ERF 1,049: Goal-Setting, the Sydney Sweeney Ad & the HYROX Bathroom Disaster

Sydney Sweeney being naked and HYROX people pooping themselves. I'm going to give you my opinion on that in today's episode of the Eric Roberts Fitness Podcast. But before we do, as always on Fridays, we're joined by co-host Sophie, sipping on a nice Coke Zero, if I'm not mistaken.

Mm-hmm.

Nice. Let's go. So you are an advocate that there is a big difference between Diet Coke and Coke Zero, huh?

100%. There's a huge difference. Like, it's not even close.

What is the difference? Explain it.

Coke Zero tastes, tastes a lot more like Coke to me. And Diet Coke is just like its own flavor. That's my opinion. So I love Coke, so I love Coke Zero. Tastes way better to me, in my opinion. But Diet Coke, it just has a different taste. And I told you Coke Zero is marketed for men, right? I told you this.

What is the— I'm wondering what the actual difference is. Like, what is the actual difference ingredient-wise that makes it do that? Because they're both zero calories, right?

Right. They're both zero calories. And I told you there's a Coke Zero, um, with no caffeine on it. That one tastes really like different too. It doesn't taste like Coke Zero, but yeah.

That's good, man. Cool.

Well, she's my best friend and it's so sad because not every restaurant, most restaurants will carry Diet Coke, not Coke Zero all the time. So. Or sometimes they'll be like, "Oh, we have Diet Pepsi." I'm like, "No, no, yeah, I want my Coke Zero." We're we're going out to eat how many times a week?

Are we are we going out to eat here?

No, no, no, no, not not that many times. Like once or twice at most.

Okay.

No, yeah, no, no, no, no, I don't. I really don't. I really don't go out to eat much.

I believe you. No, I believe you. You made it seem like it was a, but I guess it is a big thing.

Why are you saying it with a judgy tone? Like what's wrong with that?

I'm just asking how many times a week you're going out to eat.

No, not that many times. I'm just curious. It's actually so annoying because I'm, so I'm trying to lose some weight for a wedding that I have coming up in a few weeks. And so we're not eating out much and it's like, what is there around to do for me around my apartment? Restaurants. Eat.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. Like I need to make a whole list of all the places that I need to try and I'm like, all right, I have 15 months to figure this out. It's fine. It's okay.

Yeah, dude, that's probably that. I, that is something I do enjoy doing is like going to new restaurants, trying new restaurants, trying new foods out. Yeah, dude. I, yeah, I like it a lot actually.

It's fun. Yeah, it's fun. And I feel like I'm going to make a list so that way I can have like, you know, all the lists of all the restaurants. And I was thinking like, how do you, how are you supposed to enjoy life and be 4'11 and a half? And also, you know, but I was like, well, maybe I can plan it and I can just try different things and I don't have to. You know, eat out multiple times a week, so.

Yeah, dude, it's tough. I mean, yeah, it's tough for you. I mean, it's also— I mean, it's tough for me. But like, I mean, even me right now, which I don't know this for a fact, but I think this is why. So I got done my HYROX, and now I'm trying— I wanna drop about 10-ish pounds. And so I'm trying to be—

You do?

Yeah, because—

Oh.

I think if I compete at 2— I competed at 250. So if I can compete at 240, I think that would save me some time and just be a little bit easier to compete at. So I wanna drop about 10 pounds, but dude, I mean, I'm working out 7 days a week. I'm running fucking 18 miles a week right now. I'm doing cardio 4 or 5 days a week. I'm hungry, dude. And I think, like, I'm waking—

That's rough to be in deficit with.

Yeah, every night I've woken up between 2:00 to 3:00 AM, and I'm like, the only thing that's different is I'm still trying to be in this deficit. So I don't know.

I don't know what I'm gonna do. What if you take a break for— what if you do maintenance for a month and then—

Yeah, but even if I do, I'm gonna have to do it anyway. Like, at some point I'm gonna have to go to the deficit. So I don't know. We'll see. I'm gonna try some different things out with sleep to make sure maybe that doesn't happen. But if it keeps happening, I'll probably just say fuck it and just not do it. But dude, I don't know, we'll see.

If you can't sleep, then I don't know, you have all of these things. You have your sleeping pills, your magnesium, your Lunar, your mattress thing that you use. What else can— well, okay, have you tried that white noise?

Yeah, I have that too. Um, what else I can do is there's a peptide called— I believe it's called ipamorelin. And it's supposed to be really good for sleep. Like, I know Nicole's husband Rich does use it and he just was like, dude, it's fucking awesome. So yeah, I might try that out and, you know, we'll see. I might just increase calories. I don't know yet. But, you know, working with Merrick Health, I get to, you know, I get to have obviously access to a medical provider and have safe means and ways of potentially using peptides or things that I want to use. So, you know, shout out to them. I just continue to be really impressed by them and really thankful for them because if I— they've given me a lot of both supplements and I'm taking 2 medical things from them. One being because the place I got my TRT from basically just— and people are going to listen to this and they're going to say I'm an idiot, but whatever. The place I was getting my TRT from, but actually this is a good point for people who may want to do, whether it's like HRT, TRT, or any sort of medical stuff. The place I was getting my TRT from, they weren't doing comprehensive lab panel testing.

Hmm.

And so basically what happened was I lost all of my fertility. So like even if I wanted to have a kid, I couldn't right now because I have no fertility basically. So working to get that back to a normal range, yeah, Which is— it's fine. Like, this is, uh... I don't wanna say it's normal.

Eric, now you— I'm sorry. This happens a lot. What? Wait, like forever, or just temporarily?

No, that's the point. No, that's the point. Like, just right now. So, you take this stuff. It's called HCG. You take HCG— What the—

OK, but they didn't tell you that this was gonna happen?

Right. I know.

That sucks.

That's so fucked. No, the people before Merrick Health, no. I wasn't told that.

Well, yeah. That's what I meant. Like, the people before...

Yeah, well, and that's— but that's why it's important to get comprehensive blood work done, man.

I hope you don't need children right now.

Uh, I'm good, so I wasn't really worried about it, but, um, but I'm glad that—

oh my God, that's very serious.

It's, it's all good, man. Well, it, it is, but also like, it's— it is, but also it's not. But, but it is, I get it. But also the way this works is like, I wasn't like that for that long. Like, some people will go years of being like that, and then it's really hard Yeah, yeah. And then it's really hard to get back the fertility if you did wanna have, you know, a child. But mine wasn't that long at all. And so, like, it'll, you know, it can come back and it's super fine and everything's okay. But yeah, so, but just another point of why you should be getting comprehensive labs done, because that's, you know, I got my labs done and the guy was like, so hope you didn't wanna have kids right now because that's not happening. And I'm like, yeah, dude, it's fine.

I'm all good.

