath is going to really help just overall health, everything from physical, mental, and emotional.

Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And I even recommend it for, you know, when you sit down to eat, for fast eaters, stress eaters, you know, people I know for, you know, being a surgeon for 15 years, I just ate on the go, standing up, running down the hall, going to my next case or whatever. And And so I didn't even know how to digest my food by the time I was able to relax and actually enjoy it. And so I think getting into that frame of mind, stimulating your vagus nerve, like you said, for rest and digest is key. So that is really awesome. So you work one-on-one with people, or is it all group coaching?

So I do both. I do private sessions and I do group sessions. Right now, at the time of this recording, they're mostly online.

Right.

But as things start to open up more, I do in-person sessions as well. So yeah, private sessions, if someone is really wanting that one-on-one support and customized sessions and meditations targeted to their specific intentions, because it is nice to kind of go into a breathwork session with an intention, whether it's physical healing or letting something go, um, or cultivating gratitude or forgiveness, you know, having that intention is, is always beneficial. So private sessions are really good for that. And then the group sessions are great as well. Um, because I find that the energy of a group just kind of elevates the whole experience.

Yeah.

Even when it's online, because energy has no boundaries, right? So, so even these online group sessions are really powerful and I also have a community called the Sacred Breath Community where, you know, you can join the community and get access to monthly live online breathwork sessions and recorded audio breathwork sessions that allow you to do this anytime during the day and also attend the live group sessions, which is nice.

I love that. And so people who are struggling with anxiety, right, or stress, or even insomnia, Insomnia, gut issues. Who else would benefit from this?

You know, I feel like everyone, right? Yeah, we can all benefit from it because it's true. We all have some level of stress in our life. But just to give you a few of the, the benefits of Soma Breathwork, um, you know, it's great for the business professional, you know, because it helps to awaken dormant functions of the brain and enhance creativity.

Problem solving.

And improve brain function and mind power. So whether you're an entrepreneur or you run a business or whatever it might be, it's great for the work environment. It's wonderful for, again, the physical health because it helps cleanse and purify the bloodstream and lymphatic system, and it helps improve gut function and other functions in the body. It helps to stimulate self-healing and reduce anxiety and depression. But then someone who is also really working on their emotional state, this is a great practice to help clear negative imprints and traumas from early life, usually from the womb to 7 years old. And really reimprint your mind with more empowering beliefs and habits. It's great for intention setting and manifesting and really helping you create the motivation energy to complete and achieve important goals, and really tune into yourself and help you discover your true self and your deepest inner calling and connect on a more spiritual level as well. So it has so many benefits. And again, it goes kind of back to the intention of why you want to do this, but it can really serve everyone. There are— there is part of the breathwork where we're doing breath retentions or we're holding our breath, and that does have a couple of contraindications. But otherwise, the rhythmic breathing piece is great for everyone.

Yeah, I think everyone should do this. I think it should be part of your necessary self-care, right? I think that, like you said, it's a free tool. It's innate in our bodies. It's easy to pull out and utilize anywhere, anytime. You know, why wouldn't you use this tool? I think that's amazing.

It's so true. And I feel like most people, once they've experienced one time, they want more. That's how I was.

Yes.

I was like, where— I want more of this. I— why did I not know this existed? And where can I get more?

Exactly. Exactly. Are there other tools that you use along with breathwork when we're healing people?

Yeah, there are. Absolutely. I mean, nutrition for sure. You have to address, you know, what you're putting in your body, how you're nourishing your body and your cells and And everything, and that impacts your mood as well. I do a lot with essential oils, and I love blending the essential oils with the breathwork because I just think that enhances the entire experience.

Mm-hmm.

So whether you're wanting to do a breathwork session to really calm stress and anxiety, you can add essential oils to that that are calming and have them diffusing in your space, or, you know, wear them on your wrist and your chest so you get that aromatic benefit. So like floral oils like lavender and rose and Roman chamomile, those are all great at calming the mind and the emotions and helping reduce stress. If you're doing a breathwork session to boost energy and boost positivity, then citrus oils are a really good one to incorporate into your practice. So, so using different essential oils for different intentions in the breathwork is really powerful. So I do— A lot with that as well. And then, you know, I really work with people to implement other self-care techniques as well. So whether it's journaling or, you know, just straight-on meditation, or, you know, I encourage people to find the things that they love. Dancing, for me, I love to dance. And so a lot of times in our breathwork sessions, we'll incorporate some dancing. Or some shaking with it because those tools are again great for releasing emotions that you might be suppressing or holding on to. And it's just also a great way to kind of release tension and calm the mind. So we'll blend those in too.

Oh, that is so cool. I love it. I think that is the best, you know, combination that you can have. I think it's so true that when you have the senses going, right, that's stimulating your other feelings, and it's just all working together. I know that I do best when I have like lavender essential oil going, and that really just takes it to the next level. So, yeah, so cool. So, yeah, so you have a free session, right?