But, But yeah, so working on that. And then also I'm taking, um, it's called, it's L-carnitine, but it's injectable L-carnitine, which is, if you're gonna take L-carnitine, you should really only take the injectable version. 'Cause like, that's the only way it's like actually bioavailable in your body.

Yeah.

Um, and I've seen some good results from that from like a recovery standpoint. So, and just like a body composition standpoint, I've seen some good results from that. And just other supplements like my, like they have a thyroid supplement, my calcium. Um, I have some other supplementation I've been taking from them. So yeah, I don't know where that— I don't know where that got started at, but all that to say, really happy about where I am now with just how I feel overall. But, uh, oh yeah, the peptide. So yeah, so if I want to, I can go through them and potentially get the, uh, the sleep peptide if they find— if they think it's, um, you know, beneficial for me. So yeah, that's why I like working with them. So if you want a comprehensive lab panel done and you want to talk to an expert about your blood work and what you can do and potential you know, HRT, peptides, whatever the case may be, and you're gonna be confident that people are telling you the right shit, you can click the link in the show notes of the podcast. I have a partnership with Merrick Health. I actually had a lot of people this month sign up through them and get some work done, which I'm really happy about that because I, yeah, I think it's really important. Sophie's gonna, you're gonna do it soon, which you need to go fucking do it. So make sure to get that done.

So— I just need to get over the, I just don't like needles, but I could do it. I can do it.

Dude, it's—

look away.

It's fucking fine.

Yeah, dude. Well, I went to the dermatologist like 2 months ago and the girl couldn't find my vein. It was like literally torture. Did I tell you this?

That sucks.

It's awful. And I was like, this is traumatizing for me.

Yeah, that, that definitely sucks.

Yeah, she poked me like 5 times.

Yeah, I could see how that sucks.

Yeah.

But, um, but yeah, so you can click the link in the show notes if you want to learn more about, uh, working with Merrick Health and getting your blood work done and potentially, you know— and by the way, the really cool part about them too, and this is the last thing I'll say, but They don't make you take any sort of like medications or that's like one of our clients wanted to increase his testosterone but didn't wanna take TRT right now at least. And so they were like, cool, here's all the supplements, here's all the lifestyle things, here's all the other things you can do to increase it as much as possible besides taking TRT. So they don't like force you to take anything, which I also think is really cool and really just morally, ethically correct in my opinion. So. So yeah, click the link, show notes, check it out. But, uh, yeah, dude.

That's awesome. Keep us posted. And yes, I will let you know once I do mine. I'm gonna be doing it soon. Um, 2 things. Number one, I think your issue was seeing me as a non-expert, not a doctor. I think you're just too stressed, which you can't change that, but like, I feel like you just have too much stress.

You mean sleeping in my sleep?

I really, yeah, I feel like it's that. I feel like it's that.

I, I think it's my calories. No, I think it's my— I think it's my calories.

I feel like you've always had like a sleeping problem. No?

Um, I mean, it's never been great, but like, I, I mean, it's fine.

You're not— you— what can you do about your stress? Like, it is what it is. You're a business owner.

Like, yeah, I don't know. I've all— I don't know, man. Like, I was listening— by the way, for people listening to this podcast, this is not going to be our normal like value-packed I have one value thing for you, but other than that, Sophie and I are just gonna bullshit.

Wait, speak for yourself. Speak for yourself.

Okay, fair enough.

Fair enough.

I have quite a few.

No, I'm just kidding.

Sophie has a lot. But yeah, I was listening to like Alex Hormozi and he was saying that for the longest time he worked 6 days a week for 12 hours a day. And I'm over here like, I do 7 days a week, like 15 hours a day. I'm like, and I'm not anywhere near as successful as him, but I'm just thinking like pure hours-wise. I'm like, That's it. Like, I don't take— like, I think he said he would take Sundays off. I was like, I don't fucking take Sundays off. Like, I just do every single day. Yeah. I'm like, I don't know. So I don't know, dude. But I'm also trying to— like, I might start working in a little bit more breaks and like taking some trips here and there. So we'll see.

You've gotten like— you've gotten better, I think. I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then I was gonna ask you one more thing. I don't know if Merrick Health suggested this, I don't know that I would suggest it myself, but how do you feel about THC drinks?

Thoughts? THC drinks.

Is that like a hard no?

It's not a hard no. I think for me, I would probably just, if I'm wanting the outcome of sleep, I'd probably just take the peptide instead. Like, I know that's gonna be, because what that peptide does is basically it, Increases your HGH, your human growth hormone, which really allows you to get good quality deep sleep, and it helps with muscle building. So if I'm gonna take it for sleep, I'll do the peptide. But I don't know, like, if I— the reason I say it's not a hard no, like, I don't know if it's a Friday afternoon and like, I don't usually drink or smoke or anything and I wanted to—

You wanna chill out?

Yeah, like, I don't know, I guess, like, I don't know. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. Like—

Well, I, I actually, I don't know anything about it, but I do think maybe it, it can impact your sleep the way alcohol does, in which case it would not work. But I'm very anti-everything and I tried one THC drink, I'll admit, here on the pod. Um, but, and I was scared cuz I was like, oh my God, no. Like, what if I get addicted? Like, no, no, I can't. And I only did it one time. And I will say I was very chill. Yeah, I haven't done it again, but just saying, I was very chill.

I mean, even if you— I don't know, even if you do, I don't think it's inherently a bad thing.

I just feel like it's— I know my mom traumatized me. I feel like it's wrong. Like, I'm like, I can't do it. I'm like, no. I'm like, get that out of my face. Like, I will not do it.

Sophie, there's people out here doing like coke 5 days a week, so you drinking a THC drink here and there, you're gonna be fine. But also, I think THC would have the op— no, THC would be good for sleep, not bad. So like alcohol, bad for sleep. THC, good for sleep.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, 'cause it puts you in like a parasympathetic nervous system state. Like it actually calms you down and like chills you out. Whereas the alcohol, that like actually messes with your sleep waves, your deep sleep, your resting heart rate, right? Like all that stuff actually negatively benefits. So yeah, have you ever, maybe you don't wanna say on the podcast, have you taken like gummies or no, you've never done that?

Okay.

I, I never have either.

I've never been high, bro. So that was, that drink was very chilling though. So I was like, oh my God, maybe.

Right.

But then I don't know, like, I feel like if I buy it consistently, it's a bad thing. So I'm like, I'm not gonna do that.

Well, I mean, I think what, what are we defining as cons— like consistently, I guess. Right.

Like, right. I don't know.

Like once a week or twice a week.

Can't be every night.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, but, but then also like, I know people who, for example, they maybe do some THC stuff to just like counteract some of like, maybe they have PTSD or maybe they have really high anxiety. And so, like, as opposed to taking an antidepressant, for example— and I'm not saying this is right, wrong, or indifferent— but as opposed to doing that, they do like a THC or something, and like, it gives them kind of more of a natural benefit and effect than taking a drug.

Right.

Yeah. It's all nuance, man. There's no right or wrong. Like, and that's— I'm sure some of the stuff we'll talk about today too, but like, there's— I'm very much just like very unemotional about some of this stuff. Like, I don't know, whatever, dude. Like, if it works for you and like you're healthy and you know what I mean? Like, it's all good.

Yep. Yep. Cool, dude. Well, I have nothing else to share. Is there anything else you wanted to share before we get started?

Yeah, I'll give the people value before we get into—

before we get into— I'm excited. I don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah. Well, we, myself and the coaches, I've said this before on the podcast, but every single month we have trainings for all of our team to just be the best coaches that we possibly can be. And one of the— well, the training for this month is, I think I said this last podcast, but finding and helping people make goals that will actually move them, like will actually change their behavior because people make goals all the time, but like, I don't, I often see it's not actually enough to get them to change behavior. So the thing I wanna just quickly kind of intersect here is basically a summary of the training that we did. And so I was thinking about why do goals work? And I'll use my HYROX race as the example. There was kind of like 4 pillars that I saw. So number one, I picked it. I picked it. I didn't feel like I had to do this. I didn't feel like I was shamed into doing this. I picked it. Number 2, it had a date. So like the High Rocks Race, it was on September 5th, and I knew whether I was ready or not, September 5th was gonna roll around. But there was a specific date that I worked towards, not for an outcome, although I wanted the outcome. I didn't get it, but there was a specific date of Something to push for. Number 3, it had an identity to it. So what I mean by that is I wanted to work hard and I wanted to become the person who worked hard for that specific HYROX race. I wanted to step outta my comfort zone. I wanted to do the cardio. I wanted— it was an identity thing. And then number 4, there was a scoreboard with it. So like there was a time, what time do you finish? And the scoreboard can look different. It doesn't necessarily have to be a specific race, but there's some sort of scoreboard that is tied with the event. And so basically what we were talking about was those are the 4, those were the 4 kind of pillars. And then having the goal or having a goal isn't a driver for people. It's who picked it and why is normally the driver. And there's something called self-concordance, which is the degree a goal matches the own person's values, interest, and ideals. Not a goal they were handed, not a goal they feel like they should have, but one that they own, they attain and come up with, and they feel better while chasing them. As opposed to saying like, well, my doctor told me I should lose weight, or my spouse told me I should lose weight. It needs to be more intrinsic and identity-driven. And so, Again, I think there's 4 fuels for a goal, which is number 1, external. My doctor told me to do this. I don't think that's the best long-term. Number 2 is introjected, which would be like, I would feel guilty if I don't do this. Maybe it could work short-term, but again, I don't think it's the best long-term. Number 3 is identity. Like, this matters because I want to be The dad who keeps up with my kids when they get older. That's an identity that is autonomous. That is something that I want to do. And then number 4, it's like intrinsic. And this, this could be, I love lifting, or I just like how it feels to do cardio, or I wanna be able to see what I can accomplish. Those are 4 fuels you could use, but I think only the last 2 are gonna be sustainable long-term for people. They all can work in the beginning, but they need to be long-term, which is what we want for our clients to be able to create long-term change. And so what we kind of ran through with people, and I would just encourage people as you're listening to this, think about this and maybe even stop and kind of work through this for yourself, which is there's 5 layers that we talked about in our training, which is layer number 1 would be eliciting somebody. So What this— what most trainers or coaches do are like, oh, I wanna lose weight. Okay, let's lose 20 pounds by December. The client kind of nods along and like the coach just kind of guides them that way. But as opposed to doing that, be like, well, asking open-ended questions of what would be different if this actually worked for you? If you lost 20 pounds, if you, if you, if you reached your goal, how would your life be different? And let them talk. And what we were wanting to do is if you're somebody who's working with a coach or just trying to do this yourself, you should be like asking a question and then answering a lot. Ask a question, answer a lot. What we wrote down here for our training was we as coaches, we should be talking 20 to 30% of the time and the client should be talking 70 to 80. of the time. We should not be talking. They should be doing pretty much all of the talking. We're just guiding it in the right direction. So kind of just ask yourself these open-ended questions of what are these goals? Why do I wanna hit these goals? What would my life look like if I hit them? What would my life look like if I didn't hit them? And just start to question yourself on these things. And one question that we like a lot is on a scale of 1 to 10, How important is this goal to you right now? Whatever they say, we don't really care. We will then ask, and this is really giving some secrets away here, so you guys better be fucking liking this. Then we ask, let's say they say a 6. Cool. Why is it a 6 and not a 4? And what will most people do? They'll ask, well, why is it a 6 and not a 10? We'll say, well, why is it a 6 and not a 4? Because when you ask the question like that, what is that person gonna do? They're gonna say all the reasons why it's a higher number instead of a lower number. And so it gets them— that is the change talk. That is getting them to see why it's important to them. And so they answer that and then we say, cool, how confident are you that you can do this? And whatever they say, scale of 1 to 10, let's say they say a 5. Why'd you say a 5 and not a 2? They'll tell you all the reasons why they can do it. And this is how behavior change— this is how you start to change things. And so that's a really good question. Again, you can ask yourself or you can join coaching. We'll ask it for you. But then we also take this a step further, and I would encourage people to keep asking why until it hurts a little bit. And what I mean by that is Somebody tells us they wanna lose 20 pounds. Okay, why? Because that's just the surface. That's not the actuality. Well, I feel gross. I don't like looking at myself in photos. Okay, well, why does that matter? Like, you not liking what you look in photos, like, why does it even matter? Well, my daughter's wedding is coming in June. I don't wanna hide in every picture that I have. Okay, well then what would it mean to you to not hide In those photos anymore? Well, it would mean that I showed up as her mom, not the mom who let herself go. Like, you're just getting so much deeper into why the fuck you actually have this goal to begin with. And the deeper you can get with this, the more you will get to, I'm gonna change my behavior because this is super fucking important to me. So honestly, I could keep going because we have like a 30-page slide PDF presentation that we went through, but I'll just give you guys— I was gonna say something inappropriate, but I won't say that. I will give you guys just a little bit of that and you can take that and take it into your own journey. But like, this is the kind of stuff that we as coaches, like we coach people not just on here's your calories and macros. We really, really coach people on stuff like this. That is behavior change. So take this with you, you know, ask yourself these goals, figure out, is the goal actually yours? Are you doing it because you feel shamed into it? Are you doing it because you think you should? Or are you doing it because you want to do the goal? Is it intrinsic? Is it autonomous? And then ask yourself these questions. On a scale of 1 to 10, how important is it to you? Why is it a 6 and not a 4? How confident are you you can do this? Start to ask yourself these questions, and this will start to help you change your behavior. And then last but not least, I mean, again, this is legit, just like the first couple of slides that we went through here. This is what we do and we're, we're the fucking best at it. I'm just gonna say how it is. We're the fucking best at what we do when it comes to behavior change and helping people not just lose weight, but actually change their lives. So if you're interested, you can click the link in the show notes of the podcast and apply for our 8-week challenge, for our One-on-one coaching, but there's a little bit of sauce for you. So hopefully you guys can take that.