Yes. So you can go to jimbroyles.com/breathwork and get access to a free 20-minute Guided breathwork meditation for boosting positive energy. And so you'll be able to download the audio so you can listen to it anytime, anywhere. It's a great breathwork meditation to start your day on a positive note, or really do it anytime during the day. And along with that, you'll get instructions for how to do the breathwork and, and get you set up. And, and I included a few other techniques as well in terms of different ways of breathing for different purposes. So that's a great way to kind of get started. If you want to dip your toe in and see what it's like, then, then give that a try.

Awesome. Yeah, I'll definitely have the link to that in my show notes because like you said, I think once you start it and realize how good it feels, how empowering it is, you're gonna want more, right?

Absolutely. Absolutely.

So when, when women work with you, is there a set time of, of the program or is it all dependent on the individual?

Yeah. So if someone's doing private sessions, It is totally dependent on the individual. I will, you know, if they reach out to me for a private session, I'll send them the options of doing a single one or a package. And then I'll, I'll send them a form to complete so I can understand kind of what their intentions are for the breathwork, what they want to work on. And then I'll start formulating, you know, the meditations and the sessions for their purpose. And we connect on Zoom and have a great interaction. And go from there. So it's, it's a very customizable experience.

Oh, wonderful. That's awesome. Okay, what else do you want to share with my listeners?

You have—

you're just a wealth of knowledge. You got all kinds of good stuff.

Well, thank you. Yes, I would just encourage everyone to give breathwork a try. Um, I was, I was skeptical in the beginning. I, I had to hear about it multiple times before I actually said, okay, I need to look into this because I always tell myself if I hear about it 3 times, then maybe that's a message that I need to tune in. And it came up multiple times for me from different people, and I was like, there's something to this. And so it was actually on one of my trips out to California where I finally got the hint, and I was like, okay, let's try some breathwork. And my husband and I found several different ways to try it, several different classes, and we tried a variety of different modalities of breathwork, one of them being Soma, and I was just blown away. I had no idea that using my breath and breathing in certain ways could make me feel so different. I, you know, I was like, I literally had a doctor— this is probably like 5 years ago— tell me if I just breathed properly, I could heal myself. And I was like, that's weird, you know, it can't be that easy, you know. And, um, and that— I'll remember that forever now because I didn't believe him.

Mm-hmm.

Um, I was like, surely if that was the case, I would have known about that right now. And, um, but your breath is powerful. And, um, and if we just tune into it, then there's a lot that can be done. And I think just having that belief In our body's ability to heal.

Amen.

Many people have lost it. So, um, so yeah, so just, just reigniting that, that belief that, that you have this inner pharmacy within you. We just need to activate it.

Yeah. Oh, I love that. And, you know, like you said, it's a lot easier than meditation. So I think just give it a try because I think you're gonna notice it even just the first time and So hopefully we can get people hooked, right?

Yes, for sure, for sure.

Cool. So where can my listeners find you, Jen?

Yeah, so you can visit my website, jenbroyles.com. That's J-E-N-B-R-O-Y-L-E-S dot com. And you can find me on all the social media outlets. I'm on Instagram @jenbroyleshealthcoach, and then on Facebook, if you search Jen Broyles, you can find me. So I'd love to connect, would love to connect with you. And you can also contact me through my website if you have any questions.

Wonderful. Well, I encourage everybody to definitely check you out because I think that's an amazing tool that everybody should sharpen in their toolbox. You need to know how to use it because it's going to help you reclaim your health and take it to the next level for sure. Right?

Yes.

So I'm so glad that you came on and talked about this today. I think it's really helpful. And hopefully people will reach out and connect and give you a try.

Yes. Well, thank you for the opportunity to, to come on your show and speak with your audience. I really, really appreciate it.

Awesome. Hope to talk to you again soon. Okay, so I hope that conversation piqued your interest in maybe tapping in and trying some breathwork or any type of situation where you are connecting your mind and your body, because that is where the healing truly begins. So definitely check Jen out. The links are in the show notes. And come work with me. I incorporate this as well. As we are trying to heal your physical body, we need to address your mental and emotional and spiritual issues. So I love that we're all in this together as women. It's a sisterhood, not a competition, right? So I really want you to take a little nugget from this episode and see what you can start doing differently to reclaim your health. And don't hesitate to send me your questions or what you want to hear about on the podcast. Because I am here for you. I do this for you. So go out and have an amazing week. You are an incredible woman, and I want you to remember how amazing you truly are and what you're capable of. Don't hold back. Don't live in fear. Life is definitely too short for that. So go out and have an amazing week, and I will see you next time.

Bye.

See you next week. Bye.