I love it. It's kind of like, it reminds me of the SMART goals, but this is different. Um, no, I mean, I feel like it's important for making things, like you said, stick in the long term where I feel like a lot of people are worried about making fast changes, like quick and just get it done like tomorrow instead of kind of how it can be You know, long-term. And I really liked what you said about the identity piece of it. So I feel like a lot of people don't think about it or, um, they're thinking about it very externally. And I remember, I think I've actually talked about it on this podcast before, my previous therapist, the one before I have now, she would always do that with me. She'd be like, okay, but why? But why? But why? But why? Just to kind of get to the root of, you know, whatever issue it was that I was talking to her about.

Yeah.

Um, it really helps like people understand their values, or why it is that something bothers them. So, rather than like a superficial, you know, reason.

Yeah, or what we've talked about on the pod before, what do people do all day, Soph? They're just fucking scrolling all day long. They never take time to think about this shit. So like, of course you don't have a very deep-rooted goal to help your behavior change. All you're fucking doing is scrolling on social media all fucking day. Or, You're working all day or you're taking care of your kids all day. So there's very little time for people to actually stop and run through this stuff, which is also why one of the reasons I think coaching can be so beneficial for people because it forces you to do that. If you're not gonna do that on your own, which most people won't, doing coaching or therapy or something like that will force you to do it.

Yeah. So question for you, do you feel like when people attach their goal, because I'm thinking, let's say we have a parent and they want to make the identity piece of like, I want to be a healthy parent so that I can give a good example to my kid. Do you feel like that's, uh, as good as saying I want to be healthy for me? Like when it's external and your goal is based on other people, do you feel like that's as good of a thing or is it better when people have it for themselves?

I have 2 thoughts on this. Number one, I think it depends on the person and where they are. So for example, I'll use my business goals. My business goals are no longer for me. Like, I'll just be like, I'm okay. Like, I'm good, right? Like, I've said this before, when I was, when I had, you know, 90 one-on-one clients and I was coaching people and like making money, whatever, whatever, like, I was fine. Like, I would've been fine. Like, that's okay. But it's not for me. I do all of this for everybody else on the team now and all the other people we can help impact. So I think it depends on the person. In the beginning it was for me, but as it evolved, it was no longer for me and now it's for everybody else. So it depends. But also number 2, and I'll just say this because I've done this long enough to know, I don't wanna say that's not true. Like when parents say that, But what I will say is usually, if you really get down to it, it's for themselves. Usually when you really, really get to the root of it, they may say like, yeah, like, I wanna be healthy for my kid and show them. But like, deep down, they're like, I just wanna be more confident in myself. Like, I'm so—

Right.

I'm so not confident. I don't like walking into a room because I don't feel confident in how I present myself. I don't like taking family pictures. I don't like putting clothes on. Like, whatever the thing is, oftentimes they say that because it sounds good and it makes them feel good, which, which— and by the way, they may actually want that. But like, deep, deep down, it is usually about something with them.

Wow.

Because when you better yourself, you're gonna be able to be a better parent. You can't be the best parent you can if you are not fully confident 100% in yourself, no matter what you think. So like, and people know that, so they want to be the best versions of themselves. But I think it's almost like more politically correct to say it's for my kids or something versus being like, I gotta get my shit together. But what I've seen, not everybody, but the majority of people, they actually do want it deep down for themselves.

Yeah. No, that makes sense. And like, it's more like, like you said, it's better to say, it sounds more selfless when you put it People don't like to see the—

to be selfish, which is so funny to me. Because like I said, you can't be the best parent you can, or the best leader, or the best boss, or the best employee if you don't take care of yourself first. Like, there's no other way around it.

Yeah.

Like, so many times I will tell our coaches, like, remember I was talking to Coach Jenn one day, and I was texting her about something, and then I was like, hey, have you fucking gone outside and got your fucking walks today yet? And she just kinda sends me the, like, eyes emoji, and I'm like, Go outside, go get your walks, like take your workouts, dude. Like, what are we doing here? Like, you need to take care of yourself so you can help these other people. So yeah, you have to be selfish to then be selfless.

Yeah, no, I agree. I also think like one more point I wanted to make, I feel like it's a really good way of helping other people reach their goals. 'Cause we can't, like, we can have someone in our family or one of our friends and we can see that they need to make a change, but We can't really force anyone unless they want to make the change for themselves, but this is a good way to kind of help them see it, I think.

Indirectly. There's only, there's only Vince Lombardi, the greatest coach ever, who said this. There's only one way to lead, and that is by example. It's the only way to lead.

That is correct. Cool, dude. Well, I like that. I like that. There you go. Great.

See, we got a mix of BS, we got a mix of value. Now we'll just get back to fucking around a little bit.

Yeah, there you go. Okay, cool. Um, so I was, I was telling you, Eric, why we wanted to do today's topics, but I went back to my social media account about a week ago and I've been scrolling a little bit this week, which I hadn't in a while. And then I realized that the internet is going crazy over the Sydney Sweeney ad, which is the second time because the same thing happened last year. I don't know if you heard about that one, Eric. Nope. Okay. Um, and then we saw the girl that pooped herself in the HYROX race and I thought, hey, this is appropriate to talk about with Eric. So, uh, so we'll, do you wanna start with the ad first?

Oh yeah, whatever you want.

Okay, so cool. I will share my screen. Eric has not seen the ad cuz he obviously lives under a rock, apparently.

Yeah, like I've heard people talk about it, but I actually haven't seen it.

You haven't seen the ad? Okay, it's fine. Let's play it. It's not that bad. Okay, hold on. So let me share my screen. Share with audio. Think you know sports? Prove it. No big is, just sports. So they wanted a show, just sports. You can trade this sport and this sport. How about this? This sport too. Or this? Sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports. You can't trade this. I just look at here. No betting on wars or deaths and no politics. Just you, your takes on sports.

Interesting, to say the least.

Um, very interesting. First of all, do you know what Novik is?

It is a sports betting company, correct?

Correct, correct. It is a sports betting company. Mm-hmm. And they do just sports. I think that's why she kept saying that. 'Cause I guess there's other betting apps that do other things.

Yeah, there's like Kalshi and Polymarket, where they do betting on just a bunch of shit. Yeah, like people were betting on when Drake's album was gonna release and shit.

Right.

Yeah.

Right.

Um, yeah, so there's a— I mean, there's a couple of things I'm gonna say here. Um, first and foremost... First and foremost, I'm gonna say this. I have seen people, I think especially women, That I have seen. Again, I haven't really seen a lot of it, I'll be honest. But like, I have seen women be very upset about this is what I have personally seen from it. So I'm gonna talk about it. I'm gonna, you know, I'll give you my 2 cents if you wanna fucking hear my 2 cents about it. Maybe you don't 'cause I'm not a woman, but I'm just gonna give my 2 cents. But let me just be very clear, like, you might not agree with me and that's okay. Like, if you wanna leave a negative comment or leave a negative review or do whatever you gotta do, like, that's That's okay. I choose to come on here and give my thoughts about whatever we're gonna talk about. But I'll just try to encourage you, I'm just gonna take this from a pure, my opinion. And there's plenty of things that you can disagree with me on and I can disagree with you on, and that's gonna be okay. I don't know, to me. So that's first. Second, I'm gonna also ask Sophie, I'm gonna ask you because you're a woman. I'm gonna ask you about your 2 cents on it. And before you answer, I just wanna say this. You guys can leave negative reviews and say mean things about me all you would like. I do not give a shit. What I'm not going to tolerate is anybody saying anything about Sophie and her opinion. That's not something that is gonna be OK. I'm a tough skin. I'm aware, but, like, it's not— that's— You are an incredibly intelligent, hardworking, and incredibly successful woman for your age. And so whatever your opinion is, is your opinion. So whether somebody agrees with it or disagrees with it, that does not take away from anything of the fact of how amazing of a person and a human being you are. And the fact that you're even courageous enough to even come on the podcast and talk about anything and give any of your opinions, whether how much you want to give or don't give, that's more than most people could ever say in their entire life. So I'm just going to make that very clear up front. Any negative feedback, you can go ahead and direct that towards me and say whatever you want about me, but you do not need to say anything about Sophie here. So I just wanna make that also abundantly clear because like I said, most people aren't even courageous enough to give their own opinion on anything, let alone you coming on a podcast and doing it. So yeah, so those are the 2 initial things. But really, I do wanna ask you first, like as a woman, 'cause correct me if I'm wrong, some of the stuff I've been seeing is like, It's degrading to women. It's setting women's sports back. It's, it's, you know, it's just a bunch of like sex, uh, like sex appeal, whatever you want to call it. Um, that's what I'd heard. Like, is that why people are upset about it from your, from your perspective? Or—

Well, when I first saw— by the way, thank you, I appreciate it— but when I first saw, um, the videos, I didn't— I hadn't seen the ad. And so when I saw the ad, I was, I guess, a little bit shocked because of what people were saying. But I guess what people are saying is that Women are not taken seriously in sports. And so people feel as though this ad is number one, sexualizing women and kind of putting us backwards in the sense of we're kind of giving the people another woman that's been sexualized in the theme of sports. Um, and then the, the argument is that I think for like women, and then the argument against is like, hey, this is not even a sports ad. This is just— It's a company's ad, but I guess there's a lot of people saying like, hey, this is the term sports is being paired with a woman that's naked. So kind of like putting us backwards in that sense. Um, I wouldn't say I feel very much to either side, to be honest. Like, I also don't think I know enough about this subject. I have 2 ideas. Like, number one, I would say yes, I feel like she's been sexualized. And I don't necessarily like that, um, because I feel like that's what happens with women all the time. And I feel like the idea is like, this ad is for men, right? And this is how men are. So I feel like this is like the whole point of the ad. And I feel like it created this whole like rage bait reaction. But then I feel like this is not a sports ad, so I don't really see The big argument for it. I feel like it's just an ad for sports betting company, and I feel like it did exactly what it wanted to do. It created a lot of attention. People are downloading the app now, they're talking about it. And so I'm like, yeah, of course this is marketing. And like, we know in social media you wanna do hooks and like you wanna rage bait people so that you get more attention. So I feel like they knew what they were doing.

Mm-hmm.

Um, so I don't know, that would be, like I said, I don't feel very strongly for or against. So I see both sides. When I saw the ad, I didn't see the huge issue with it, if that makes sense. But that's just my opinion.

Yeah, which is, again, you are absolutely entitled to that. Did you feel— did you personally feel like as a woman you were, I don't know, offended by it, or like it set women back, or any sort of those things? Or did you not really feel that specifically? I know you said Like she was being sexualized. But then it's like, well, to your point, maybe that's like, that's what she chose. That's— she knew she personally, as a person, she knew she was doing that, and that's what she chose to do. So like, is that— does that make, in your opinion, any difference there, or—

Yes and no, because I feel like nowadays women have taken more power using that as an advantage rather than a weakness. I feel like the point that people are making is true. Like, women are still behind men in many ways. Like, we're not taking it seriously. And I do feel it in the workplace. I feel like I have to work much harder working a corporate job when I'm the youngest, I'm Hispanic, and I'm a female. So like, I do think I'm not taken seriously and I've seen that. But I just don't, I don't make as much of a connection with the ad, but I feel like that's what people are saying, that like it pushes that idea. So yeah, I mean, I think that that's a problem and it is like In a way, this ad is promoting that idea, like sexualizing women through the eyes of men. I, I would say it kind of is, but it's not just Sydney. This is just how the world is, I feel. So I don't feel like it all should be like all of this hate that it's getting. I don't feel like that's necessarily the problem, if that makes sense.

Mm-hmm. So you're like, when you first saw that ad, like I literally just watched it live for the first time right now. When you saw that ad. Your first initial reaction wasn't like pure hatred and anger and this is setting us back. It was more like, okay, like kind of more or less indifferent.

It's— I thought it was a bit much. So I was like, like, it's a little like much. But no, I didn't. I didn't. Because like, okay, again, most people aren't thinking that. I just think because people are able to spread their ideas and their thoughts so quickly that it just spreads. And so I'm— when I first saw the ad, I already knew the background. It wasn't like you, but like, I didn't— had I seen the ad without all that, I probably wouldn't have thought of— I just would've thought like, oh, she's really nude.

No, I mean, I think, I think you make a point that is— so, I mean, I, I have some— I have, I have just general thoughts.

Yeah. What are your thoughts?

You know? Yeah. I mean, I had general thoughts, but like, I think number one, to, to just quickly piggyback off of your point, I think people will just latch on To ideas and it'll just like start to spread because it sounds like maybe something they want, whether they truly believe it or not, whether it was their first thought or not, people will take that and kind of run with it. So I do understand and kind of agree to a point with what you're saying. Now, I mean, I'll just give, again, I'll just give my 2 cents. Number one, I think when we talk about women's sports, actual sport, and like we did a whole podcast on athletes, So if you wanna go listen to that podcast, you can go listen to the podcast. I love sports. I don't like male sports or female sports. I do not care. Like, sports are awesome and being an athlete is awesome. Like, that's what I love. And I think there's so many amazing women athletes out there, you know, whether it be Caitlin Clark, whether it be, I don't know, Coco Gauff, or whether it be Serena Williams, or there's so, there's so many people you could go to. They're like, wow, these people are fucking savages. And that's something I respect is like the work ethic, the tenacity, the dedication. The passion, the commitment. Like, for me, and I think women's sports now are potentially higher than they've ever been before. And maybe that could just be my opinion. I don't have the actual viewership and data and research on that, but like, that's how I feel. I think women's sports right now are really awesome. And so, to your point, that ad was for a sports betting company. That is going to be 90%, 95% men. That's, that's who, that, that's what the company is and that's what they're targeting. And what do you think the average male thought when they saw that ad? At the very least, they thought, why is this girl naked and there's a fucking football in front of her? Like, what's, uh, what's, what's going on here? Like, it got attention. It got all you guys talking about it. It got eyeballs on it. And now they have this huge platform because of one ad.

They're like the number 6 most downloaded app too, I think.

So there you go. So the reality of this is the more that people are talking about it, and again, you can have your opinion, like I'm not saying this is right or wrong, this is just the reality. The more, like if there wasn't so many videos about it, I certainly would have fucking known nothing about it. You would have known nothing about it, but it wasn't the actual It was the reaction to the ad. And by the way, you don't think these people knew this? You don't think the sports betting company knew this was going to happen? Of course they knew. They spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the ad. Of course they knew it would happen. And so the more people talk about it, the more people— to use your word that you used, rage bait— the more people make videos about it, the more you're just bringing attention to it. What we sh— what I think would be better if, like you said, for example, maybe you didn't love the way it was presented. As opposed to talking about the ad, you would talk about the incredible women athletes in sports. You would go attend the games. You would go talk about your favorite sport, uh, your, your favorite female sport athlete. Like, that's what you would do because that would drive attention to that specific sport or that specific athlete. It wouldn't drive attention to the ad. And while I understand people are trying to give their 2 cents about how they feel about women in general, again, I understand that. But when you're tying it to the ad, you're just driving it more towards them and more towards their revenue and more towards their goal. So if you truly don't like it, I think people have to discern, like, where am I going to deploy? If you choose this is what you want to talk about and this is you know, a topic or something you feel emotional about, how am I gonna get my message across? And I don't, I don't think the best use of that is talking about the ad to bring more awareness to the ad. I think it's going a different direction and saying, I'm gonna go to women's sporting events. I'm gonna talk about female athletes in the Olympics. I'm gonna talk about my favorite athlete. I'm gonna, I'm gonna highlight this. I'm gonna talk about what I'm doing as an athlete. I'm gonna talk about my training as an athlete, right? Like, That, in my opinion, would be a— I wouldn't say better because better is subjective, but I would say a more effective strategy if the goal would be to advance women's sports in specific. Because otherwise you're just doing exactly what that sports betting company wants you to do, which by the way is even a different conversation of itself. Why is sports betting all of a sudden randomly fucking legal? Like, why? Because the fucking government can make money off of it. That's a whole different topic. And like, I think it's pretty fucking stupid. And sure, some people like to have fun and they wanna bet, fine. But like, I think there's more harm than good, but neither here nor less. That's the first part of it. And then the second part of it is just, to your point, the actual ad had nothing to do with— like, it had nothing to do— she's not an athlete.

She—

like, whatever you wanna say about her, she's not an athlete. So she— there's nothing to do about women's sports specifically in that ad. It's all about betting on sports that guys do. So I think when it comes to this is a setback for women's sports specific, I don't know that I agree with that. Or I guess I would say, in my opinion, it would be more of a setback on like women in general versus women's sports because it's like still the whole sexualization piece of it and so on and so forth. So again, I think it's just most people are focusing on the wrong thing and they should be focused on, if I really want to better women's sports and better the ideology of it, you hammer all the good stuff because the clickbaity stuff, the reaction. And by the way, I'm just going to say this right now. People are not going to like this. So again, you can, you cannot like me for it, and that's okay. A lot of people are responding to this knowing they're just going to get views. That's why— that's it. People are making content about this knowing it's gonna get them views and knowing it's gonna have people fighting in the comments section. And if you don't think that content creators who base their money off of how many views they get aren't going to intentionally make videos about stuff like this to ragebait people and get views, you're just wrong. I don't know what else to tell you. Like, you're just, you're just inaccurate. So Yeah, I think there's so much stuff there, but I also, and I think obviously you can attest to this, I only have women on my staff. I don't have any male. This is how it all ended up. I only have women on my team in my business that work with me. So to me, I literally just saw it for the first time and I was like, I don't know, this is pretty stupid, to be honest with you. But like, whatever, like, if it gets you to bet on sports, like, I guess. But like, to me, I'm like, I thought this was pretty fucking dumb, to be honest with you. Like, I thought it was a waste of my— it was 58 seconds long. I wish I would have had that 58 seconds back. Like, I thought it was pretty stupid. So, um, yeah, I mean, those are really my thoughts.

I think it's the concept behind it. That is what's sad is that I feel like women are already seen in many cases as objects and we're not taken seriously. I think that's cuz I was trying to, and I, I was trying to understand why are people making the connection to sports when this is not about sports? And I guess people are talking about how it's the most viewed ad right now and the fact that it has so much attention and that it's something that has the word sports on it multiple times with a woman that's half naked. And I guess that that's what people are saying.

Mm-hmm.

But again, I can see both sides.

She's more than, she's more than half naked.

Right. She's naked. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

So I can see both sides, to be honest with you. And as a woman, feel like, damn, like it's crazy to think that this is how it is, that we're trying to get attention from men. And like, of course we're using a woman that's naked. That's what I think it's a little bit sad about it. It's definitely a problem for, for women athletes. They're not taken seriously. Like it's not watched as much as men's. Um, sports, because they're not being paid as much. So I get that part. I also still think it's like a bit of a stretch in my opinion. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Stretch. I mean, and like you said, like what I was thinking is what I think is more interesting is that people should realize is that this is marketing. And so right now I think there's so much out there that companies are really fighting for attention. And so I think that's where we have to be careful and understand that everybody that posts online has some sort of agenda. And so we understand, like we've talked about it, like, oh, okay, I know certain titles will do better online. And that's what companies know too. So this is something that I feel like it's not just this ad. I mean, there's Sports Illustrated, there's other women that pose naked. Like it's not the first person that does it. She's not an athlete, of course. So it's different.

Mm-hmm.

But This happens. And so this is how companies market to women. Like, I feel like companies, and this is like a different side of things, I feel like the way that we are being marketed for is usually a woman in like a nice body. And we're sold this idea, oh, you want to look like this. So it's just something to think about that companies are marketing for a specific purpose and they're just trying to get us to pay attention.

Yep. Yeah, and I mean, I'll say one more thing and we can go on to the High Rock stuff. I would just also remind people, like, so you said they were making this ad to get the attention of men, right? That's what you said?

Yeah.

So I think— I mean, yeah, right. So from a, from a male perspective, I'll just give you my perspective. Like I told you, I saw that ad and I was like, this is fucking dumb. I'm like, what the fuck am I watching? Like, this is—

You're a healthy man.

Well, but so, but so, so my point— no, I'm serious. So my point, so it's like, yeah, what is the, what is the quality or the level of man, in my opinion, maybe boy, what would be the quality of that person who's gonna look at that ad and say, oh, I'm gonna go use this, uh, this sports betting app now because I saw Sydney Sweeney naked? Like, I don't know, bro. Like, you're kind of a fucking loser, if I'm being honest with you. Like—

I think the point is to get attention, and like, of course a naked body is gonna get the attention.

Right, but you're getting attention from men to download the app to use your sports betting app. Like, women are not gonna see that and be like, oh, I'm gonna go sports bet now. Like, it's only men.

Exactly.

But like, what quality of man is going— like, I don't know. Like, to— like, and, and maybe I'm off on this, maybe it's just me, I don't know. But like, I— again, I saw that and I'm like, What the f— like, I'm not gonna go use your sports betting app now because of this ad. Now, I will say, I didn't know that the company existed before this. And so if at some point I wanna dabble in sports betting, I don't know, maybe I'll use them, maybe I won't. I don't— I've never bet in my entire life on anything, so I highly doubt it's gonna happen. But, you know, I at least know of the company. But like, I think to— to the quality of a human, to the quality of a man specifically. Again, this is from my perspective as a male. I looked at that and I was like, who is gonna go just download the app and start sports betting because they saw Sydney Sweeney naked? Like, I don't— like, what are we doing? Like, is this— I don't know, is this really what the fuck we're doing? Like, so I don't know.

Yeah.

That's the last piece I'll say on it. But But again, nonetheless, it's gotten people to talk about it.

So. Yeah. Well, again, that's like perspective, right? Like someone can come back in the comments and say, well, I look at it this way. And I can be like, okay, fair play. I didn't think of that. Right. 'Cause like we all have our own brains of ways of thinking, but yeah.

Well, not only our own brains, but also our own experiences. Like you have, I haven't had the experiences that you've had as a woman in the work field who's Hispanic, who didn't speak the language and vice versa. You haven't had my experiences. We have different perspectives because of that, but that's what makes this so beautiful in my opinion. Like you were allowed to have those opinions, but, um, yeah, so, you know.

Dude, it's also like, I don't know, like I just think like people put all of these ideas into something and maybe quite frankly the company maybe wasn't thinking about all that, but you know, I mean, who knows? Maybe. Who knows? Cool. Well, moving on. To high rocks. I don't have a video to share. That'd be kind of gross, but you know what happened. You saw the videos. It's the girl in Germany. What's her name? I can't remember her name. I thought I wrote it down, but this girl is a record-setting high rocks legend.

Mm-hmm.

Um, and I guess she pooped her pants and she kept going after the fact, and I think she won. As well, actually. You saw the videos, right? Well, what are your thoughts on that?

Um, well, I would say first, I saw she made a post today. I don't, I don't follow her or anything. Yeah, she made a post today and was like, I'm sorry, I'm gonna forfeit the win, I'm gonna forfeit the points, and all this stuff. Which, so my opinion, so he, I have a couple different opinions on this, which is as an athlete, if that happened, like if that happened to me, I would stop the race. Like, what are we talking about? Like, it's not even like, not even a question. I'm stopping. I'm, I, I can do a race again at some point. It's done. Like, not the answer is no, I'm not going to continue on. And I think as much as an athlete is competitive and they want to win, I am also of the belief, much like in business, there is ethical business and unethical business. A lot of people don't care about how they make their money, sports betting as an example.

Yeah.

But like, they don't give a fuck how they make their money. But like, there's ethical business where you want to do the right thing. I try to practice ethical business. On top of that, I think there's competitiveness and want to win, and then there's something called sportsmanship. Like if I was a competitor at that race, I would not want the other people that are around me to have to do anything experiencing any of that from a pure sportsmanship perspective. So I would stop. And even if I wanted to win, I would stop. It's like in, in basketball or football, if you have a lot of blood, like you get a— you have blood on you, you got to stop the game. You got to come out of the game. They're not just going to let you keep walking around putting blood on everybody. And if you have a lot of blood in your jersey, they make you swap jerseys even. So like, how is this any different? Like, how did this— And this is where I think Maybe for her, she like should have stopped. But then also the HYROX coaches and the people running it, you need to have a level of like, no, this is a— this is not okay. Like there needs to be rules and guidelines because one of the arguments I saw was like, well, you're an athlete and you're in competition. This is your entire life and it's your sport and you got to keep going. And, and it's like, okay, well, no, there's limits. But then number 2, Fine. If that's the case, the people in charge, the adults in the room, need to step in and stop that. So, I mean, I think those are all the initial thoughts that I had, which is like, that should have never— it shouldn't have happened. Like, it should not have happened. And I don't know. I think I saw something where like the HiRox people, like at first they were like, anybody who talks bad about her, we're going to ban you. And then like a day later they were like, we're really sorry, this shouldn't have happened. And so like, I just— again, I think it goes back to like, Like, people just say, like, they just kind of latch onto an idea, and this is like, oh, well, I think this is okay. It's like, take some time to either upfront, you gotta assess these things, but then also, like, assess the situation and do what you think is the right thing to do, which we don't always get right. And myself included, I'm not perfect. I don't get everything right all the time. But I thought this was pretty clear. Like, what are we doing? You know? Like, I mean, I don't know. And how did nobody else?

Right.

And I don't know who was, you know, obviously there or not there, but like, How did nobody else be like, yo, I'm not doing burpees after, you know, there's poop on the ground. Like, I'm not doing that. Like, what the fuck? Like, this is very unsanitary and unhealthy. What are we like? What are we talking about here? So yeah, man, like, that's, I don't know. That's my thoughts.

Yeah, no, I mean, I, I am there with you. I feel like there's this concept with athletes of Or people in sports that just wanna push and push and push and like show a lot of grit. And like, I'm sure that that's what was happening with her, that she just wanted to keep going. But I mean, that obviously like when it impacts other people, unsanitary. And I think I saw that High Rocks had done that and then a lot of doctors were coming forward and talking about it and that's when they decided that, oh, okay. Like, you know, after obviously, and that's what I'm saying, like it's like the public response and You know, yeah, that's just how, like, I guess in the age of the internet it is. But in this case, I think it's a good thing actually. Um, no, I would be appalled if I had to do a burpee in there or if I had to do a run. Oh, I wouldn't do that. It's crazy.

I wouldn't do that.

But okay. What I was gonna talk about too is it's interesting, right? Because I'm like, how did this happen? But I guess like sometimes when you're doing really hardcore, like cardio, yeah, things like that can happen, right? Like you can puke and—

Yeah. Yeah.

Things like that. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, there's like, I, again, I've coached probably 70, 80% women over the course of my career. And I'll never forget, I was like, I was like 20 years old. There was this woman, she was doing a deadlift. She was very, very strong. And she was doing a deadlift and she, it was like, we were supposed to do 5 reps or something. She did like 3 reps and she stopped. And I was like, what, what the fuck? Like, what the fuck are we doing? You gotta keep going. And she goes, I just peed myself. And I was like, what? What? I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? And she's like, yeah, just peed myself. I'll be back. And so she had had like 6 kids at this point. And pelvic floor, when you're pushing really hard on movements like that, that happens sometimes, so I learned. And so, yeah, that Yeah, throwing up. Uh, you know, I know people too who they've done some heavy squats or deadlifts and they've shit themselves. Like, these things happen. I think it's rare, but like, it happens. But they don't keep working out. Like, they stop, they go take care of it, and then they come back. So yeah, but yeah, and that's like the point of, hey, if you really want to finish this race, that's cool and all, but like, they have things in HYROX where you can like go to the bathroom, and I think you might even be able to like take your, uh, the, the strap off and give give it to somebody and come back out and take it or something like that. So, like, hey, dude, just accept the fact that you're not gonna hit the world record this time and go try again. But, like, it's not like there's only one HYROX race a year. There's fucking— there's a lot of HYROX races throughout the year. So do a different one, homie. Like, it's not, you know? So I don't know.

God.

And again, the argument of, like, oh, well, she's an athlete and they wanna push themselves, fine. But again, the adults in the room need to step in and say, no, like, we're not doing this. Like, what are we—

We can't be at the expense of other people.

Absolutely not. Yeah, yeah, like absolutely.

Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. Also, like, not even— it's not about shaming her. It's like, just like go to the bathroom, clean yourself, and come back. Like, it's okay.

I mean, I don't know if any— I mean, in like the post that she made today was basically apologizing and said she's gonna forfeit the points and all this stuff. And, and there are a lot of people who are like in the comments who are like, that's too late, so on and so forth. And I, I don't know, for me, I'm like Number one, these people who are doing this, you're fucking probably 100 pounds overweight and fucking just eating chips and bonbons in your fucking parents' basement. So like, you're just trolling commenting, which is just stupid. So I have less respect for those people. But even just somebody who like, whether it's genuine or not, if she's like owning up to it and apologizing for it, Right. What else do you want her to do? Like, it already happened. Like, what the fuck else do you want her to do? Like, she forfeited the points, she forfeited the win, she apologized. Again, even if it's not genuine, what else do you want her— there's nothing else she could do.

Yeah.

So this is also why, you say the age of the internet, somebody's going to listen to this and they've probably already left by now if they don't like my opinion on whatever it has been thus far. But it's like the age of the internet, people are going to think about you what they want, but you have to be confident in yourself to either Number one, just stand true to your morals and your values and your beliefs. And then number two, knowing you're not going to be perfect and you'll make mistakes and you can address those mistakes and own up to it. We were on a meeting recently with our team and there was something that I had to own up to that I was not doing a good job of. And I told every single person to their face, I was like, this is 100% my fault. I am owning up to it. I fucked it up. There's no other way around it. Like, it is my fault. But like, that's what happens. None of us are perfect, man. So I just think for this girl, like, there's no reason to shame her or like, you know, talk negatively about this person. Like, she did what she thought was right, I guess, in the moment. And, you know, she probably dedicates her whole life to training for it. And maybe she thought it wasn't that bad. I have no clue. But no, it wasn't right. No, in my opinion, somebody should have stopped But she made an apology and like, it is what it is now. So, right, I don't know.

Yep. No, I, I agree with you. It's all that can be done. And to be fair, she wasn't stopped either. So like, that's more on the High Rocks, and it probably has never happened. So there you go, right? It's like a first for everything. So there you go, now that's a rule.

Yeah, well, like when, when I was doing High Rocks, um, when I think it was when women's double— yeah, no, when Tara was going She was doing burpees. Her and Linda were doing burpees, and, um, they stopped. And I was like, what are we doing?

Like, go!

What the fuck is going on? And they were like, somebody threw up on the fucking mat. So like, they had to— that area was like, you couldn't do burpees there because somebody was there like stopping it. And I was like, oh, okay. So like, but in a situation like that, the people stopped it and they didn't just let them keep going through it. So that's what should have happened here as well. And yeah, yeah, they— again, if they were— this is hard. I mean, it's hard to say because again, I am not perfect. Nobody's perfect. I mean, nobody.

Of course.

But of course, Hi-Rox should have been like, this is not her fault. This is my fault. This is our fault. We are the ones who run this. We are the ones who set the rules and the standards. We are the ones overseeing it. This is our fault. That's nothing to do with that girl. Like, she was doing what she was allowed to do, what she thought to do. But like, we should have been the adults in the room to stop it. So, yeah.

I agree, dude. I agree. Cool. This was fun.

Yeah. I mean, listen, like I said, some people aren't gonna like it. Some people are gonna disagree. Some people are really gonna like it and they'll agree. And like, you know what? Like, it's, it is what it is, man. Like, these are my thoughts. These are my opinions. These are Sophie's thoughts, opinions from our perspective, right? And more conversations and more life experience and all these things will potentially alter those, you know, opinions. But this is just what we think and where we're at. And, you know, I, if nothing else, hopefully you can respect the fact that we both just gave our opinions and gave what we thought and this is what we think. So, you know, right, wrong, or indifferent in your eyes. Most people never have the courage to say anything, let alone their own true beliefs and opinions.

Proud of us.

So if we can do a fist bump through the, uh, through the screen here.

There you go. Yeah, love it, dude. Cool. Well, that is it for today's pod.

Yep. Cool, guys. Well, hope you enjoyed. Uh, this is a little bit— I know it was a little bit of a different podcast, but I hope you did enjoy the banter back and forth. Um, I don't know that, you know, we're gonna become a news outlet where we react to stuff, but, uh, maybe every now and then. We are done. Yeah, yeah. Maybe every now and then we'll do some, uh, Some stuff like that. But yeah, guys, cool. And like I said, going back to the value-added stuff in the pod today, if you are interested in getting some help with your fat loss journey and you'd like to work with myself and our team, you can click the link in the show notes of the podcast below to learn more about our 8-week fat loss challenge, or just Google Eric Roberts Fitness 8-week challenge. Thank you guys for listening, and we'll chat soon.